I watched the video with great interest. I was planning on renting a gimbal for a shoot I have in a courtroom some time in the near future. Definitely wanted moving shots. But having just watched your video, I am rethinking my approach. I think having a slider along as well would greatly enhance those very slow moving shots of the juror's box/chairs and railing. Thanks very much.
Having a slider is quite bulky and a pain to carry around I got a gimbal and was best 90 pound I spent I got the zhyun smooth 4 works perfect with my iPhone
@Straight Outta Urbex you'd be surprised how vital a slider is in most productions. I've packed sliders or rails three times the weight of the Rhino, featured in this video, well over 30km and 1,700 metres in elevation. The weight of any piece of kit needs to be compared to its production value or specific needs of the production before quickly discounting its heft. Additionally, I've yet to be part of any production that uses an iPhone - the need to support hefty cameras warrants beefy support systems 👍👍👍
Thanks @il lolo 😃 The shoot looking directly down on the two leaves with the flowing Creek below was shot using the slider mounted on a fluid headed tilted straight down. The framing is just barely between the tripod legs. 👍👍👍
Haha... thanks @rappeezy 👍 Admittedly, there are aspects of this video I'd like to have spent more time on... but they likely wouldn't have made a huge difference 🤪
Very well done. Just what I needed to see, as I have been debating about getting a slider. I am now getting a slider, as I already have a gimbal. Cheers
the slider shots came amazing, still wondering how good u took the tree shot in the beginning, the shot the camera moved upwards from the trunk 🌱😀. i am basically a gimble guy but recently i hv ordered a small travel gimble .. let see hiw much i like it ☺️😁
Thanks Niel, appreciate your efforts gone into producing this video. Your Script & narration is bang on point. Loved the location. Well done 👍🏻, new subscriber here Cheers from Western Australia 🇦🇺🤝🏻
Thanks @iSPIKE 😃 Greatly appreciate the feedback and happy to hear from Western Auz. I have family in Queensland, but have yet to make it too far west... one day it'll happen👍👍👍
because they are very different tools - just wondering off you've made a video on just using a gimbal - gimbal movements - & how to use a slider? to get the maximum from both?
A 'subtle bias' huh? Lol Maybe that phrase means something down here in the Deep Dank South. Also, I'm waiting for your homemade cereal box version of the slider or gimbal since I'm poor.
@Shawn Grant I honestly had to Google 'subtle bias' and I'm still not sure I complete understand is alternate Southern meaning. As for the homemade cereal box slider... the first prototype was a complete failure - I've now moved on to cardboard toilet paper rolls 😆😆😆
Hii sir, these shots are really amazing, satisfying and eye catchy, sir can I use few shots for my cover song youtube video(less than 10 seconds), I will give all the required credits to you and your channel.
Many thanks @Bidhan RY 👍 Appreciate the feedback😃😃😃 For licensing and purchasing of rights please use my email available on my website. All unauthorized use of footage is a violation of its copyright.
@user-nu8bf3bf9m for the shots included in this video, I'd say that 75% of the shots did use the motion control system, with the remainder being simple hand-pushed slides 👍👍👍
Great comparison emphasising why you should use the best tool for the job. I personally like to use the head only of my Ronin SC on my motorised slider. Why fork out big bucks on a pan tilt head for your slider when you have all the same functionality and more on the gimbal? ok so i have to hit two play buttons at the start . I am fortunately endowed with ten fingers!
@Colin Henderson I've only mounted a Ronin-S on a motorized slider once, but found the relative tall height of the gimbal created excessive shake when moving.
Neil, I use videos to sell real estate. I have an iPhone 11 pro, an Osmo 3, and a Mavic 2 that I will begin using after I receive my 107 license. I want to add a tripod suitable for someone 6'3" and slider I can use on the tripod to my set of tools. What products do you suggest? Cheers, Brian C. Smith
Hahaha.. you really reiterated my decision not to get a gimbal. I honestly dislike gimbal because of its battery. Already i have to charge my cameras and other equipment. To add a gimbal for charging might as well i don’t go out and shoot anything i want. I prefer tripod or monopod and slider. They are cheap and not battery powered equipment. Can use them at longer time.
