Garrus don't cap but please don't take this title seriously. or spread nasty comments in the video. We all know the technical term isn't racism but Garrus himself mentions race so there ya go. store.playstation.com/#!/tid=...
In the legendary edition they restored a news report in ME2 where he either wins seats if you endorsed or ends up in prison for tax evasion if you didn't.
@@TheHaloAdventureShow In the Navy, Captain is a higher rank than Lt. Commander (Shepard's rank at the start of ME1) and Commander. A Captain in the Navy is equivalent to a Colonel in the Army.
Garrus didn't get bodied at all. he just got a shitty response of "if i was there i would've done something because i say i would" despite actually being in the situation. it's similar to the people IRL who say they wouldn't have shot Ma'Khia Bryant dead in order to save the other girl's life. "yea i would've shot her in some non lethal spot or shot the knife in that milisecond of a response that i have to decide because I AM THE MASTER OF TIME, REACTION AND REFLEXES" smh 🤦🏻♂️
@@Peanut_Buster90 are you ignoring that the Turian military attacked unarmed engineers and spaceships and then followed the survivors to a colony and bombed civilians over a misunderstanding?
@@masterblaster7484 Yep never said that they did. But they sure as hell learned about it. That is the whole dogma behind not opening certain relays. And Turians are certainly dogmatic. We have to keep in mind,that Turians have a very different way of thinking than humans, although ME displays that differently for gameplay purposes.
@@TheSergio1021 Well were the Krogan fiddling with Mass Relays or did the Salarians find them? And why would they fire on allies that *just* helped them win a war?
@@zachs5601 True but the point still stands: speeches can make a difference. Both in general and in Shepard's case. You can literally convince two of Shepard's greatest adversaries to kill themselves with nothing but the truth and strong will.
@@hieronymusboss7705 Yes,AFTER you prove yourselves to them.Point is,regular speechs without action are just words in the wind.Shepard shows you need to back it up with action for it to mean something.
@@bearandthebull2372 Yes I might even agree with you, except that's not what Shep says. He just says "you really think speeches help". End sentence. You could say your point is implied but that's pretty flimsy. It's mediocre writing is what it is.
I had Ashley along for this cutscene. Even she disagrees with their campaign. She even calls them racist and when Ashley Williams calls you a racist, you're a racist.
I agree with Garrus saying you gotta stop a kid using a gun, except the Turrians didn't even try to communicate, their immediate response was "nuke 'em"
@TheVolourn that is the most black and white point of view I’ve ever seen. The Turians’ fears were justified considering the last time something came through an unknown Mass Relay, it almost led to the collapse of the entire Galactic Community. And when you’re mentioning Mass Murder, I’m assuming you meant Shanxi. Last I recall, yes the Turians fired the first shot but then humanity didn’t even try to negotiate and assumed they weren’t worth it. It took the Council’s intervention for Humanity and the Turians to start calming down. Not to mention Garrus admits faults were made that day and he knows this.
@TheVolourn I believe I misspoke. I meant to say “I can understand the Turians’ fears” rather than “they were justified”. Secondly, why wouldn’t they try to negotiate? Doesn’t that make your argument null since neither side tried to negotiate? It’s hypocritical for one side to complain about the other not negotiating, whilst they themselves didn’t try to either.
@TheVolourn first off, never said you can’t defend yourself neither did I say humanity defending themselves was unjustified. Second, it makes sense for humanity to try and open a dialogue in that circumstance. They’re facing a technologically superior force with superior numbers. It would be in the best interests of humanity to figure out their motives to prove to the Turians that they weren’t a threat. Thirdly, the Turians payed reparations after the war for what they did. The fact *they* paid reparations and the Alliance didn’t proves that humanity did indeed have the moral high ground. But you failed to take into account the Turians’ motives for taking an aggressive first-contact approach: that reason being the Rachni. Last time an unknown and advanced species came out of a dormant relay, the galactic community was almost destroyed. Even after that they had to deal with the Krogan, only making them more fearful of newer species on the galactic stage. The fact you label them as “villains” shows you don’t understand the reasoning behind the Turians’ response to Humanity. Also, what the hell do you have with throwing labels at me? “Im the kind of guy that would charge someone for shooting someone in self defense”, I’m the guy that says “oh humanity got what it deserved”? Bullsh**. Humanity was unjustly treated by the Turians and they shouldn’t have taken the approach they did in the First Contact War.
