@@maxmalten7749 Because back then King Robert didn't even care. If he'd lived any longer and a Lannister/Baratheon conflict would have broken out, the Lannisters would have demanded their gold back. Robb was financed by Tywin.
It's a running joke lol no one knows how to pronounce his name, even the head maester at the citadel pronounced the name differently than these two did. Tho I personally think Bronn was the one who pronounced it correctly
This is the part of Bronn that appealed to me the most: that of the knowledgable and pragmatic sellsword who’s survived to his age for a reason instead of the overreaching castle-fixated child I saw more of in later seasons.
@Look How They Massacred My RU-vid Absolutely a logical arc for his character, years of dealing with the Lannisters and not seeing much for it before probably the greatest war to reach the seven kingdoms since Robert's Rebellion. He just started realizing that he needs to finally settle down since his fighting and surviving days are over.
@@spacepopeXIV Yet for some reason, they all give him the position of master of coin to a guy who probably does not even know how to properly read two words and has been given a whole kingdom of the Six Kingdoms for himself (NOTE: He is not dumb either, but he would have been better as Master of War or something of the sorts, as well as giving a deposed reach lord's castle and lands BUT NOT THE WHOLE REACH, in that way, he could he comptent, and with a much more satisfying and logical ending for a mercenary who does not even have a last name)
@@fildariusv7045 There is a theory he is a Reyne or Tarbeck survivor hence why he has no last name he *gives*. In fact while in the ASoIAF he may have become a bard who is to say Bronn wasn't a Tarbeck heir who survived the well. After all he has a great set of lungs on him to rescue Jamie and he doesn't like the song Rains of Castamere any more than Oberyn did. Playing long game. Something has always felt off about Bronn being a simple sellsword. Also how he found his way to Lannister camp. Along with the reading here. Remember Arya and Tywin conversation. A sellsword doesn't need to read many books or read at all. Just fight. Yet Bronn displays a lot more than just street smarts on occasion and his obsession with castles might tie in to what was lost. The rebellion was only 29 years before the wedding of Joffrey so age wise could work also. There is his swift rebuttal when Tyrion says Bronn son of and he says "you wouldn't know him" again a simple sellsword probably knows Tyrion won't know him but would still say the name. Just ....a bit like, if I can bring a separate work in as example, Teddy from Equaliser says about Robert McCall. There is something wrong about him. I don't buy he is a mere sellsword. Being aware of what happens in sieges would tie in with the siege of Tarbeck ancestral home for example.
The entire point of the character was to show how the formal, ministerial nature of warfare was ignorant and impersonal. Bronn as book would have spat on political appointment.
@@Leisurelee53 Hell, in the books he manages to marry Lady Stokeworth from the Crownlands and after... "Helping" his wife to be the only proper heir, he becomes Lord Stokeworth, a true and proper lord with his own personal army of mercenaries
Johny Reyes. I like Bronn but I don’t really see the purpose of that scene. It was nice having Bronn, but I don’t see where it goes given the current rushed plot :/
@@baccaismemebob2603 No, they were thieves but recruited as informants in exchange for being spared imprisonment. Just like the police functions today.
oh wait, is that the same tyrion that is fine with "thieves" being murdered" as the tyrion giving lectures about how Daennerys is mad because she crucified slavers that did the same thing to children? I loved this show back when it was smart and the characters weren't hypocrites.
@@matokrajniak1901 I know right? same Tyrion that think Dany should be killed is the same that was ready to free his sister out of the kings landing after all the horrible things she has done. smh
Bronn: "we can throw books at his men" Varys: "we don't have that many books" Bronn: "we don't have that many men either" I like how varys responds to bronn's sarcasm with even more sarcasm, and bronn with even more more sarcasm
Bronn was an extremely intelligent person. If his life went in a completely different direction as a kid and he chose to study at the citadel, he would be wiser and more cunning that Varys for sure. One of my favourite characters.
