George Building Collapse | Construction worker claims pillars not strong enough to support building 

In South Africa ?????

That will come, the most important thing now is to rescue.

@@1gerard47 Indeed ,but you understand the anger at corrupt officials passing plans ,whatever at the expense of lives .They all belong to families .Stupid South African government .Vetri EC Komani 🙏🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏

He's the structural engineer. Wait till you see the architect. No wonder the house of cards collapsed.

Don't blame SABC, when there's no accountability from the city officials to the construction manager on site...who is supposed to be 16.1 in terms of SHEQ ACT

​@@Mantaray911 Ok You are probably the architect

Your DA doesn't want to come to explain they don't even want to name the culprit company so what do you want SABC do.

​​@@Mantaray911why was he introduced as a construction worker? At 04:10 he says "I was working like a cleaner"

Honestly If The Building Was 3D printed do you believe that this would have occurred

Thats right buddy and you know what the Structural engineer is in trouble

Playing the blame game at this time is being insensitive 😒

This would not have been an issue with the labour, but at a much higher level.

Exactly 💯, cheap labour that is why DA is fighting for their illegal foreigners to stay in our country

​@@amandamdambamdamba doesn't make it not any less valid.

and i think imported cheap cement from India

Exactly. Happened in Durban with the mall collapse and I never heard anyone held accountable or facing criminal charges, actually.

This happens in South Africa, no one be held accountable for what happened.

@deenielsen9623 in South Africa justice is money. The poor cheap labour don’t have money. You can see majority are illegal immigrants and no one will beheld accountable. Remember Esidimeni case people were held accountable because of media and it was against the government. But this is private sector and media is on their side and they will tell public on how this guys create employment and we must be greatful

spot on - but then those workers start to join unions and start mass actions and down tools.... because entitlement. Thank your socialist government.

No South Africa has no problem with illegal immigrants its white people who own restaurants, farms and construction companies who go for unskilled cheap labor , I know this people get paid around R1800 a month for working hours and hours which is something South Africans can not do. its not the immigrants that are wrong its the employers and department of labor

Accident and death has no nationality... ! Just taught about the reactions from locals when T.B Joshua building collapsed.....

Maybe it's south Africans know too much rights and lazy

When people say they not getting job because owners of means of production are employing foreigners to exploit them...

Will you be satisfied if race has nothing to do with this?

@@LVC85costa yes, someone must be held accountable, race has got nothing to do with this.

You have valid points

I agree with everything you have highlighted, except for the BBBEE part.

​@@LVC85costaOh races does have something to do with this, just not in the way this man hopes. The firm is completely white. They hired illegal workers, there have been other interviews with the workers and they have stated they are illegals of their own accord(that one was from Malawi) , the man they spoke to was only 18. If they are hiring an 18 year old illegal Malwian, how likely is it that one of the people either under the rubble or who once worked on this was under age?

It doesn't mean his stupid to and I believe it's not his first time working at such a big construction site

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I think he meant "Craner" a person operating a Crane and not a cleaner. What would a cleaner be doing at an unfinished construction for heavenly sake? Malawians have a problem with the letter R which is why you hear them say one land instead of one Rand. I have answered you.

@ Honeybee897 you are spot on because I know they can’t pronounce R. I also wondered what is the cleaner doing there?

How do you know that he's undocumented??

Seems there were a lot of illegal immigrants involved in this building. So far I am seeing a lot of people from Mozambique, Lesotho and Zimbabwe being interviewed

@@RastaAfricanGentleman How did you come to the conclusion that they're illegal though?? I agree that they're immigrants.

​@@MrLechesathey are illegal because the skills are not scarce skills so they don't have work visa

@@Afrosoil11 Did you confirm that or just speculating?? Did they all show you their papers??

Do you undermine information from this worker because he's wearing overalls?

How do you know if he's not an engineer?