I really don’t get this comment section. The Turians were in the wrong. End of story. It’s very simple. A turian patrol rolled up on a group of human spacecraft which were in the process of activating a relay, something that is forbidden by council law. Now on one hand, the humans were breaking council law; on the other hand, they didn’t know the COUNCIL existed, let alone the law. And what’s more, as emissaries of this beacon of galactic civilization, which values peace and diplomacy, they should have attempted to quickly make peaceful contact and explain the situation to the human explorers who ignorant of the potential danger of just activating mass relays Willy-nilly. Instead they opened fire without even attempting to communicate with the humans. This began a several month conflict which eventually caused the turian hierarchy to begin mobilizing for full scale war(and let’s be honest, they would have crushed us), only being stopped at the last minute by the asari. The turians motives here are not good no matter how you look at them: at very best, they exhibited an unbelievably excessive and completely inappropriate amount of force on a new species that didn’t even know it was breaking any laws, and at worst, they were using an excuse to subjugate us, and turn us into another client race, like the Volus or elcor. And think of how scared the humans must have been during the first contact war. As far as we knew, we were in a fight for our very existence as a species. They were the first alien species we ever met, and they attacked without so much as a squawk on the mic. And then after the asari step in and the dust has a chance to settle, we find out that we were brought to our knees, and thousands died, over a law we NEVER KNEW EXISTED. The frosty relations between humans and turians is completely understandable, especially given not only their treatment of us, but of these aliens treatment of other aliens. Anyone remember the quarians, and the Councils deliberate interference in their attempts to colonize other worlds, and start over? It is truly astounding to me that everyone seems to be thinking, “Yeah! Show that dumb racist who’s boss!” When, first off saying that “humans ought to solve their own problems, and we don’t need aliens help,” isn’t racist. It simply is not. It’s not total acceptance, though, which apparently today is what we categorize as racist. I’m not saying this guy is right to be so standoffish with aliens, he isn’t, but to act as if humans have NO REASON to be suspicious or distrustful of aliens is just plain stupid, and not at all fair to the RADICAL changes the humans have gone through in the past 50 years. It’s ok to stand up for humans and human issues. We don’t have to be human-centric, but you shouldn’t just blindly embrace turians, asari, Salarians, Krogan, quarian(Tali is best girl, though, always embrace her), or any other alien species, simply because you don’t want to be seen as racist or specie-ist, or whatever. Edit: additional points, as well as some spelling errors that were bugging me. I saw somewhere that apparently, and I don’t know if this was a genuine reason or an excuse made up by the turians to cover for their failed subjugation attempt, they didn’t recognize the human ship design, and so thought that the humans were pirates. That doesn’t add up. Even if they genuinely believed the ships were of pirate make, they still should have attempted to hail the vessel before opening fire, to give the offending ship a chance to halt their chicanery. And I don’t really buy the “unknown spaceship design must mean pirate” idea either. I would imagine that if pirates are making modifications to ships it would make the ship look ramshackle and slapped together. Human ships wouldn’t look like that. There’s a difference between an existing ship design shabbily modified, and a unknown ship designed purposefully from the ground up, and turians should be capable of telling the difference.
The way the turians acted, and the Asari stepped in after the Turians were ready for all out war, indicates something worse. It indicates a pattern. The Turians cripple a race militarily until they have no choice but to accept the Asari's demands to join the citadel. Granted, there are outliers on both sides (Saren and Cerberus for example), but the fact that the Turians never tried to establish contact and give a warning is troubling. Not even a "Attention! You are in violation of Citade Law. Cease tampering with the mass relay or we will open fire"
@@sev1120 very good point. Turians come from a militaristic culture, and militaries follow orders and protocol, and it is absolutely within the realm of possibility that it would be protocol to hail a vessel to warn them off before opening fire.
I had this exact same train of thought about the First Contact War and the same thought about how the Council Races treated the Quarians. It really gives of the idea that the Council was kicking the Quarians while they were down. And it really makes it seem like the Turians, Asari, and Salarians don’t want true competition.
The world of mass effect is made all the more interesting by them actually making the guy here well-spoken and polite rather than an outright pastiche of modern political nationalism.
@@Woodesies Putin elects himself. I don't know some of these, but I know enough to know that mostly they get elected because citizens get sick and tired of the "well spoken and polite as long as their sponsored news channels are filming" people abusing power, forcing their agendas, and creating violent division with honeyed words.
@@gaigeschaal9070 I'm not entirely sure if you're answering the other guys statement or trying to amend mine. But frankly that is something all politicians do. There's no business like politics, and the business is telling people what they want to hear to gain their votes on a certain day, after which they have power, and do whatever they please. Therefore the individuals who do not use political doubletalk or come from a political background are the standouts what garner citizens attention and the media shill's ire.
