"Games as a service" is fraud. 

It crashes at 1:09. Is that because I'm using Chrome? Do other browsers work?

It works from 1:17 on again. I don't know what you said there, but that's how conspiracy theories start.

yeah i got the 1:09 error too, srry ross im downloading and watching it offline

Also 9:32

When it comes to your videos, length is a benefit not a downside. But there is a downside, video immediately crashes at 1:09 and 9:32. I'll check back in an hour or so.

so true

Facts🙌💯

BAH!!!! I don't care..... PROBLEM SOLVED... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

@Stix N' Stones if there is any other way to do it... i dont care to know it

is not.. I've never even played postal...@Stix N' Stones

Well said

Rephrasing if my money is worthless then your product has no worth

Based.

The WEF will own nobody and be unhappy.

This misses the point: Where is piracy for online-only games, or games with extremely hard or impossible DRM to crack, like The Crew? No one has cracked that game yet. Developments in DRM technology might make it so piracy is impossible for future games, such that devoting time or resources to cracking won't be enough.

As extra credits said: "It is already difficult for developers to see their game, their hard work being destroyed by their publisher"

Gravity Rush 2 smh

bringing back the creativity topic, i think it hurts creativity NOW instead of the other way arround who wants to put care and effort in something you know will be lost in obselete hell

@@KingOskar4 yeah fuck extra credits they are the guys that defended loot boxes their opinions couldint be less irrelevant

@@valletas lol

Or, like Trackmania, you wake up one day and your siding has been replaced with lower quality siding. It’s still siding. It’s still there. It just doesn’t look as good as it used to. They’re selling a new house across town that looks better, though. They say you can buy that if you like. Oh, and your basement has been filled in because they don’t want you to be able to invite a friend over to crash for a few days anymore.

A less retarded comparison would be the construction company not maintaining and repairing your house for free for years while paying all the utilities. Keeping game servers running costs money, eventually the money you paid for that service will run out.

@@RealTallestSkil In the new house, the windows are sold separately.

Beep beep beep "Your vehicle is no longer 'up to date' and it will cease to function after next shutdown. Thank you for subscribing to Great Value Cars."

This comment and it's replies is why I love Ross and this channel.

Interesting

Do you happen to know the name of the case or have a link to the opinion?

That’s pretty interesting and hopefully will help for any future cases against a the likes of Blizzard or Sony.

I don't know what to make out of it since Audible lets you download ebooks you bought. Granted, you need their app to listen to them, but you have to download that also only once.

@BiggieBoss That's like saying "Was it a green apple or a light/heavy one?" A case can be civil or criminal, and it can be state or federal. They are orthogonal. There are state civil courts, federal civil courts, state criminal courts, and federal criminal courts.

not in my circus town, ya commie!

What if I like clowns that stab?

@@colindavies6463 That's when you make sure to hand out free knives.

@@colindavies6463 id get my facepaint and setup a playdate!

that is a lot of likes wow

They actually did even worse than I've imagined, I have an original CD of WC3, and I tried to play it, it requires internet connection to play on Windows 10. Holy shit. I'm glad piracy exists.

@@darkcheaker Wtf, TIL

alrightalrightalright Sue them

@@darkcheaker Share a link to download W3 please

@@darkcheaker Yep. I also have the original CD and went through the same situation. Blizzard lost their way.

So a casino?

@@Smilephile a casino dealing counterfeit cash.

@@johnmclawson3982 ow the edge

@@trustytrest But he is right! You give them money - they give you a blessing. Yep a BLESSING. Give me 10$ and I will wish you a happy day! :-) So you have to give something spiritual for something spiritual and NOT something material for something spiritual.

@@igorthelight No because they provide services, it costs money to keep the church open, the lights on and the heaters running. Many churches also serve cookies, coffee, hot chocolate, breakfast, run charities and community centers, etc. at no cost and only ask for donations from those willing/able. It also provides a sense of community and a place to meet new people and make friends. Take your edgelord status and go somewhere else.

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Yeah, logic and reason. Corporations' only weakness... reality.

Rule of Law and logical reasoning isn't a trick lol

Johnny Two Hands In this day and age, it may as well be. There are a lot of people who are dismissive to both.

this simple trick that takes 1.25 hours to explain

Corrections don't generate clicks

"Game journalism" was, is and probably always will be a joke.

I'll tell you why they don't bring it up. The advertisers are their only source of income. They aren't working for you.

@@scionoics4865 If they don't feel too inclined to find a balance between consumers' and advertisers' interests, maybe it's time to stop being the consumer and let them figure out how much the advertisers are willing to pay for no traffic. Maybe then we will stop seeing metacritic averages between "journalists" and gamers differ by at least 50. But that's not a strictly gaming journalism issue, while it's probably most glaring here. When the infamous articles 13 and 11 were being pushed through the EU almost all the major press companies that benefited from it kept downplaying the issues, saying "the new law is great and you are all being paranoid and brainwashed by US companies" with no actual arguments. Just pure misinformation and propaganda.

>Even ones I trust Oh you sweet summer child

Worse, you're an Overwatch player in 2023

@@poolgoldworldwild2163I’m sorry for you, dude. Hopefully Blizzard gets sued for this 😢

This comment aged like a fine wine 😢

Prophetic

Your mind is intact. Congratulations, you are now one of 100 people on this planet that seem to not be crazy.

@@miersdelika5016 I'd withhold that claim if I were you. Someone can be absolutely right in one case and facepalming stupid in another.

source on your pfp please?

"Video game publishers aren't trying to confuse buyers by mislabeling labeling deceptive practices, Freeman, you're just being paranoid!"

