What if Tyrion Lannister had joined the Night's Watch after his murder trial? What would've changed in the world of Game fo Thrones? FIND OUT NO FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER @TheSAPeacock Listen to the Side Effect Podcast: / channel
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Imagine how interesting the Night's Watch Story could have been if everyone that was heading there, or considered going there actually went and was there at the same time... Jon Snow, Ned Stark, Arya Stark, Gendry, Jaqen H'ghar, Tyrion Lannister, & Theon Greyjoy.
Very possible! I thought about that as well, but I would have to imagine he'd be more valuable to Jon by his side rather than in the formal Maester role. Sam's much better suited for that I think. :)
666MIHI Then Ned stark won't have confess to false crime, he would tell everyone the truth, because his not afraid to die. Joannna lannister would be able to protect tyrion abuses from his father and others as well, she would help tyrion become a maester or choose another career, a lot would change tyrion would never kill his own father.
TheBattProductions Question would brandon stark (Ned's older brother) be a better leader then ned or ned be a better lord of the north then his older brother despite he is just a follower type, but his also better commander in the battle to do robert rebellion.
666MIHI Ned would never do such a stupid shit, he wouldn't take his heir nor any of his sons to the capital, he only took the girls, because robert gave his son and heir (fake baratheon).
What if Tyrion wasn't a dwarf? I imagine his character would be a lot different (as well as his actions), and he would've impacted Westeros differently.
Then she would be shocked and demands ned to send jon to be foster somewhere else. Because she feared he would be a danger to her kids, she loves her kids the most.
If no one suspects a thing:(Catelyn would likely draw suspicion as she is more accepting of Jon this time around) Likely have him be sent to the Daynes instead of the Watch after the Tournament(have distinct targaryen traits, that could hide his parentage and reinforce the myth of the milk maid/Ashara motherhood). Jon would be good brothers with Edric Dayne, being sent there occasionally before reaching adulthood. Likely would be picked up by Oberyn as a squire later at first hating him, due to his supposed father being Ned & renamed Jon Sand(The Sand Digging Wolf). But slowly the Dorne's come to realize he is different and try to groom him for their targaryen resurrection plan.(a stark heir for the North, bastard means nothing to Dornish) He would also likely be the riden like the town's bike by all the sand snakes, and he still knows nothing.
Sam would be dead, Arya would've been killed by Joffrey, Bran would be dead, Catelyn would die trying to defend Bran, Jeor Mormont would die in season 1, Jon Snow would be dead (No one there to help Jon Snow when he fought Tormund, and the other wildlings outside the windmill), Mance would win the battle of Castle Black before Stannis showed up (No Jon Snow to lead the defence of Castle Black). Gendry would be dead because Arya wouldn't be there and say Lommy's corpse was Gendry's. Rickon would be acting Lord of Winterfell when Robb went to war. A war would probably happen sooner though, I don't know how, but Joffrey killing Arya sounds like a pretty big deal. It depends on what Sansa, as witness would've said, maybe the Butcher's boy would witness against Joffrey, but I bet he'd be affraid as fuck
Ximen I don't think Geoffrey would kill Arya, he might seriously injure her, killing her himself would be a very bad idea. But you never know, he might. If he does with both Bran and Arya dead, presumably at the hands of Lannisters their might end up being war between the Starks and Lannisters. Geoffrey's engagement to Sansa would certainly be called off: Ned wouldn't want his daughter to marry the boy who killed/seriously injured Arya. Ned wouldn't become the hand of the king after losing two of his children due to Lannisters. I don't know what would happen to Geoffrey though, Robert might make Tommen first in line to the throne.
Don't forget if Grey Wind weren't there, Lord Umber wouldn't have been Robb's right hand and most of the northern host probably would have gone home. So maybe Robb would live in that scenario
Alternately, Tyrion gets grief from Janos, like you said. Having bigger balls than Janos, he volunteers to go to Eastwatch to patch things up, choosing the least shifty couple of men to go with him. He does his thing, comes back, and Jon tells him "Listen, we've got a big ass White Walker problem, so I'm gonna need you to see if you can smuggle all the Free Folk through Eastwatch and settle them somewhere South. Not too far South, cuz that's Umber Territory. Those hickory-smoked MFs are crazy." And he will. Cuz, come on. It's Tyrion.
I know it bothered him, but in the show (during his conversation that I added into the video) it seems he sent him away due to not being able to trust him. They talk about the bastard stuff, but seems like an afterthought in comparison.
I don't think the Lannisters would want peace with Stannis. Arianne is best option, helps smooth over relations with Dorne more, etc. If worst comes to worst, there is probably some Lannister second cousin or something in Lannisport :P.