@@taylorberry5228 I guess I'm saying that politicians who "tell it how it is" and don't use jargon are usually as bad or worse, and am making a point that people who fall for that because they're sick of "well spoken" politicians are incredibly stupid. Case in point, the leaders listed by the other commenter
@@gaigeschaal9070 I understand the point you're making, though frankly I don't agree with it, nor do I think Putin should be on that list. Like I said, he decides when he gets elected. I only know a handful of the other individuals named, and very little about some that I do, so I can't speak to that without doing my own research. As far as American politics, you may completely disagree with me for your own reasons, but my experience has been that many situations in the country were better when someone who didn't play the game was in power, but a lot of that was hamstrung by those in power who only had the welfare of their agenda in mind.
Actually, Chief Williams really shines in this scene, especially when he brings up Shanxi. She has a few words on racism, too. Bring her with, worth it.
@@kingd8468 No, that's a very common misconception that some players have when they judge Ashley and don't bother going through all her dialogue. Ashley isn't xenophobic at all, she actually condemns the Terra Firma party in this dialogue saying something along the lines of "Noble goals, but too bad your supporters are just racists" and she also condemns the use of Shanxi as an excuse to hate aliens. Ashley's backstory is that her grandfather was the only human to ever surrender to alien occupiers, and her entire family is essentially blacklisted by the alliance thanks to that, so her unwillingness to work with aliens initially is because she's afraid it'll end up being used by the alliance as an excuse to question her loyalties and end her career. If you compare that to Kaidan, Kaidan actually admits to having hated some aliens in the past and having actually killed a Turian during training because he lost control after seeing the turian abuse a fellow classmate, which he follows up by saying that said turian could have probably been saved if he was given medical attention, but wasn't. Also why would you hate Ashley out of all the characters? Like seriously, Mordin created a sterility plague because he looked down on the krogans and didn't change his mind until having to see the repercussions personally. Garrus is the biggest fucking piece of shit when you first meet him, he wants to execute everyone, he even tells Shepard to let the council die in the final choice in ME1, and he doesn't even have a personal stake in that like Ashley does, he just wants the council to die. Wrex killed his own father and then gave up on his own species and it took Shepard to convince him otherwise. And I'm not even going to mention Shaeed, Miranda and Jack, like those three have so many crimes behind them I can't even keep count. Ashley is objectively one of the most honourable, trustworthy and benevolent characters in the entire franchise. People just hate on her because they don't have the ability to think critically and see how flawed all the other characters are because they look cool.
@@user-oo8oj1hl8k Thank you for that and your right. Unfortunately, it will never change. People will still call her racist no matter. Yet a character like Presley (someone I like) who openly admitted “ I hate Turians” is still well liked. The sequels did nothing for Ashley as well, as it seemed to play up her negative traits more. You know it’s bad when the same people calling Ashley Xenophobic and racist admit to being pro Cerberus and think they are cool.
Terra Firma are basically human conservatives. Cerberus are terrorists though. Huge difference. TF wants to attain power legitimately. Cerberus would rather assassinate and bribe their way to the top.
@@antonbatura8385 Very likely that's what they became, though the lore does state they were founded by idealists but quickly became a mouthpiece for jingoism and racism The fact Cerberus killed the previous leader likely made it all but assured.
@@thelordguardian3640 EXO Jenny was already messed up and they tested on their own people and they were very similar to Cerberus when it came to the thorian, they just really sucks that for the so-called betterment of humanity or betterment of anybody you have to experiment on your own kind it's sick in unneeded and it's unnecessary. If I was a doctor I would never experiment on my own people unless they were willingly and they volunteered and they were wanting to do that by any means necessary. I would never force that on anyone but still even if they volunteered it still would be sick and just horrific
Garrus is my best damn friend without a doubt. When I was a kid in middle school I honestly had a lil crush on her. I know Tali & Garrus get together if you don't romance either of them but fuck man I love me some Tali. So like, in my personal head-cannon I like to believe after the ending of 3 Tali & Garrus get together after Shepard dies. If there is anyone who deserves Tali its my boi Garrus. I know they'll keep each other safe :3
@@DashingSaber I hope Mass Effect 4 takes place long enough after 3 that Garrus/Tali could reasonably have moved on, because I've also been hoping they eventually get together afterward even if Shepard romanced one of them.