@Ellie Gray just by your avatar i get the feeling you say that because of personal experiences.... it is mistelstein from closers right ?

It's already normal to the next generation, unfortunately. They grew up with this shit, they're heavily brainwashed and they weren't around back when games were actually good.

Haha Money, money... money

fuck yea mandaloregaming my boy

w/e doesn't affect me in the slightest. i stopped being a console peasant long ago and pc offers infinite freedom anyways. with halo coming to pc, osu, touhou, broodwar, wc3 and other free open source games, i can't lose as a core player. i dropped wow the moment blizzard cucked themselves and i know i can't lose a s long as i stay away from mainstream publishers /devs

@@simunator What the fuck are you even talking about.

What. The. Fuck.

Fuck Adobe. One of the scummiest companies in the world.

@@Marcelelias11 Aye. Whilst the products themselves have still a somewhat monopoly/unicorn status on graphical & A/V design industry, the company feels like it functions like far pre millennium.

actually that happened to me, fuck adobe, never ever gonna buy anything from them, not even pirating it, I am still mad about it -.-

@@adarax86 According to this video, in most countries, this is literally illegal, so if you live in AU, EU or Canada you could probably take this to court.

How was it?

Excellent 👍

@@LGR Any chance you'll chime in on your channel?

Oh shit it's LGR

If the right opportunity presents itself, absolutely. I've talked about similar things before on LGR for years. Most recently when Darkspore was killed.

This is a brilliant point. Push this up! (Like & comment)

@@daylightknight6373 Since such a large portion of the video was dedicated to trying to figure out the definition of games as a service, I immidiatly tried to distill it down to one sentence. Once I did, the problem with the practice because self evident. Like a teapot made of chocolate.

B..B..BUT MAH EULAS!!!

Thanks for explaining what I assume this hour video was about so simply +1

@Locutus Borg The problem is that corporations want everything their own way. They will want the definition of a good if that serves them and screws us, and they will want the definition of a service if that serves them and screws us. The real problem is games publishing companies (NOT developers) consisting of psychopaths who view everyone else both as enemies and as fuel for exploitation for their own aggrandisement.

I never bought The Crew but yes it's terrible. Once again, if you bought a game to me you own that copy.

stop giving money to live service games this came out 4 years ago and people still shovel money at them like their lives depend on it

idk, I think the best argument is the TOS tell u they can just shut it down and people should actually stop caring about the law and only take the TOS seriously, meaning if they would be sad if the game like the crew shuts down in the future then simply dont buy, if everybody had that mentality nobody would need any laws regarding the topic, but games as a serice would simply seize to exist, but as it seems usually companies are not shutting down healthy games, but games that are already dead, so the damage is really small. I guess its a risk people are willing to take, Im a more pro freedom guy and self accountability, idk how people constantly fall for bad games, but personally I run into none of those issues as I dont buy any of those games and tbh I wouldnt care if EA takes away my favourite battlefield 4, yes I would be sad but I got my fun out of it and almost nobody is playing it anymore

or when they came with a LAN option so you can make a lobby on a local network?

@@SharienGaming also, if LAN multiplayer is available, you can always use Hamachi to play through the Internet.

@@InsidiousOne Fuck hamachi use game ranger

That sounds like some Marcus Munitions type shit.

I sort of want to see that. It would be funny, and something that blatant would get people to notice.

@@ZlatkoTheGod dear [Bloodshots], those [Crimson Raiders] you are fighting pack some serious fire power!

I dumped like $250 on Marvel Heroes.. so yeah....

What changed so much? New characters and system/balance changes? New microtransaction or monetization stuff?

@@Bladieblah Cosmetics are all behind a p2w paywall, virtually forced into a battle-pass, other MTX, etc. 'Free' to play if your time is worth nothing. I didn't play OW1 & sure as hell won't be supporting OW2.

I’ve heard that they either broke or removed a lot of stuff between 1 and 2, also. Makes it even worse. Doesn’t affect me as much as it does diehard OW fans, but I still got hurt by this too. Sure, I was mostly Team TF2, but I did play and enjoy some OW. It’s been years, but hey, you never know when I might feel like picking it back up again. Except now I can’t, not really anymore.

@@isenokami7810 They reduced the team size from 6 to 5 (which has a big impact on gameplay), didn't deliver on the PvE mode that was one of the primary selling points, only a handful of new maps but less then what OW1 released with, and only a handful of new characters. By and large OW2 would be a disappointment even if you didn't like the first Overwatch. It's a straight example of expecting people to pay for less content.

What does OW stand for?

What happened

@@eneco3965 A bunch of them were either shut down or announced to be shutting down within a week of each other making announcements at the start of this year.

@@sobanbengs Can you give some examples? What games did this happen to?

@@HOTD108_ Knockout City, Rumbleverse, Babylon's Fall, Crossfire X and Marvel Avengers and a few others I'm forgetting announced they would be closing in 2023. All of those games were released after 2020 and killed off shortly after, some didn't even last a year.

Actually NVIDIA is too. Scam business of the century. You are confused what is scam business? You can find list of scam businesses on NYSE or your local SE.

So are firearms, the RAS-47 is the EA of AK's. Springfield is the EA of firearms manufactuers... Uh, Century Arms is the shovelware of firearms importers. you could probably make a case for most companies being like EA. Oh, Remington too, those guys haven't built a worthwhile 870 pump in a loooooong time.

I agree with this. At least with printers though, you have the option of purchasing laser printers, where the ink lasts a long time or just use print shops.

