Great talk. I've been saying for quite a while that these are the conversations the movement needs to be having. The electoral road is closed and fantasies of "well if I was in power, I'd do this and that" are a total waste of time.
I've been trying to contact this new "universal credit" department to fix the mess they've made of everything with the switch-over and they've taken five weeks to answer the phone so far, the competency crisis and the collapse is well underway.
We should be working to help the state collapse. I’m not saying do anything illegal but we could be organising separate institutions and communities to prepare to reinstate our own “state” on a more local level. And also engaging in cultural and political action which makes the liberal project less workable.
I've heard this idea before, possibly from Gavin or maybe not. Take everything you can from the state while you can. Claim every benefit you can and use those resources to prepare.
@@The_Rick_Shaw I’ve wondered if one way forward would be to set up a Fraternal membership organisation. Like the Masonic lodges etc. you pay your subs and socialise etc. start of by funding cultural events (perhaps restarting Royal Oak Day or something). It would be explicitly non-political but implicitly everybody would understand it is a nationalist radically traditionalist movement. And once a presence has been established at the local level through festivals etc you could expand outward to “cultural clubs” to provide children with an English cultural education they don’t get at school. Connections could be made with gyms and the more radical action groups (training young lads to fight). At the financial level people could pool resources to buy up land and property for the benefit of members etc. and it would work like a guild organisation so maybe members of the group with skills could take on someone’s son as apprentice etc etc. Gradually this sort of movement could be pooled into a separate political movement. This is the sort of idea I have in mind. It could also have informal offshoots doing activism (like doing sit ins at SERCO hq etc)
Agree with most of the comments below ! Very intelligent conversation between Gavin & Horus outlining future possibilities without exaggeration like a lot of opinions on YT and other ! Steady progress, thumbs up, thank you both...
How will any transactions take place after the fall of the state? What currency would be used? When gavin says that people will pay for law and order, how will they pay? Surely the pound sterling would be worth nothing? The good people of Hartlepool could issue their own currency but it’s only worth what people believe it’s worth, it’s fiat currency the same as the pound. gold would retain its value but the only gold available would be that which people had stashed away, any held in banks would go when banks fell. Barter and payment in kind would be the most usual form of trade or am I mistaken? Genuine questions for anyone prepared to answer, economics are not an area I hold any expertise in, as anyone who sees my bank balance would appreciate.
Glad to hear you brought up the class issue. Agree with what you said. It's arguably more important than any of the other nationalist talking points (islam, cultural marxism, israel, economics etc). Should your prognostications come to pass I do wonder how many middle class will simply flee, either to another country which hasn't gone to the dogs, or to a life in the country (ie trade in their million pound mansion for a fourty acre farm in the shire), rather than stay loyal to the crumbling system. Brain drains and emigration are common during such times, and would that alter the potential power structure in the UK as there would be fewer wealthy, successful, motivated White people to function as key cogs in the system.
What happens to the army in this situation? They may not get paid but there will still be people with guns and trucks. The officer class seems woke. Hopefully the grunts will take over
If we assume that the economic situation in the first world is so bad that the economy crashes and states break down wouldn't it be infinitely worse in the third world?. Countries like somalia,Lebanon,Bangladesh are overpopulated and teetering on collapse how are they going to be better for these foreigners. Also those city's like Birmingham and Bristol have the benefit of previously existing infrastructure and rules of law which the migrants home countries don't have. It seems very far fetched to think the migrants would want to leave to places that would be even worse then britian
International institutions run by the globalists will back up any globalist regime that encounters these kind of difficulties, as in the case of the countries named above, look at Ukraine its been bankrupt for some time but is propped up. Any collapse would have to happen everywhere at once.
B/c the breakdown process accelerates. Money is printed ever faster, until eventually the general popultion see that it won't last. Think of Weimar Germany.
