Gamo Swarm Magnum vs Hatsan 135 .30 Cal "FPS vs FPE" Who is the Champ? by Airgun Detectives 

I have to say that measuring the fpe at the muzzle and at 40 yards just might be the most helpful data I've seen on any air rifle review. Thank you very much for that.

Thanks for that. I like that you gave us the energy of the pellet at distance. Now that is real world useful information.

Well done! One of the best comparison videos I've seen so far.

As a Engineer myself and plenty of school about testing with some experience of testing things, I would have to say this is the best test on all of you-tube right now for great information,--and I am only 8 min into the vid. You cross the "T's"and dot the "I's" well. Outstanding sir. Thank you for being a true airgun detective.

That was a good comparison. I love shooting the 135 in 30 cal. Mass over speed is sometimes hard to understand. It’s kinda like a car vs a train. Thanks !

Great review on both rifles bro,u did a wonderful job on comparing their velocities an foot pounds of energy at 20an 40 yards.Your tests proved that the heavier pellets are better for hunting at long distances

Me&wifey appreciate this video I just brought the hatsan30cal&she just brought the gamo swarm magnum muti shot we love them both.

Love your channel, you do the most comprehensive testing.

I love this test, I wish you would do more like this. However in my personal experience in squirrel hunting I’ve learned energy isn’t everything and lobbing massive pellets at a fox squirrel doesn’t always grant great penetration despite the energy. I’m happier with a little smaller pellet going quick that slows down quick once it enters the game and it seems to do a little better. That’s just real world testing in my case and food for thought! Great video as always I can’t wait to see more

You got a good workout to produce this video. Thank you very much for the comparison and the analysis that you gave at the end. It helps me understand the foot pounds of energy versus the weight of the pellet.

Thank you so much for answering in great detail which of the 2 guns I was actually deciding to buy. You really helped me to decide on a question I never would have known otherwise being at the mercy of manufacturers claims. Great job !

This is the best head to head comparison with break down that I have seen. I am very new to airguns, it started a month ago when my nephew got his 1st air rifle. I have enjoyed time at different ranges for over 30 years though, watches countless comparison videos of thousands of different firearms, done by hundreds of pros and experts. I can't remember making from beginning to the end of many of them. Thank you for your time and effort, Happy New Year!

I think showing what rifle has more penetration would be very interesting. That’ counts almost as much as your other tests. Great 👍 job.

Providing downrange FPE analysis is great! Most video reviews only provide FPE at the muzzle. Nice work JC!!

I had no idea about the VORTEX gas top off !!! That is an excellent tip. I own 4 vortex Hatsans and have never checked them. I look forward to it. Thanks !! - Mike in CA.

I own both and am extremely pleased with them. In My opinion : Hunting Power in these Rifles is not much unlike in comparison to a .22 Rim Fire VS an actual 30 caliber Rifle bullet ... they can both do the job on most pests or upon edible game with proper shot placement . Many hogs and coyote carcasses across Texas can attest to this fact . Great Video . Looking forward to more

That was a very well executed analysis with good variables and conditions. Good work

Great job. Well presented and to the point. A pleasure to watch. Thanks for providing all the side by side numbers 👍

That. Was a Great review on those two air guns ! So I bought Both because of your test of the two best break barrels , Great work , Keep it up !!!

Great info, thanks. I own both versions of the Hatsan 135, and did not know about the filler hole on the compression tube. I wold be nice to see a wider selection of .30 cal pellets. Maybe solid copper or something similar. fyi, the mass density of gold is 19.3 g/cc, lead is 11.4 g/cc, copper is 9.0 g/cc, aluminum is 2.7 g/cc.

That's a really good comparison video. Thanks.

I’ve been watching for a long time and this is by far the best test I’ve seen you do! I would love to see these kinds of energy tests on other guns. Thank you for always showing affordable and realistic guns at all ranges it’s much appreciated bc all other channels have sold out to the 1500$ + category. Good review JC

A sign that a guy is a good shot. Shooting through a crony at 40 or more yards. :)

Absolutely THE BEST WAY to test!

Thank you very much! Great demonstration and break down.

I think you just helped me decide on my first air rifle. 😄 Thanks for the data! Keep up the good work!