Funny enough her storyline in the book involves her seducing a knight of the Kings guard Sir Areys Oak heart who Is replaced by Jaime in the series as part of the Mycella plot in Dorne.
What if Ramsay missed Rickon? Obviously Jon wouldn't become the king in the north, not with a healthy, living, true-born son of Ned in Winterfell......but what would be the broader implications of that? Would Rickon be proclaimed king?....etc....
I'm only 6 minutes into the video and I just love this concept! Probably because of the many-worlds theory of parallel realities... either way, great job! I'm stoked that I have a bunch of "what if" GoT vids to catch up on!
The war of five kings does not escalate. Ned keeps his head and the north secededs after a brutal war in the neck. Greyjoy/Bolton situation does not escalate, greyjoys still go independent and stay that way.
Joshua Mitchell would Tommen even have enough believe in himself to arrest Ned and not agree with him because his father trusted him? Dunno Tommen was ridiculously weak as a king.
I don't think it would have changed much. Shireen was an adorable little girl. Stannis was a complete monster for burning his own daughter. However, she had essentially 0 impact on the affairs of Westeros. I don't think anything would have changed other than Stannis not being a total monster before he died.
Daniel Stark don't forget Melisandre was exiled from the North because of that. We'll probably need another season to go by to see the bigger picture of Melisandre's impact.
i think the implication was that if she was not burnt, they would all die from starvation. ramsay had burned their food and a blizzard trapped them. they couldnt march back to the wall. thy wouldnt find much sparable food there. they cant march forward. stannis loses his entire army then and there.
The potential wife for Jamie Lannister if this scenario played out. You missed an obvious choice. Samwell Tarlys sister. She's a highborn lady & one of the Tyrells loyalists banner men. It'd be a perfect match to help strengthen the Lannister, Tyrell alliance.
Great video, love the Sam impression. I do wonder if Jon would have led the battle of Winterfell if he hadn't died. He was so determined to not get into Westrosi politics before that.
What if Mance Rayder bends the knee to Stannis Baratheon? Will the Wildlings still follow him and more importantly would they follow the Mannis? If they did, would the Wildlings + Stannis' forces be enough to defeat Ramsay? Would this change Jon's decision to stay at Castle Black?
Interesting... you're so fun Kevin😉 I'm not good with what ifs so I have nothing to share other than to say I liked listening to yours👍 Loved the pic of you on the throne- King Kevin👑 long may he reign! Speakin'o'Jon/Tyrion, I'm looking forward to the reunion (for lack of a better word) of these 2. They def held a bit of respect towards each other. I'm looking forward to peace and unity between most of the characters this season. Obviously not ALL, i.e. Cersai, but most. *Always* a pleasure Kevin Thanx! btw did I miss your podcast w/ SmokeScreen et al?
Why thank you Cammy :) I'm very much looking forward to Jon and Tyrion for sure. That'd be terrific. We did post Ep 3 of the podcast about 4-5 days ago, and we just recorded this week's podcast. It should be posted a few days from now. I posted the link in the description! :)
Alex Rau Then Benjen stark would be regency of the north until lady catelyn's son comes of age atleast until his 20. Jon would be Jon sand as bastard of lord dayne of starfall?
What if the Knights of the Vale don't ride in during the Battle of the Bastards and what if Lord Wyman Manderly, Lord Robett Glover and Lord Cley Cerwyn join the Starks.
soyon manlai I feel like he would still kill his father but I also believe his father sleeping with Shae was a big factor in his decision. Anyway since TheBattProductions just did the video on Tyrion going to the wall, I feel like the only major thing to answer is, "What if Tyrion went to Essos and didn't kill Tywin?"
He already video of what if tywin lived. what about other interesting topic like what if robert never bankrupted the realm on parites or what if brandon lived (Ned's older brother)? what if jon and starks kids realized or discover their warg abilities earlier?
WHAT IF the assassination attempt on Joffrey's life by Olenna and Littlefinger failed (because Harry found a bezoar lying around) and Joffrey lived? and WHAT IF Arya never fled to Essos?
Hi could you do a video on army set up and who would win in a pitch battle I think this could be interesting cause you would take in army size tactics weapons and leaders thank keep it up
Another possibility for Jaime's bride: Talla Tarly. She's young, she's available, and a marriage alliance with the Tarlys would be a further check on the uneasy Tyrell alliance. Being the daughter of a hard man like Randyll Tarly would also likely be a recommendation for Tywin.
