Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating The Most Skilled NBA Players 

You missed the point whole video….most SKILLED. All 8 boxes

Kyrie is an excellent offensive player… but that’s ONE SIDE THO. We done with the 2020s

Exactly, even Warriors Andre Iguadola admitted that Kyrie was and is a greater offensive threat than his own teammate Steph Frickin Curry (watch the podcast if you don't believe me) And some ppl say kyrie's handles too excessive, but 1)first of all that was in his young cavaliers and celtics days! Right now he is one helluva efficient scorer who deosn't do a several flashy moves to get by defenders, and 2)secondly, his handles being excessive is actually a frickin COMPLIMENT because it means he was able to afford to be flashy and do cool moves and actually end up getting by defenders which is harder to do than with simple effective moves!!! There is not a single player in this league who gets double or even triple teamed more than kyrie, and that's just a fact

@@andrewkong7676I was w you til u said it ain’t another player who gets doubles and trips on em Giannis Joker

Kyrie is also a turnover machine, you clealry know that right?? hows kyrie skill can prevent it?

Against Dallas. Remember it like yesterday

@@killzone7890 yep. Mark cuban was awestruck

and kyrie hit a left handed floater leaning to the left a foot inside the 3pt line with a 7ft-er chasing him for the win

Never ever was Kobe in the 90 50 40 for the season. Kobe killed his shot at most skilled player by relinquishing his era's greatness to try and become Jordan. Sorry Kobe but you did it to yourself

@@awptsmwth does that have to do with SKILL?? Y'all are ridiculous lol

This prolly the best thing I’ve read lol cause I swear I be arguing with the homies lol

Kyrie don’t got Kobe defense though and when your taller , your dribbles aren’t the same when you’re 6”1 Take it from someone who’s played professional basketball before *

Kyrie does not have the athleticism that Kobe had nor the defense so Kobe would’ve still be more skilled.

Kobe had more hart, it’s also about how much energy you put in it, the rpm your heart is running with. Kobe had higher energy put then Kyrie. Therefore I would have taken Kobe even if he was same size as Kyrie. Maybe Kyrie is able of that amount of shifting because of the smaller size.

Kyrie is wayyyyyy to spotty one night he’s dropping 35 next night he’s dropping 18 to 20

That wasn’t 1:49 lol

@@niriboy8952 Are you penalizing me for context??

Facts. Kyrie at the rim is a bucket lol

I think what Brandon said is as bout as accurate fr

Ik this hs nothing to do with the vid but Yeo I’m tryna build a strong fanbase as an artist is my music fire?

and nothing special, he needs someone much better than him for him to shine, like Lebron, KD, Tatum and Luka

Facts

@@joeymannynot true

@@MakaveliDioryes true Cry to your momma

@@joeymanny bro Kyrie been Kyrie since Kyrie started basketball he’s gone shine regardless if he’s the best player in the team or the 5th best player on the team, y’all don’t make any sense at all

Yes indeed. He better see me. 🙏🏾

he cant do shit but that wack dream shake...

@@pettywap1183 We done with you 2020's.

@@pettywap1183 Kobe was his best student. 🙄

@@DjAlizay kobe overated tho

@@pettywap1183underrated

“Im Merely A Host” 😂

gets you?

@@g..._anthony27English isn’t your first language ?

@@camcruise9600not his first language for sure

@@MrDboi92 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hate when Josiah drops that sorry line

Gil is off on this one. LeBron dribbles but never been a skillful dribbler

@awptsm he didn't say Bron checked all the boxes though

kobe and Mike at one time in their careers was avg. at shooting and handling the ball effectively. Kobe and Mike volume shooter.6'7 /6'8and posting up smaller players ... Kyrie can post smaller and bigger Athletic wings ..... Kobe forced a lot of shots Early on just like Mike utilizing their athletic gifts to score ... They also was fortunate to be 6'6/6'7 and Gil said jumping is skill ? How do you evaluate a jumping skill ? Height / Athletic parameters will skew the score... A skill is acquiring a level of expertise ... I challenge Gil to come up with the list first that defines best skill ever then let's score it... Mike and Thomas are the only ones that would score higher then Kyrie if done correctly... Kyrie's Efficiency should scale him to the top of the list ! Defense is not a liability but no where need a Mike or Kobe .. Kyrie doesn't just dribble and if you watch the games he moves exceptional well with out the ball and still scores ... He is a great rebounder at his position ... I put his basketball IQ at the top of the food chain as well...

