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Follow this link to see the new IMPROVED AUDIO version! Big thanks to Derek Osborn for the clean on-set audio of the Fire Captain dialogue. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-W03SxiMpn0w.html
Sorry to say Jack Hardemeyer brought this on himself. When someone's that pigheaded, it's tough to get through to them, and they have to learn the hard way.
During the end credits, Hardemeyer was seen among the crowd singing with them and I have wondered how he got out of the slime wall. My guess it when the slime was weakening as the growd was singing, it must've released Hardemeyer.
I really like the idea of Hardemeyer getting eaten by the slime. It really helps to establish the threat of the slime by showing it can kill someone in this form. That's more exciting than it just being an impenetrable wall. And it's a neat homage to Wizard of Oz to see only his shoes survive.
Very cool! Can ultimately see yeah the desire to keep things moving/pacing. I'm sure there were other reasons and maybe we're so used to seeing the final cut.
Agreed, the line deliveries were just not conveying a sense of urgency as I was cutting it. (The final movie intercuts it with other scenes too, but since those weren't indicated in the Feb 1989 script, I kept this all linear.) I tightened it in a couple of small ways-- such as delaying the shot of Hardemeyer's shoes falling so I could use it as a cutaway and trim out some fat from an overly lingering reaction shot by Lenny and the GBs. If we had more angles and takes to work with-- and a composer to score it-- I'm sure we could create that missing urgency editorially, just as Reitman and his editors would have. But in the case of shots where there's only one version out there known to the public, our hands are frustratingly tied.
@@LextheRobot I can't remember the exact quote I am thinking I know I've heard Ivan Reitman say something to the effect of the audience already being ahead of you, maybe as it related to an attempt to overexplain or show something the audience doesn't need spoon-fed to them. Don't think it's the instance I'm thinking but I remember trying to explain the Sedgwick midnight buffet. I guess we don't get to see Jack Hardemayer comeuppance there but yeah we did get to see him ejected by the Mayor "Walter Peck" style. No 'just-desserts" though as it's been said.
Happy to help! I agree; the way they split those lines up into two separate deleted scenes for the Blu-Ray was really confusing. I had to chop them both up into segments and then shuffle those like a card deck to get the dialogue into the proper order, per the February 1989 draft of the script. One bit of business occurred in both Blu-Ray scenes-- the bit when the three busters form a wall of proton packs to keep Hardemeyer from going over to the Mayor and Venkman for a second-- so I wound up using video from the closeup and the audio from the wide shot to fuse them into a single continuous moment. Once I figured that out, the rest of it was relatively simple.
I cut this together following the February 1989 draft of the script, in which there's actually lines when Louis picks them up at Parkview Hospital, saying he brought all their gear and gassed up the car. A line like that is usually only included in a script to answer the little continuity questions, so presumably the slime blowers were already in the 1A, though I have to agree: things would've been pretty crowded in the back with four packs, two blowers, and two busters. The deleted 'Sherman Tully' footage would have shown them departing the hospital in Ecto-1A, leaving Louis and his cousin behind. (I guess he took a cab or a city bus back to the firehouse to play dressup with Janine?) The shot of Winston putting on his elbow pads for Ernie Hudson's end credit is the only piece of the Parkview departure scene to survive into the film. www.theraffon.net/~spookcentral/gb2_script.htm
Jack: “Seriously this is ridiculous.” Me: “No, this is just a simple paranormal stuff. You see you’re being too stubborn to see that there are some things that go beyond the realm of human knowledge, understanding and therefore, you cannot accept it. and when you can accept it, do you think you can control it, but this you cannot control.”
Wow, thanks for the 350 views in the first four days, everyone! As of last night, I now have some of the Electronic Press Kit footage *without* the RUN-DMC song overlaid. (I got it from, who else? Derek Osborn. And let's just say he got it from someone who got it from Joe 'Willie' Namath. We don't know how, we don't WANNA know how.) So expect a future recut of this where the Fire Captain can be heard a bit better, and the behind-the-scenes footage of them putting on their packs won't have to be muted.
I love the first, second, the video game (third movie by rights), and Afterlife, I will not and shall not place the 2016 trash among these great movies and it will never be acknowledged as part of the Ghostbusters Franchise.
The odd timing of your comment is that just two days ago our carousel CD player died and I bought a new one. When I got in from work, my wife had placed all the CDs from inside the defunct one atop the dresser. Three were hers, while two of them were the soundtrack to Bohemian Rhapsody and the score for GBII. I honestly didn't even remember owning that one.
Outstanding job. It could have been pacing reasons, but my guess is they didn't want to be cynical. Characters talking about positive energy, then they see Jack killed by slime and then Venkman is smirking about needing Statue of Liberty. Jack's death does not have any impact and it seems very cynical ... which is ... actually in tone with theme of GB2 and how people are sometimes detached from pain around them, but it is too philosophical and paradoxical.