Because an engineer knows and understands that this will be subject of investigation and he/she will be legally liable

Typical racist comment - all design documents must be submitted and stored by the municipality - the next check is to determine if the correct reinforcement was fixed in the columns apart from the fact that concrete stress tests should also have been done - this is certainly not the case of simply believing a worker no matter how clever or experienced

The Engineers including the owners of this company, are being shielded by the city officials,..no where found...I wonder why??

Why do you say it was unprofessional? I'm just seeking to understand.

Correct

Maseko is not only confined to SA alone. Know your History guys...Africans are one...Bantu...However the truth is it is probably 99.9% that the guys are undocumented migrants which like you said the home affairs should look into seriously....and punish heavily the employer not to target the poor migrants. You can never I say never control migration for as long as the pull and push factors still exist. What a country can do is to push hash penalties on those who hire their cheap poor people

You talking nonsense wena

@ aaronbreakfast1420 this guys are trying to get South African opportunities. If this guys are Nguni then why they struggle to speak Zulu or Xhosa or Swati on their arrivals in South Africa. I know they will tell you how some words are similar in both cultures but Swahili is not a language but mix of Arabic and local languages. So as Arabic traders learn the word mbuzi and they will use the same word when they get to Malawi from South Africa. Then the locals would see a white men and assume that is his language when he says mbuzi but he was just trading using key words of items he want to buy or sell. You will see words like manzi apparels to be common and means the same that’s because when they need water they had to use key words for people to understand them. Just like whites assume everyone is Zulu on South Africa they also thought the same about all Africans. So to see what do I mean when I say this are just key words common and how the Malawian got them or Zambian was because of trade with the Arabs, Chinese , Greeks and Dutch. So today ask a true Malawian to make statement asking for water and see it’s not the same like in South African Nguni language. If they can’t make sentences using the similar language but using only key words that is not language but baby language. It’s like when people says in their language baby means nana and mother means mama . This are easy sound that a baby can make they didn’t have meaning but we made them to help baby identify people that are important . Hence even white people use that sound “mama” to mean mother in baby language. Will you say whites and blacks speak the same language because of 10 of few words intended to bridge barrier of communication and the answer is no

Oh yes indeed

Its not gonna be just him. Its also going to be all injured parties and the fact that the whole building is now in the basement.

sabc...what a buncha r'soles!!!

Engineers won't be guessing

He is equally important as your so called engineer. He was working on site. Building the same property which collapse

Are the engineers trapped or died?

...absolutely, how dare Ramaphosa didn't make sure that the private developer did his job properly 🥱

Indeed. In DA governed George Western Cape.

I belive they have brought professionals from Gauteng.

As a local, there is no space to fit that many rescue workers. This happened in a small street and you will see previous videos about how they moved rescue cars to make space, etc. The families are also waiting in a different area and Im sure that is due to space. Please follow the George Herold for updates. Also, the whole building is lying on debris, which I don't know if you have ever played Jenga, but if one piece moved it could cause more collapses. And if you have followed the whole process you will see that the areas they are walking on now have previously been searched and declared safe. (also see how they use red lines to see when the concrete shifts, etc). So there is a reason why everything is happening the way it is. It is so fast to become a keyboard warrior but lets rather salute the real handful of heroes that don't wear capes and pray for their safety as well as the trapped souls.

@@denverkruger237 They have yes. The experts from Cape Town arrived a few hours after the incident and more experts were on their way from Gauteng as well.

Perhaps they want to make sure that all survivors are gone so that they avoid the red tape. They're indeed very slow

I belive that the pace is slow for a reason.You don't rush in and move concrete etc because falling debris can cause further damage/injury to those who are trapped -in fact rushing in and moving debris hastily is likely to lead to the death of any potential survivors.Well done to the rescue teams who went in with a plan and who stuck to that plan.I salute you all for your service.​@@mosalethoba5267

To pinpoint a challenge, is it politics any whatever involves human being is politics. He is telling his observation nothing else.

Such an incident is not of any surprise to me. It is amazing how many role players you get in such projects, who simply provide signatures on documents without doing their work properly. Your architect, structural engineer (working remotely, away from the site), contractor (the useless one with the bakkie and phone glued to his ear), the subcontractor (the poor unqualified guy doing most of the work) and the NHBRC inspector that never inspects (but charges for the registration of the plan). Just went through a nightmare of building a new property in Kouga, hence know all about these sad practises! So, I doubt it, if even, the engineer, will give you the correct information.