I like Garrus but he has zero standing on that one. The turians fucked up, in any scenario without Shepard and Garrus becoming friends, humanity and the turians would end up fighting. The whole point of Shepard's existence was to stop that. The Normandy was built with the turians, a turian was sent to evaluate Shepard and make him a Specter. Humanity was being appeased because humanity had a just cause to wage total war. The turians wanted to wipe out Shanxi because they thought it was the homeworld. They got a rude awakening and started fully mobilizing for said total war. Meanwhile, humanity only had 5% of its population serving. If humanity went full militaristic, the warpath would lead to both sides cleaving through the galaxy in a war to make the Reapers blush.
He do makes a point. The turians greatly exagerated during the Relay activation and just fired out of nowhere, if they came out screaming "Don't activate that it's going to kill you" Then humans would've 9 times out of ten welcomed the turians in open arms.
@@gewuerzwanze5627 The only problem was that there was a language barrier, since you know, in the ME universe everybody uses a translator device that naturally translates a species speech.
Honestly not sure how many times I have played this game since it launched, atleast a dozen playthroughs. Never seen this either. Ridiculous amount of content in this game.
@@DesertStateNevada Kind of weird that they'd put this interaction in when you're grounded. The main mission is like "It's now or never!" when talking to Anderson so I always just rush to the Normandy and then go straight to Ilos. Probably why I've always missed it
Too bad Terra Firma was completely written out in favor of Cerberus. I felt in light of that narrative they could have played an interesting role alongside Cerberus and Udina in the latter games.
@@MrFilbert28 maybe in the future they’ll use them more. From what I understand, the citadel was completely wrecked, and without the mass relays, interstellar travel has probably become a lot more complex. The future of the Mass Effect universe is likely to be very dark, and the galaxy is likely to be more divided than ever before, allowing organizations similar to terra firma to become more prevalent.
Terra Firma is a joke. What could a small political party like them really do in the later games? Complain more about aliens? They are nothing more than an extreme representation of ME1's Pro-Council vs Anti-Council conflict. They have barely any influence outside of like Earth and it's surrounding space stations and colonies.
"You really think speeches help?" Meanwhile...Shepard before literally every major battle: "Friends...my brothers and sisters...thank you for coming. We gather here today to destroy (insert galactic threat). Our love for each other and our desire for vengeance will ensure that we do not fail. Forward, soldiers!" The soldiers with renewed fighting spirit thanks to the helpful speech: "HUZZAH! HOLD THE LINE! HUZZAH!!!!"
Difference between the “peace in our time” that he referenced, and dealing with the citadel races, is that the citadel didn’t take over the Sudetenland or invade Poland. The Turian Hierarchy paid reparations for the war. Edit: Okay, so that people will stop trying to "correct" me, let me clarify: what I'm saying is that the Turians aren't the nazis. That does not mean I think they're perfect. That does not mean I think they're altruistic. That doesn't mean I think they even paid out of the goodness of their hearts. It means that they aren't the nazis. Which is what the guy in the video is comparing them to.
True, but the Hierarchy only did this to save face though because of pressure from the salarians and asari. While militarily the greatest power of the Council, they'd be crippled by economic sanctions for going against the wishes of the other two. This is in contrast to the years before WWII where the Allies didn't have a leg up on the Germans to prevent them from taking advantage of their situation.
@@derektrammell911 The allies DID have a leg up economically on the Germans. That’s actually why the Germans felt they had to expand rapidly before the British and Russians especially could cut off vital oil and over seas trade. The only significant difference between nazi Germany and the turian hierarchy here is not their relative geopolitical positions, but the fact that the Germans were led by a group who based their political power on a false history, empty promises, and a pathological need to lay every problem squarely at the feet of one of the most vulnerable scapegoats they could find. All I’m saying is that guy making a comparison between the turian hierarchy and the third reich poisoned the well enough to drop a thresher maw.
@@Anglomachian Good point. All I will say is that Nazi Germany did take the nation from a depression state to full mobilization within less than a decade, which allowed them to more or less have a chance to challenge the Allies. All in all, it's two different political climates lol.
@@derektrammell911 weeeell about that. Whilst the nazi regime did help boost the economy initially, they kind of did it through a good deal of fraud and unsustainable boondoggles. For instance, they artificially lowered unemployment by literally discounting women from the work force. They also forced unemployed people into substandard, essentially slave-wage jobs. The autobahn was during that period a propaganda piece that could neither support sustained military use, nor be used by the largely car-less population of Germany. The Volkswagen was invented basically so that there would be a car cheap enough for people in Germany to buy. The Nazis knew their economic plan wasn’t sustainable, and so planned to compensate through conquest. There’s an argument to be made that the economic policies of the nazis are what made world war 2 inevitable.