Make it THREE

@@khankhomrad8855 what is this three you speak of

FOUR

Somehow the longer Accursed Farms video, the more interesting the subjects which he tackled as a overarching explanation video, I personally think that his content and his courses he brought to discuss isn't just great, but also being very important in video game industry and deserves to process, talk, spread, discuss on greater circles and to assert better changes overall

hey its me jop I read your popcorn statement in Ross’ voice

And year later Cyberpunk 2077 releases.

Excellent example of this is ANTHEM in 2021

You seem to have conveniently forgotten that both Black Ops and Call of Duty 4 Remastered have singleplayer/splitscreen offline bots, which eliminates the need for a server browser.

BO3 has a server browser and mod tools so I don't think it really applies to that game but your point still stands.

@@christianbethel bots =/= players

Ah ha, ah ha ha ha.

I came here to mention the same.

@@violent_jiggler I didnt notice that. Its been years since I watched those xD

The rant videos are always great.

3 years later and almost every triple A game is "live service" and some indie games are now following the trend

EA are scum.

yep. tabula rasa had a server emulator going and then they got C&D'd by the publisher. bricking games is one thing, but then actively going after them to ensure they stay bricked is straight up BS. (at least the city of heroes source got leaked, good for these assholes)

Definitely should be illegal to do that to buyers. It goes against moral standards for both consumers and businesses, EA are one of many who does the very thing you say @Raymond Saint but sometimes worse.

@@enragedflame319 You might want to read up on recent DMCA changes if you're in the U.S. It paints it more clearly that when you are unable to run software you have purchased, your EULA and any other contracts are voided, giving you the right to get it working for your personal use again.

Yeah. Blizzard shut down classic wow servers which are trying to preserve the experience people originally paid for

If you don't want to watch the video, the bold part of this comment is probably the most concise summary of it I could come up with.

I do agree that if people want to continue playing a game they brought, having that be easier is a good thing. I'm personally the type who moves on whenever I choose to, but just because that is how I am doesn't mean I would want other to do the same. If you brought and played a game ten years ago, and still till this day are able to play and enjoy it. More power to you, that's pretty amazing.

Thanks! If you think it'd be a good idea, you have my permission to pin my comment, copy the bold part of this comment into your own pinned comment/the description of this video, or use it in any follow-up videos you make on this one as a summary.

*customers Video games are inedible.

@@r0bw00d Consuming something is not limited to eating.

What's the significance?

​@@DoubleBob"Customer" generally implies buying goods while a "consumer" buys anything - goods AND services. Services tend to be paid for multiple times, as opposed to goods, which are usually paid for once. Customers can still purchase services, but generally it leans more towards purchasing goods.

@@user-xj5gs3zt6s To me it's more that "consumer" implies you're just buying something consumable, i.o.w. "disposable". A video game is not a sandwich. I pay $5 for a sandwich, I eat it once, and it's gone forever. A video game I pay $60 (now $70 ffs) for, and I play it as many times as I want. "Customer" just sounds nicer too, like I'm a human being walking into a store for something I want or need, "consumer" sounds like I'm just some kind of walking wallet-creature looking for something to quickly devour and then spit out money in response, then move on.

@James In what way should that decrease the search relevancy of this video and increase that of theirs? Surely the RU-vid search algorithm does not scrutinize the validity of the arguments contained within each video and then decide on the strength of those arguments which videos to promote. What are you suggesting exactly? What do you say is the cause of this phenomenon if there has been no deliberate action to suppress this video? Whether Ross is right or not is _irrelevant_ to whether the search results for this video have been tampered with.

He's obviously suggesting that RU-vid is in cahoots with the games publishers in an attempt to bury the opposition.

@@FestusOmega or the simple fact propaganda material agenst the simple fact based points he makes in this video....is artificiality made to be seen more by people searching on the topic....only validates the standpoint. Any product...held hostage as a service is fraud...blunt and simple. to provide services FOR a product is fair... but then the product should function WITHOUT it on its own to begin with.

Ironically, the algorithm recommended this to me. Might be because I just got off Uniquenamesaurus' video about streaming services and piracy.

Maybe the algorithm changed its tune in the 8 months since this was written because Ross' video is the first result even when i'm logged out entirely.

See quotes like this are what start cults.

A smart mind is dangerous

@@XxgoodbudsxX Not if it's not sober and not focused.

@@kenshy10 "cult" derives from the word "cultivate" so essentially it's cultivating minds to a certain frequency or whatever. Point is perhaps not all cults are bad...

Which game dungeon was that from?

@@dyedie1 deus ex

"Bleak" futures are just "The Future," not much distinction needed. Human nature at its finest.

*Does crunches on the floor* "Future! Future! Fuuuuture! Fuuuuuuuture!"

I wouldn’t put too much faith in the legal system. Not with its conservative tilt. Those Mofos bend over backwards protecting the interests of corporations.

Some devs like Team 17, Double Fine, and ID seem to be immune to doing fucked up shit. They remember BEING gamers and now run their ships so there is little to no "Corporate Chef" influence. I could see some suit telling Tim Schaffer "Hey we should add Chris Pratt, he's popular." and Tim just pouring gasoline all over the alpha computer and setting it on fire.

ID might have that ethos but they are owned by Bethesda and it will be degraded over time like how Blizzard had similar respect for its players before activision gradually degenerated it.

Give Id time :(

@@ZigealFaust Unfortunately, Double Fine did Broken Age. They were _not_ immune.

@@sponge1234ify Broken Age is a fire game doe, what do you mean?

Because the games are still live, we're talking about games that are no longer being serviced. There's also an issue on how the people who run these emulators often attempt to monetize on it, which becomes a legal issue in itself.

