Agreed. I have not found anything that is truly a space marine replacement. Everyone is doing their own thing which is fine. I came back to the hobby looking for 'truescale' parts and was surprised to find not a lot of choice. Much better than a decade ago for sure, especially with primaris existing. Good to see some names still around like puppetswar. The biggest downside to their parts is how the upper torso is stuck to the legs.
If you want to paint some fists, and have yellow ink/contrast, do the pink approach. Can put pink in the shaded/normal area, use a white ink to highlight etc, and then spray yellow ink/contrast over the top. This turns the pink in to orange, and gives a really dark, noticeable gradient, that really pops. Dana howl did it on some tyranids once, it's gorgeous.
I’m all over this already, don’t you worry! I ordered some pink ink but it didn’t arrive in time for filming this unfortunately but when I paint some more I’m going down that route!
You can also try Craftworld's way: cold red (Khorn red) in the shadows and magenta in the light ones. It will give you a nice variation of orange to yellow tones.
This feels like an 8min long advert for a company that sponsored the video. The more interesting question for me is whether you would consider the models in the same light if they did not sponsor the video? Do the models stand up on their own right? Liking your content for the most part, keep up the good work!
@Nathan Oldacres - yes, they’re a company I have bought from in the past and I am a genuine fan of their STLs. If I don’t like a product then I generally won’t support/use/advertise for them. In fact I have recently turned down sponsorships because I didn’t like the products they sell. My new printer was sent to me even though I had one previously from the same manufacturer that I bought myself so even if it hadn’t been sent to me I’d have probably still bought one. I make sure to mention brands because I know that people will ask about it in the comments if I don’t.
@@JamesEarlCash Yeah there should be a clarfication that these are the best space marine models, that dont have actually anything similar to 40k space marines except being big and having chunky armor
@@davidstomberg8737 dude has a point they dont look like 40k which is why they are not taken down the jet packs look goofy and personally i hate the squared off armor plates. doing further into disecting them the legs are essential to large rectangles there is no really intresing shapes there just bulk to be bulky. the jetpacks honestly look like they are about to rip of the back of the model not like it is actually apart of the suit
I can definitely see that they’re a bit boxier, but I think that’s why I like them. I don’t get on with painting the more ‘spherical’ marines - give me lots of edges to edge highlight!
I wouldn’t - I generally like Games Workshop too but I just don’t like painting their Space Marines. They’re my nemesis. I’ve never painted one that I’ve been totally happy with!
Fully agree with both your statements. And lets not forget how much easier it is to make models for printing instead of injection molding. There is so much you neet to do to get a model realy for injection molding. GW models would have way more detail if they made models for printing.
@@SliverCreations whatever the issue is GW really needs to resolve thier availability of thier products! I started to get into WH40K and stopped because of that issue, over 3k difrent sculpts in thier 40k universe but you cant purchase 90% of them!, maybe more! Crazy
@@MrDUCKMAN5555 if you spent as much time you need to make a model ready for injection molding as for optimizing the 3d print model. It's really reliable but far more expensive slow and worse materials. Injection molding is king
The thing I like about PuppetsWar is they have a huge catalogue of specialty heads. So even if you don't want to buy or print the whole models, you can stick them on regular Space Marines to really differentiate them.
@@BenjisHobbies Probably one of the most amusing options they have are two separate kits for "vampire" heads (one just dudes with fangs, one more of a nosferatu look). Great for Blood Angels, if you want to lean into that theme.
I've printed a few of these and the rotor strikers. They're chunky and aggressive and a joy to paint. Also you can leave the jet packs off, put on some applicable power-packs and have some great "primaris" sized marine squads. I love the versatility of the magnet option.
That’s part of my next project with these guys - making ‘normal’ Primaris dudes for Kill Team. I’ll probably paint the jet packs anyway and magnetise them because I think they look pretty cool!
Bye the way, a tip for push fit models. Yes I know these were not push fit but the thought occurred while I was typing. You know that it is difficult to push models together that have those little pin and plugs without leaving a gap. The reason this is the case is the pin is so snug fitting into the plug that there is no room for the air to escape and you actually create a pressure imbalance that stops the parts coming together. You could actually damage the model with the pressure required for a flush fit. Two solutions. 1 Shorten the length of the pin by half which will get you a closer fit. 2 With a really fine drill bit in your pin vice, drill into the plug holes at the bottom or at an angle finishing at the bottom to allow air to escape. More of the pin goes into the plug which is better if you don't want to use glue.