@Зигмунд Фрэйд I use 29.97fps because I prefer the way it looks. Having worked in broadcast television for many years, it's a style I've grown to rely on 👍
@Никита Розенберг a longer slider would certainly be more versatile. However, there is a limit to how long a slider can be before its length becomes cumbersome to manage - and travel with.
Many thanks @OSS 66 👍 The DJI Ronin-S is a great piece of kit and as you said, it requires a fair bit of practice before it can deliver quality shots. Here's what I really think of the Ronin-S: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-no7-Fc3b8P0.html ... shameless plug 😆😆 😆
Some good points made, but extreme / black and white reasoning at times. A tripod, head, and slider weigh a lot, and it doesn't take "hours" to balance a gimbal. Both have pros and cons. I'll take both, please!
I always thought I could mimic the smooth shots that a slider makes with my steady hands and my gimbal, but oh was I wrong, the difference is truly there. What is the type of slider you've used? Great, great video by the way! Keep it up
Your videos are wonderful and great for learning Neil! Is it possible to put the product links that you are using in the video description? It would be great and super useful if someone wants to buy these useful tools!
Thanks @Merlin Dionisio 😃 I'm honestly not overly inclined to post product links within video descriptions. Equipment featured in the videos I create is purchased with my own dollars - and unsolicitedly driving traffic to a manufacture's website feels too much like free advertising for them. I realize this may sound counterintuitive, as I mention specific products by name and discuss them at length, but that's in an attempt to educate and share my opinion with others. Having said that if you're curious as to what gear I used to create this video - check out the "What's In My Camera Bag Video": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Uye1vt02YIw.html
@Cine 81, the silder featured in this video is a Rhino Slider Evo. You'll find more information about it here: neilfisher.com/blog/gimbals-versus-sliders 👍
When filming on the slider with the 100mm and filming the stump. One of the images had some hopping. What causes that? Is it the software? Or some type of frame drop?
@Richard White, the sections where I am speaking to the camera were captured with a Canon 5D mk IV, a Canon 35mm f/1.4 lens, and there are a few shots where a Rhino Slider and Arc are utilized for a bit of camera movement. Hope this answers your question 👍👍👍
I was looking for a way to add some dynamic movement into my b-roll, and I've never gotten good results from a gimbal. This is precisely what I needed to see. Wonderful results and a more precise, methodical shooting process. That fits my style perfectly.
Thanks for the very informative presentation. After watching this video, I combined the two. I attached my Moza Aircross 2 to my slider. I am using a Smallrig Mounting Plate for the Aircross 2 and using "Arca Swiss" type plates and clamps and a Manfrotto MHXPRO-BHQ2 ballhead, and the gimbal is solid, well balanced, and has full movement. I usually mount it on my half ball Hi-hat, which I have customized by adding three 5 section monopods, to make it functional as a full sized tripod as well.
I only have enough money to either get a NICE motorized slider, or a nice Gimbal in the same price range. I'm going with the slider. Hands down, pun intended.
Lucky enough to bump onto this video. I just bought a slider (waiting to receive it). Had my doubts between the two, but now I'm 100% sure I got what I was looking for. Can't wait to get it and start using it to see how I can get the best out of it. Thanks for the review... very, very helpful.
That video was very well made. Your nature shots are amazing. However, that double shot and overlapping difference between gimbal and slider is moot as you only need one single shot for any film you make. Maybe for actual subjects like people running or some choreography, you need more precise and flawless moves.
