@@_xxdillydillyxx1_6 people like you caused him to retire from acting, threatening him like that. You guys gotta figure out Characters from the Actors. You take these shows way to seriously.
Many leaders, upon seeing their ships, friends, and soldiers, perish in a massive explosion, may have wavered, stuttered, or shown fear . Stannis stood tall and confident that he would prevail, so instead of being disheartened his troops rallied.
That scene is supposed to show how he's unfit to rule due to his inability to stir the hearts of men (his speeches suck) or care for their lives. But sure, go ahead and pretend he's great with his flaming sword.
It showed that he is calm in a crisis and that his bannermen respect him for that, but it also showed that he's not very good at giving speeches and he knows it. Very good characterisation.
Back when bronn was useful, tyrion was smart, dialogues were badass, commanders used to know the tactics in a battle and GoT production could afford some lights. What fine days those were!
@@MonoIsSuperior no sir, season 6 was one of the best season of got.It was little bit critical so everybody can not understand it..Season 7 was also good.But Season 8 is nothing but shit.
If you are referring to the battle at Winterfell: You are not expected to see everything because its suppose to add to the terror and tactics and/or walls don't matter if the opposing numbers are incomprehensible. But fair to say, that battle has other problems that are not addressed.
@@godsBane266 In what world do tactics and walls not matter when the opponent's army vastly outnumbers your own. Strategy and tactics are the only way to overcome such a foe. Well, that, and an assassin with cool dagger.
Fun fact: the Pyromancer is played by Roy Dotrice (Leopold Mozart: Amadeus (1984)). Dotrice is the narrator for A Song of Ice and Fire books, and as such has played _every character in Game of Thrones_ (except those that were created for the TV series). This was - at the time - a world record. Dotrice was originally meant to play Grand Maester Pycelle, but health problems prevented him from doing so. He passed away in 2017.
It's interesting to note everyone's reactions. Tyrion and Bronn seem disgusted about what they've done, but they knew it needed to be done. The Hound is scared shitless and Joffrey has just discovered a new to torture people with.
@@Onigirli idk, to me it looked more like "Holy fuck, what the hell did I just get in on?" Not necessarily horrified, but more just plain shocked by the scale of it. He thought he had some sense of what they were doing - remember how cynical he was about the pyromancer's lofty claims? - and then he very suddenly understood that he had no idea. Even Tyrion didn't fully understand until he _saw_ it.
@@zub41r75 in books stannis is a unmovable rock of a man he doesnt get affection or love from his subjects only fear he also wants everyone to act right and everything is unforgiveable to him that kind of person is nit suited to be a king.
@@theeyepatch1219 I think he is finding it hard to trust people and who can blame him but to say he is an unmovable rock is wrong he has taken advice many times and I think he will take more advice in future from others he likes
Yes right, in episode of fight versus white walkers, i can't watch a damm thing ,it was so dark, i thought i was the only one who cannot watch anything
@@yossarian00seasons 5 and 6 were great not as good as the first four seasons but they had cool moments like battle of the bastards dany riding drogon for the first time s7 was not good and season 8 was horrible it’s a shame they should’ve make got ten season make the king knight 2 seasons and the knight king taking KL and the iron throne that would’ve been cool af and if they’re going the mad queen road build it up properly s10 could be about the war with Cersei a siege on KL Cersei doing tricks with wildfire on Daenerys army during the siege dany gets pissed and kill Cersei and the last 3 episode would be about Sansa rebellion and war with the north eventually Jon chooses his sisters or something that would have been so much better I hope they revive her in the snow sequel
Tyrion: "Oh Gods what have I done" The Hound: "Oh Gods what have you done" The Pyromancer: "Hee Hee, look what I've done!" Joffrey: "Do it again! Do it again!"
The look on everyone’s faces after the wildfire explosion totally reveals their character. Bronn, the Hound and Tyrion are appropriately horrified or astounded. The pyromancer and Joffrey are smiling like cowardly sadists
In between it all men burning and screaming to death being swallowed by the black water absolutely love how Tyrion obviously didn’t want to kill so many people he still has to remember that given the chance they would kill him first
The Pyromancers response is like if you made a bomb, no one cared and then it was used to literally save the entire country from being conquered, he finally gets to see wildfire in use and for a damn good reason
+Matt Williams Of course he's pleased with himself. Can you imagine how he would be rewarded for providing the hand with the means to destroy a large percentage of Stannis' navy without a single lost soldier, and consequently keep Joffrey on the throne?