"We could throw books at his men!" "We don't have that many books." "We don't have that many men either." *GODDAMNIT WHERE DID THIS DIALOGUE GO IN SEASON 8?*
Felice Graziano then why did you say that if you haven't read the books? Lol But if you'd like to know from someone who has read the books, yeah they do for the most part. I don't think talking in the first in full sentences like Shakespearian dialogue would capture the attention of millions of viewers, so it's an understandable choice. Besides *a lot* of the dialogue from season 1-4 was taken right out from the books, like word for word... another reason why the earlier seasons are so good
I'd say he's probably smartest man In show. From catelynn starks hired help, escorting Tyrion, trial by combat in Vale, hill tribes, battle of the black water, helping jaime train, escort to dorne, siege of riverrun, field of fire, now heading north If you've survived this long you've got more than luck on your side
"We could throw books at his men" "We don't have that many books" I love how Varys responded to that as if it were a serious suggestion, to throw books at the enemy.
It's this kind of brainstorming that led to the obvious answer: pigshit. Such brilliant writing and dialog back then. From all three of them. It's a shame dumb and dumber weren't better writers.
Varys knew he was joking. He was implying that King's Landing's library is trash considering it's KINGS LANDING. He was bitching about not having more books.
My thoughts on S6-8 is that its is difficult to maintain tension when the side do not have an equal chance at thwarting the other side. I feel like if they made the decisio,n consciously or not to dumb down, Tyrion and the other "clever" characters to maintain parity instead of writing Qyburn or Euron to be more clever.
@@dbillau If the characters lead the story then the result is fine, the problem comes when the story leads the characters, that's why Tyrion is out of character and become foolish, that's why Euron is the best marksmen in the world for a day, that's why Jaime doesn't care about the people in King's Landing despite killing the mad king to spare everyone in king's landing earning the title of kingslayer and all the shame that accompanies it. The writing was just awful.
Now let’s give tyrion credit. His ideas in latter season WHERE good ideas in theory have the iron born transport the dornish and atrack from two fronts. Take the seat of power your enemies House. Blame D&D for making Cersei the final boss
"How did you accomplish this marked drop in thievery? "Me and the lads rounded up all of the known thieves!" "... For questioning?" "Ahhhh, no..." "...............We talked about this"
god *damn* the sheer difference between this and the latest seasons is like night and freaking day. What happened to the unmatched wit and strategic mind Tyrion had? What happened to the thrilling dialogue and subtle facial expressions?
It’s the look on their faces when they realise bronn has already been preparing for the siege 😂 by rounding up the worst of the thieves to stop them selling out the city
The change from Varys' curious face when he heard the thieves are rounded up to his shocked one when he hears "No". It's like you can hear "OH, MY BIRDS! :O :(("
@@Tonypikmin i meant that he was humiliated from a character writing perspective not in the story itself. His character became so annoying and dumb without any explanation. From treating tyrion and jamie like shit after so much to making cringy jokes at a council he had no business being part of.
"Shame archmaester Chewhatever wasn't a better writer" another beautiful foreshadowing from earlier seasons, this one about D&D themselves! Edit: this is my frist time being in situation to write "edit: omg so many likes I didn't expect this to ever happen", so thank you guys, all 1900+ of you, it is a special feeling 🤗
A lot of good makes good become not good. More seasons filled with war would become boring faster than you’d expect. GRRM knew this so after writing 2 books filled with war he made his next book dedicated to the spoils of that war and what happens after it.
Season 2 : it takes Stannis 9 episodes to make his way to KL & the viewer's anticipation is thrilling Season 8 : Euron Greyjoy snaps his fingers and teleports around the world , and his biggest accomplishment was not killing Jaime Lannister
I don’t think fast travel ruined season 8. It was the more general pacing and direction of the story imo. Season 1 had Cat going from winterfell to KL to the riverlands to the eyrie within 2 eps. GoT can pull the fast travel off. It just didn’t do it right in season 8. Even with its fast travel in earlier seasons, it gave time to characters to interact and breathe instead of just pushing plot points forward like season 8
@@blackmorewolf that was my reaction for me , when I watched that scene for the first time. But I agree with you, Tyrion betraying Varys like that, one of his best friend and confidant, it was unexpected and weird for me. I guess I'm still trying to understand season 8.
I'd love for someone to remind this discussion to Tyrion in Season 7 when he called for laying siege to KL. Or better yet, remind it to the two mokeys who wrote that moronic script for him to say.
@@RKBock That it's somehow smarter, more moral or merciful to besiege the city rather than just take it, which caused them to meander with Dany's stupid invasion for the entire season instead of being done with it in an episode or two.