And you think the people on the ground who do the physical assembly of these buildings can't tell wrong from right according to their experience in the field or are undeserving of an opinion?

are there still any white engineers left in the country

He is being interviewed as a worker and questions are about his observations,he don't need to be an expert . Yes expects are being interviewed on TV on most updates, but at this point this particular reporting is to do with this worker ahs what he observed and I see nothing wrong with that

You talking nonsense it all about cheap labour.You people you think we are stupid who build this country before this foreigners came here This country foreigners like because how beautiful it is it was build by South Africans.

What an unacceptable and insensitive comment coupled with laughing mojis. Sis maan

@@amandamdambamdamba tell me one thing I said that is not factual? The SABC and ANC have squandered billions. A bunch of clowns that have no idea what they are doing. Same thing for the post office and SAA.

@@amandamdambamdamba what did I say that is not factual?

@Ginger4789: Do you think workers are Untermenschen incapable of making informed observations?

Didn't you hear him it's his abservation he is a worker so he know something

Asking a labourer's opinion, really

​@vivicohen199 yes. They are labourers not engineers

Maybe he knew, more sand then Cement was used in the mixed of the Pillars.

Every i tv station is nterviewing illegal and legal immigrants on our behalf.

Just say black illegal foreigners because every so called white person is legal, and cannot be negatively targated in SA

Not necessarily...the foundations, slabs or beams may not have been adequate. That is why you get someone who knows what they are talking about to analyze the drawings and the site

They don't actaul.. The engineer takes full responsibility for this type of structure.. Unless they have building inspector who is a registered engineer..

Ja u is reg die bou inspektuer is die man wat sien Dat Allen volgens plan uitgevoer word

You are so confidently wrong.

The line of responsibility is in the documentation and is not the same for every building site. Some areas of responsibility may fall on the architect, engineer and other parties, all for the same project. For smaller projects the bulk of responsibility may fall on the architect.

@@Feirin332 also wrong.

They are Employed in South Africa so they can vote for The ANC while they are Stealing Jobs from South Africans that are Suffering Financially and that are Jobless.

He's a cleaner, probably illegal in the country.. his opinion wouldn't have been heard.

​@@loveandlight3486 I understand your reasoning, and it's unfortunate that some people feel unable to speak up because they think they don’t have the 'right' background or experience. However, this should not be an excuse for complacency. If he had voiced his concerns to the engineering council or the responsible engineer and was still ignored, this oversight would need to be addressed. But at least he could demonstrate that he took all the necessary steps to raise awareness about his concerns. This could also empower others with similar perceptions, regardless of their background or experience, to speak up when they see unsafe practices.

@howdiynot: Your point being ....?

Rubbish

Was thinking the same thing, 60 odd foreigners and they say theres no work in South Africa.... Probably cheap labour.

This is not the time! Please man!

​@@vivicohen199cheap labour..??

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Do you know the engineers? Are you certain that they are Blacks? Or you are just full of hatred of Africans in Africa... I really doubt a black engineer would have got the chance to be involved in the design of a building in the DA ran municipality...

Highly unlikely that there was BEE involved here. These are your folks, lol

Neo Trend Real Estate was the builder. They are a white firm, not a single non-white is an executive. You see you have been conditioned not to use your brain. Do just a bit of research before being racist.

He has a South African surname, to my surprise

​@@mosesnkosi4252exactly.. Maseko from Malawi 🤔

Have you ever think of Bantu​@loveandlight3486

​@mosesnkosi4252 africa is a global village unfortunately your there geographically south, try to explore to north or west that's when you will realize that those names you claim are not a big deal

The surname Maseko is also found in Malawi, it is a Ngoni name ..related to Zulu migration up into Malawi, amongst others the region South of Dedza in central Malawi .