I’m amazed this stuff hasn’t been dragged up by game journos, if we’re censoring butts then how could we tolerate civilised conversations about regional security vs inter species cooperation and how things like protecting borders doesn’t mean it’s automatically racist.
My would Terra Firma even approach a human Spectre? If their position is that Earth should be autonomous from Citadel politics, what good is it to go up to a human whose political authority comes from being an agent of the Citadel Council. They should in theory, kind of despise that. Never mind that Garrus is right about Shanxi. The Turians only attacked because humans were breaking Citadel laws they had no way to know about. Nobody post-Shanxi is suggesting the Alliance can't defend their colonies.
If I remember the lore correctly, The Turians thought Shanxi was the human homeworld as they wouldn't establish a colony in a remote region of space that was difficult to defend. The Turians were kinda shocked when the full human fleet came rolling through the mass relay and were it not for the Asari, the war could have been long and particularly bloody.
@@BHRamsay I think I remember reading that the whole galaxy was pretty shocked when these newbies nobody had heard of fought the turians, *the* military power in the galaxy, on relatively even footing. I remember in particular a comparison to WWII when America rush-converted their car assembly lines and other factories to military production; in the same way, humanity reacted to the sudden alien threat by retooling their infrastructure and mass-producing on a scale that made the other species' collective jaws drop. That's partly why humanity has the standing it does at the start of ME1 (and also why they scare the crap out of some aliens) --they made their debut by displaying amazing adaptability and proving they could throw down with the heavy hitter of the Council races at the same time. (Kinda funny, in one sense: the rest of the galaxy saw it as the turians slapping a stranger's hand away from a possible doomsday button, and then that stranger whipped fleets and armories out of nowhere and fought like he thought he was gonna die.) Makes a nice lore point for a Paragon Shep who saves the Council in ME1, since humanity goes on to prove it has the initiative to step up in a crisis and even put their own kind on the line and make sacrifices for the good of their galactic neighbors.
@@BHRamsay Probably not that long considering that Humans had only really been using Mass Effect technology for like 7 years before they met the Turians. Those ships that fought the turians, those were humanities FIRST warships. The Turians rolled up to a human colony destroyed all their defenses and occupied it with what I'm pretty sure was a basic patrol group. The equivalent of a few police cruisers and a SWAT van.
So Turians encounter foreign species that they didn't see before (and thus should presume they don't know about citadel laws) and the first thing they do is attacking them? That guy was right at least about this conflict, not Garrus.
I think Terra Firma had some really good points, I mean even though the whole First Contact War was a misunderstanding, the turians imposed Council law on an independent sovereign state who was completely ignorant of said laws. Damn straight humanity should be worried about losing their identity and values.
@@Gabryal77That’s not an excuse for going to war with an independent state. It would be like the UN invading some uncontacted tribe for enslaving prisoners that had never even heard of the Convention on Prisoners of War. The legal basis is murky at best, even though the intelligence of the act itself is not disputed.
Considering the events that led up to the first game, the cutscene with the Alliance saving the Council makes it even better. The Asari, Turians, and Salarians ALL tried to kneecap Humans at every turn, only for humans to still pull through despite all the hardship we’ve experienced beforehand.
@@shadenox8164 I'd rather someone paused to have a reasonable discussion about their political beliefs when faced with an opposing one, even if in their mind they were saying "stfu and get back in a corner, alien loving pervert", than just shouted that at me and carried on.
@@MaceAhWindu While in principle I agree, in practice having no patience for something usually achieves little to nothing - you won't make racism go away by spending five minutes shouting at it. You *might* change a racist's mind by treating them as a person, working out where that racism stems from and then patiently (often SO patiently) trying to have a reasonable discussion in which you gradually challenge their beliefs. Nine times out of ten, you're not going to change someone's mind no matter what you do (and no matter what the topic is or which side of it they're on) because human nature AND nurture often places more importance on the concept of convincing yourself that you're not wrong than it does working out who's actually correct, but finding common ground and patiently building from there is FAR more likely to have the desired outcome than something along the lines of saying "stfu idiot", trying to 'cancel' them (this only serves to further isolate the individual from the very beliefs you'd like them to embrace and often encourages them to seek solace in likeminded people who will further reinforce the beliefs you'd rather they didn't hold in the first place) or hitting them. The best example I can give is when one of my friends heard someone make a homophobic comment towards me and offered to "help you kick the shit out of them" - tempting as it was to say "yes" because that would have been *very* satisfying in that moment, I instead opted to point out that if you could change the way someone thinks by persecuting and beating them, Gay people would have been wiped out centuries ago (because a few groups gave that 'method' a DAMN good go to 'deal with' us and it only caused us to create an increasingly defiant, underground culture which outlasted them so effectively that it persists to this day and resulted in literal "Pride Parades").