Good point. In the February '89 script for GBII, events would have played out like this: the busters defeat Vigo and see their likenesses in the underpainting. THEN Louis arrives via bus, making a bowling date with Slimer. He sees the celebrations, asks if he's too late, and Ray tells him he's right on time and hands him a bottle of champagne. Then Hardemeyer has this little denouement: "EXT. MUSEUM ENTRANCE - NIGHT (SAME TIME) B132 Hardemeyer staggers out of the museum covered in slime. He looks at the celebrating crowd and his eyes fill with tears. HARDEMEYER (weep?) Happy New Year, everybody! He joins in on Auld Lang Syne." Then the busters basically blackmail Mayor Lenny into paying them for both their 1984 services and 1989 services, by threatening to leave the Statue of Liberty lying on the ground right where she is.
I wish they kept the extended scene despite its pace and timing. It kinda fleshed out each characters a little more to the story. The final cut felt a bit rush on my opinion.
I'm sure the real editors, with access to more angles and takes, could have turned this scene into something better paced than what I was able to make with the scant available-to-the-public footage, but as this reconstruction of mine stands, I think the smash cut to Liberty Island in the film works better without it. Jack's comeuppance had to go somewhere though, so sliding it earlier and giving it to Mayor Lenny is a nice bit of economical rewriting.
Yeah, the mayor already threw them out, so he wouldn't be that annoyed that they got committed. He was just as guilty as Hardemeyer for ignoring their pleas. For him to be that pissed, he would've had to have told Hardemeyer to listen to them and do what they say, not have ignored them and rejected their requests himself.
@@geggy310 I don't know. It was already a bit of a stretch in the theatrical cut that he didn't believe in ghosts despite what happened in the first film, but for him to stand there in front of the slime and still deny it is hard to swallow.
Somewhere there must be, in Sony's vaults. Alas, all that's ever surfaced for the public is that one still shot, which was printed in the Ghostbusters II storybook wirtten by Jovial Bob Stine. (You may have heard of him by one of his other nom de plumes: R.L. Stine, of Goosebumps fame.)
Seriously some people are too stubborn to listen to reason, there’s something beyond the realm of science. And they think the local heroes who knows what’s going on are being accused of something they’re trying to stop but there’s just somethings that are either paranormal, religious and other things that mere humans cannot or will not comprehend and thereby cannot accept.
Very nice job, i would've liked to see everything pre the slime swallowing scene To me i understand why the latter scene was deleted, it doesn't make sense why he's still around considering Lenny was about to beat the hell outta him in the office for committing the Ghostbusters. For him to look slightly annoyed rather than "why are you still here? I fired you! Get him out of here" makes little sense. The tenth level of hell line is excellent however
Ah, well, the thing about that is, the firing scene in the Mayor's office was a rewrite/reshoot that happened late in the making of the movie and was edited in to streamline things for the finale. So it was in effect a replacement for this scene; they never would have used both in the same story. I believe those late reshoots also included all of Egon's closeups when they're standing there looking at the license plate on Ecto, as well as the scene where Winston rescues Ray and Egon from the fire at the firehouse, and the tunnel sequence when they see the severed heads. Ivan Reitman was amazing at realizing what was working and what wasn't, and was particularly adept at course-correcting editorially before the movie opened. This fan-edit is my attempt at a reconstruction of what was originally scripted/shot/intended for Hardemeyer's comeuppance, plus in the original script it was Louis and his cousin Sherman (played by Eugene Levy) who got the 'busters out of Parkview. By writing/shooting/inserting that one quick scene with the Mayor, two storylines were resolved far more quickly: Hardemeyer gets his just desserts and the busters get sprung, all in one fell swoop. Me personally, I always felt the ending is TOO abrupt, but I admit I haven't tried to rework the entire movie per the script in order to see what the resultant pacing would be like.
Unknown. I've been trying to avoid spoilers personally, though some folks already leaked things thoughtlessly on social media, so I know more than I intended to.
Both productions had ridiculously tight deadlines. In the case of the first film, that pressure formed a diamond. For the sequel, not so much. I love both, but the original will always be my preference.
I gave it a shot three years ago, actually. There's not a ton of footage from it out there. Maybe on the next Blu-Ray release, they'll trickle out a clip from it. I've cued this link up to the relevant portion, but you may enjoy the full video from the start for proper context. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j9G6oL7gbjk.htmlsi=EN7zjmmKnjGNm7e1&t=418
@@LextheRobot Well, it was a good try. I also found two more filming images of the scene on Ghostbusters fandom, and the dialogue in November 27, 1988 draft.
@@Vadim_Morozov That's the source for the same shots I used. I zoomed in on the footage to obscure as much of the superimposed contest rules as possible. I felt that the eye was drawn to the words too much.