@@Alknix well, that depends on how you take the city. if a dragon sets fire to a few buildings, the whole city will be aflame. (medieval european cities were very tightly packed and fires were always horrific) a blaze from a dragon would could possibly start a fire that would run through the whole city, killing most of its population. But flying over and burning the red keep to the ground could win the war. or cercei could flee into the tunnels where she would be protected from an aerial dragon attack. or flee out of the red keep into the streets. "just take it" is easier said than done. a lot of people would want to fight to their death. burning the city down wouldn't be a solution either. (ruling over a black spot surrounded by walls full with a million charred corpses would not exactly help you with anything besides being hated and feared by the whole continent) Really, the only way I see for her to take the city without a siege would be to fly into the red keep and only burn it down. afterwards occupy it and hope that the civilians surrender. which would still end in the whole city hating her and most of the remaining court as well as the citizen trying to assassinate her and her dragons in the next year. (one stray arrow is enough to kill even the mightiest emperor) In other words: though the series' arguments might have been dumb, taking the city by force would not accomplish much. her best bet would be to gather power and allies around the kingdom. weakening the power of king's landing to the point that the city would be (almost) alone at which point it would surrender. that's my opinion at least.
@@RKBock You're absolutely right, she should've been working to win the lords and people of Westeros to her side, exactly like Tyrion said. Like, reinforce Riverrun and the Wall, root out bandits, provide relief effort, all that. Prove that Cersei is lying about her. Except then she doesn't do any of that either! As for assulting the KL, aside from her dragons she also had a huge army. I would envision the assualt to go like this: she brings all her forces directly to KL, uses the Dothraki and/or the dragons to decimate the Lannister troops and Euron's fleet, then storm the city with the Unsullied. Done. Or maybe the storm won't even be necessary - after a a show of dragon power she can simply demand a surrender and promise to let Cersei and Jaime live. I'm not saying that is guaranteed to work, but she doesn't even try!
I believe Tyrion inherited his father's smarts and he was proud to an extent made him acting hand of the king only cause he knew he was capable. But tywin couldn't get past the fact he killed his wife in childbirth. Jamie inherited his strength Cersei was just as cunning as tywin. If only the 3 lanister kids joined forces properly they make up a twin lanister
By Archmaster Schevlaten.... Schevlatesh...? Shylvatish. Aaaaah, The great sieges of Westeros! Thrilling subject. Shame, Archmaester Schavealton wasn't a better writer :) hahahaha!
This was when this show was at it's best. Good acting, good dialogue, a story and all done in one room. I'm all for CGI dragons etc but this is it for me.
These three men are dealing with a defense plan that will decide the fate of a continent in multiple ways yet it also feels like three class mates dealing with a project and not knowing what to do.
Bronn over here acting like he’s holding some secret knowledge on starvation being the main killer in a siege, when it’s pretty common knowledge both in Westeros and our own history.
For him it's more common knowledge. To people like Varys and Tyrion, who haven't firsthand experienced a siege from the non-soldier or nobility level, that isn't common knowledge
Ahh the old charismatic and exotic Varys of the earlier seasons. Shame how they butchered his character into a not-so-smart anymore person in the final season and killed him off as a very ineffective plot point.
@@MrLeSa95 yup, the smartness, the banter in the face of diplomacy, the tongue-in-cheekness of the show is all gone. In its conclusion, Game of thrones lost one of its most identifiable characteristics. What a shame!
There's a ton of subtleties in this scene, the dialogues were well written, the deliveries even better. Can you really believe the show went from this to season 8?
The thing I always noticed in this scene is the physical performance from Bron beginning the scene picking his fingers to then be told to stop by Tyrion to plan with him; Tyrion asserts himself by forcing him to stop, Varys enters and compliments bron on something Tyrion hadn’t known he had done and didn’t know its effect ness for the upcoming siege. Bron sees this and immediately goes back to picking his fingers
D&D: says "Pigshit" with as much confidence as Bronn(when he mispronounces the Archmaester's name) At least we know that Bronn tried, whereas we can hope beyond hope that D&D have better to offer than the Pigshit they try to pass off as successful scriptwriting.
This scene only works if Varys doesn’t know. He’s a procure of information, gives the illusion of knowing everything. The fact that he doesn’t know but is willing to learn to best serve the realm