If you don't have a printer, Puppetswar sells the printed pieces too. I haven't tried their space marines, but I'm using their heads for Imperial Guard and they fit perfectly, especially on the new Cadian infantry! 👍⭐⭐⭐
These look good. For other spacemarine-like models i recommend Anvil Industries' "exo lords", they have a more realistic militaristic look to them, so anyone who wants realistic and less sci fi looking marines should pick them up
The models really look cool, they kinda blend some elements from StarCraft, as they look a bit more militaristic than the traditional warrior monk space marines. On the other hand I really don't like the jump packs: they are too large and the way they protude way from the marines's backs is really weird, I would rather have them more flush with the marine's backs. I would certainly print out some traditional assault marine jump packs and use them instead, they are still the best looking jetpacks in SciFi IMO 😅 I wonder how those puppetswar marines compare to both firstborn and Primaris in size, though.
These printed out roughly the same size as Primaris but you can easily resize them if you want them bigger/smaller. For the next lot I make I’ll be doing them without the backpacks - they’re not an essential part of the model 😊
Couldn't help but notice that your 3 favorite factions were the same 3 that rallied the 2nd empire during the Horus Herecy and the war for Terra... I've found many have the same 3 favorites, those being the sons of Guilliman, Sanguinius, and Dorn. The lore surrounding them is hard to beat.
You know what these are? 50k marines, the boxy armour comes as standard, due to further protection/reinforcement with the plate, also integrated are pistons to further increase the users movements. A new lighterweight compound is discovered and used , giving standard line troops the same protection as terminators with all the benefits of artificer armour.....tendons of the marine and fibre strands are connected to the suit, sealing them in, the suit hosts more functions than ever to compensate for extended use. Repair is a matter of the biological and mechanical. An easy explanation for the design.
I want to like the style of these models but something, especially in the final (and nicely) painted product just doesn't gel. I mean, if I were to look at these I would call them cool but...not better. I do believe a lot of comments nailed it with these being more of a "spaces but in a different game universe". The edges make the model busy and doesn't let the person "look" at the model cleanly, more time is spent figuring out what stops where instead of seeing cool details which there isn't much of, more reliance on sharp edges and sudden raises to create interesting shapes than more subtle details. Taking a look at some GW space marines I have and comparing to these in the video, these guys have that "trying hard" energy to them while standard marines just flow. Certainly I feel there is a certain stylistic choice GW makes in that their models will tend towards having some form of curves in their design, trying extremely hard not to have straight lines unless on tanks (and that tends to be only for imperium). These guys are all hard lines, hard edges and little to no smooth surfaces. I know it sounds weird to say but they are "uncomfortable" to look at, your eyes constantly having to go across hard edges over and over again. Not that they aren't nice but the end product just feels flat, the lack of subtle details you find on GW models just helps them pop. Hard to convey my words. Again, nice looking models but certainly not better. (and wouldn't call them bad ether, would be kind of cool to see an army of this style across the table).
You took the words right out of my mouth with my feelings on the models, its why I never bought any of the space marine line. Although I can understand his unenjoyment with GW's space marines as I really can't stand cadians. The lore is fine but I want more variety.
My man! I am in the middle of editing a video with these guys as well, I'm making a diorama with the Jet Back Strikers, Rocket Orcs and Winged bug warriors, should have the video out in a few days. These are really nice miniatures. I have had a great experience with these files as well. Keep up the great content.
Ah man I can’t wait to see that! It’s going to look awesome! I’m so impressed with the minis. I’ve been a long time admirer of them so to get to actually use them in a video has been a joy!
@@agent_dex8996 haha thanks! Yeah I think us guys on YT move in swarms, Benji here has a great channel. Yeah I'm going to end up with 4 video in total on puppets war minis i think lol, the main diorama build video, then painting tutorials on the, Wing Bug Warriors (out now), Jet Pack Striker, and Rocket Orc.
Actually, I think these would be amazing for some Tau Marines. The angularity and flat panels would make them blend right in with some Battlesuits and Fire Warriors.
There are quite a few bits from Puppets War i like, but not the general look of most complete miniatures. I regurlarly recognize some PW bits on some models, also a lot on YT. I LOVE their BIG MOMMA cannon that fits on a Rhino, and with some fiddling in a Land Raider. They also have some cool scenery.
Now with a 3D printer a modeler can make every mini he wants. These minis are really beautiful, but the only real problem is the cost of the whole hardware, you need not only the printer, but also the accessories for curing the resin.
If those look as Space Marines to you, than you would not notice difference if I would put rubber Smurfs miniatures on the table... That being said, those minis look really great! It's just generic futuristic soldier, his armor should be sterile white, or military green, not heraldic red blue or something. There is not a single bit in this edgy armor which says 'we don't know how to make those anymore, so we just copying and pasting'... (and I don't see nothing wrong in playing with Smurfs either!)