2 years later and these are still the break barrels to own. Only problem with the Gamo is they can't keep up with the demand for the .22 apparently. Can get a .177 though. Same thing with the 135 but the same powerplant is available with the synthetic stock. So this makes the decision easier. I calculated ammo coast for this test (based on current pyramdair prices) and it costs $3.81 to shoot the .30 cal 30 times. That drops to $1.08 for the .22. From reading reviews Hatsan customer support is almost non existent compared to Gamo, another negative. But if I can't even find one for a reasonable price that means nothing. Think I'll split the numbers and go for the Hatsan in .25 from a reputable dealer. Best of both worlds and opens up A LOT more ammo choices for quite a bit less money. Thank you for helping me make up my mind! Lol happy shooting

Someone needs to make a 42 grain ballistic tip in 30 cal

Why would anyone give this AWESOME video a 👎? IT'S THE BEST AIRGUN REAL WORLD REVIEW EVER!!

Amazing - watching you pull those barrels down for that long at that pace was almost as breathtaking for me as it was for you. I have a couple of 135's in the Vortex model and my pace is considerably slower than that. Many thanks for the Hot Tip on the pressure adjustability.

Great video and information. Thanks a lot! Best wishes

thankx for your real workout effort hope it doesn't effect your biceps 🤗. you efforts to share understandable knowledge is priceless. GOD bless you

I have a pellet suggestion for you.... I too used the JSB Diablo match pellets for years... then my father-in-law showed me the Polymag Predator pellet... try it. Would suggest, request, a video comparing accuracy between these and the JSB Diablo in the Hatsan 130... I have the same rifle and absolutely love it

Here is another reason why this test is the best test on YT. It because you took 2 different crony distance points for corny data. There is a ballistics calculator at one of the major retailers on line, and with 2 different distances for crony data, you can figure out the Ballistics coefficient, "BC", for that pellet. Once you get that figured out, you can figure out the energy left at any yardage and trajectory for the entire path of the pellet. I used it once about a year or so ago, forgot all about it. :)

This was a very educational video it answered a lot of my questions and it explained a lot thank you keep up the good work

I have the Hatsan 135 in .25 caliber, it's a hard hitter also. Great video brother.

Felicidades Amigo Airguns Detective. Excelente Video!!! Ambos rifles son excelentes pero...Concuerdo con Ud....El Ganador y todavía Campeón es el Hatsan 135 en .30” cal...Definitivamente y sin Apelaciones. En un muy digno Segundo Lugar está el Gamo Swarm Magnum en .22” cal. Su Video es muy claro y contundente, además de estar muy bien respaldado por las pruebas de campo y los números resultantes de esas pruebas. Muy Satisfecho de seguir su Gran Canal aquí en RU-vid. Siga Adelante con su Gran Trabajo aquí. Es Usted muy Profesional. Muchas Gracias!!!! Thumbs Up my Friend!!! 👍😁 Saludos desde Costa Rica. ✌️🙂🇨🇷

I've observed this with the Gamo just target shooting. The dial in between the heavier and lighter pellets is massive over just 20 yards

And dieseling these Guns you are talking a extra 200 - 300 FPS making them very powerful Airguns to say the least ! Thank You For The Video. God Bless You And Family.

Beautiful explanation, thank you!

Such a great video and demonstration of physics. Easy to understand and great delivery. Thanks and keep your videos coming

Look, for the guys who want to see the same pellet cal. tested in different guns. This is a comparison of the 2 most powerful break barrel guns made today, and how they hold their energy down range to 40 yards. If you want a .22 gun test, or a .30 cal gun test, (to test against what other .30 cal break barrel?), that is a test for the best gun in a specific caliber. But if you want one of the most powerful break barrel guns made today, these are the top 2 guns to test against each other. For the person who is buying a break barrel for mag power, it is probably one of these 2 guns you will buy, and for what you people want to see, (the same caliber guns tested), there is nothing to test the Hatsan against. If you want to buy the best and most powerful break barrel made today,----this is a great test to help see what you are buying for power down to 40 yards. Have you ever seen a test on YT before that showed energy loss down range with different weight, (or even the same) pellets?