There are multiple references to Nazi Germany in the game. "Peace in our time" was declared by British PM Neville Chamberlin after Germany annexed part of Czechoslovakia. Less than a year later WW2 would begin.
Some of the timing for these missions is odd, for instance, there will always be a few missions that happen when you are grounded. It kinda creates this bit where you are told, “meet Anderson as soon as possible”, only to be sucked out of the immersion because of side quest.
Kinda got to agree with the guy. I mean even after two games you still have to save everyones ass again before they help. Any leader that doesn't look to the needs of his own people first won't have anything left to lead. Much like a parent who would feeds other kids why his are starving
Isn't the exact issue in ME3 that literally everyone hunkers down and fights for their own borders (looking to the needs of their own people first) rather than risks personal sacrifice for a larger goal? Basically the only reason the Alliance doesn't is that they got hit first, their entire leadership was decimated (leaving Hacket, a personal friend, almost unilaterally in control of their entire remaining military) and they got hit so hard that what they had left made the concept of hunkering down and trying to go it alone literally laughable. A similar situation would be if Tali, Garrus, Liara and Mordin were in control of the Quarians, Turians, Asari and Salarians respectively and all of them heavily imply/flat out say that if they were their fleets would already be at your side - Garrus literally TELLS YOU that if the new Turian leader doesn't play ball he's going to start killing them until they get one who does.
Even in ME3 the others refuse to help humans until their own worlds have been saved first lol. The council didn't give a shit about Shepard's warnings. The Turian councilor repeatedly insulted Shepard in the first two games. They should have been bowing and kissing Shepard's ass for what he did for the galaxy and also, they should be revering humanity just for the fact that it was a human who saved the galaxy not once not twice but three times. Not Asari, not Turian, not Volus, not Krogan, not Batarian, not Vorcha, not Yahg, not Elcor, not Salarian, not Quarian, a Human. All these advanced races did jack shit.
@@DantesInferno96 A human...accompanied by representatives of very nearly every species out there. The word that won the day three times over is 'UNITY'.
Why is Earth making deals in the interests of other species, when those species are making deals in their own interests? Doesn't sound like a good plan for the citizens of Earth. Which is what their representatives in government should be working toward. Damn the parallels are amazing.
Worst thing he isnt wrong. The Turrians should have intervened with the Mass Relay yes but not launch a full blown invasion that killed innocent lives. But i completly disagree with the rest. The hole point if the Council is cultural benefit to all. We can learn from Alien culture, same as them can learn from us.
The Council kind of sucks especially in Mass Effect 1. They have a sort of ingrained hatred of Humans or atleast the Turian councillor has that bias and furthermore they literally don't help at all. They didn't send a fleet on Virmire AKA Saren's base nor even regarded Shepards words , it was only until Mass Effect 3 where they started caring after Earth became overrun.
That's lowkey my problem with the alien race in ME. When humanity decides to be independent, we're vilified and are seen as bullies despite the fact we've constantly bended over backwards for the other alien races. It's like what Anderson said in ME1: "The Council always preaching that we need to be a part of the galactic community. But for them it's a one-way street." Now I'm not saying the aliens aren't reliable but at the same time if you ask the aliens for help don't hold your breathe.
What Americans need to understand when non Americans pay attention to their elections, China & Iran opposed Trump cause he was good for America and bad for their governments immoral behaviour.
@@tiffanyroberts6460 immoral... That would certainly depend on a person's nationality or ideology. To America, anything that goes against its interests is immoral, the same thing can be said for every other nation if you ask their nationalists.
@@jericoatayde5603 no, concentration camps, state funded terrorism and committing genocide on your own people is objectively immoral behaviour in every corner of the globe. Obama funnelled billions to Iran via the Iran deal which said money was given to Hamas to fund terror attacks on Israel, Trump ended that deal and supported Israel bringing about significant advances in Middle East peace. This is why countries like China and Iran supported Joe Biden cause they want weak corrupt leadership that will continue to allow their immoral behaviour. When foreign countries comment on American politics, it’s not in the interest of the American people.
I've played ME1 for YEARS and never met this guy, I knew about the addict inside Flux because you go there but at that point in the story I've always gone straight to Flux Dammit
Eh it could be genuine or it could be he knows that what he actually wants to say wouldn't work out well for his politics, in which case he's just giving a generic platitude.
The problem with the wheel rather than a branching list is how disjointed it is going from "I'M A SOLDIER, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?!" to "I don't know what your platform is, do you have a brochure I could read please?" in one line.