@@LetoZeth Battlefield 2 and 2142 had server emulators set up after those games died, which EA took down through DMCA

@@Odin314 - But Battlefield 2 is still live, I would know, I played it 2 years ago, I wouldn't know about 2142 though. And BF2 has dedicated servers available for people to use freely, what the fuck are you even talking about? Are you stupid?

​@@Odin314 That was probably the Battlefield Revive project, and EA took issue with them as they were distributing the full games themselves, not just merely restoring servers. So essentially, EA was trying to clamp down on distribution of games they pulled probably-permanently from sale & now only exist on PC Discs. To my knowledge, other community server projects like 2142 Reclamation that merely stick to servers have largely been left to continue.

its like them saying "we do not allow anyone to do our job for us, for free"

Agreed!

It is #1 on reddit on /r/games

Well, actually hit the like button this time.

No it shouldn't. Days Gone or MK11 should be stop being an elitist.

@@Darkstar_8473 i don't care about those

“But did you read the Eula” 🤓

THE MESSAGE first. Money second.

Discovering Ross Scott is an awesome thing. Happened to me and now he is always that "put down everything I Am doing as Ross released a video" haha

Just want to let people know, that whenever threads or posts are made in the Valve Steam Discussions and Off-Topic forum bringing attention to the Australian High Court's case against Valve, or other software ownership laws, rulings, logic, etc, a certain Steam moderator, going by the title "Spawn of Totoro" deletes it, and if it's someone else's thread, they often delete the posts specific to showing those things, and then lock the thread with any other comments in it to create a false appearance of consensus in the thread. They've been engaging in this unscrupulous behaviour for a long time, and they even block anyone who tries to discuss it with them on their Steam profile page (despite them being a moderator who should be able to discuss community issues). I've brought this issue up with Steam support on numerous occasions, and they offer no explanation or justification for "Spawn of Totoro's" behaviour, but say they won't do anything about it. I have a sense that this practice of hiding consumer rights and laws from their customers violates consumer rights in some way, and I've told Steam support that I'm going to report this to consumer rights groups (such as those in countries which have taken action and had victories regarding these matters before).

​@Romano Coombs No problem. This issue is of huge importance for ownership rights everywhere - not just involving games. And it's important for fighting back against oligarchy / plutocracy / corporatocracy. I hope that people will share this information in the Steam forums whenever they get the chance, such as when they see somebody answering someone's comment or question by telling them that they don't own their games (which, unfortunately, I see people responding with from time to time). Here's "Spawn of Totoro"'s Steam profile: steamcommunity.com/id/SpawnOfTotoro There are some "Spawn of Totoro" sycophants on the Steam forums that try to deny and obscure the fact that people own their software, including Steam-bought software. My experience with them is that they likewise run from discussing the issue when they're messaged on their Steam community profile pages. "The Giving One" is one such sycophant who works hard to try to frustrate efforts to talk about the law on software ownership: steamcommunity.com/id/TheGivingOne

Well it is not just games. Heck John Deer tried to do this by proprietary the tools needed to service them. You want your tractor fixed, you go through the "owners" which would be John Deer. That is the whole concept of the "service based industry" narrative of Consumer Captalisim. You don't own what you bought, you don't own your home, your life. You just pay money (often not by choice) to get access to what you bought.

So, why does this comment no longer appear in the Top Rated comments list?

Stacks of documents filled with technicalities and legal gymnastics, and other beurocratical nonsense.... vs "I just want to play the game I bought."

That's why I never played WOW. Buy the game, pay the subscription, pay for story installments, player enhancements do you can beat the upper level bosses or compete in PVP. Ridiculous. How old are you like 12 still using mommy and daddy like an ATM?

@@VegetoStevieD 3 tickets please. One of us is a student and I'll take a large pineapple daqari.

@@proteus2103 What?

Your example of Hitman 2 is anything but fine in any lick of the sense. It is the opposite of fine. I know what you're trying to say and I've read your entire comment but I can't help but disagree with you on this. GT Sport, exclusively on PlayStation 4, has an online DRM feature and without an internet connection, it's basically a glorified demo. I'm talking no unlocks at all and it's the most pathetic and anti-consumer strategy out of all the Gran Turismo games in its history. It is by far, far, far the worst.

I have always supported the abandonware preservation by fans. So many games and companies still try to whine at you for abandonware games. I know alot of people like gog but gog contributes to this ridiculous issue. Taking games abandonware then reselling them to make the people that blindly say downloading games is bas even if you are trying before you buy. Which has benefits as if it's a good game it will be bought it's a commong practice. A few indie devs have their games to download for free and got a ton of purchases from it. Abandonware btw means it's not supported so it's free to distribute which doesnt always mean its 5 years for the copyright to wear off. Its completely abandoned. Anyways my stance on this for many years has been in depth

OR you could just not buy those games. Do you really need laws against everything form of entertainment you don't enjoy? Just don't do them.

@@peterhoulihan9766 "just let the companies do the shitty anticonsumer practice" 🤡🤡🤡

​@@ethan2670 "It needs to be illegal for other people to enjoy things I hate." 🤡🤡🤡

corporate*

The law is on the side of the corporations. Legal action is futile unless the law is changed.

We only need your credit card number and the three digits on the back, so after the lawsuit takes place they can put money in your account

flatulence*

The law IS fraudulent.

Monalisa is a private properly so the owner have all the right to burn it, and if he have the copyright he have all the right to sue anyone making a copy. Loving something doesn't give you the right to appropriate it. What if I love your house, that give me the rit to use it without your concent?