Tbh he should've been involved in scripting of the later season 7 and 8. Especially 8. It became so shitty. Aahhhh coronavirus doesn't trigger me as much as season 8 did
It's a neat little visual detail to see Jeoffrey "Baratheon" in red Lannister armor. Story wise, this can be explained away by the need for an army to easily tell friend from foe, but it's also a visual nod to the fact that Jeoffrey is not a Baratheon but 100 percent Lannister.
Well from King Robert's death onwards the entire royal family basically drops the Baratheon heraldry. Joffery has the lion and the stag on his sigil and everything else is Lannister themed.
@@Myne1001Probably mostly because 1. Cersei is Queen Regent making her the leader of the country so a Lannister is in control and 2. The original Baratheons are rebelling against the crown so straight flying their colours (since Renly is using the original Baratheon heraldry) and calling yourself Baratheons would likely be confusing and allow them to try and confuse legitimacy like Stannis tries to do. It is probably intended as "Lannisters are taking over!" Though
Fun Fact: the tactic that Tyrion used with the ''fireship'' is a real historical naval battle tactic. They used to take ships,fill them up with various flammable materials like tar,oil,gunpowder etc. and use them as ''floating bombs'' against enemy ships. The Dutch used these ''fireships' against the Spanish Armada,in the 16th century,during their war of independence to great effect and the Greeks perfected this tactic during the greek war of indepence of 1821,against the Osmanic fleet. A greek naval commander,by the name Constantin Kanaris,even managed to burn the Osmanic fleet's flagship,outside of the island of Chios,a huge Man of War battleship with a ''fireship''. Also,the ''wildfire'' is inspired by the ''greek fire'' of the Byzantine Empire,a medievil incidiary weapon similar to napalm or white phosphorus,that couldn't be extinguished with water and used extensively in naval battles by the Byzantines. His exact chemical formula is still today unknown,because the Byzantines kept it as a state secret.
Can you talk to Dany? She needs to get schooled on these prior battles and military tactics...she is currently getting her ass handed to her (-2 Dragons). Sir Devros survived this battle, better ask him for advice. Has Tyrion told her about wildfire? Cersi surely will use it as a weapon in the days to come.
Also, the 'wildfire' itself is based upon Greek fire, which was supposedly used like giant flamethrowers, only the fire would even burn on contact with water and not die out. I say supposedly, because the recipe for Greek fire was lost long ago. Nobody knows how it was created, but it's possibly very similar to napalm. Apparently it was fucking devastating on the battlefield.
I had a chilling realization about the wildfire and that it was Cersei who commissioned it initially. Remember how they were all waiting in Baelor's Sept during the battle and that Cersei was insistent that people remain? I thought she had been planning on poisoning the guests or having the soldiers kill them, but no...even back then in S2, she had Baelor's Sept set up to blow on her word.
pyromancer: watches the explosion and loves it sandor: watches the explosion but is horrified joffrey: misses the explosion but loves the aftermath tyrion: missed the explosion and is horrified by the aftermath says a lot about their respective characters to be honest...
@@gagewileman9434 I think the Hound was terrified for both reasons - his phobia and the sheer destruction. Although he is a "by any means necessary" guy, he still has some principles and I think one of those is along the lines of: In battle, men should die by the sword, swiftly, not tortured by magic.
Love the Hound's reaction. As a man who's been burned and knows that pain, watching hundreds if not thousands of other men simultaneously go up in flames and experience that same pain -without any warning - it seems like he might be connecting Tyrion the Dwarf to Gregor the Mountain in his mind, in this moment; and that this might be the first wave that rocks the boat in this battle, that makes him consider leaving the Lannisters to their fate.
The one thing I've always hated about this scene is that it paints Davos in a bad light. In the books, Davos wasn't in charge of this naval engagement. He had no choice but to follow Stannis' current admiral, and Davos mentions that he has serious reservations about their plan. He wanted to leave the fleet out at sea and scout the blackwater. He also wanted the Lyseni pirate Sallador to take a more direct part in the battle, as Sallador's men had more experience as sailors and fighters. Unfortunately for Stannis and his army, Davos was treated as nothing more than an up-jumped old woman who had no taste for battle.
