GMC Sierra AT4 Comes Up to Challenge the Ram Rebel Rouser and This is What Happens | Ep.7 

TFL has come a long way but they seem to have always had a hard time understanding the actual functionality of things. It was real bad in the beginning.

@@JsGarage I agree 100%. Especially when the still confuse the auto 4wd with AWD. I feel like they still think it's AWD when selected but out of hearing people correct them they just only concede and say it's "like" AWD.

@@EGGINFOOLS Yea there are a lot of things they explain weird and/or wrong from a mechanical standpoint. Main reason I keep watching is to see things that aren't out yet as there are pretty good with getting first coverage.

Ok so while andre definitely didnt think this much in detail when saying that, "flipping the switch" DOES allow for more travel given a certain, fixed amount force. The adjustment, as mentioned, controls the resistance to movement of the shock, not its maximum travel range. BUT it does allow for slightly more travel given the exact same impact than when the shocks are adjusted for towing, as long as you remain within the travel range of the shocks.

@@berkalper4742 Changing the rate doesn't mean it articulates more or less. Especially when they are just slowly going down the trail. It's articulating the same just at different rates. It's doing way more for comfort and body motion than anything else. He misspoke and that's fine but they often explain things weird. The travel is the same regardless because the rate isn't changed so much that it would limit articulation. It would be different if it was so extreme that it actually limited travel but that's not how these shocks work. The truck articulates faster or slower not more or less in this case.

Cough... Cough... Raptor!

@@teop7887 I was talking about Nathan and Andre! Lol

Except Nathan looks like he smells of ass sweat and neck cheese. Would not want to take a road trip with him in the summer.

@@EGGINFOOLS Hahaha, my bad 😜✌️

@@teop7887 It's cool. I can see my comment being confusing now! 😅😂

Shill

I have an AT4 and I love it!

Did your 5.3 before have the 6 speed? My Trail boss has the 8 speed and its quick! Not much slower than my co-workers 6.2.

Terrence Jones My 5.3 had the 6sp. Was a great motor but after driving the 6.2 10sp I couldn’t have another 5.3.

@@2wheelobsessed Don't get me wrong I love the 6.2L as well. But not a fan of the premium fuel. As mentioned a co worker has the 6.2L, he's driven my Trail boss, 5.3L with the 8speed and he's even shocked about how quick it is. With the old 6 speed the 5.3L was at times lacking. Not now.

I agree that the G80 is by far better than a e-locker for bad road conditions...but I feel a selectable locker is best for harder offroad.

Either these commenters are to younge to remember the auto lockers of the 70s,80s, or they have so much money that an e locker is their only thought process now. Either way I'm good with the G80 for everything except rock crawling which neither of these trucks are good at so it doesn't matter.

The new ones are a lot better than the older ones. The only G80's I've seen break under normal use were the 10-bolt version. When GM replaced the wimpy 10-bolt rear axle with a modified version of the 14-bolt SF axle in the half-tons , the G80 had extra space for a bigger more durable carrier. I have friends with 2014+ GM trucks that beat on their G80 often enough without an issue that I wouldn't worry about the durability.

@@karlschauff7989 I agree, the G80 is better for real world use when you dont have to think about "Do i need a locker for this" its just there and works..

@@jredd801 Exactly especially because he plows snow the truck knows when to lock and you still got good handling and turning.

Spencer Peat way over engineered looks like a crab in the front

@@coreythefam6455 it looks like when I stepped on a marshmallow 😂

Terrence Jones ... indeed!!!

And any 4wd truck from the last 20 years with a leveling kit and decent tires, can keep up with them...

@@chevyon37s and ridiculous lower air dams removed. I had a 2014 F150 FX4 with a 2" lifted strut (not spacers), and a rear block kit with 33' tires. But Fords upper control arm design has articulation issues when strut body length is increased. The arms would hit the coil springs in very mild articulation off road. I haven't seen under the RAM rebel yet to judge. But I own a 2019 Trail boss now. I can tell you the GM OEM does not have the problem my Ford did.