@sekeeclarke7476 Kobe and Mike are 6'6" and posted but smaller, stronger, and bigger players. You wrote all that just to be wrong lol

I didn't say they didn't post bigger players what I expressed was they had size advantage at time based upon they height and play calling .. Height ok.. Depending who you ask.. 6'6 or 6'7' listed .. Kyrie regardless of the advantage can post big and small..

Just go watch Kobe highlights bro there was nothing he couldn’t do offensively he. He’s made a left handed 3 against Dallas. A left handed post up shot against the pelicans. Turn around fade from 3 against a double team against Portland. And many more bro. Just go look

Kd has 3 50 40 90 seasons 🥱

@@iBeKillinDem23lebron did that too but i dont say lebron because he shoot both hands. Like imma say they not comparable. Kyrie coming off the dribble on his assassin but kobe getting it from the point guard then going to work. So you not gonna see him dribble and kyrie same thing

when skill is mentioned, skill is everything on the court, not just how you score. Lebron, mj, kd, kobe are the types that do EVERYTHING. Kyrie is not the most skilled, gifted scoring? Maybe, most skilled ? Hell no!!!!

Exactly people ain’t factoring in his height bro shi he’s doing is insane and he can shoot with the best of em🤷🏽‍♂️

Exactly how is Jokic's skills not considered? Jokic is much better than Kyrie but his game is "boring" while Kyrie spins, stepback, and hooks might look impressive, Jokic's simple moves are so much more effective, Jokic is actually twice as skilled as Kyrie if you add in rebound, assist and IQ

what?

@@JohnnytNaturalbeing 7 foot tall don’t make it skilled. He’s suppose to get rebounds compared to 6’2 guard

No that’s not it…Ofrensive skill my guy..Things that you can actually learn. He mentioned attributes that in basketball comes with height and size not skill.

@@elislifestyle4605 okay so if we're going to normalize it based on height than AI is more skilled and even Muggy and Earl Boykin are more skilled, stop it, 7 ft players are normally less coordinated, people are judging skills based on visual let's just agree to that definition

Rose didn’t post up

MJ rarely shoot 3s

💯💥💥💥You hv to put prime D.Rose in there too. Prime rose was a rare species, foreal.

Kobe had more foot work than mj in the post and fade

@@jamesmcneil6527 and cant score better than MJ, Kobe has more bricks like Russel westbrook, while MJ is in the elite efficiency and the game looks so easy to MJ because he knows how to use his skills in different situation than kobe

Kobe was not a better player than MJ but he was more skilled than MJ.

(A+ in both primary skills). Kyrie is the best all around shot maker and ball handler with either hand. He does things with the ball on the regular, against the absolute best defenders in the world that I've never seen anyone else ever do on any level. I can't think of many moves I've seen anyone else do in an nba game that he hasn't. Kobe's the only comp but Kyrie got more in his bag imo. (A- passer) He's a very good-great passer, certainly not top tier in this category but brilliant nonetheless, rarely turns the ball over. (A+ footwork) His offensive footwork is second to none. Whether he's facing the basket with a live dribble or back to the basket, triple threat or going full speed, and everything in between, the footwork is impeccable. (B+ iq) he knows what he's doing for sure but I wouldn't say he's shown to see the game as well as the savants (cp3, kidd, nash, bron, luka, joker, rondo etc) Third tier skills can be debated till the cows come home none of them can qualify a player as the most skilled in the sport of basketball even with all perfect scores. Ie Giannis. (Skill ≠ effectiveness, if Giannis had a reasonably reliable mid range id take him over anyone in history besides LeBron). Also defense and rebounding are more dependent on third tier skills than anything else, iq n footwork can factor in but they won't help u defend or rebound if u lack those third tier skills.