@Anjelica Snorcket not enough budget( battle of Oxcross would've been great to see) they were saving it for Blackwater episode. I also wanted battle of the whispering wood and green fork in s1 but again budget reasons.
@@manvirshergill1739 hopefully someone will do an animated show for game of thrones wiht competent writers and which follows the books properly (hopefully with the same badass animation as castlevania)
''There is no creature on this Earth half so terrifying as a truly just man.'' It captivates Stannis. The way he nods his head when the knight says ''Hundreds will die.'', shows that it truly doesn't matter to him how many will die so long as justice has been served.
His facial expression seems to be one of "you're not technically wrong but also not entirely right," and demonstrates that he had already thought it through by correcting him.
piyush garg at some point in season 1 or 2 Edmure Tully tries to deed his fathers (I think) funeral by setting the vessel on which his dads dead body is placed ablaze, by shooting flaming arrows at it. As dumb as he is,he misses all the shots so some other dude does it for of him.
@@FatihAegon well I mean he did kill more than 5 people which means he would be on a "Killstreak" even with the environmental part. But even then he was directly involved in killing them because of the arrow
@@sheldon-cooper no if you shoot any environmental things it will count as a environmental kill like a rope holding something heavy if you shoot the rope and heavy thing drops and kills somebody it will count as a environmental kill same thing counts if you shoot something incendineary on water
@@jordanbelfort4103 It's a book character named Ser Justin Massey, and he is actually quite the pansy. Stannis values Massey's combat contributions so little that he uses the knight as a page and to carry messages. It's perfect casting.
I almost would have preferred the Battle of Winterfell to be like the Battle of Oxcross, back when they didn't have the budget for a battle. Just time skip to the end of the battle and Arya wiping Night King blood or ice chips or whatever he has, off her sword.
When you are versing mindless hordes of zombies there are no tactics or logic that will work. The dothraki probs shouldn't have charged headlong but otherwise it was pretty standard military tactics for that level of fighting and tech
When anyone sees that much fire no one gets inspired when a commanders asks you to go and attack But WHEN HE GOES FIRST AND LEAD THE ATTACK That is another story
Love how these early series were written. Even in a chaotic battle scene, the show finds an opportunity to teach us about the main characters using their reactions to the wildfire: Bronn and the Hound, tough soldiers are nonetheless shaken by the force they’ve unleashed, revealing a humanity we hadn’t really seen in them yet. Joff and the pyromancer are sadists, excited by all the horror. And empathetic Tyrion is more interested and disturbed by the reactions of those around him.
Very good observations ! ... I might be willing to cut the pyromancer some slack as ....we know nothing about him as a rounded-character ....and presumably his skill and knowledge has been used to protect the city against what they might percieve as a murderous and savage attack : the craftsman has seen his tools utilised effectively .....Joff of course is beyond any such "slack" ....
He was a fool not to retreat when he knew he didn't have a chance of winning against the Boltons. Basically he committed suicide and took his remaining troops with him.
@@jamie_d0g978 Bad guys have the worst plot armour in this show and always have. Always hated people claiming this is a show where anything can happen to anyone, when Bolton had all the magic powers in the world to keep living and winning whilst he was fulfilling the role of "series antagonist". Same with Cersei.
@Jamie_ D0G it is his fault he kept listening to that crazy bish. He lost half his army for burning his daughter alive and he killed his own brother. He deserved to lose.
@@michaeldaley4777 Greek Fire was the historical version of a WMD Dragons are the fantastical. Neither are something I'd like to get on the wrong side of.
That wide shot on 3:05 is great. Great shot on showing the vast scale of chaos and damage from the wildfire. Love how it shows that the old guy and Joffrey are smiling like idiots while Tyrion and the hound look on with horror.
Well, I don't mind if stannis soldiers "having fun" with cersei while sacking the keep. But it means sansa will be dead in that moment. Kinda had split feeling about this
0:07 Despite being a psychotic boyking, he did have a few abilities...he was amazingly accurate with a crossbow, and he had very sharp eyes...he was the first to spot the fleet, out of all those searching for it from atop the walls.
