90whp and 80ftlbs with a manifold swap? How much additional tuning was done after the manifolds were swapped? I feel like a bit more transparency in the tuning process after installation would give some more insight. I have these manifolds on my Gen1 with Powermax Stage 1s and didn't gain anywhere near that power. I must have faulty ones.
Full details are found in the write up here: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test Keep in mind the gen 2 power max are much bigger turbos than gen 1 power max
@FullRaceTurbo That makes more sense. The Gen2 Powermax has the potential to flow so much more air. Do you have a favorite Gen1 exhaust? Right now I have a res delete 3" SS SPD pipe welded to stock muffler.
@FullRaceTurbo I will definitely share it and help get it out there. This type of content def helps the community grow and also helps get people to go beyond tune only to push the platform to the next level. Id love to see these mirroring the B58 platform of growth and push past where we are right now to more turbo options to 4 digit hp builds.
@talarcoj @lifebehindthewheelnelson577 YES - the 2018+ Expedition and Navigator share the same engine bay as the 2017-2020 Raptor and F150. The installation procedure and parts are identical, no changes.
Thanks for the link to the write up. Definitely the information I was looking for to pull the trigger on this product. More power is great but if it's at the expense of low end torque, it's not good for a street driven vehicle that will not be used for bragging rights at drag strips. Real world drivability with good street manners and usable power and durability is what I'm looking for.
thanks for noticing! The in-truck sound is much more refined with these manifolds - the OEM manifolds have this weird rasp-sound around 3000-3200rpm. like a harsh vibrating resonance that completely disappeared with the Formline turbo manifolds
Those gains are not with the same tune. I get that those turbos were likely starved for flow already but those results are literally impossible without changing the calibration for increased fuel to compensate for the increased airflow.
@FullRaceTurbo Hello! You are correct, and the truck is definitely tuned, we did not hide that fact. What we are showing is a baseline vs what the manifolds allow then we compared it to a less heat-soaked run. For sure formline manifolds allow changes in the tuning side. If you read the detailed article on our website you can see there is a baseline, what the manifold allowed us to and then cooler conditions less heatsoaked run with improved engine operating conditions. Thank you for your feedback
Here's the full write up: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test If you have any questions just let us know - we're happy to help clarify anything!
Log manifolds are TERRIBLY inefficient. A good manifold like this will really make that turbo sing. This power gain is entirely believable with a good tune.
@@FullRaceTurbo I had full race manifolds power max turbos stainless works y pipe to a 3 inch cat back. K&Nintake. Nobody in Minnesota wanted to tune it. I used the truck to haul cars for my dealership. First it didn’t like the electric gate. From turbosmart so had to switch to there other one. Then when ever it would make 17psi it would start cutting power.
@@FullRaceTurbo I’m pretty sure I have data logs for the truck still if you guys want them from my build. I ended up selling the truck. It was becoming a pain.
@@minnesotawaterneckmiller5430 the tuning side of these trucks has evolved alot the last couple of years, and the mechanical work is fairly straight forward and well understood at this point. Things have gotten much better for enthusiasts
What if you have a stock truck and you need to replace the factory manifolds but don't plan to do any tuning? Can you swap these out without changing the tune?
Yes, with the stock tune these can be swapped in just like any other part. The engine computer does not allow any power adders to increase output without a tune.
Hello and thank you for your feedback! You are 100% correct, the truck is most definitely tuned! We could have performed a stock tune run, but it would output stock HP. If you find value in knowing what a stock power level run would look like in comparison please let us know and we will keep this in mind for the next dyno session! Keep in mind all Ford engines require tuning to gain any power above stock (no matter what parts are bolted on the engine). If you improve breathing without tuning, the stock tune will maintain stock power levels by closing throttle and opening waste gates.
Holy Fawk. If this was true these manifolds would yield the biggest gains for the ecoboost platform beside tuning. I would have figure 10-15 hp 25-30tq on 91 octane. The gains posted here feels like E85 and revised tuning was added to the mix plus the full race manifolds.
If you look at the oem ecoboost manifolds it makes a lot of sense. Whether ecoboost 3.5 or 2.0 they are all designed for earliest possible spool and restrictive at increased power levels. Keep in mind we’re on stock fuel system and pretty much maxed on gasoline. Have a plan in place for bigger fuel system and a lot more boost
@@tyranicalteabagger for the 700+ level that is correct and we are building another truck for that power target (motor, trans, fuel, etc). This orange truck in the video here is a 100% stock long block with OEM fuel pumps / injectors / internals - all bolt ons! full details in the writeup here: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test