This is what set Mass Effect 1 apart from the other games. I love that they included this guy in the game, more than that you can actually side with him if you choose. Mass Effect 1 really did let you build your own Shepard. Even though I never support this guy, just having the option really makes it feeling like it's your game.
Never met this guy before in any of my playthroughs. And trust me, I try to meet everyone in the whole trilogy. 😯😂 Gonna have to keep my eyes out on my next one.
there is probably an alliance regulation against military personnel using giving official political endorsements, the council would probably want to have a word with Shepard too if he used the title of specter for political endorsements
Interestingly enough, the neutral dialogue option will lead to Shepherd saying that it's inappropriate for an active duty military officer to publicly comment on politics.
Surprisingly during my many many many ME1 play throughs I've never had Garrus with me for this encounter. I've always had Ashley present. I wonder what would happen if you have both Ash and Garrus with you during this part.
politician ''i dont believe human politics are ANY of YOU'RE business!!'' Me: ''dude....you dissin my bro? You dissin ma bro dude? Hey Garrus, this guy dissin you? AW HELL NO!!! Garrus bro, bring out of the ''stick'' we got our selves a well calibrated ass woopin that needs to take place right now!!
Terra Firms: "If we don't stand up for ourselves, no one else will." Asari Counselor: "The Council cannot give Earth the resources it needs. Our own planets must come first." Asari: "The Asari will not be at your summit" Salarians: "The Salarians won't be at your summit if the Krogan are there" Turians: "The Turians will only be at your summit if you rescue our Primarch." Turns out that Ash was right. The other races were, in fact, willing to sacrifice humanity to save their own skins. They just didn't feel as bad about it as Ash figured you'd feel about sacrificing your dog to a bear.
Totally agree!!! It’s actually quite a deep commentary on how the council races’ selfish cowardice highlights the worst of humanity… yet simultaneously Shep/Normandy’s courageous self-sacrifice and moral fortitude highlights the best of humanity.
To be fair a lot of that was because of bad blood between the races (save for the first one and last one). The first one, as annoying as it is, holds truth. There wasn't a reason for the whole of the citadel fleet or the other council fleets to head to earth and liberate it (as we see they were also fightifn the invasion on the home front, you cant spread your armies too thin or else your enemy will take advantage of your weaker links). Even if they did what then? Earth only became the place for the final battle because the citadel was there and they didn't even know it was the catalyst until assaulting Ceberus's base. The second one is the bad history between the asari and the krogan, both species live for thousands of years and more than likely anyone the asari sent would've fought against the krogan and let some personal feelings slip in during the summit. For the slarians, again, bad blood and on top of that they manufactured the genophage. They believed it would be hard to negotiate with a species they think beneath them and already hated them for inventing what was essentially a sterility plague. Remeber how the dalatrass kept talking down to Wrex and the krogan as a whole. For the turians, it doesn't seem like they breed many politicians, at least not enough to have people speak on behalf of Palavan/the truians like most other races (hell, Hackett had to give Shepard diplomatic authority because the alliance themselves didn't have enough/any politicians that could speak on behalf of humanity/Earth), so of course they would want the one person they knew could actually help the turians and the summit saved from the enemy, especially considering the chain of command was shrinking by the second on Palavan and the only one who had a ship that could sneak in and out of the system was Shepard. (Say your nation's next in command was trapped behind enemy territory during a war and your own forces couldn't save him because they were already stretched thin enough as it is, wouldn't you want your supposed allies to help save him before things get worse when they had the means and know how to do it?) Ultimately, the running theme is that when the end of days is upon you, you should forgive past grievances and stand together or die alone. Hell, the quarrians knew the bigger threat was the Reapers and they attacked the geth regardless because they wanted to settle the score. All of this would've been solved if every sentient being in the galaxy was 100% rational or at least as ational as Paragon Shep. But then the game wouldn't be nearly as interesting of have any stakes if everyone was as rational.
@@liamrichardson6830 Oh, absolutely. Bioware did a brilliant job of creating stakes by creating flaws. But they also did a bold job of flipping the script for Terra Firma. TF is originally presented as unreasonable extremists in ME 1. By ME 3 you realize that they had a point, extreme or not. Humanity needed to stand alone because Humanity, in fact, stood alone. The "appeasers" didn't win because they were right or because of their negotiation ability. Diplomacy won because the other races were desperate.
Never supported them, never will. Who in the world plays Mass Effect just to be like "Humans stand alone. Aliens should mind their own business."? As far as I'm concerned, aliens are the best part of ME.