I have so many "what if" ideas that some of them are getting really specific, so I don't know if they would work for this. For example: What if Robb and Catelyn learned that Arya wasn't a hostage? (Say she sent out a raven from Harenhaal without Tywin finding out.)
what if during theon's rescue mission by yara went a bit side way,like theon actually ditched the reek personality and went with yara but she was killed by ramsay during their escape leaving theon going home to pyke to confront balon
I would think that with Sansa gone, the Lannisters would try to marry Jaime to a Northern girl to try and secure their hold up there. I would think Alys Karstark but she doesn't seem to exist in the show. Honestly the only Northern girl I can think IS there in the show is the Little Bear. Of course that'd be super creepy. Not out of place in the books considering the book even have infant brides but something the show had avoided by aging up characters.
YES I DID! It was very good live. Seeing Jeff take the dive off of the cage was insane. Hearing Bayley get booed incessantly was sad, but she deserves it right now for how bad she looks.
Really good! The only thing I could think to add is if Tyrion never went to Dany she would have burned cities (because he talked her out of it) upon her return from the Vaes Dothrak.
I think you missed an important angle. If Jamie was sent to Casterly Rock there is a big chance that Cersei would be motivated enough to go there too since there is a new queen in town. I know, Cersei is as power-hungry as they come but I do believe she could be swayed by Jamie. Of course she would not be one of those bachelorettes, but it this happens, she would definitively have the chosen bachelorette murdered, making more complicated the relationship between the Lanisters and some other important house, but at least all that drama would be away from KL, away from the crown. When it comes to Denaerys... is Tyrion the one who introduces Varys into her council and also it is the Grayscale what moves Denaerys to forgive Jorah and taking back as her guard. I do believe that, without that Tyrion's deal, Meryn would have fallen into chaos much sooner and thus Graworm and Misandei could have died in the riots or the seige of the masters. I do agree that Tyrion himself would have fit just right in the night's watch, I don't think that the lack of ladies would be an issue there, in fact Tyrion, Jon and Sam are rebels and 2 of them intelectuals, I cannot imagine a better team to rewrite celibacy rules, and many other rules for the better, than those 3. Thanos.. please, he is nothing against that team, Just imagine the reaction of Jon when he learns what he did to the babies at the brothel.
Your Old School NWO shirt made me spit coffee on myself laughing today, a flood of funny memories from my childhood. Areo Hotah should've been part of that, I can see him And the mountain in their entrance. Gregor just standing there, larger than Nash or hogan with just his hands in a pyramid. Towering over the others,as they dance to the stage trying to act like him and Areo. As they casually & slowly walk to the stage. Lmfao Samwell "I touched a led once." Lol he Did let Gilly put it on him whilst injured. Did he have time to use a sheepskin? Are we awaiting a tiny Jon2.0...great stuff as Always. Speculative minds flock to the same Channel. Yours. Cheers.
6:01 Surely the reason was that he carried out Joffrey's order to murder all of Robert's bastards. Of course, he is sworn to obey the King, but Tyrion has a gentle heart and obviously that didn't sit well with him.
Does taking the Black relinquish wedding vows as well? Because I could only imagine that Tywin wouldn’t want to give up the key to the north, so maybe he would put out a warrant for Sansa, Littlefinger would hear about and Sansa doesn’t end up with the Bolton’s (and more importantly, doesn’t have to endure Ramsay) but rather Casterly Rock?
Have you done this one yet? If he has can someone please tell me where to find it. What if Sansa didn't tell the Lannisters what her father was doing back in season one.
Well Sam and Tyrion are my new favourite BrOTP now, thank you very much. Also, what if Renly supported his brother Stannis claim instead of partying in the Reach?
I really like these what ifs however. I would like it if you could do more knock on domino effects. For example. Jorah only went back to dany because he thought he would make a gift or a lanister. And if jorah didn't come back. Danny would have been assassinated by the sons of the harpy that jorah speared in the original timeline. Dragon wouldn't of shown up in time and rhaegal and viscirion would remain chained below the pyramid cos tyrion wouldn't of suggested to free them so their growth would have been stunted
This is such an interesting 'what if.' I did want to touch upon some points though: >Tyrion in Essos I think another big way Tyrion affected Dany's storyline was Jorah. Granted it was because of Tyrion that Jorah contracted the disease, but it was because of Tyrion that Jorah had a reason to come back to Dany. Remember when Jorah got taken in by the slavers? That was because of him being with Tyrion. Jorah was exiled from Mereen. If he had come back w/o Tyrion Dany might have had him killed or jailed forever. Yet, it was also because of Tyrion that Dany spared him his life and exiled him again. So while the disease might be terrible it's one it's a price he paid in order to see Dany again. That's not small, that's pretty huge for Jorah AND Dany as Jorah saved her life during the Harpy massacre at the games. You can also argue that he freed Dany's other 2 dragons so there's that, too. >Tyrion at the Wall While having Tyrion at the Wall would have been a HUGE help to Jon it also would have meant that Jon would not have been freed from his Night's Watch vows. He would have not been able to fight the Boltons to free Winterfell and aid in Sansa's revenge. Nor would he have been declared King in the North. Not having the freedom to do this means he would have been super screwed when trying to ask other lords and King's Landing for help. That means that Jon would have to end up aligning himself with someone, eventually, in order to get anyone to listen to him or to get the help that he needs. If anything I think more people would be upset with him for bringing Wildlings south of the wall. They are upset with him now, but now he's a King so there's nothing they can do about it for now.