After many moons and shooting only powder burners for many years now, I started to get an interest in air rifles again. My first air rifle in the late 1960's was a Gecado mod.25 in .177 and I gave it to my nephew a few years back, it is still shooting. I bought a Crosman Vital Shot .22 a month back but was disappointed in its accuracy, or must I say total lack of accuracy, I send it back. Then I started to look at some youtube videos on air rifles and found your channel. I saw the power and accuracy of the Gamo Magnum on your channel as well as on some other channels. I compared the results of different air rifles on mostly your channel and just bought a Gamo Magnum IGT .22 single shot and a Hawke Airmax scope. Waiting for delivery now. I also considered the Gamo Magnum .177 but thought the .22 is better for hunting. This video just confirmed that thinking that the same trend will count between the .177 and .22. Thank you for this video. Here in South Africa any air rifle bigger than .22 is treated as a firearm and our licensing procedure is long and tiresome. With the previous government it was almost a walk-in and walk-out procedure but now it can take up to 2 years, no joking about that. With the backlog and planed change in bureaucracy it might now take even longer. So, for me it is the .22 or nothing. I hope I made the right choice on the IGT compared to the spring. What it your opinion on that? Thanks for all your videos.

Great video ! Thank you

I JUST bought a Hatsan 135 based on a few factors and your review !! I wanted to buy an air rifle I'll love and keep for years or indefinitely. Hatsan is it !!! Next is a Weihrauch someday ...

Thank you for this video!!

I got my Hatsan 125 22 cal last week. Will shoot a little today I thing.

absolutely amazing video. REALLY well done. although not in the video this confirms that i definitely want to go with a 22 over a 177.

Comparing the hatsan 135 to the Gamo swarm Magnum is like comparing AK-47 to the AR-15 it's basically power versus speed

1.HATSAN!!!! CHAMP 2.GAMO!!! 3.& Benjamin/Crosman same thing !!! Love all 3 of these !!!

The same principle applies to archery. The heavier arrow will carry more kinetic energy to the target.

I greatly enjoy the videos here. They are as professional as anything on the web, and never fail to provide concise, useful information. I have both rifles tested here, and I have to say they are equally excellent. For most hunting, I will go for the Gamo, as I know I can get a second shot off in a very brief period. If Hatsan was to make the 135 an auto loader, there would be no doubt it would be superior, even though Hatsan's magazine is not as real-world friendly as the Gamo offering. By the way, your trigger screw kit is outstanding, and has brought my Gamo triggers to another level.

Hey I love your vids, can you do a full video on how to charge the gas piston? I just ordered my gun and cant wait to use it!

I had the Hatsan, and I was able to shoot it well to 80 yards with a lot of practice and finding a good scope that did not break, (well enough to hunt that far), and that had enough mill dots, (big arch because of the slower speeds, but still consistent. I sight in at 35 yards FYI). But unless you are a super natural at judging distance from 15 to 80 yards by eye when hunting, (or maybe have markers from your sitting place if you sit), you are going to need a range finder to see how far away that rabbit is. The good thing about the .30 cal though is, you don't need a perfect shot, (compared to a smaller cal), to drop that game.

Great comparison, both are good value too. Thanks JC.

Dude, I don't comment a lot on videos....but. I have both of these guns and was going to do a video comparing them...then saw this video and couldn't have done a better job. Both companies should be rewarding you for this awesome comparison...no bullshit just facts! Great job dude...subscribed!

You sir, have some engineering experience/degree(s). I learned a little bit about testing in my engineering classes, and do some myself for my business, and I want to say, of all the "testing" I have seen over the last 2 years watching you-tube videos about air guns, (first time today I have seen yours, I post a lot, sorry), THIS VID IS THE BEST AIR GUN RELATED PERFORMANCE TEST ON YOU-TUBE! You used good guns, (is the swarm air cylinder serviceable, to top it off too?), great pellets, (also very impressed at the low standard deviation of both guns), and you set up the comparison with every T crossed and every I dotted, (as far as I could tell). You answered the question about pellet mass vs energy loss over distance with precision to perfection. But I find the 44.74 vs 50.15 the same pretty interesting. I wanted to do this test myself, (now I do not have to, thanks man), and I would have been sure the heavier pellet with the fatter mid section, (less air drag, I thought), would have had some significant difference. Folks,----this is the best, most thought out, most accurate, most controlled air gun performance test I have ever seen on you-tube!! This guy should win something! :) Kudos to perfection before publication. :)

Really good video. Only thing I could add is if using expanding ammo have to make sure you are hitting the velocity to make it expand. I do over think stuff.

Hi. Yesterday I shot again with my 135QE Carnivore and everytime I shoot with this beast I ever surprised by so much energy + power, incredible how this magnum spring can expulse .30 pellets!! I love this monster!!