I think the whole reason for magnets was saving money on buying 2 or 3 of the same box from GW. now that we can print for cents I just glue everything and print another if I want a 2nd version.
a littl trick I picked up recently from a pro painter. foe edge highlighting you don't want thinned paint, it should be drier, as it's almost like a controlled dry brush. you can get much crisper lines this way. Honestly I never would have thought of this. Unfortunately I've not tried it myself yet, so I don't know exactly how dry you want the paint to be. Might be worth testing it ut though.
I recently placed my first order with Puppetswar for a few parts I'm using on a custom Terminator. I was happy to see there wasn't much flashing or anything I had to clean off, and the parts don't feel brittle. I can't say I'd recommend these as replacements for GW models because they are SO different, but they're definitely good quality for decent prices.
really like Puppets War myself as well, I really like how they are making each release being able to mixed and matched :-) There are a couple of creators I think are way better than GW stuff tbh.
I see what you like about em but I like the rounded shapes of spehs mareenz what space marines might be missing is a few details on the helmet and backpack, but I know they should remain minimal cause in the end they are miniatures. designwise they are great
There should be a clarification that these are the best space marine models, but not actual 40k space marines since they have no linking design details to those models or actual 40k space marines outside the fact they have big chunky armor
Yeah I don't understand why GW still insists on it's ridiculous prices they know 3D printing is a thing that exists now right? Like...Come on, the jig is up. Time to bring that shit down a little.
I will get into 3D printing this year. I will get into 3D printing this year. I will get into 3D printing this year. I will get into 3D printing this year. I will get into 3D printing this year. 🤣
I really can't pick just one chapter so my preferred is actually going with deathwatch and I can make any chapter as well as some more obscure chapters as long as I can get my hands on a shoulder peace for it and I like how their shoulders can pop that way I was like the look that they're all deathwatch but like oh he's a ultramarine wait that's a dark angel hey that's a blood Angel that's also a blood Raven Etc
definitely have gundam angles and servo bits motiff, but compared to the rounded cinderblocks of GW, these look pretty decent. maybe make the pistols and rifles 1.5x bigger and they would look pretty dang good.
Blood Angels were, and still arey first Legion. I have played White Scars, and Dark Angels lists, but find Blood Angels are still mu go to. Since I have branched to CSM. Great video, great looking models.
I started with Dark Angels in early 2nd edition as the first 40k minis I ever bought were Deathwing Terminators (the name was what did it for me I think) I didnj;t know they were part of Dark Angels, but I endedn up collecting some more minis to go with them. I moved on Eldar next, but then picked up Blood Angels 3rd (because of the Death Company metal box that came with a Chaplain) I played BA until I fell to chaos mid 2nd edition when I realised we could summon Daemons in 40k. Khorne Daemons back then were insanely OP, the Blood Thirster was pretty much un killable until the Vindicare Assassin came out for Guard. I think that was the first mini that ever gave my Blood Thirster any Trouble. Only worked once though as I summoned Bloodletters in to tie it up next time I faced one. Today I have a Death Guard army and a Primaris Black templar army. Thinking about starting an Eldar army again though, now they have eventually gotten a range refresh. Going to have to wait till I get my airbrush and 3d printer though I think.
Hey Benji, great channel! I found your video on creating more Veteran Guardsmen from the Kill Team boxed set. You can do the same with your extra arms in the Deathwatch Veterans boxed. I made 14 marines from that box. I had a question with your wash and cure station. Are you using alcohol or something else like simple green? How often do you have to change the liquid? I have these questions because in the video when you turn it on you can see the cloud of sediment that gets stirred up.
Awesome stuff man - I’m glad you’re enjoying my videos and finding them useful! I’m using isopropyl alcohol in the wash station. I’ve not had to change it yet but it’s had a lot of heavy use recently as I’ve been printing off some chunky terrain bits. I’ve used around a bottle’s worth of resin so far and the sediment in there is from that. It’s still fully useable even with some sediment in it 😊
How is it that so many of these Warhammer Hobby youtubers also have super pleasing and easy to listen to speaking voices 😂😂☝☝☝ thanks for the video, good stuff man ! Just discovering your channel, I love your style, your speaking voice and narration style is extremely professional 👌 great video. Keep it up 💪💪
Hahaha! Thanks so much man! I’ve been practicing with it for year 😜 Thanks again for your kind words and I hope you enjoy my upcoming videos (as well as my old ones!)
