I would love to see you do a video with Chris Liepe! Y'all have a VERY similar approach to teaching, i.e. focusing on feel rather than terminology or anatomy. Great videos!
You're a really good teacher seriously. I'm almost 40 and have taken many lessons. You have the countenance and confidence. I would consider teaching as a profession! Thanks and have a good one.
The least I expected was this young dude pointing me in the right direction! Can't believe I actually made the sound after years, what years, decades of trying! :-)
The spongebob thing, the vomit sound, those are the tricks that I love, tricks that obviously don't get you to the finish line but it gives you an a idea of what the teacher is trying to tell you, you are really good at teaching. And although I'm not planning on becoming a metal singer I still love singing and this was really a interesting thing to learn get to know more of my voice and what I can do with it. Love from Argentina my man, keep up the good work
i usually dont comment, but i have been practicing my vocal skills for a while and gotta say that you served the most unproffesional yet cleanest lesson about how to accomplish fry scream. i draw a numerical axis which starts from fry sound -lowest- and ends with falsetto -the highest- containing chest sound somewhere between. inserted the mixed voice between chest and falsetto. then performed the fry and pushed it up till i hit the mixed voice. thanks!
Also I love how you use mixed voice to access your fry screams, I don't think I've seen anyone do it that way. You should do a full video on mixed voice.
Really good tutorial, you're resisting using your sinus passage it sounds like, you should always feel your singing in your sinuses, it should feel full, basically humming the notes through your sinuses while you sing
Man, you really gave me a lot to think about. Good stuff. I've been trying to get out of the whisper scream spot for a while now. I really think this is gonna help. Thanks!
Big props, bud! Watched lots of tutorials but could only get a whisper. Watched this and learned how to scream pretty much how I wanted to by the end of the video! ❤
Ill have you know, i cannot sing and i can hardly project.. but im tryna learn to fry scream, Ive been trying to do it through chest voice and my voice just doesnt produce it. So I tried it with my head voice takin onboard what you said about head and fry mix together well, after some time of figuring out how it feels I actually managed to get it and have it sound good! You've actually taught me an easier way to doing it without killing my throat! cheers
Great job. I have issues with the whisper scream :/ mostly because I build it up to much in my head. You're very helpful thank you so much for posting.
If you combine chest voice and fry, you'll get a nice subharmonic voice, one octave below the chest voice your singing. It's also called Strohbass. (Didn't watch the whole video yet in case you covered it somewhere)
@@micahbannister1287 Damn, it's really a rabit hole! Look up "subharmonics". Some people are even able to hit second and third subharmonics using that technique
@@micahbannister1287 Appreciate it! As you said, it's really hard to combine chest voice and fry, but there is a really tight sweet spot where it mixes together... I can hit the first subharmonic pretty easily by now, but never got the second one yet 😂 Also, in case you didn't know about that either, another great bass technique is called throat singing... Doesn't sound as natural as subharmonics, but still sounds cool in beatboxing (throat bass)
falsetto: high pitch mickey mouse MIX: middle of falsetto & chest chest voice: normal voice you talk in MIX: middle of fry & chest fry: lowest voice register (ahh) *rumble noise* combine falsetto and fry using both mix
As a vocalist back in the day (mid 90s, so you can imagine the type of music we were making) I can vouch for everything you're saying here. Sadly, extreme pain was my teacher ... I'd love to see your take on the break in 7 words by deftones. We used to play that song as the last thing we played just because there was NO WAY I could even talk after that one. The break is not fry. If anything it's "real screaming" with inwards screaming on the AAAAAAAAPE portion of the scream. Anyway, I'd love to watch a video of you trying that one... Good video 👍
As someone who still struggles to project the fry screaming this is mainly like what my fiance (who can fry scream pretty good) tries to explain to me but he can't find the right words. 😂 I mean I understand the mechanics but still quite not there yet. *Sigh* Anyway, your voice is awesome and for not being a teacher you explained it very well.
Me too man haha. Don't get discouraged though, and remember that Chester was also a tenor voice and had lots of singing going on with the screaming. If you have a different voice your scream may be a little different, and that's okay! Embrace your sound first and then once you have it down try to scream like Chester. For now just try to scream like you. Also singing helps so much, make sure that the notes you're screaming are attainable in your singing voice too. Always aim for a note, even if it's a "voiceless" scream. You got this!