This is a really good Analysis….. Thku. 👏 👏 👏 🔥…

Very grateful for the feedback!@@sekeeclarke7476

would you rather have Duncan at PF or Giannis?

Duncan

​@@jonmcmann6811Timmy.

Tim

Duncan has zero handles

Plus he‘s playmaking 🔥

Nobody is saying that because just ball handling. It’s Kobe though for sure but this comment is inaccurate

​@KingMcElvy you'd be surprised. I've read many comments saying it's Kyrie just because he has better handles than Kobe

@@KingMcElvy literally every time this talking point gets fired up again about kyrie being the most skilled it’s because of some crazy crossover or some and1 mixtape layup

Naw it’s finishing in all with Kai

​@@KingMcElvyIt's Lebron over Kobe. Lebron can do it all at the high level. Kobe don't make no player better.

I'm glad you caught that. He's a Lebron hater lol

He could do everything except shoot over 50% for a season. He ain’t even top 25 in efficiency all time. He was skilled but most skilled ever? Stop it. He wasn’t efficient enough to have that title.

@@withallduerespect5258 that running joke is lame. Let it go

@@withallduerespect5258right

Kobe was nice but definitely didn’t have Kyrie handles or finishing. The skills Kobe had was damn near close to perfect though.

@@DineroMadeIt730 it’s not a joke. It’s the truth Kobe fans don’t wanna hear.

Yes Olajuwon is because of his skills he becomes an all time great and Franchise player, Kyrie didnt even made top 75 or become a franchise player

@@joeymannyi can tell you a casual just by the answer

@@tafarrii and yet you calling me casual and you dint have any context, first of all olajuwon is a center it is very difficult for a 7 footer to do crossover ,and front up your defender doing guard moves but still he is doing it in a regular basis, He is a big man with bigger hands and easier to steal the ball since he bounce alot higher compare to guards and its hard to contro a dribble with large hands because it will be like dribbling a tennis ball. Skillwise Olajuwon is arguably the best since nobody can do things he consistently doing, like they mention wemby ball handling skills looks good as a big but it takes alot of skill to do that as 7'5". Will I penalize Kyrie post up game if he is so limited to do back to the basket? , hell no because he got disadvantage when bigger guards guarding him. A guy like olajuwon who dribble like a gurd is harder than any guard who does the same moves

@@tafarriifor sure

no

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No he was not, he actually didn’t make any sense

@@oodlesnnoodles8670 He is he put skills into context, Visual skills have no value if they cant result to changing the goal post. Skilled player like Larry legend move the goal post and does impact the game thats why Larry is a Franchise player while Kyrie is not

@@joeymannybruh. What? U Tweakin😂

Man Gil made 0 sense 😂😂😂

Jordan is definitely not in the most skilled player conversation. He never will be. Same thing for Bron, Kareem and more. Skill is how many moves you have in your bag to get off a shot.

@@cyberbron2077you just said Jordan wasn’t skilled but would say Kobe was is kinda fuckin hypocritical

@@lolocarr4561 how. Kobe was more skilled than Jordan. I never said Jordan wasn’t skilled, he’s just not as skilled as Kobe.

​@@cyberbron2077I disagree! I think MJ was more skilled than Kobe or Kyrie 💯 better scorer, defender, passer, rebounder, steals, and blocks.. more efficient, more fundamentally sound, more clutch, etc...

​@@user-rz2gp2hm9zpreach!

he made it into the league in a world of niggas that didnt make it into the league

He’s still a pro!

@@avyoneray9163 so what. his takes are trash

Stop what?

mccants played in phillippines and didn’t even dominate man😢

wrong rebounding, defense, pick and roll etc. are skills too . Charles barkley is 6'4" but he dominates the rebounds and post up game with skills not only physical attributes. Same as Larry Bird, Prime Larry is 30-10-9 shooting 57% fg 40% 3 pt. Larry knows how to rebound technically and facilitate the ball better than kyrie. Skills is more than one on one play which is just a single criteria of skills

Thank you!!! If a guy could SKILLFULLY grab rebounds and Defense but the next guy can SKILLFULLY shoot and dribble. We definitely taking the second guy over the first guy because offense beats defense!!!!