@@EliosMoonElios Usually when a product was private property for too long, there exist something called public domain, which anyone can use said product however they are fit. This is done in order to preserver history and other details. A song that has been subjected to this for the longest is Happy Birthday.

@@EliosMoonElios Your argument is morally bankrupt, and based only on circular logic and a false analogy. Good thing the copyright law we have today didn't exist when the Mona Lisa or The Odyssey were created. I encourage you to research why the copyright privilege was created in the first place, and why it's temporary.

@@Yusuke_Denton I don't know about you, but I find the notion that things that belong to me don't actually belong to me to be the morally bankrupt position here. The Odyssey is more of an IP issue, but in the case of the Mona Lisa, a private owner would be completely within their rights to burn it - IF, that is, it hasn't been classified as a national treasure or something, which it probably has. But that's a separate issue.

@@SodomySnake Do you know *why* things get classified as national, historic or human treasures? It's because you, your mother or me, we don't matter at all - we're just a few voices amongst billions. Society matters, what we leave behind matters and that is why preservation of history is paramount.

The way most software is developed these days, "in documented state" is nearly impossible. They rush and crunch so much it effectively becomes a magic spell to bring the server up, that almost no one on the team understands how to do, except one guy that made it in the first place.

​@@TranscenGopher then they need to change how they develop software. either take the time to document it, or just... don't fucking make it rely on a server that they know is going to shut down and kill the game

@Ethan Oden The demand from @Behind TheWall was that the developers should know how their game works and to preserve that knowledge. I hope THAT is not to much to be asked for a game you ask money for, now is it?

@Ethan Oden You could start a private agency and ask for money, I am sure people could do something about that.

@@d1oftwins so you want them to openly share cimpany secrets.

I just wait a week for a smart person to remove the game's "need" for an internet connection. Then I pirate it and laugh riding off into the Sunset.

@@slyguythreeonetwonine3172 Is that when you buy a copy? When you download the crack?

@@bricaaron3978 I wouldn't call it a "crack" in the traditional sense. These days pirated games come "pre-installed" all you have to do is unzip the folder and start the game.

@@slyguythreeonetwonine3172 I didn't know that, but nevertheless -- when you download a game, do you also buy a copy at the currently available price? Because if you want to play games (as opposed to just boycotting them entirely), but don't _pay_ for them, how do you expect anyone to actually make games in the first place? As a charity? Are other people supposed to pay for games so you can play them for free?

@@bricaaron3978 I usually look at it as a "demo". Back when I first started playing PC games (mid 90s) demos were a huge thing. There have been tons of games I would have never bothered even looking at, that I've tried, and have loved (CKII, HoI, Skyrim, FO4, Kerbal Space Program) just to name a few, that I first demo'd enjoyed the hell out of, and within a few hours to a day, I've bought the game and transferred my saved game data from the demo to it. Beats the hell out of trying to read reviews for games where the Game Journos can't even play the First Super Mario Brothers, but expect me to take their (paid for) word that the game is good/bad. If it hurts them, maybe they will learn to scale games back instead of spending stupid amounts of money to make set piece games. Maybe they will remember to cater to the people who've played games since the 80s, instead of watering everything down so 4 year olds can also have fun "playing". If it destroys it, then meh, I have almost 40 years of video games both PC and console. With PCs that can run them all. That's another thing too, why buy a game when Microsoft will patch out your ability to play it in like 6 years when a new OS comes out? I am so glad I have a few PCs I've rigged up (My beloved XP machine) so that I can't still play games I've bought from the 90s. If they can LITERALLY steal a game back away from me, I'm not going to cry a single tear over stealing a new game from them. *Shrug* 2/3s of all my games have had that happen. And I'm just done being played for a fool anymore.

Thats the thing, when you buy a movie, game or music, you're not buying the products themselves, but the license to use said products. Geez. Horrible run on sentence I did there.

@@stanleybrodie16 The video explains why this is false.

@@stanleybrodie16 Actually, you are buying a digital copy of the media and have the right to use it just like you could any physical media. In some countries I believe you can even re-sell digital copies, which is something that I think should happen everywhere. Even though digital goods have been around for over 20 years, I still don't think it should be normal that you don't own things that you buy.

No no no.. you own a broken product. The premise is that they intentionally ‘broke’ your product. The question is what would be considered reasonable practices in this realm.

Lawyers fucked up, our rights

Not Mold Survivor. Mold Conqueror.

@@qew_Nemo Didnt he run from the mold?

Come on, guys. There's no point pretending, we all know Ross was consumed by the mold and replaced by a fungus-based clone.

Because real education catches your interest, not the BS you get at school.

You also forgot: graduated from MIT, worked for a secret underground government laboratory, survived alien onslaught (still trying to survive I suppose). And he can also recite the quantum chromo-dynamic gauge invariant Lagrangian in his sleep.

I was planning to comment on this exact thing. I wonder if those are shills for the software/game companies, or just that many morons watching RU-vid?

they feel threatened by ross's alpha beard

@@nachts9997 i think their favorite game is a service game and they are angry that ross is speaking the truth

Must be people working for these companies.

im engaging with the comments section for this reason

comment for the algorithm

i was recommended it but thats after jim sterling mentioned it XD i dont think the video is boring, i love it

Joining in on comment train

@@ince55ant Same here. Look, algorithm, a nested thread three comments deep!

And the whole Denuvo DRM issue that will condemn dozens of games that use it into becoming lost media when the activation servers for those games shut down years (if not decades down the line...)

And the new video Ross put out even more.

They want to play then let's play, drums. DRUMS!