This is a DA run city.Local skilled tradesmen mostly coloured and blacks don't support the DA therefore they don't get the jobs of white owned construction and development companies. They are also more outspoken against poor construction methods and building engineers cutting corners for profit above safety.

​@@NYGlobal-ye7prgot nothing to do with them. The contractor has to explain this..

@@moegamatdollie What do you mean? White people are the only ones that hire illegal immigrants. The reason is cheap labour of course. The fact that this guy is not a South African says it all

They were probably striking

​@@patrickcannell2258The contractor was a white firm, what are you talking about?

All companies do that now. This is a sad reality. They feel South Africans are too expensive and always on strike and expect people to work for cheap labor. Why do you think they all are fighting for foreigners in this country to stay and take the Minister of DOHA to court every week. Even our own politicians are fighting for them. We South Africans are not loved by our own leaders. No wonder the disrespect from our neighbors.

Search the firm. Neo Trend Real Estate is fully white owned and managed firm, this is a DA run area after all. Google is your friend lest you make provably false statements like now.

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Illegal foreigners

The reason they are using people from Malawi and other counties is that they are cheaper, faster, reliable and they don't strike.

​@gertfurstenburg4166 Nonsense! Putting people's lives in danger because of them being cheaper. Look where faster brought them. You sound like that white boss who's using people. 1 day you'll go and be a foreigner in another country and hope they also pay you for cheap labor. The difference between you and this Malawian his probably illegally in the country, and you will be legal in a foreign country. We have all the right to strike when we are not happy because of your mentality, thinking people must continue being slaves after years of democracy.

​@@gertfurstenburg4166That's a nice way of saying you can exploit them.

What I thought exactly…. Easy to say now that he knew it!!!

So , he is gone...nuh?

As a matter of fact you can. You can have your slabs supported on load bearing walls up to a safe load which an engineer will calculate

Truth shal be told and you don't want to hear that.thats why SA is sinking

Mate, like every caring person, I want to know the truth. If this person realised the pillars were not load bearing and he had the expertise - why did he allow himself and his colleagues to venture into an unsafe building. I will not let anybody on my site if I suspect any compromise in building regulations - in one aspect you are right - S A sinking - but I spent 40 years of my life trying to keep it afloat.

@@reuben7594exactly, he could have spoken up earlier, before it came to this disaster.

Why. You are more worried with the structural engineer. What about all these illegal foreigners in jobs that South Africans should be doing. After, this is our country, not theirs!!

Easy - maybe he had a Nguni father, say a South African from Maseko family but a Malawian father. So he grew up in Malawi at his mother's family and when grown up, he moves to SA, the land of his father's family - that's one way Malawian can become a Maseko, or rather, a Maseko can become a Malawian

...according to the people on the ground, what should be the size and spacing for columns designed to carry a 5 storey apartment building with a double basement level and no use of load bearing brick walls?

His father?

Home affairs

He bought it. Stole someone's identity

😂 Masekos are originally Malawians not Swati just like Shongwe who are chongwe. Some of this surnames came to South Africa early but their grandfather were better than this new wave of Malawians or Zimbos or mozambicans.

@gigi-vx8sy Mayor of eThekwini Mxolisi Kaunda is Zambian but their parents have been here for some time. Her sister was advising the presidency. But just because they are living among the Zulu or they speak Zulu doesn’t make them Zulu and this is the problem we accommodate and now people start to forget and mix tribes

U talking rubbish

Even in death you still portraying xenophobic behavior 😢 come on who is your people and who is not, can you create people you??? Don't be like that. This is a painful moment...

It won't change anything they are not our people makwere kwere😂

@@user-yc4ef2wd3r US the real citizens we don't make noise, you are a kwerekwere yourself...ask your mum

Dan het hy nog n Suid Afrikanse Van ook. Ons moet vergeet van ons kinders se toekoms in hierdie land want ons kinders gaan soos buitelanders wees in hulle eie land. Die feit dat hulle voel Suid Afrikaners is lui en wil nie werk nie dis waarom al hierdie base hle huur vir minder salaris