Thanks @montrealfilmguy 👍 However, I don't think the comparison is moot. As you said, there are many scenarios when filming talent exchanging dialogue or preforming choreographed movements would greatly benefit from accurate shots being repeated multiple times. Admittedly, using a stationary rotting log isn't the best example to highlight this capacity, but... it's all I've got 🤪
I agree with a lot of points but I'm also going to nuance a few. Setting up a gimbal does take time. However once you get the hang of it and if you have a gimbal with axis locks it really isn't that big a deal. I think I can balance most of my setups within 1 to 2 minutes. If your setup isn't near the weight limit of the gimbal you have a fair bit of leeway anyways as the motors can easily overcome a bit of unbalance. Will drain the batteries faster but that's alright. With a decent autofocus lens and camera there's quite a few shots you can do just on auto-focus. Especially Sony with its face detection does a good job when shooting hoomans. When you use... here we go again... a Sony camera you can easily change the settings of your camera on your phone if need be. The phone than can be put on your gimbal with a little holder. That being said switching lenses is definitely annoying. Ideally you need a shot-list so you can shoot everything that needs a specific lens one after another to minimize rebalancing. When it comes to sliders (I'm quite new to them) setting them up in general is quite simple however specific shots require actual setup time and planning as well and especially when indoors where space is limited setting up a bigger slider (requiring 2 tripods) can be a challenge on its own. So where the slider indoor can be tricky to position the minimal footprint of the gimbal means you can use it in nearly any space. Sliders also aren't that much cheaper than gimbals. Considering gimbals can mimic more move types they have a certain value. That being said: the reproducibility and consistency of a slider can't be beat.
I went with the Gimbal before the slider and quickly found myself wanting something more accurate and capable of producing smooth shots of macro subjects - enter the slider 😃
what gear do u recommend for 2021? I have a wee bills 2 gimbal + canon r6 + 16 35 f4. Thinking to buy a video tripod + slider. Any recommendations for real estate? Just feel like the slider look is more professional than gimbal:) and I can change different lens easily on slider
That's a quality video, definitively I agree with the rest of the comments. I hope you get more views and for sure I will be recommending your content to friends.
Hello Neil, thank you for sharing, I am a baby in the field of photography, very beautiful images complete all these tips, in return I'd like to share my video on the common kingfisher on : Gerfaut7 dh Friendly from France Didier
@Youssef Hallouly you'd be surprised how vital a slider is in most productions. I've packed sliders or rails three times the weight of the Rhino, featured in this video, well over 30km and 1,700 metres in elevation. The weight of any piece of kit needs to be compared to its production value or specific needs of the production before quickly discounting its heft 👍👍👍
Thanks @Alex Campbell 👍👍👍 Cousteau gets this question rather often - and our go-to answer is, "he's an everything". His mother was found as a stray amongst the oil rigs outside of Kindersley, Saskatchewan, and was pregnant at the time. The litter was likely comprised of multiple fathers - as many of the puppies looked very different from one another. The mother was also a mix of unknown breeds. His closest doppelganger in the Netherlands is known to be 75% Malinois and 25% Rottweiler.
Many thanks @PhotonPhotographyNJ 👍 Though I believe that in order to be considered a true RU-vidr, one must upload more frequently than four times a year 😆😆😆
Awesome video tutorial. Hello! I'm very new in filmmaking industry. I've been using Gimbal Ronin the small version SC but never have expirience to use a Slider. As a beginner should I need to buy or learn the slider? if so Which affordable slider should I get to start?
Hi @Francis Garcia - if you're happily using the Ronin-SC and are able to successfully capture the shots you're envisioning - it may not be necessary to also have a slider. Having said that, a slider is a sound investment that quickly and easily adds great production value to your footage. I personally really do enjoy using the Rhino Slider, though it doesn't need the motorized motion control system - and passing on this system would save you a few dollars. I also very much like how the Rhino Slider is a system, in that you can purchase individual pieces and slowly upgrade the slider as you're able to afford more pieces of their system. Hope this helps 👍👍👍
@lacenaepronta - that's a great question and certainly something that is often experienced with lower quality sliders. Fortunately, the carbon fibre rails of this slider don't flex when the camera system reaches either end. I've used this system with a Canon 1DX mark II and 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II... which is not in the least a light weight setup - and the rails remained straight and flat the entire time 👍👍👍
Thanks, for this eally good video with lots of information. Good comparison and solid explination. Strange this video only has 7.200 views , it deserves much more.