I can play the electric guitars and flame throwers! >:D

How could pointing out corruption ever be boring? I always find it thoroughly enjoyable.

It's all about more, more, more.

I fully agree, what I don't get is why we need to make such games illegal. Just don't buy them, problem solved. Someone else buying them is not your problem.

@@peterhoulihan9766 consumer choices do not exist in a vacuum.

@@overratum Someone else's consumer choices are still not your problem. Or something you have a right to dictate. If someone else likes some thing you don't like then tough shit, it's their call.

@@peterhoulihan9766 if people buying poisoned food means more of the food I like starts getting poisoned because businesses are finding poisoned food to be profitable, it's my problem. You're right, it's tough shit if I don't like poison, but it's irrefutable that their choices to buy poisoned food create more of a demand for poisoned food, and to pretend supply and demand isn't consumer driven is pure ignorance.

Video that got Jesus crucified by Roman publishers (1BC)

Hahaha

@@Spartan4521 two weeks old, but jesus was born year 0 and died 33AD. AD=Anno Domini="year of our lord" =/= After Death.

Haha oops

I was listening to this while cleaning up the house, so all I could picture was Gordon Freeman navigating Black Mesa while ranting.

We absolutely must vote with our wallet. We need to help each other generate strong moral commitments to upholding only those practices that truely benefit the gamer. It’s backwards to think that all these companies focus on themselves

And to be ruthlessly objective it’s not even fucking hard to not implement shitty schemes. How is it that almost every single company is looking to ridiculously monetize their games even at the effects of the overall quality of the product. Plus The short sighted cash grab MVPs do not supplement for long term success. Producing games at such high quality that build a fan base for generations is what brings you more and more success. To keep iterating to building better and better. Just look at the battlefield series. One of my all time favorite series now turned into low common denominator bullshit riddled with micro transactions We get less and less content. And now they want to make sure we don’t even own our purchased good.

The problem is that we are the minority. Most people out there buy games with impunity and don't care about the ramifications to the industry as a whole. Companies get away with all this shit because they know that 90% of their consumers are either dumb, ignorant or don't care. We need to figure out how to get this information to a lot more people. Only then will things change.

@Anubis_X64 No Man's Sky STILL sucks... and DayZ is still better as an Arma2 mod...

I just started replaying GTA3 yesterday. Its almost 18 years old now.... Imagine the chances of a game that old remaining available via a subscription download model... Especially if someone decides its not politically correct or its offensive to ground owls or something. And with the streaming subscription model companies like Google are looking into, you wouldn't even be offered the choice to try and make it run on 10 years on.... Of they find it doesn't work, they'd just remove it completely.

The issue in your case is not fixing it, it's fixing it and sharing it with everyone else. Example would be: A mmo stops their servers, they send cease and desist letters to every person that is hosting their game. Meaning you download the game from their servers and play them on their servers. The problem is that you don't have the right to distribute the game, you only have the right to access the game. However, from my understand the way around that would be, that you own the game, install the game via your own installation, then apply a 3rd party patch that will make it work on a new server. This from my understanding should be perfectly fine. I know it's a bit of a roundabout way of doing it, but with my limited knowledge of law, it's how it works atm. Could be changed in the future ofc. If i'm wrong about this, then someone should correct me.

Breaking your disc is a false equivalency. As scheevy as it is most GAAS put in their terms of service, that you agree too, that they hold the right to terminate that service rendered to you and in most cases it stipulates this may be for "any reason". The thing is coming and brwaking your disc is illegal because of the breakin and entering and destruction of YOUR legally owned property. A GAAS and planned obsolescence are not covered legally as a consumer right because it's not technically your property they are "breaking" nor are they breaking and entering. I'm not saying this makes what they're doung right but until planned obsolescence is made illegal then this is not a legal infraction or legal fraud.

@@Raigekon i tend to think opposing piracy of a product no longer being sold is bs. If something you are no longer selling is duplicated from an existing copy you dont lose profit or product

@Demiurge Shadow It still needs to be challenged, regardless. Sure, it is technically not as comparable to the breaking and entering comparison made in the video, but it also falls in the "ToS", and "TaC" going against the word of the law, at least what little we have regarding things similar to this. Regardless how much of a safe crevice these fuckers think they're in, this can be stopped in it's tracks if brought up to the right authorities, and not the ones that can be bought out by those wanting to keep morphing gaming into a hideous monster that isn't even worth saving. GAAS is a perfect abbreviation for this shit, because it's a bunch of hot air, and often smells like something died which is unfortunately adequate of a comparison since in this case something always is.

@@nolives ​Tos/eula generally don't apply(in eu), tho they can ban you for cheating, they however cannot ban you for no reason. This generally just means they can stop you from accessing their server and even then they aren't allowed to do that for no reason. Further more, as long as you have a perpetual license you can you can do what you want to the game and no one is allowed to stop you.

I shouldnt have to disable my computers network adapter. You say "modem" as if its as simple as unplugging a modem, or turning off your wifi. it is not.

That's only for a limited time also, after some time without playing you CANNOT start the game if you're offline. You ALWAYS have to log in every once in a while.

there is mods already to GTA

I was filled with rage after buying a new copy of GTAV, installing it, then discovering it required a 60GB update to play, causing my data cap to be exceeded. So I paid for the game, but in order to play what I just purchased, I have to pay for downloading patches that should have been on the disc, and also the penality of going over my cap. Its yet another case where businesses comprimise their services or products which results in the consumer having to literally pay for those compromises, on top of the purchase price.