@@DarthNVious I'm not entirely sure man. I will say that his scream is for the most part very voiced, I would practice experimenting with the amount of grit you put into the sound; just try the note that he is singing for whatever scream you're practicing. Hit that note over and over again. Do it in chest, mix, falsetto, maybe even your vocal break. And then add in voiceless and voiced fry distortion in all different amounts. If you're really comfortable with manipulating one note, I'd say that's your best bet for finding the right combo of singing and distortion to match Chester. Definitely not a quick and easy task, but it's the best I got :/ Also, the guy from Tallah (Justin) has some videos under the name Hungry Lights. He's not very technical in how he explains things, but he goes over a lot of interesting things that help shape the screams, and he can get pretty close to Chester's style when he wants to, so that might help too!
@@micahbannister1287 I see. Thanks so much for this information. I checked his video on how to prevent vocal damage, and it appears that much of the high quality screams we even try to emulate from artists are actually results of audio processing; and thus should not be set as a realistic goal in the first place (as it is pretty much unnatural and undoable). I won't bother you about this query anymore, but really thanks so much again for your help. The amount of effort you put into that wall text (which I did read all of them) indicates how much selfless passion you have for helping other people. You are an amazingly good person. Keep being you.
I think Chester used a lot of compression (this keeps less air on the throat and keep it from drying out) and vocal fry. Especially high notes mixed with screams. Chris liepe has a video on it
@@skillZ141 I don't see why not. mbannister@unm.edu is my school email. You can send me a link for an unlisted video and I'll take a listen. Make sure to show the buildup and thought process, not just the sound
Alright man, Imma record some takes and send you, been a year since this comment, but never too late I ques got some new high techniques I worked on more for black metal.@@micahbannister1287
really glad you did this video. alot of youtube content on the matter but this was better explain. you might be a student but you know how to comunite this stuff well. I am wondering you could the same to achive the rasp similar to kaleo's vocalist.
Thanks! Might be a bit before I can tackle it, that's a lot to go over. But I will make one on singing with grit once I feel like I have the information pared down better!
I feel like this is more voice with distorion than exclusively fry scream.. my fry screams are loud and supported but there is no voice in it at all. I can add voice and balance it, but then it isnt just fry scream anymore.
That's probably a reasonable assessment. There are a lot of sounds that people can make and I kinda squeeze them into the 3 categories of fry, false chord, and clean singing. But where there's overlap it's kinda hard to label. Is it distorted clean or tonal fry? I definitely wouldn't say you're wrong either way you choose to label it. This is just to get you away from the excessively quiet fry based sounds. If you already have it down and this isn't helpful to you, I totally get it.
@@micahbannister1287 No, its a good video for sure. Its different from how I learned, and it helps to show a different approach than most other videos on youtube, and I think thats really valuable to those learning and trying different methods. While the same rhetoric that almost every other tutorial uses might not work for an individual, your approach could really help those who need to conceptualize it in a different way. I also think that hearing unshaped vocals with no effects or musical context is really important to beginners, since trying to sound like your favourite metal album instead of your own voice and its mechanics can be harmful and frustrating. Keep up the good work!
@@tylerhilton4295 Thank you, that's super kind! I totally agree about the no effects or music thing. Unmixed vocals are gonna sound different than the ones on an album, and I wish more people took that into account
Keep in mind, some guys just can't do it. Every voice is different. I've been trying it for 40 years and still can't do it. I can do a little bit of fry silently but going louder mutes the fry completely. I am also unable to pronounce a rolling "R". I wonder, if these two things are related.
I also cannot roll my "R". It should always be possible to do a fry scream in theory. However if it's giving you insane amounts of trouble, you can pretty much use false chord for everything
I recently started screaming in a band and I get the proper sound on the voice, but after that my voice hurts and I get aphonic for some time… I’ve been doing that for quite some time but still cant get over the pain… Any ideas for that?
Oh man, that could be a whole lot of things. Examine any issues with your singing voice first, because the scream should come out of that. Does singing in a live setting for the same amount of time also hurt?