INCREDIBLE video!!! Beautifully done. Well thought out. Chock-full of incredibly useful information. The best RU-vid video I think I’ve ever seen. Can’t believe I got to watch that for free. Thank you so much.
Very amazing information, right now I own moza air 2, since I shot a food product on an indoor studio it seems slider is much much better than a gimbal, isn't it? I guess I should invest more on slider.
@Rangga Putra shots of food would certainly benefit from a slider. The ability to make slow and perfectly stable shots definitely will make food terrific 👍👍👍
Thanks @Gabriel Altamirano 😃 For information on my tripod system, check out my other video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2x0jIaRdKOo.html
@@neilfisher As a result of watching i received a GVM GP80QD today which i got for £269 on an Amazon limited time deal and to go with it the Manfrotto Befree 3 Way Live Head so looking forward to setting them up.The gimbal i bought is the FeyuTech G6Max but it won't handle the Fuji XT-4 so the slider will be very useful.Thanks for the video Neil.
Dear Niel, I came across your channel looking for some outdoor use info on the DJI. You made THE video. So now I have been looking at your other video's: great too and very informative. Love the data footage information! Question: your last video is five months old. Did you stop making video's or do you just make video's when you feel the time is there? Cheers, Gijs from www.outdoorguru.com based in The Netherlands
Thanks @Outdoorguru 👍 Very much appreciate the kind words and feedback. The relatively low frequency for uploading content is simply because of the large investment in time producing these videos requires, and working full time with a newborn at home - I don't have much in the way of free time for creating RU-vid videos.
Before I ask of anything I must say I really enjoyed this video! However, 3 questions. Firstly, what kind of slider do you use? Secondly, how do you accomplish pushin and pushout shots without revealing the slider track. Lastly, does the motor come with the slider? Thank You
Thanks for the feedback @Never Wifed 😃 The slider used throughout this video is the Rhino Slider Evo. To create push and pulls without revealing the slider, you simply place the camera on an arm and attach the arm to the slider - this way the camera hangs over the front of the slider. Alternatively, using a focal length that isn't overly wide will also allow you to push and pulls without the slider entering the frame. The Rhino Slider Evo has many optional components - the motor can be purchased separately if desired. Hope this helps 👍👍👍
Ha... @ZeroG84 not at all 😆 I simply only have one camera capable of capturing 4K, so the Canon 5D mark II serves as a dummy or placeholder when demonstrating specific shots 👍👍👍
@@neilfisher Ah yes, that's true. The bottom info doesn't show the camera stuff was shot with. My bad. And well, while on the subject... I did some digging today after the comment that I left. It seems this "Magic Lantern" thing gets the Mark 2 pretty close to 4K. Very interesting. wink wink. :D
Good info!... On Dec 19 2021, I was looking for a slider and I noticed that most stores and Amazon, at least in Canada have a very limited slider stock. Probably cause by the gimbal popularity. But for my style and oldness I still prefer to have a slider :)
the camera that I use on-camera throughout this video is a Canon 5D mark II.... however, all aspects of this video were captured with a Canon 5D mark IV. Today, I'd recommend the DJI RS3 Pro to pair with a Canon 5D mark IV. Hope this is what you were after 👍👍👍
For audio in this video I used a Rode lav mic and a Zoom H4n in my back pocket. A body-worn recorder has been simpler than a wireless solution for videos like this. Currently, I used a Zoom F2 for mic'ing talent in similar situations: its 32-bit float is fantastic and provides a truly "set it and forget it" on-talent audio solution 👍👍👍