@@evo-labs Holy shit! 60GB is a lot. My ISP has no limits, but I can see you you feel. If it were a phone (my limit is 6GB/month), you would be throwing yourself off a cliff. Maybe you can apply for an update (on, er, a whole pile of DVDs)? It's kinda like buying a Volkswagen, then having to pay the postage on a replacement for the fraudulent car they sold you. But how did you buy it originally? Download? Surely not, if you had to download it again. DVDs? On a pendrive? On an SSD? How??? I'm dying to know.

Ross actually talks about this in his Game Dungeon episode on Trackmania Canyon (at around half the video or later, but more specifically at 38:38). In that game (and a few of the other expansions) the graphics went through a compulsory update that improved a handful of visuals, but ruined plenty of others and removed several functionalities (edit: including split-screen play, which was included at launch) altogether. I agree with him and with you: there's a financial incentive for developers/publishers to kneecap old titles that people enjoy as-is to encourage sales of new titles!

@@ChainCJ yeah. That and lets be frank. With the software we have nowadays, both in PC and consoles, everyone just pushes for a shitty, nice looking game. New isn't always better. Sadly. Stop making the economy run on every sweated scent and let people breath a little. Money will be spent. It doesn't have to be the second anything new comes out.

That's still a con, it's only a pro for the companies. It makes sense from a money making standpoint, but not at all for the people playing the games.

Battlefield players feel this

if you make the perfect game and only one person buys it how you marketed it if at all if its perfect if at all when and how you released it Where the claim of perfection is coming from what was the pricing like where is this game available what currencies are accepted who is it published by what is the recognition status of the studio that made it ALL of this has more at play with how much money you get for this game not JUST pointing fingers at a guy who may have cracked it after buying it and spread its copies around My issue is with most developers these days is they don't ask "what makes a pirate want to BUY a game even AFTER they have already pirated it?" And usually the answer is a non answer. It is honestly typical to just go "well i will just make it so its impossible to pirate" and now you have all these DRM and cryptography measures and bullshit that turns this into a game as a service that is un-piratable yes, but avoids answering the question, and eventually becomes vapor ware and un-archivable. the ultimate praisal of the game is to pirate it when it lets itself be vulnerable to that and buy it anyway later on. because this action feels deserved. In this moment the true value of your game is shown, when someone who is given the option to "steal" and get away with it choses to give back to you of their own accord, and without contract. Without threat or coercion. no external factors. Purely a decision made with the sole agency of the audience. That decision is infinitely more meaningful than a potential pirate not being able to pirate your game at all since its online only. now the ultimate judgement of your game's value will never be known. Do you want your vision to be stored and playable long after you are gone or do you want that bag You CAN have an in-between and it all comes down to how you compromise on your DRM strategy, server contingency, player trust and player freedoms in-game, and your pricing/monetization strategy.

There's no need to "believe" ;P The deliberate nature is quite obvious and PROVABLE from a business (money making) standpoint.

This has been something I've felt for years as a result of "rares" in Runescape Classic going on to become very valuable in the current game due to their limited availability. I've done things in other games simply for the sake of not wanting to miss out on items like that that could potentially be valuable in years to come. It's a scummy thing to do in my opinion, making items available only for a limited time. Unless you can buy them with in-game currency afterward at least.

Nah, you just haven’t convinced enough people learning and information is power and entertainment in and of itself. What is the point of knowledge if you don’t share it?

No, u r an absolute ledge

People say "streaming is the future" but the future is what we want and i am not seeing anyone who says "yeah playing on stadia is better then on ps4" People are dumb

The amount of inclusion for this level of GAAS would be astronomical. I'm just wondering if you could even include every company that's on that list of GAAS as one single case in one courtroom? But I suspect that would be inefficient, and would have to do everything on a case-by-case basis with all of those companies (Or as Ross puts it, 94% of them).

@@Foreststrike Combining cases is common in civil matters.

Looking forward to city of titans.

Echo VR is another victim. Smh...

I got attracted by how funny his head looks, like a cartoon character.

Same here

I think RU-vid offered this to me because I keep watching Jim Fucking Sterling Son and his critiques on the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA industry and their "live service" products.

Now go watch his Freeman's Mind series.

Now go watch Freeman's Mind series.

Agreed. I'm spreading this as far and as wide as I can.

Just want to let people know, that whenever threads or posts are made in the Valve Steam Discussions and Off-Topic forum bringing attention to the Australian High Court's case against Valve, or other software ownership laws, rulings, logic, etc, a certain Steam moderator, going by the title "Spawn of Totoro" deletes it, and if it's someone else's thread, they often delete the posts specific to showing those things, and then lock the thread with any other comments in it to create a false appearance of consensus in the thread. They've been engaging in this unscrupulous behaviour for a long time, and they even block anyone who tries to discuss it with them on their Steam profile page (despite them being a moderator who should be able to discuss community issues). I've brought this issue up with Steam support on numerous occasions, and they offer no explanation or justification for "Spawn of Totoro's" behaviour, but say they won't do anything about it. I have a sense that this practice of hiding consumer rights and laws from their customers violates consumer rights in some way, and I've told Steam support that I'm going to report this to consumer rights groups (such as those in countries which have taken action and had victories regarding these matters before).

"this isn't a machine with moving parts" yes and no, depending on whether you consider millions of signals bouncing off of transistors as movement. this process produces a lot of heat and is why cpus deteriorate over time; gradual heat damage. this doesnt just apply to phones, pcs with better cooling typically last longer. your phone noticeably slowing down after an update is pretty suspect, though theres a possibility that the updated software is increasing cpu strain. though I definitely wouldn't put it behind phone manufacturers to intentionally damage old phones to incentivize buying new ones. thats why I bought a samsung after my iphone got too slow, haha. working fine after 6 years

@@Skyfoogle just stop

@JustusGregorius There's an intermission..... That was well-timed though.