@@TV-ge3uj Maybe… but it seems he was a sociopath from the start , Cersei ‘s education probably dumbed him down . If she ignored him he may have been a competent sociopath.
I appreciate that they make the effort to show the wildfire touching off regular fires, and repeatedly show wildfire and regular fire in the same frame instead of just slapping a filter on all of it.
I love how Tyrion's armour incorporates a bit of book lore: the symbol of the Hand of the King is a golden chain of office of hands linking together. It's emblazoned on Tyrion's breastplate. In the show, they just use a pin with a single hand on it instead.
I won't lie, what really gave me chills the first time I saw this wasn't the explosion or screaming that followed; it was the look on Stannis' face right before he replied "thousands."
Several things I LOVE in this scene 1. Sandor's reactions to the fire 2. The break in the voice of Stannis's officer when he says "But the wild~fire..." 3. "Thousands" (that line I've watched over and over and I never tire of it) 4. Stannis is the first down the ladder. This scene catapulted Stannis up my list of the most interesting character's in the series.
Joffrey: _let's Tyrion plan everything about the defense, doesn't attend a single meeting about it and knows absolutely nothing aside from 'uhh stand on the walls I guess', giving Tyrion complete control and seemingly trusting his judgement_ Also Joffrey: wHeRe aRE tHe sHiPS
@@erickariuki6842Pretty sure it was Cersei, Littlefinger doesn't have that kind of authority, nor is he foolish enough to use Mandon Moore as his agent
@@whensomethingcriesagain In the books, the poison that killed Joffrey was in Tyrion's cup. Who's to say that it wasn't the first time Littlefinger tried to assassinate Tyrion?
This was one of the most painful scenes in the show. WHY did stannis have to lose? Probably the second greatest tragedy of the show (following season 8).
True but remember that if Stannis had won, Tyrion would have been executed along with Varys and Littlefinger, so we would have lost some great characters.
He had his fans, despite his total lack of charm, his murder of his brother by blood magic and his fondness for burning "heretics", but burning your own sweet little daughter at the stake is crossing the line. Actually, a Baratheon with Stannis/ Robert's warrior skills, Stannis' sense of duty and Renly's charm would have made a great king.
I remember watching this scene for the first time right after it came out. It was amazing. Nowdays we take these grand battle scenes on TV for granted but at the time this was a spectacle. And combined with those rich characters, dialogues and storylines... What a great show this was!
Why don't we get these kind of battle ideas for the battle of winterfell instead of sending dothraki armies to get slaughtered. Old tyrion was probably the best strategist in the 7 kingdoms.
Because Battle of Blackwater Bay was written by G.R.R Martin and not incopetent creators of the show. By the way even Blackwater Bay was slightliy simplified in the show.
If not for Tyrion Stannis would have been in full control of King's Landing by the time Twying and the Tyrells arrived. And if not for Tyrion's mountain clans killing Stannis's scouts, they wouldn't even have been able to surprise Stannis.
PinkGuy VEVO No it was dumb. They took it too far. I tried turning up the brightness on my tv, adjusting settings, turning off all the lights in the room and it didn’t make a difference. I couldn’t see what was going on in many scenes. I gotta tell you, there’s nothing less intense than staring at a blank screen.
Joffrey was such a good King, he spotted the ships first and then when he was needed elsewhere, he did not hesitate to trust his soldiers to do all the fighting for him
I loved Bron's expression, not once did he ever show fear, But here he was legit terrorified that he touched off the literal equiv for the show of a Nuke
When Stannis says that Tyrion can only play his “little trick” once, there’s really no way he could have known there weren’t more wildfire boats coming.
To be fair, no other wildfire ships would have been able to cross the burning wreck of Stannis’s ships. By the time Stannis got close enough to the shore, it would have been too close to light any wildfire without risk of burning the city.
AmericanPoliceState george rr martin got a lot of the stuff in game of thrones from actual history. Valyrian steel is based on Demascus steel and the red wedding was based on the black dinner
Cutlass Ken the only thing similar about it is the fact it has steel in the name Even the term based has a boundary it can’t go past before sounding stupid and it just passed it
Being the only person in my friend-group who's read the books, the level of excitement I got when this scene showed up was intense. Grinning ear to ear like the Pyromancer