@@BenjisHobbies They're based in the Ukraine and I've used their domestic postal service twice now without any problems. Personal favorites have to be the MKII and MKV armor variants I've used to create 30K Blackshield / Heretic Astartes at a more realistic Primaris scale.
They look too 'futuristic' for a Grimdark setting. They're cool and all but I don't feel like they fit the 40k narrative. These models' space suits look really prestine and 'robotic' when in fact Space Marine armour should look like bulky, ceramite Knights armour. Looks too advanced overall.
Puppetswar make some great stuff, been meaning to pick up some of their heads and shoulder pads for a while now. Personally with a bit of tweaking I could see these making for some great looking Survivors of The Dark Age models for a Horus Heresy Imperial Militia army.
The danger is if you go out in the sun/UV light with liquid resin on your skin. These were completely dry. There is minimal danger from handling these.
I like the pose ability but I think these look a bit too modern Gundam-ish for me amd I prefer a bit more old school space punk crusader heresy look. Nice job though painting them!
So how come there aren't any companies that make actual proxies that look like basic space marines? There's no way copy right is a thing because China makes some of the greatest fakes of big brands. If I can get a pair of jordan 1 fakes that are identical to legit pairs, without that company ever getting in trouble, they can absolutely make little pieces of plastic identical
These are really modern, great looking marines, not like those Hippy Bell bottom pants wearing Space marines from Games Workshop that look like they escaped from the seventies.
Great video, as far as which other chapters would have been cool, with the slightly more futuristic equipment of the PuppetsWar minitures, maybe a Salamanders colour scheme would have worked by saying the jump packs are a new design that Vulcan was working on before his disappearance.
How likely do you think a future is were GW no longer makes miniatures themselves, but endorse and promote sellers that give a percentage? Another idea is endorsed gaming clubs that ask a small contribution fee (or optional like Patreon) and again pass on a percentage. Ideally those clubs or some kickstarter international fanclub buys shares of GW, slowly (might take two decades) becoming the primary owner. Those clubs might just be a handful of local players that pool resources so not everyone has to buy their own 3D printer. Or clubs can be a hierarchy of regions, and also include the whole tournament scene. When it's no longer some nameless suits, but the hobby itself profiting, people won't mind as much spending money. With cheap but high quality endorsed 3D printing it's less of a threshold and with clubs people might freely loan, sell, trade or donate armies.
I made a 1k point army of these, although I did reduce the size of the jetpacks, for OPR. BTW, did you check out the biker files? I think they're my favorite models from PuppetWars.
These look nice, but they dont look like Space Marines, they have a way to high tech look for the imperium, however I could see them as Human Defectors that joined the Tao.
Shame the price is more prohibitive than GW for anoyone in aus/nz, dunno about the self-print ones but a set of heads and jumppacks cost about the same as a full squad. Shipping is NOT fast either
Great video! Those minis look sick, just as good as the GW ones. Also after watching this I think I went a little over the top on my mercury plus wash station plug...😅
Not even gonna lie here... this kind of stuff is why I want to get my own 3d printer. I want to play battletech and having games like Dawn of War just gives me an RTS itch that *NEEDS* apocalypse-size armies going head to head.
The Mars pro two has a filter in it, doesn't it? I was going to get the mars 3, but don't think it has one. Also with Contrast through the AB, do you thin it at all with medium? I'm picking up either the CoP Evo or Infinity next month. I was thinking of getting a 3D printer as well, but I think I'll wait till I can afford the wash and curing station at the same time. Means I can spend more on getting my air brush station up and running this month. How are you finding the little Sparmax as well, please? is it the tankless one, how loud it is? I was thinking about getting the bundle with the sparmax, but might get a compressor with a tank instead. The small size is appealing TBH though. You can get one with a tank, but Artis Opus don't have it any more, and it's quite a bit more expensive from Element.
@@BenjisHobbies Those came out really good, Id love to see the full settings, if you felt up to it, but 2.5 layer time seems good, Ive been figthing my epax printer for months to get decent prints, thinking of getting a new one
Errmmm… in all honesty I couldn’t tell you - it’s all a bit trial and error! I usually adjust the pressure and test it on a piece of paper (or the back of my hand) and then start airbrushing on the mini. Sorry I can’t be any more help than that!
I like your points and I see the resemberlance , but I bought 2 x veterans and one tactical squad for 500pts of lamentors. I prefer GW marines but again like your ideas 💡 everyone's hobby is different
I would choose the ultramarines, they are my personal favourite legion. I like them because of their heroic character, their pragmatism, and way of warfare.
To mech suit looking. jump pack position is way to high. no Imperial Aquila or anything that looks like it on the chest, then again no room on the chest. Only good thing to say about these models is well done on the paint Job!