​@@joeymannyYou guys need to go look up what the definition of what a skill is as far as it pertains to basketball because you obviously don't understand the question

@@elaboraterjohnson7321 and yet that guy you choose kyrie is never been a franchise player but 2nd fiddle guy at best, LArry Legend skills is elite and can dominate a decade win rings as FRANCHISE PLAYER, we saw kyrie been the guy for Cavs and they are bottom feeder, NJ Nets bottom feeder without KD, and he is not even that good with the celtics with so called skills. With all his offense highlight he is just not that good enough to be a dominant skilled payer, But Larry legend is

Nope! MJ. 🙏🏾

Cap

Kobe and him are a tie

@@Saviiqnahh Kobe don’t have Kyrie package

Kobe is more skilled

@@MGB2408 false. Kyrie is too technical with Skill you can’t replicate it.

Melo 🐐

Problem is y’all only concerned about offense/scoring. 🤤

the thing is, they’re talking about skill as a WHOLE, not jus offensively. yes kyrie offensive wise , skill is prolly unmatched til you add in guys like kobe. but like gil said, factor everything into skill, w both ends of the spectrum, it’s gon be kobe everytime.

the only weakness bron has is free throws lmao

@@peterkoroma7876 Lebron don’t have foot work though Jordan and Kobe had that foot work that’s a skill too

the internet has just turned into a marathon of hate lmao. Pushing whatever bias i might have to the side that dude does have good footwork, if he didn't I'd say just like how I've called him out for his free throws@@jamesmcneil6527

@@jamesmcneil6527bron is very quick he just blow past his opponents. He really don’t need it. Kobe and MJ had to develop those foot work as they gotten older for post up and mid range. Older bron is still taking it to the paint like he young man

Said perfectly! Just because someone does more things, doesn’t make them more skilled. “A man of many things but a master of nothing”

I Dig it!!!

Him and grant hill.

@@Infamousjr719grant hill ain’t in the discussion. No jumpshot.

@@aubhreypender3091 casual take. 😭

​@@aubhreypender3091before injuries he was a monster and problem

@@aubhreypender3091 G Hill game half of his game is perimter shooting both Duke and his early pistons. G-Hil quality shots is better than kyrie, because theres no wasted motion

At 3s only..... His dribbling is overrated..... I watched him play against the lakers & he doesn't / can't dribble past anyone.... But great at coming off screens with or without the ball..... Plus isn't clutch

@@yuryberrios7003you def don’t know ball casual

Kobe is the more skilled player because he has more aspects of the game as a whole checked. Doesn’t mean Curry isn’t a killer, he’s just not as skilled as Kobe in the game.

​@@ytvel4273 bingo

I gotta disagree with you, cuz Warriors player Andre Iguadola admitted that Kyrie was and is a greater offensive threat than his own teammate Steph Frickin Curry (watch the podcast if you don't believe me) And some ppl say kyrie's handles too excessive, but 1)first of all that was in his young cavaliers and celtics days! Right now he is one helluva efficient scorer who deosn't do a several flashy moves to get by defenders, and 2)secondly, his handles being excessive is actually a frickin COMPLIMENT because it means he was able to afford to be flashy and do cool moves and actually end up getting by defenders which is harder to do than with simple effective moves!!! There is not a single player in this league who gets double or even triple teamed and is able to make shots more than kyrie, and that's just a fact

he is telling the truth, visual presentation is just visual, the like of Larry Bird will destroy you with the same possesion that you didnt know what hit you. larry might be slow but he so skilled he can dominate a a big dand strong defender and also a quicker shorter defender. He is unstoppable I would rank Larry above Kyrie all the time with the rules when larry is dominating

