Gang of Four: Could the Labour Party split again? - BBC Newsnight

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It’s almost exactly 35 years since the Limehouse Declaration. That led to the Labour Party splitting as the “Gang of Four” formed the SDP - partly in protest at the leftward drift of their party. Could history repeat itself? Lewis Goodall looks back at that landmark moment in British political life and asks whether the Labour Party could split again.
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@Tom-eq7eh 5 лет назад

Imagine if the electorate didn't fall back into tribal lines and SDP-L took 45% like they were polling at. What would Britain look like today? I suspect it would be for the better.

@Kraut_the_Parrot 8 лет назад

If you want a multi party system like in Germany, Spain, Greece, Austria, Italy, Denmark or Norway you will first have to get rid of the first by the post system.

@merseydave1 8 лет назад

You have to get into Power first, using first past the post ...

@JohnJohnson-qm3mr 7 лет назад

multi party is a rubbish system it means you never get strong government left or right

@Sr68720 7 лет назад

strong government? of what? a minority vote share doing what the majority don't want, thats the uk.

@splinterbyrd 7 лет назад

quite right. All you get are weak coalitions

@fish18ish96 6 лет назад

Kraut and Tea the first past the post system prevents the election of extremist governments. The Nazis got in via a proportional system.

@simongleaden2864 4 года назад

0:45 He's not Lord William Rodgers, he's Lord Rodgers or William, Lord Rodgers. He's a life peer in his own right, not a younger son of a duke or marquess.

@The4preston 7 лет назад

Unlike 1981 it doesn't matter if the Labour party split. They are already shedding votes to the SNP in Scotland and to UKIP in England. Labour's best hope of re-gaining power would be through an Italian-style 'pizza parliament' election result where they are supported by 4-5 minority parties. It won't be pleasant for anyone.

@philthompson8574 8 лет назад

my God just how right wing were labour in those days when is split could be Justified in those circumstances Callaghan the last prime minister for God's sake

@krisinsaigon 8 лет назад

shirley, didn't they try to have a new party of the centre left? It was called the Liberal Democrats if memory serves and it propped up the tories

@toplel8211 8 лет назад

+kris wilkinson Not really. The Liberal Democrats always had a split personality. There was the social democrat wing, which Shirley is a part of, and then the Liberal wing of the party, which Clegg and Huhne, et al belonged to. The Liberal wing was in the driving seat during the coalition years.

@krisinsaigon 8 лет назад

it had a superfluous wing, and a second superfluous wing. The enemy is the Tories

@Genetulsa1 2 года назад

Nice upload

@joshuabell7761 2 года назад

This feels very relevant now

@danielmurray1490 2 месяца назад

Unlike the labour leader,who they betrayed Michael Foot all 4 stayed on the gravy train joining the house of lords,Foots principals prevented his joining

@CashelOConnolly 19 дней назад

Well said comrade ✌🏻

@andrewhay2241 7 лет назад

2:19 Yes! let's make Yoda leader of the centre party

@harmlessdrudge 6 лет назад

Andrew Hay It's a famous quote from Churchill

@ac1dP1nk 7 лет назад

the sdp took enough of the vote to give thatcher the election falklands or no falklands

@tomgibson6801 6 лет назад

backstabbing bastards

@Cnd1867 4 года назад

The Tories still took 42.5 in 1983. Even if the Labour party remained at the level of support they received in 1979, that most likely would've produced a small working majority for the Tories. Labour in 1983, SDP or no SDP, failed to win back enough voters to overtake the Tories.

@ac1dP1nk 4 года назад

@@Cnd1867 and labour and sdp support was 53%

@whatamalike 4 года назад

Pretty much; they split the vote. It's a ridiculous situation in which the Tories can actually lose votes on the previous election and yet manage to gain over 50 seats! That just shows what a sham parliamentary 'democracy' really is; it isn't how well you do, it's how badly your opponents do. 2019 is a perfect example of this (and that in and of itself certainly wasn't a fair fight).

@ryanconnor9240 Год назад

These people can't complain with Starmer in charge. He made Labour centre-left rather than purely left-wing.

@Gibbo1 3 года назад

They nearly lost their heads at 4.55!!

@merseydave1 4 года назад

In 1981 I was 16, two years late I joined Labour being a socialist, those who left in 81 should have joined The Liberals as the s d p faded away very fast ... History shows us that The Liberals propped up the Tories in the early years of the 20th Century and The Liberals (they just put Democrats on the end) did exactly the same in the early years of this Century ... Propping Up The Tories!!!.

@richardsharpe2966 3 года назад

I have offtened wondered what if Dennis Healey and Roy Hatersley had gone to the SDP would the SDP won power answer maybe just maybe

@littleshoemaker 8 лет назад

Feeling disenchanted with the Glib Dems, Shirley? No longer Baroness, perhaps because you can't bear to speak up for them in public any more.

@user-qd3xk9ge7h 3 месяца назад

Great music

@Rover109able 8 лет назад

They were a shower, as easy as that

@Snufflegrunt 3 месяца назад

Well this aged poorly.

@StephenFiorentini 8 месяцев назад

The independent group was a tale that will last a lunchtime.

@tpmbe 5 лет назад

Here we go Feb 2019 .....enter the remoaner party , good riddance Labour needs a good clear out starting from the top

@Da1Dez 3 года назад

And that lasted long didn't it?...

@meandmymouth 8 лет назад

Newer new labour ?

@ConorDoesItAll 4 года назад

The Social Labour Party ;)

@jonathanhadley2555 3 года назад

Well it now looks like its New Labour/Tory Lite Mark2.....!

@liamcdm3689 3 года назад

2:11

@iVenge 5 лет назад

Woy.

@believerone2001 3 года назад

critical analysis

@BiffaBacon 6 лет назад

Traitors

@Tom-eq7eh 5 лет назад

Yes, it could and has. Spoilers.

@Da1Dez Год назад

And now it's over...

@JK-br1mu 11 месяцев назад

Split and divide the Left so Conservatives can rule!!!!! On to gloryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

@danielmurray1490 Год назад

For socialists they like a gong dont they

@anthonygibbs9245 3 года назад

What we need is education on socialism in schools and we also need to teach the working class about what is socialism and more importantly what socialism has given them already. I have noticed that most people do not have a clue what socialism is or even worse they have a distorted view of it that has been engrained in their minds. Its so sad.