You can like the aliens and still think humans should take care of themselves instead of relying on the council. It’s pretty similar to the MAGA movement in America, people who believe it’s the American governments responsibility to protect American interests over other countries even if those countries are allies.
@@tiffanyroberts6460 True. We don't expect other countries to look out for us first, they have a responsibility to their people, same as the U.S. government does to us. That pretty much transfers one-to-one here; it's not racism (in a most cases, anyway), it's nationalism. It also helps that the Council is absolutely useless in all circumstances.
@@PhoenixT70 it’s not even nationalism it’s just national security, any country that is reliant on another for essential resources or defence puts their people at a huge risk is relations falter. Anyone whose spent 5 minutes in the world of mass effect knows none of the alien races completely trust each other and anti alien racism exists across every race to some degree. It’s not unreasonable for humans to want to protect their people however they can. with regard to the council, that’s just life when foreign bodies try to make these cross borders authorities like the EU or the UN. Ultimately they’re either incompetent or corrupt only serving their own purposes, alliances are better served between individual nation states or races in terms of mass effect. It’s the same logic behind the galactic senate in Star Wars that leads to the separatist movement, corrupt governing body with an inability to help anyone beyond its own interests. Mass effect imo handled geopolitical issues better then any game I’ve ever played, probably could still do it better with more games and time plus doesn’t help the audience has trouble with nuanced issues like this one but still it’s fascinating seeing these games again now I’m grown up and better understand the world both in game and irl.
Plus, the “humans should go it alone” philosophy is a recipe for human extinction in ME3. We kinda need the aliens to survive Harbringer and his friends. Just sayin.
@@seanfitzpatrick8385 All racists think their beliefs are backed by "data and facts". It just turns out their data and facts are wrong. They twist data to fit their narrative, make up bullshit arguments that play to ignorance and emotion over logical reasoning and fund biased unscientific studies with the intention of creating evidence for the conclusion they already believe in.
Humans be like: "We're suffering!"😭 Commander Shepherd: "Oh, your feelings where hurt? That must of been awful." * proceeds to T-Pose in the face of a Reaper *
Of course he his, he’s an ex cop who quit the force to join a cia black ops squad with no accountability only to later inflict vigilante justice on local gangs in a high crime region of space, he’s like a poster boy for blue lives matter lol
Honestly, sci-fi writing is at its weakest when trying to tackle race by doing analogues where it's humanity and other alien races... it's been done a lot, and every time, they miss out on this one fundamental point: racism is wrong BECAUSE it's predicated on the notion that difference in ethnicity constitute a special separation. As in, such prejudices stop being fundamentally immoral--at least not for the same reasons as inter-species xenophobia--if we're talking about a literal alien species, with its own separate form of evolved intelligence and natures wholly different from out own. Yes they're people, like we are, but possessed of an entirely different psychological profile to us, informed by biological and cultural imperatives completely sundered from our own. The Turian Empire murdered members of a previously uncontacted civilization, and compounded the error by invading and then committing war crimes against said primitive species by dropping space debris on civilian targets, all of this (especially the space debris drops) in flagrant defiance of Council law. The alien-led Council itself routinely refuses to aid humanity when it finds itself under assault after joining, and you can tell they take the same advantage of the Volus, Elcor and Hanar as well. Humanity in the Mass Effect universe has only been aware of the existence of aliens for a few decades, and by the start of the games, has only been a Citadel race for 26 years. 26 years since the unprovoked atrocities of the First Contact War and the occupation of Shanxi, and 26 years filled with the constant disregard of the Council. People are alive and well who lived through that initial time period, and who've been well-placed enough to see how self-serving the Asari, Salarians and Turians are. People like the Illusive Man, for example, a monster made by the fuckery of Saren's big brother. You would have to be a stark raving madman NOT to be politically opposed to the Alliance buddying up to the Citadel council--the Batarians, oppressive and retrograde though their culture is, have the right idea when it comes to the Council; keep them at arm's length when at all possible.
I imagine it has something to do with the krogan model being inconvenient for it and no other reason. Or Grunt technically being a child. There has to be a reasonable explanation.
they fucked up the paragon options in this trilogy. if renegade is an anti-alien and pro-genocide, paragon should be pro-alien and anti-genocide, not some milquetoast centrist "it's just your opinion" bullshit. paragon shep should punch this dude like renegade shep punched the reporter, but the game doesn't let you be anti-evil. just evil and centrist.
5 days later 20k views 🎉🎉🎉 You should post more vids! Maybe do one endorsing him and showing the outcome of doing so. And some of the most savage comebacks there are some great lines!