@@joeymanny VISUAL PRESENTATION?? SO IS IT HAPPENING OR JUST AN ILLUSION? FICTION? OR IMAGINARY? EVERYTHING TECHNICALLY IS VISUAL PRESENTATION. MY PRESENTATION JUST BETTER. I PASS ALL CLASSES. FINISHING, SHOOTING, OFF THE DRIBBLE SHOOTING, POST UP, MIDDY, FLOATERS, ELBOW WORK. AND IT LOOKS GORGEOUS. SAUCE GOAT. LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY HALL OF FAME. THATS LIKE SAYING JIM BROWN WAS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN BARRY SANDERS. OR DARRELL REVIS IS BETTER THAN PRIME TIME. JOHN STOCKTON BETTER THAN IVERSON. LMAO 🤣 CONTEXT WAS SKILL, GILL REBUTTAL STOPPED AT DRIBBLING LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣.

@@10-illmatic again lets put the skill in context, the goal is to win basketball and deliver, Kyrie skills is nothing but visuals but overall, his impact is not better than bad boy isaih thomas and Larry legend skillwise. Bird and Thomas are not fancy but highly effective than kyrie, driving the lane, get by a defender or double team, iso plays, and moving without the ball. Larry and thomas is not a fancy dribbler but they take the ball much better while kyrie is a turbnover machine, thats why it needs to be in context

@@joeymanny The highest level of sports is to not only win, but win in style. If you're so great, you can be dominant and dominate in fashion. That separates the great from the legendary. Kyrie toys with opponents. He can do what they can do, they can never do what he does.

@@joeymannyso does that mean Thomas and bird are turnover machines?, because they average more than kyrie for their careers.🤔

He played 4 seasons and averaged 10 points a game and career high is 34 unless you counting all those over seas games

Have you scored any points in the nba??

I scored as much as he did at my age 🥱

Can you even get 5 in an NBA game ? The nerve of you casuals is really telling

@@emaan3259 I’m not the one talking about giving someone 50 🤣🤷🏽‍♂️

Add passing, and CP3 should be in the conversation.

He just hit a left-handed hook-shot runner-floater buzzer-beater from beyond the free throw line. Versus the 7-footer of the reigning champs.

Exactly i wanna kno when he seen a PG do that​@@penkima4923

Kyrie has nice handles, layup package, and i’ll even give him credit for being clutch, but i’ve always thought he’s been slightly overrated when it comes to this most “skilled” debate. i honestly think Steph might even be nicer in all those guard categories except finishing, with a coin flip for handles, but then extends the gap with his floater game (at which Kyrie’s no slouch) and of course the 3 ball. that’s just O of course not D. when it comes to complete game it’s MJ, Kobe, KD. T-Mac could be in the conversation. Bird too, he was ahead of his time. LeBron gets into the top 5, above Larry, for combining strength and finesse, but also his playmaking and court vision. Kyrie might be top 10 but that’s only if you’re going with a very specific set of criteria. Even now, if we expand the definition I think Joker and Luka might clear him due to how uniquely effective their style of play is.

You need to play basketball cause theres bo way you have this opinion if you actually hoop ​@@whodis5438

@@penkima4923 not impressed with that shit! I seen much better clutch moments! Next!

Yea like Kyrie can score off ball. Off the triple threat. Post-up,. You can’t minimize Kyrie to just dribbling.

That’s most point guard’s

Chill

No sir

they are close, tell me MJ cant do that Kobe can?? But effciencywise MJ is far more better than Kobe. Its like skills doesnt matter if you aint efficient, look at jamal Crawford he is more skilled than Kawhi but no way near jamal can be efficient as Kawhi, or lets Karl Anthony towns has more bag than shaq but 100% nobody will pick Kat over prime shaq because skills means nothing if you aint efficient

He took what jordan had and expanded

He was not

Lmfao you the exact mf they calling out. 😂😂😂

@@kennedy8926 no YOU the mf they talking, people who never actually played. I actually played ball, actually got offers although to lower level colleges still got offers😂 played for multiple amateur men’s leagues, even old men YMCA ball🤷🏽‍♂️. NEVER had a soul talking about 5 levels of scoring. Imagine standing with a person who has LITERALLY has contradicted themselves multiple times in that exact seat

It’s actually a level. Posting basically turns the chess board around and slows the pace. Literally would be a different level and please don’t ever coach.