At the very least as an option.

The 35s are what made the big difference. Both trucks have lockers, it's just that the G80 isn't selectable.

@@EGGINFOOLS not that big of a difference, if the rebel had a G80 instead of it's selectable one the same thing, maybe not as dramatic, would of happened.

@@okigojuryu 3 inch tire size doesn't make a big difference? Ok!

@@EGGINFOOLS I didn't say that, your taking my words out of context, I said it didn't make as big a difference as the diffs.

I imagine the G80 will get you stuck during a rainy day on a muddy uphill trail or farm field trail . I see each tire digging a hole before the G80 engages. Need lockers for sure.

That GMC has been modified by GMC for offroading. Did you watch the entire video?

716 ODST yes I did that’s why I said from dealership and not from factory. Even then they put a lot more money into the Rebel than the GMC.

@@brandonorozco8358 it's not dealer modded. It comes from the factory that way. The airbox and exhaust aren't doing anything for it off-road here. It's a factory truck

@@brandonorozco8358 Did you? At the end Nathan plainly states that the GMC is stock and the Ram has $10,000 worth of mods.

@@sonsofliberty3081 The dealer doesn't install this lift on the AT4 or the trailboss. They come this way. The dealer CAN install one after the fact on a GM truck but these come straight from the assembly line this way

I never had much experience with the G80. The couple vehicles I've driven were older with the G80 code in the glovey, but it never worked. Not surprising as now my wife has the G80 in her Tahoe and we live up here in icy, snowy, MN. Her rear tire was on a patch of ice at a stop sign. She went to the gas as usual when that tire started spinning. Just as she was going to lift off the gas, BANG! The diff locked up and the tire on dry pavement chirped and away we went. We then shimmied and shook as we made the corner with the diff locked on dry pavement. What's the average life span of a G80 anyways?

Why do you need a locker? To drive up to your mailbox 🤡🤡🙄

@@cesarconh895 yeah, I'm a New Yorker. Upstate. No street lights, no traffic lights, dirt and oil & stone roads, ATVs are road legal. So, yeah, mailbox.

Their small tires and wheel wells are not conducive to off road.

I love the G80 I have but I wish it had an E-Locker option just for the sake of like crawling and such. But I don't think it should be an only electric lock out option, I like the limited slip feature it's saved me on the road a few times along with offroad when I didn't think I needed it.

John Grytbakk Agreed! GMC’s engineers have implied they are working on an all new interior. That coupled with their new Carbon Pro package along with the new 33 MPG 3.0L in-line-6 Duramax is very compelling.

@@ldodom I would want a powerful and awesome sounding V8 in my truck though.

@@ldodom are they really for a new interior fr? Ik I don't believe in romurs but it would be nice if they did haha I could imagine

@@spyro98ortiz62 new interiors are coming in a whole GM full-size trucks lineup it's not just a rumor gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/updated-gm-truck-interiors-to-be-top-notch/

Spyro98 Ortiz I watched an interview with one of the Chief Engineers at GMC on the Consumer Reports show called Car Talk. He basically let the cat out of the bag by saying they have been listening to all the feedback regarding the interior not living up to the rest of the truck and they are already designing a whole new interior along with cutting edge safety and security packages they are currently only found in high end luxury vehicles.

Still works but never worked amazingly well.. something to be said for that too. :/

@@DeltaSierra426 You haven't own one probably I have a 2WD Silverado with a G80 locker and I do some pretty rough trails for a 2WD where even some 4WD truck would struggle and just with my locker I never get stuck.

Kevin Curren yea that you baby your truck and don’t drive it or it’s been replaced before. The G80 in my 2500 never worked right (acted as an open diff) and the G80 in my current 2012 1500 works but multiple times it’s actually gotten bound up and keeps the rear axle locked, making me have to put the truck in reverse and make slight turns to get it to unlock when I drive back on pavement and I’m only running a 275/60r20 nitto ridge grappler tire.

so does limited-slip in any Dodge truck back to 1990

Ranchos aren't the best offroad shock, but they are tuned better for offroad than a basic stock shock. However, they will be easy to remove and upgrade. My 2014 Ford was a pain in the ass to upgrade the front strut with the stupid IWE vaccum 4x4 unit. I have a 2019 Trail boss now and it's awesome.