I would like to see the same competition with the two Hatsan the carnivore and the 125 in .25

Great review indeed, very informative and objective. The two rifles are pretty much in the same category when it comes to size/type of game to hunt. We only need about 5fpe for small game. At the range within which those rifles are accurate, the power is quite superb. That said, I'm going to stick with my daisy red ryder until something better comes out :) By the way, keep in mind that smaller calibre will have much greater penetration should one decide to shoot a pig in the head at short range, i.e. under 30 yards.

I have both of them guns.. I would hate to be on the other end of either one of them.. I also bought the bipod for both of them from you.. great review!!

Great video, I had the Hatsan 30 cal, it's a brute for sure. I like the clip on the Gamo much better though. I liked my 30 cal but it was too big for me, fun gun though.

Fantastic video straight to the point with information you really want to hear

My two favorite brands !!!

Awesome.hatsan break barrels.beat all others it's proven time and time again.my hatsan 125 .25.i designated 185 shooters last year in are tried county shoot off last year

thank you for making this video for us! is the hatsan still king, 3 years later?

Excellent video! Thanks for the informative data. My next Springer will be the Hatsan .30 cal. 👍

i own both rifles :) love them both

Excellent comparison!!! Just like in cars where "there's no substitute for cubic inches". In bullets ( foot pounds ) there's no substitute for heavier bullets.

@Airgundetectives if you had to choose one of these for hunting purposes what would be your go to. Considered all aspects of the rifle weight power accuracy ect.

I watched your scope move forward and back every shot on gamo

Very good comparison!

Great now I want see it go up against the 125 in .22. I hear it gets 30 FPE, but I've seen some ranging from 26-28 too. So I'm not sure what to believe.

The only reason why I'd go Gamo over Hatsan in this situation is cost and availability of pellets. Great video!

I'll try my own testing.... and see what group I get. I'll step off my range and see how many yards I'm shooting at and take a grouping.

Great review. Hatson .30 cal might produce more energy but just barely. Only 5 more fpe. And its 2 calibers larger and using pellets almost double the size. For a .22 caliber airgun to be so close that says a lot about how powerful the Swarm Magnum really is. I will take a few fpe less anyday of the week to have a repeatable 10 shot and lighter weight advantage.

Good review and very informative.. 👍

Great Vid... You made my choice easy

I have both as they do different things for me. I really feel for you on the cocking of the 135. It certainly does not cock anything like the gamo.

I just can't warm up to that big apparatus sitting on top of the gamo.

Thanks

Excellent and interesting video, from over the pond England.

Really excellent video. I think that shows what momentum with a heavier weight will do. Just an opinion.

I would like to see a comparison of the 2 in .22 cal

Excellent video! Very goo information..

The Gamo Swarm Magnum 22 will hit a target at further distances and also has enough power to kill small game or medium game easily at those distances as well. Both of these rifles are very well made and they deliver deadly power. Definitely the Gamo for longer-range and more accuracy. Price is a factor too. $300 Gamo Swarm Magnum 22 Gen 2 coming in June or July I heard..! And you have to realize that that is the full package with scope and everything included. The Hatson 135 doesn't come with a Scope and it's almost $500.👍👍

good job, nice video.

Great video. My only question is regarding pellet drop. With a 177 it is said that the pellet travels "straight" so my understanding is that a 177 at say 30m will have way less pellet drop than a .22 or the 30calibre what is your experience with the Gamo swarm at distance shooting, do you have to compensate when shooting at 40 yards and what about the .22 and 30cal? Thanks for your time in making really informative videos.

i own a .30 cal hatsan 135 qe vortex the thing pumps out 540-575fps wit cleaned and anti-corrosion gun oiled barrel ,extreme accuracy ,no straglers,but it can actually be modded and said modding tools are actually sold by hatsan, its just amazing innovation it was definitely planned this way,im going to fully mod mine for slight higher pressure for range with some new seals,grease ,tuned 1lb trigger pulls,a spring butt pad would be awesome too the thing i mostly want to see is MORE .30 PELLET SELECTIONS SUCH AS NON-LEAD ALLOY AND SHARP penetrating ones.