Which made it easy for me to listen to it all in one go.

Hello people of past. Just gonna say that RU-vid puts in ads (even if Ross wants them in or not) forcibly. The more you know about RU-vid

I automatically assumed this was before the adpocalypse, and thus figured it wasn't needed. Turns out, this isn't even a year old...wow. need to update my notifications settings.

Please donate on his website. Even if it's a dollar.

To some extent. If I remember correctly the standard is that a reasonable person wouldn't be satisfied, based on the product's intended use and it is only applicable for the expected lifespan of the product. I don't know what that time period is for computer games but many electronic goods are only expected to have a lifetime of a couple of years.

@@michaelkenner3289 So, it'd come down to the judge and how the case is presented. Electronic hardware is expected to only have a relevant lifetime of a couple years/half a decade or so, but software? There's plenty of much older software still being supported, patched and the like. I'd expect given that, a judge would see the whole "Have GaaS if you want, but when you're shutting the servers down you need to take steps to ensure the playerbase can at least attempt to keep it going themselves" way of doing things. (eg. Releasing the server code, patching the MP stuff out of the client side software or even something such as starting an Open Source project to allow the games community the chance to fix it with help from the actual devs, etc.)

@@TheDemocrab it's a fairly subjective standard as far as I'm aware. I'm not a lawyer and don't know the case law that sets the precedents involved. I think you could certainly make good arguments to that effect. It's basically what the ACL is intended for.

​@@michaelkenner3289 Definitely. That's why I think a judge would view "Do something to allow the community to support it if they want to" as a reasonable middle ground.

Australian Consumer Law is actually pretty great and I think that what Ross has talked about would be fairly easy to enforce under the current understanding of the law here. What I could see being a problem is that if Australia was the only country to successfully do this, game companies would just not sell or block their games from being sold here (Or being used as a service). We have a fairly low population which means it's pretty easy for publishers just to write our country off. This has happened before when we had our problems with games being refused classification in our country. A lot of publishers took a look at us and just said it's not worth making the changes and they could do it again here.

Well also those assets are free with Unreal Engine. SO they did in fact give you the ability to fix it if you wanted.

Wouldnt matter if they did, as long as we got them recognised as a 'good' and not a 'service'.

There's a way to provide "games as a service" that is TRULY a service, and that would be the Netflix model, in which the consumer pays a monthly service fee (you could call it a rental fee or a streaming fee) and can continue to play the game or games for the entire time they are paying that monthly fee, and can no longer play the games when they stop paying the monthly fee. Where it breaks down is when the consumer pays the entire cost up front for a perpetual license, and at some point in the future the game is bricked by the publisher. That's the practice that needs to be stopped.

GabeN once said that any game purchased on steam will be unlocked should steam ever shut down. I Imagine you'd get a limited amount of time to download and burn disks or slam it into a ssd. Of course that doesn't include any online elements meaning games that rely on that will not survive any way.

Boost the signal, share the link. TheQuartering, YongYea etc. look for others that have spread the link and leave a thumbs up on each of these comments. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bey7NMizxA0.html There are 2 boosts on Jeremy's pinned comment, from me and someone else who has around 17 likes. Do your part! o7

At least you can record movies and music.

Not the same. You have a monthly subscription and there are alternative options (Dracula Twilight analogy doesn't work on software as a service). Use an alternative software to make your toast.

I don't think that's quite the same thing. My dad works with PS and is thankful for the new subscription-based model. He used to have to pay thousands (!) of euros to get each of the newer versions of the programs every time they released. It's now actually cheaper and a decent compromise, for both hobbyists and studios. Things could be better, of course, but alternatives are rising too (I'm using CSP personally). Don't know about Autodesk though. If you look into things, the ones that get the real shit end of the stick are architects. Have you seen how costly their softwares are? It's unbelievable.

Software as a service is subscription based, you don't buy a license that later becomes useless. Unlike Pleb I PREFERRED when I could just buy the complete Adobe package, but now that they're on subscription i didn't have much difficulty adapting to a new product. They simply lost a customer, and I STILL have my (old) versions of adobe suite.

I actually work for a company that provides software as a service and it helps out smaller businesses that can't afford to purchase servers, maintenance staff, and other such things that we provide when we provide them access to our software. We have built in disaster recovery, fail over, and backup as part of what we offer and it is in no way harming our customer base.

@@plebmcpleb5761 wouldn't it be OK to use the older version? I think even the older version is quite extensive. Unless there are new features that he won't have access to with old feature. I would rather pay for say Office 2013 for one fee, and use it for as long as I can, instead of paying monthly few for office 360

This would make an incredible Business Law lesson

I would compress this into a direct to the point video, but hey even h3h3's goofy videos are presented as evidence in the court.

Well, at least they're telling us when they're ending, so at least they're better than EA. Also, people who buy the 3D Collection will be able to play it after it stops being sold. The Mario battle royale won't be playable after it ends, but it's free, so I'm not sure if it counts as GaaS.

@@WeirdBrain What I'm hoping happens is the games become purchasable individually after that date. Then eventually we'll get SMG2. But it's Nintendo we're talking about. Lest we remember what happened to the Wii shop.

I feel like Ross had that in mind when he made this.

I think this video is easily on par with university level lectures in terms of quality in that it's intensely boring, around ten times longer than it needs to be and repeats it's point endlessly.