Yeah they used to use Bilstein on GM's. The factory Bilsteins on my older zr2 lasted 252,000 miles! The one rear shock started leaking at around 240,000 miles!

@@terrencejones9817 Changing a front coilover on a 14' F150 is an easy day not sure what's so difficult. Swapped mine out to some Fox 2.0 when I had mine.

They definitely should have put more into the shocks. The trailboss looks nice but its really just a leveled pickup with some factory upper control arms to get the geometry of the level right. Nothing that can't be swapped out but it sure would have been nice to see something better come stock. Same with the rebel.

@@JsGarage did you actually have a 2014? You know that 2014 has a 1 year only front strut design? 09-13s had a large lower bushing with single bolt. That allowed removal of the strut without pulling the CV shaft from the hub and dealing with the IWE. 2014 used a bar pin ,with 2 lower bolts. To remove the strut the CV shaft must be pushed through the hub and the IWE actuator must be removed , and then properly meshed with the hub/cv splines on reinstall. It's not impossible, but hard to do in your driveway. I did it on a hoist and it was still very time consuming. The Chevys strut unit can be removed in about 5 minutes. It's a far superior design from a serviceability standpoint.

Honestly of the GM trucks, the prefer the look of the new Chevys over the GMC ones. But I guess thats a personal preference.

But not the interior :P lol

@A T I'm not sure about the shocks, you're right about the interior.

No he's right about the shocks. Once you've experienced good shocks like Fox, King or the new 6112 Bilsteins you'll see that ranchos are garbage. For almost $70K they could include something much better like the TRD Pros have.

@@paulf9653 You're right. Something like the ones they use on the Tundras would be better. Sounds like GM to back in form with the cost cutting.

Perfect truck for City Boys paying 65k and not needing a locker.

Actually the ram is selling more then Chevy Silverado and gmc serria the delar says that it is very hard to keep the ram rebel to the delears and i have seen more ram rebels then gmc serria at4

Austin Smith they don’t realize they are getting by far the worst and cheaply made truck that GM has created. How’s that engine gonna hold up with that 0w20 in the heat? Not good

Corey The FAM truck has been doing fine with 0w-20

JB 93 just wait it’s not gonna do it now

I think the sound balance between voice and music are always off. Especially with headphones.

Agreed..

I’m getting great mileage on my ram. 21 MPG on the highway. 18 MPG in the city. My GMC Terrain got 29 on the highway and about the same 18 MPG in the city

Yea, and that can also tow and haul just about the same as these.

Who’s going to pull that ram off the trail when it breaks

at least its a real truck unlike the gladiator

I disagree. I bought a new AT4 and I had it off road the very first week inspecting power lines for a rebuild project. Of course being new, I immediately took it for a car wash. One thing that I do like about the mechanical locker is that it is always waiting. It is not limited to 4-Lo. I was able to get through a good deal of mud in 2WD because of the G80. It is not the Ford Raptor, but with the tailgate down (and load stopper up), I can easily secure a 4X8 sheet of plywood.

oak 1971, angel ullom, I completely agree. Trucks have become so expensive they’re just not fun anymore

angel ullom kinda the point

I see a lot of trucks that never leave the pavement here in Utah. I also see a lot of trucks that go off road, because that is where I go. I don't go looking for the hardest trails, but my trucks see a lot of dirt roads, and some of them are at least as rough as depicted in this video. There are a lot of mall cruisers here...you won't see them where I take my truck. $60,000? Yes, that is a lot for a truck. Just one of the reasons why I have been window shopping for about a year. I don't want to regret my purchase, so I am looking for the best truck for my needs. Ram is offering all of their engines across the lineup. GM needs to pull their head out, and do the same. The Trail Boss with a 6.2 or the new 3.0 diesel would be at or near the top of my list, but the AT4 has a lot of options that I don't need. It has also been reported that GM is working on an interior upgrade for 2021 (thanks to Ram). Right now, the Rebel with possibly the Ecodiesel is winning for me...and I don't really like diesels. YMMV

I got one. It's awesome.