I wanted the best and most powerful break barrel air gun made, and the Gamo .22 magnum gen2 just arrived. I had the Hatsan, but gave it away. Here are my first impressions in comparison to the Hatsan 135 .30 cal.. 1) The Hatsan seemed a bit harder to cock, but they are close. (I don't have a issue with either of them.) 2) The Gamo seems to be better quality, (but I need more time to be exact). The open sights are made of steel, (Hatsan is plastic, and the rear sight moves easily by touch, the Gamo is solid. The Hatsan front sight was rotated on the barrel to the left, with both guns I had, (sent one back)). The bluing seems better on the Gamo. I had a problem breaking the stock cross bolt on the Hatsan and had to make my own, and fix the bushing it went through. That was hands down poor quality. I will learn more about the Gamo later. 3) The Gamo is way lighter than the Hatsan, by about 3lbs. That is a huge difference for carrying and ease of free hand shooting. 4) Both of them have pretty good triggers, but I think the Gamo is more adjustable and can be made better very easily. Not sure yet. (I will put in the longer set screw) 5) Now, for an important design and quality issue that directly effects repeatability/accuracy, "how well the barrel locks up". On the Hatsan and my Benjamin .177, I alway make sure the barrel is locked up well in it's home position by forcing the barrel into it's locked position while wiggling the barrel from side to side. The Hatsan and the Benjamin will both find home better, (the Benjamin is better), but with the Gamo, that breech locks up very very well. It goes home when you lock it up, and there is zero side to side movement. It is perfect. 6) I can get Gamo on the phone if I have problems and order parts easily. I could never do that with Hatsan. (which is why I gave the gun away). 7) I like the weaver rail on the Hatsan, (even though it was a bit crooked on the receiver, another quality issue), better than the dovetail for a mag springer. 8) The Hatsan did not come with a scope. The Gamo comes with a scope, and a pretty good single piece mount, but the scope has no mill dots or objective adjustment, so it won't be going on this gun. I will pick up the BSA that this fine man also tested, or put on my 12oz Leupold that did hold up to the Hatsan well. Thanks to this excellent test, I know for a fact the Gamo .22 pellet will not have over 20fpe at 65 yards as the Hatsan will. But at 65 yards, I am sure this gun will be much easier to make good shots consistently, so I will call that a wash. I can shoot the Hatsan well, but I am sure I will shoot better with this gun at distance. Other than the weaver rail on the Hatsan and more energy down range, so far, there is nothing I like better about the Hatsan over the Gamo. Of course, more time and experience with the gun, I am pretty sure, will teach me any bad issues with the Gamo. But for now, there is no comparison IMO. I also consider "country of origin" when buying a gun now, and I know what nations deserve my business and which do not. Not very many buyers know how important that is. I do. Doug in Michigan

Hi from costa rica My question is if you recomend buying a 135 hatsan QE . In costa rica available only in 22 and 25 cal Looking doreard to your advice

Another point is that a Heavier bullet is affected less by crosswinds.

Man this was a great video. I'm curious if you ever shot/tested the Gamo GR .25 magnum. I bet it's little closer to the .30 Hatsan

Great information on both of the rifles. I have both of them and thinking of using them on a hog hunt between 25 and 40 yards. I would be using my crony to make any adjustments. Once again great information.

Great review this is I've been telling people for years.

Nice! But where are comparative penetration tests (wooden board targets, ballistic gelatine etc) of these two?

I like playing with math and found something I think is interesting. From the charts at min 22:20, I figured out the percentage of energy lost from the muzzle to 40 yards, and they are almost exactly the same. The difference my be, (probably is), because of rounding errors, but I think I am seeing a relationship to Newton with the apple and the grape. Energy lost for the Hatsan = 19.3548% Energy lost for the Gammo = 19.2307% I bet you could say, no matter what pellet gun you are shooting or what pellet, that you will lose approx 19.3% of the muzzle fpe at 40 yards.

I think your Gamo may be a bit down on power, (unless you did not shoot parallel to the sensors, an angle over the sensors will read low). You got about 825fps with the JSB 14.66gr. pellet. I just ran mine over a crony and got 865fps with the 15.89gr. JSB pellet. For corny work, we really need a fixture to make sure the pellet path is parallel with the sensors. I am finding out it makes a pretty big difference.

Gamo brought a new version of the Swarm Magnum called Gen 2. The muzzle velocity for .177 is 1650 and for .22 1300. Now the Gamo has more FPE than the Hatsun. With the same 18 grain pellet now traveling at 1300 FPS the FPE is just under 70 lbs. Even with the .177 if you use the same weight pellet, if my calculations are correct the FPE is 110?!? Can that be correct? Let me know because I am considering the new Gamo Swarm Magnum GEN 2. Yes, it is not cheap at ~$300 from Air Gun Depot. They are taking pre-orders right now.