I can't guarantee that this will fix it, but here are some common problems. 1. Your tongue might be in the way. Try doing it very relaxed with your tongue stuck out or in the "gutteral" position 2. If you're doing mixed voice you don't need to push any harder, the scream should feel like singing. Imagine the fry as a filter that your mixed voice is going through. It shouldn't be louder than your mixed voice, just distorted. 3. If none of those help, focus on the "opera singer" thing. Just focus on a really powerful falsetto and try to blend the fry in. (Power will come from the singing part of your voice, not by doing fry distortion harder) 4. Try to pinpoint exactly when you lose the fry and practice that note a lot. Experiment with less air until the fry comes in, even if it reduces volume. Hope this helps! If not, there are videos by other people that were really helpful to me that I can point you to
Forgive my criticism, and great tutorial overall, but you didn’t mention anything about compression, and pushing air through a controlled closure of the throat. I think for you, since you have this distortion method, you can add the compression and get the full scream, because I think you’re still not at what it should be. I.E. take that distortion you have, and then practice closure of the throat and then pushing air through the closure but with that distortion rather than just a standard speaking note and you will see what I’m talking about
No, I think you're 100% correct dude. It's just that I am still working with compression, and I feel like if I try to explain it right now I am probably going to get a good bit wrong. Also, this video is just for getting rid of the whisper scream, there's definitely a lot more to learn! Thanks for the criticism, I definitely could have at least explained that there is more to it.
You’re missing the flageolet tone above head voice and falsetto. It sounds like whistle tone but you can actually connect it above your head voice unlike whistle tone which is disconnected
Hey dude, I have a couple video of false chords up. The first one is to get a gentler breath distortion and start visualizing it like throat singing, and the second is to go from breath distortion to pure muscular control. (Which fixes the problem of projecting too much) Hope they help!
Try abandoning "screaming" for a while and just sing medium high songs (for your range) with the grit that you've obtained. Focus on it being comfortable over sounding good, and once you can do that at will without discomfort try blending more ideas
Hmm. If you send me a video of you trying I can try to give some more accurate feedback, but the most common problem would be pushing too hard. Let it be a TV static kind of sound, and feel it more in your mouth. Also try going from fry to falsetto and from falsetto to fry, moving the starting point can help
Hmm. Make sure that you're visualizing the fry sound more in your mouth and less in your throat. Treat it like a filter that the mixed voice note has to go through
Someone else asked that as well. I'm not at a point quite yet where I feel able to teach it. But once I have a better understanding of a few things I definitely will. For screaming purposes, don't worry too much if it's mixed voice or not; a nice loud and thick falsetto will be enough
Sorry this is a year late! How do you normally produce the scream? If you normally start with fry and add mix voice, try the opposite and start with the mix voice. That's my preferred way to do it. Keep the intensity as low as possible but experiment with how open your throat is. If you go back and forth between wider and narrower shapes while in mix, you should find a loud rasp. (Don't stop there, obviously, but it should get you somewhere
Well thank u so much for the reply, I ha e watched your videos and heard that I need to study maybe my actual voice. If I didn't hear wrong. I will watch again. I just want to learn to scream as loud as I can yell. Or however u put that. My other options when I get to lyrics for a song I'm going to just scream as loud as I can and then when my voice hurts stop and finish the next day LOL probably not a good way to go
@@onewaylovethyneighbor9159 if you just care about volume and power, I would recommend false chord screaming instead of fry, as it is much louder. There is still technique to it though, you definitely don't want to wreck your throat. Fry screaming can be about as loud as belting most of the time, but it's not a volume focused scream and it uses your vocal chords much more
Actually the opposite! I was so scared of being loud because I was told it was a quiet scream, that I basically had everything but projection down for years. After that it's about 3 days of discomfort everytime I go to relearn it, and then I'm solid
It's a pretty specific video, it might not be the best holistic guide for you if you're just starting or not dealing with this problem. There's lots of other people who make really good videos on fry screaming, I can send you some links if you'd like
don't use vocal fry, it won't project past a whisper. learn khoomei instead, it will help you learn the breath control and the placement of the actual scream. I don't understand why everyone says vocal fry is involved with fry screaming because its not and its dangerous when people try to project it.
When I try to do fry screams, I end up with a crazy headache and almost fainting when I try to do a longer scream. Is this something to do with the head voice stuff?
Probably just too much pushing in general as well. If you don't get the headaches when doing the falsetto, you're probably accidentally pushing harder when you add the fry. Long screams are always going to be hard on air, definitely take some time to build up to it