@@adamfeliciano6321 🤦🏽‍♂️ where are you at when you post up? What does the pace have to do with the level of scoring? Most importantly did you not read where I LITERALLY talked about post ups and the paint?🤣🤣 you thought you got off with that reply but failed MISERABLY

I think Gil is confused about the meaning...There are 3 levels to score from...but a myriad of ways to get a bucket from each level

Also respect Gil for saying "don't dumb our game down, when you don't do it for anyone else" bc I been screaming THAT shit for years too. Basketball media is by far the dumbest sports coverage in the country. You watch an NBA game, the way they talk about it you'd think they just roll the ball our there and whatever happens, happens. Almost never see anyone describe a set that a team is running.. never hear anyone talk about the thought process that goes into decisions that are made on the court. Buuuuuuuuuut.... Gil talking about don't dumb the game down, but has a pod with Rashad Mccants on it.....

I mean kyrie is good at sliding his feet and knocking the ball away without fouling, he actually has great active hands, I’ve only missed 2 mavs games this season and trust me he does the things I just mentioned.

Jennings is justr thinking more on being fancy not the context, Skills must be gauge if it results to winning, Kyrie is a terrible defender and facilitator as a PG, but great in iso, so it means Kyrie is not the most skillful. I would say Gary Payton is far more skilled than Kyrie, since GP led his team to multiple playoffs and also Finals apperance having skills from offense, defense, facilitating and also knowing the weakness of the other players. Kyrie felt short on that, Kyrie skills is just one dimensional

@@joeymannythe fact that you called Kyrie a terrible defender negates everything you just said.

@@RunDown_Topp he is, I watch him play and he is just doesnt have that dog style defending or putting the same effort like he did in offense. Thats why guys like bean bryant, MJ, and even isaiah thomas are in different stratosphere than kyrie when we evaluate the totality of the player skills. Kyrie cannot be a franchise a player, he is just a good support players to a much better player such as luka, Lebron, KD and Tatum

​@@joeymanny facts

@@joeymanny If Kyrie doesn’t get hurt in 2018 , none of you would be talking like this. He never got a fair shot. But anyway fuck a franchise player, he’s a championship who outplayed a “franchise player” twice in the finals. ITs franchise players blowing 3-1 leads. What does that really mean. He was the best player on his team multiple playoff games. If Giannis didn’t intentionally injure him in 2021 he’d be sitting on 2 rings rn. And he’s still the best ball handler and finisher this league has ever seen, one of the most clutch players of all time. That alone, makes him first ballot HOF.

Bums don’t average 15pts in nba

​@@Bornpoegood think he avgd 10 for his career then

@@Bornpoehe averaged 10 stop it 😂

He averaged 9 Brandon was at 14 The actual totals if I’m wrong are besides the point and semantics Brandon was still better. Rashad was an NBA NPC.

That’s not true he’s not bad defender he’s average and always been whole career

LeBron disagrees with you. He just tweeted and agreed with Dame that Kyrie is the most skilled player ever.

🧢 gil just be chatting. He's the same one who will say Giannis don't have skill when he does everything elite besides shooting (middy been near elite for the past 4 years tho)

Lebron Free throw hurts him

Can't guard a parked car 😂😂😂

Sounds like the truth to me... Kyrie is mad nice, but the most skilled... IDK. He's on a team with a guy that is arguably equally or more skilled than he is

Why would it be hate when they said if anything kyrie would be number 2 behind someone like kobe😂

​@@iluvcakes19What does Luka do better than Kyrie that can't be directly attributed to his size advantage?

@@ThatBo03 assist, circus shots from deep (could be equal), score consistently, and LEAD a team into the playoffs. The last point especially but I won't go into that. However, Luka is NOT athletic but somehow is a walking triple double...if that isn't a testament to his skill IDK what is.

