this is the best set ever, nowadays Mango and Armada both play way more passively, they're just fucking going at it in this set, they're both soo aggressive
i think it's mostly because it was a faar different time in the metagame man you actually got rewarded back in the day for going the fuck off lol i believe this set was the end of the 2008 hyper-active ssbm era. personally i blame ppmd for the all the lameness apparent in today's play.
Holy poop...I come back and watch this every once and a while and I still get chills every time. I'm an Armada fan myself, but I still respect Mango a ton. This is by far the best set I've ever watched, I don't think I'll ever see a matchup more exciting than these two. Too bad the commentators were completely biased and showed no knowledge whatsoever of the actual game.
Waffles is one of the best players in NorCal, and you are acting like he has no knowledge of the game lmao. And this was at a time when smash was very grassroots and every commentator was just a player they gave the mic, and those players are friends and fans and shit with each other, so of course he was biased.
@thegreatsolar "An MC usually presents performers, speaks to the audience, and generally keeps the event moving. An MC may also tell jokes or anecdotes." Dude checks out. He's not commentating bro. He didn't talk about why a set was won, break down plays, etc. He kept the crowd hyped as an MC should. Regardless of that if you have the mic you can't be saying you want one person to win over the other. If you can't see why that's wrong you might want to enter some far away events.
@LethalXDSSBB to be more specific in the differences between high and over, over implies that a limit has been passed. High is simply a description of the current state compared to normal states. For instance if the speed limit was 25 and you were going 30, you are going over the speed limit, but you aren't going at a high speed relative to what we consider high speeds for a car.
My goodness what a set o_O Mango's Fox is just ridiculous, a little more practice and he'll be able to recreate SuperDoodleMan's "Adventure" >_> Big congratulations to Armada for finally pulling it off in the States. It was a well-deserved victory and I think it was a Peach's first major tournament win (?). Long live Melee.
a couple smart things from mango i noticed 1. armada wasnt used to tomahawk grab. 2. one of his last upsmashes he just stood there and let armada whiff fair for a standing upsmash. he got so used to armada typing his fairs early
Mango's dice roll fell on Snake Eyes. Props to Armada, his greatest weapon above all others is his consistency. He doesn't falter even under the immense pressure. His hard work paid off in the best way in a very symbolic tournament. Mango I personally believe still is a "smarter" player (I use quotes because he makes reckless decisions but reads everyone better). He kind of made risky approaches and was repeatedly punished for doing ledge-to-stage Fox Phantasms- that could've shortened. GGs
Just the facts: Apex 2013 Melee results: The top eight placers main eight different characters and between them used ten different characters in the bracket at one point or another. Apex 2013 Brawl results: Four Metaknights in the top six. Herp. I have NO idea what you mean by some characters in Melee being "not even playable" in the high tier when a Peach player won everything for the last two years and we had a Doc (a mid tier) in the top six.
@andrethefelix Another important thing to note is that Armada's percent damage remained intact at 22% as he comboed Mango to his death on his 3rd stock, which makes his comeback even more remarkable.
@XxFS0FalcoxX LOL!!! That was funny, dude! You should do a world tour with that bit! Imagine, up there on the scene with them spotlights and everything, and you hitting it up with jokes like that. You're gonna be a star, son.
I like the reference waffles makes to PC Chris during OC3 finals. Ive always thought that Mango is a more modern day technical fox but he has the same creativity and combo ability as PC did.
Anyone notice the part where Armada 3-0'd Mango at Apex? I, too, wondered after this tournament whether Mango might still be superior overall. Then Apex happened. Mango might be able to bring it back, but right now, Armada's the best in the world. He's won two straight, and at both those tourneys he's beaten all three of the people he ever lost to in any American Grand Finals (and he has in fact 3-0'd all of them--PP at Genesis 2, Mango and HBox at Apex). Armada's the best. Accept it.
@AstrayChronicle Uhm, a lot of people speak to audiences. He had no part in keeping the event moving. He was commentating, not MCing. He was a color commentator, not a play by play commentator, which would probably just annoy the listeners.
armada is the reason i play peach. i have so much respect for him. even though i grew my love for the game from mango m2k and ss. armada is at the top of the list.
@JCSkaggs A lot of the mindgames switch over well in both games. Melee IS a lot more technical so you'll find yourself struggling on this part a lot more. Melee to Brawl transition actually was very smooth for me but I couldn't resist just playing Melee over it.
Some people say that the crowd was annoying/they want real commentary, but for sets like these I actually really like the hype and stuff, Idk if anyone agrees with me.
I definitely wouldn't say FD is fairest stage. It puts a lot emphasis on pure combo ability and skews matchups in favor of which character has the better combos (hence, why people would always ban this stage again IC's, who have horrendously good chaingrabs). Also, the dude talking about Falco's recovery was talking about how Peach and Samus don't die off the sides as easily as they would on another stage like Yoshi's story. FD is a really good Falco stage though. Lasers all day.
no, and there's no reason to. it'd be like putting a limit on running or rolling. there's a ledgegrab-limit in brawl because quite a few characters have ways to safely infinite stall by the ledge, so they could conceivably get a stock or percent advantage and spend the rest of the match camping the ledge
I was actually waiting to see your input. I just think that the 2-5 weeks before EVO would help. But like you said...somewhere before, being at the top is another level none of us can feel, so can't say much.
@BuIIetBiII I commented on Mango because that's what everyone was talking about, thus "adding my opinion". But if you want my opinion on Armada, here it is: I've seen him for as long as I've see Peaches. I've gotten used to it, and followed and sometimes been part of the development of his new techniques, so he can't really surprise me with anything. I can't even see what makes him so good, because all I see is a Peach that doesn't suck. His strength is being consistent with his high level play.
Yeah the 2,5-3,5 weeks before did help, it was better then nothing for sure. I just think it was worse for me then for most players since I used to play basically everyday so that's why every small detail was easy for me back then. The basics will always be with me, the hard parts will from now on be hard for me. But yeah thanks for taking it the right way =)
For the record, I'm reasonably certain that Armada has said it doesn't bother or affect him, at least not anymore. And even if he hasn't said it, Apex 2012 pretty much proved it.
@LahtiSuomi I'm not doubting that he was very influential in the smash scene. I also wasn't commenting on him being an amateur player or novice when it come knowing the game. I was simply saying that he was an amateur commentator. Finally, no where did I make the assertion that I could do better, that's why no one has heard me commentate.
@ajpanton I agree. It was a sort of dilemma for Mango. If he slowed down to lessen the risk of mistakes, he would most likely get edged out by Armada pound for pound. If Mango played at the higher level (the level where he would beat Armada) he would have much less room for error. In short, Armada won because his mind was more in sync with his character than Mango. You could tell from the match the things Mango wanted to do in his head, but clearly Fox wasn't responding correctly at times.
Except for the friendlis with Mango when he was in Sweden I played 2-4 games with Peach since the day I won Apex 2013 and until I started to practice for EVO which was like 2,5 weeks before maybe. So yeah 6 months is way more accurate then 2 or 3 months. Get you facts right before trying to tell people stuff about me. Don't like to sound rude but just annoyed when people just claim stuff about me without having no idea
Thanks for uploading this. Looking way better than the live version thingy. Fuck sake, can't express how happy I am for Armada. He's been second soo many times now and finally makes it. Good set, good shit Armada. You too Mango.
we'll never see these two engage in godlike combat ever again. Neither will we see m2k vs armada. Soo sad, as those were two epic ass sets between mango/armada/m2k