Love my trailboss

TB is the best hell yea for anything u want

I have driven Rebel, F-150 XLT FX4, and now AT4. AT4 is the best for me. Some people need to drive an AT4 before coming up any conclusion.

Didn't they go to an electronic ebrake? As its fully on or off not just a tad

@@panthermartin7784 You might be right

It's so cheesy lol

Andre is the managing editor, and this was his idea. Expect to see it stick around until the truck is traded up for a new long term test vehicle.

@@mmateri I get it. It's just kinda lame, to be honest. My Rebel is comparably "modified", but I just call it a Rebel. LOL :)

@@tommyr95 I agree with you.

Auto AWD setting on the older GMs used to grenade transfer cases. Lol. The part that auto switches would literally wear right through the outer housing of the casing.

@@evictioncarpentry2628 Ok. I've NEVER had a problem with it. I also only use it in the winter not year round. I like to get that couple mpg back when the snow and ice is gone. If that's you're exp fine but its not been mine or my friends who've owned GM products.

@@loganholmberg2295 I never said it's MY experience. It's a known GM issue. The shift mechanism inside the transfer case wears right through the metal casing. Look it up if you need to.

@@evictioncarpentry2628 lol Ok I wasn't trying to argue or anything. What years was it an issue on anyways?

Tradesman, Nuff said LOL

Why?

The g-80 locker requires wheel spin to activate, your statement applies to the old school clutch limited slip diffs, I own a g80 locker, it’s better than an open diff but when you loose momentum due to wheel spin before it engages that’s an issue, it should have selectable mechanical lockers.

Mike Bishop sorry

There are plenty of people who are taking brand new Jeep gladiators off road. Other people spend $100K+ on purpose built off road rigs.... so I guess it’s only poor people who complain about spending money to take new vehicles made for off road, and actually use them off road.

They didn't want the new stuff to look bad. Well "Big Green's" issue is people did a hack job engine replacement with hacked wiring so it never runs right.

@Michael M The crown weighs heavy on the king. Enjoy the crown Power Wagon while you can...the Tremor is coming to get ya!

I think you can lock the locker in the Rebel in 2WD? Someone that has a Rebel maybe could try and let us know. I'm not rich enough to get a truck like that so I have no idea but you'd think for the price you could engage that rear locker regardless of being in 2WD or 4WD. I think you can engage the locker in the Wrangler Rubicon in 2WD? Again I have no idea because I don't have one but you'd think it would be possible....if not its a great reason to skip all that factory crap and do aftermarket where you can engage the locker whenever you want not when a computer thinks you should LOL. I don't have to do anything with the limited slip in my Jeep it just goes wherever I point it, works great, I wonder why that gov-loc takes so much wheel spin to engage? I assume that's due to its overall mechanical design though.

@@uncle_salty_3675 Thank you for the reply. Wasn't quite sure but thought they did.

The Raptor has a rear locker if I recall? So not sure why they didn't bring one of them out on that little BMX trail.

I'm not sure what part of the eTorque you think will fail. The internal combustion engine has more parts, and probably has more computer controls / circuit boards, and they eTorque is really just a battery and a motor, with probably two or three circumstances when it helps out. Seems pretty simple, and not necessarily prone to failure.

From what I could find the 6.2 requires premium. Looked at a couple, power/economy is nice but the price difference here in Manitoba is 20 cents a liter for premium/regular, was a deal breaker for me.

@@kevinkowaluk5682 that is weird that it would require premium, considering how advanced computer tech is now a days, I would think it could detune the engine if it's not getting enough octane.

Why? First the 1 percent time it goes off road or stuck in snow?