@@iluvcakes19Luka is no where as near as skilled as Kai

FG percentage

Shot selection 😂

@@honestman3918 yea u on drugs lol that’s like wn ppl say Allen iverson percentage he bein guarded by two damn ppl I bet u would pick Kobe over him 😂

Jordan shot better than Kobe

@@slimnationmusic8416 his shot selection was better than kobe.

"I believe anything as far as athleticism such as jumping is an attribute or intangible not a skill. Athleticism can primarily be genetics therefore no work was involved to acquire or enhance said skill. I believe a skill is something that is honed and trained like post work or having a left hand floater." Athleticism-related attributes are talents, but they must be practiced to realize the talent. "I also believe most of defense is effort and situation." Defense starts from effort. But it also takes IQ, coordination and correct movement.

Because the masters of the craft are who push the game forward by inspiring the next generation.

@@ifheavenwashuman it’s always gonna be guys that dominate with skill, guys that are physically dominating, and guys that are a both in the NBA that will inspire the next generation. It’s not just one type of greatness in the league that people will end up becoming in the future. It’s some giant kids out here saying I wanna be like Shaq or Giannis just like some short kid is saying I wanna be like Steph or Kyrie rn.

⁠@@ifheavenwashumanhow did Kyrie push the game forward? Lol

It doesn’t matter lol

Man it’s just another sports topic/debate, most of the stuff talked about don’t matter😂😂

Lies lol ! Defense is 100% a skill

No it’s not gang there’s a reason y people are elite defenders in their athletic prime.defense is always a reflection of athleticism that’s not a skill that’s y they say if u have long arms,big hands and ur athletic u have potential to be a great defender that’s god given

I disagree because elite defense and rebounding require technique . Athleticism definitely helps, but if you take bad angles, don't use your body correctly, or don't study tendencies you'll never be elite.

Bruh. Tell me u never played organized ball b4. And I’m pretty sure u don’t know even know what u mean talent vs a skill. wtf. 😂🤣😂 u tweaking dawg. Rodman out rebounding dudes way bigger and stronger than him every night was not luck or given to him. 🤡

Top-2: Isaiah Thomas (the current Sun), Tim Hardaway sr. JR Smith, CJ McCollum Peja Stojakovic, Joe Johnson Terry Cummings, Chris Webber Bam Adebayo, Boogie.

That’s for him to have fun but what does he average?

CANT BE STOPPED....BUT ZERO SCORING TITLES AND NEVER HAS AVG 30..... SO.....WHERE IS THE UNSTOPPABLE WORD COMING FROM....HE IS CURRENTLY AVG A WHOLE 10pts LESS THAN LUKA

Sounds like you Described Kobe to be honest. Only thing you forgot is we play defense over here while busting yo ass 😈🤣

Kobe

@@ronmoody3001 Being most skilled doesn’t haft to equal up to that level of production and the only reason he doesn’t average 30 is cause he don’t try to get to the free throw line he’s about buckets Shai is averaging 30 rite now because he shoots 8-10 free throws a game while Kyrie shoots 3-4 free throws a game so the only thing that separate them is free throws, actually Kyrie scores more actual points than Shai not including free throws, If Kyrie averaged the same amount of free throws as Shai he’ll be averaging 32ppg 👌 And that’s while being the 2nd option to 🗣️

Kobe took jordan skills to another level wth u talking about

Kobe was a better shooter / 3 pt shooter than Jordan … Better footwork / but he for sure learned from Jordan !!!!

Well he only did that once the rules in 2004-2005 season when they outlawed handchecking. He wasn't mvp level until then and he was in the nba since 1996

@@g..._anthony27 No but who was throwing dimes like him.

@@dickhardpicard I agree with this but all of today's players have that advantage of not having to worry about handchecking.

@@TheMyth619 Jason kidd was throwing dimes like him. He just couldn't shoot as good as nash🤔

@@dickhardpicard Kidd was a beast but I guess nobody has everything. The point guards that excelled in the post were not great shooters. Sam Cassell, Gary Payton, ect. Nick Van Exel was pretty impressive though.