Now that season 8 it is out are you going to extend some of your existing what if videos or are you going to make new ones I think you should make some about Myrcella because she was one of the most lacking characters in the show along with the entire Dornish plot in the show especially in comparison to the book plot
With Tyrion there, Jon could send Sam to Oldtown to study to be a Maester, yet still have an intelligent confidante at the wall to bounce ideas off. Also, it would take about two weeks (best case scenario) to get to the Wall, so assuming he is sent straight away after his conviction, so he would probably turn up at The Wall maybe at the exact moment that Jon is beheading Janos. There would also be the interesting scenario of Westeros' Greatest Skeptic being at The Wall at the same time that Melisandre is - and there would be a lot of tension and butting of heads between the two. And would Stannis even like Tyrion? Stannis hates everything-Lannister, of course, so he could try and get Tyrion killed. This in turn would incense Tywin: his son may have taken the Black, but he would not leave an assassination in his family alone. Tywin would march his forces to The Wall. Would Jon even be happy to see Tyrion, as Tyrion was the Hand of the King when Jon kept writing King's Landing, requesting more men, but getting sent nothing. Since he has no bargaining chip (not that it worked in when he did have Tyrion either), Jorah would have no reason to return to Daenerys, and clearly remain in exile. That would make his part in the entire saga DONE. Since Ser Gregor won't be in a trial by combat, he won't die and be resurrected, thus not allowing him to become part of the Kingsguard. This way, Cersei has absolutely none of her own pawns in the game of thrones, making her much less of a threat and a character. Also she would never take over as Queen Regent as she did when Tywin died, which means there will never be the Faith Militant nor the High Sparrow controlling King's Landing. Thus there will never be a walk of shame, nor a means for her to get Margaery or Loras imprisoned. Tywin (and eventually Tommen) would control King's Landing. I don't think you explored this nearly enough as you could have done.
I think Tyrion would become Jon's chief councillor as Lord Commander, but Olly would be his steward. I think he would actively work to strengthen Jon's position at the wall but also try and figure out who was most likely to desert the Night's Watch, because Tyrion (especially in the books) was absolutely furious at his family and wanted revenge. He'd make the most of his time at the Wall but he would be constantly looking for a way out. He would likely try and hatch an escape plan at some point, perhaps years down the line with the intention of going to Dorne, as Oberyn knows his worth and would understand Tyrion's desire for revenge is legit. In the books Oberyn offered Tyrion passage to Dorne if he won the trial by combat. Tyrion wouldn't have lived long with Cersei gunning for him even if proven innocent so it was a good deal he intended to take. However, after Hardhome it's possible Tyrion would consider staying if he thinks he can help defeat the army of the dead, although it's quite possible he would believe himself useless for that particular task and leave anyway. Tyrion may have also been able to convince Jon to send him with Sam to Oldtown where he'd be more useful, and he would have tried to turn that into an opportunity for escape as well. He would know full well that once Cersei got word he was in Oldtown she'd have him killed.
Bit if Jon sends away ser alliser and all his other enemies, he is never killed. Which means he will stay the lord commander and never March on winter fell. However sansa would probably become the lady of winterfell with the knights of the vale and the northern houses.
"First" great vid by the way in the end different path but same journey , but think you missed the importance of the Lannister donation upgrade Jamie would of hooked up mole town with
Hahahahahha. That's very true! Gold would've showeredddddd molestown. Actually, I think Tyrion may've stuck to his vows until Dany arrives. He's a pretty honorable dude.
Thank you! :) Nope, I don't think it has any legs. I'm sure a case could be made for it, but I'm pretty confident it's just people trying to entertain themselves by making up a theory.
The real reason Tyrion sent Janos Slynt to the Wall was his killing of little Barra. I wouldn't feel comfortable around a guy who could just cold-bloodedly murder a baby like that either.
What is Jon Snow takes Allister Thorn with him to Hardhome? I think if he saw the white walker threat for himself he would have supported Jon's decision to save some of the wildlings.