@@bryane2857 Yes.

@@ALMX5DP the G80 works great getting you unstuck from snow.

@@RyanRKJ Sure, but it would be nice to prevent such situations before they exist. Selectable locker could help with that as seen in this video.

No they Don't. I had an Elocker on an F150 FX4 with a small lift and bigger tires. Fully locked means you can't negotiate tight trails and both tires spinning is totally useless in the snow, all you do it go extra sideways regardless of how much counter steering you try. The fully locked axle would bang and hop around even the slightest corner, it always sounded like it was about to break. I'd rather and LSD over the G80 still, but the G80 works.

No comparison, gm completely dropped the ball on the interior... just check out the pop bottle caps on the dials. So chintzy and cheap it is sad

@@uncle_salty_3675 I'm waiting on the 2020 Tesla before I commit to anything... It could potentially be the perfect farm truck for me

They're not really trucks anymore they're luxury cars with a suitcase holder. Way too much electronic and safety gadgets and nannies than necessary only to allow those who have no business owning and driving a truck to be able to operate one without running over absolutely everything. Most of today's "Trucks" are found cruising the parking lots of the mall and Wallyworld, not actually doing anything a truck was built to do which is why there aren't any compact pickup trucks anymore people buy them for family sedans and commuter cars.

@mike a Exactly, until people stop wanting their cars full of everything including the kitchen sink prices will continue to skyrocket...what used to be a work vehicle has turned into luxury cars that just happened to come with a truck bed instead of a trunk, people don't use them as trucks they use them as family sedans.

TFL Canada doesn't baby trucks in off-road videos.

@@DeltaSierra426 obviously not true

Dodge doesnt make trucks anymore...

All same company you have go to a Dodge dealership to buy a Ram

Electric tale gates are fairly new and you already knoe how long they're going to last? RAM is 2nd best selling for a reason.

How many cars have no electrical issues after 20 years? Maybe a car that was built in the 80s with hardly any electrical components.

Nobody keeping these trucks for 20years

I do see people taking big trucks off pavement, yes. Often hauling stuff, whether it be taking a small aluminum fishing boat down a rocky access road to get to a lake with great fishing, or hauling a deer or moose out of the woods after a successful hunt. If the objective is simply off road fun, most people use a smaller vehicle, but not always. I think it is important for these big trucks to maintain good on road capabilities though, as that's where the trucks are used the most. Both the Rebel and AT4 do a good job of maintaining on road capability, while increasing off road capability.

@@leonardrice1500 no, it's made out of thin plastic, so it kinda is like a bendy glass that's going to break if it gets hit on.

No locker and all that other package is just fluff

I agree. Who needs music when you're listening to those exhaust notes?

@@sir.confident hard to hear with music being so loud lol

@@nabatron21 Yeah

The RAM Trx will be your solution. With it's wide body and powerful V8 and the perfect interior

The perfect truck has to have a wheel base shorter then 125".

Plus torque is already being applied when the non-rotating axle finally engages -- can't be easy on the G80 or other drivetrain parts. People are saying their G80's last forever... if you're rarely using it/needing it, sure, a manual locker doesn't really matter and a posi isn't being stressed out so as to fail sooner.

@@DeltaSierra426 Most people never need them in the first place which is why a locker or limited slip is an option on many vehicles, most drivers have absolutely no need for them nor would they know how to properly make use of one if they did have one.

That is the route I'd certainly go if I were wanting an "offroad" truck. Plus the power wagon is a 3/4 ton pickup with solid axles much better for those offroading excursions.

These trucks are geared more for somewhat higher-speed off-roading whereas the Power Wagon is a slow technical off-roader. Moreover, if you don't need the additional towing or payload capacity, it can be a bit overkill.

Nah u just broke

True, but I prefer the buttons on my trucks, unless it's a weekend toy, then that mechanical lever is kinda a must.

Power Wagon

@@donleamon8653 power wagon is love, power wagon is life.

37's maybe. Was 33's a typo?

33s make the truck hella stable.