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GODDESS Aerith Vs Minerva Theory | Final Fantasy 7 Remake 

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Peasant back with the next juicy evolution of Final Fantasy 7 Remake theory crafting, one to rise above in the level 10 God Cloud theory speculations. This crazy Aerith Vs Minerva theory is going to be leaning into Aerith and her crazy mysterious role in the Final Fantasy 7 Remake story along with connections, themes, symbolism and the FF7 universe lore explained in a way that is really going to elevate your FF7R story hype. Full spoilers of course for the Remake but also for the ending of Final Fantasy 7 OG, Advent Children movie, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core and various ultimania details. Full ending, cinematic, cutscenes, OST soundtrack and the works will be getting featured. P.S. Minerva is going to take a center stage in this theory as we discuss Aerith, for anyone who doesn't know who she is, never fear all will be explained ;)
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@queencard97
@queencard97 4 года назад
Nomura states in the Ultimania book that Aerith is the most important character in the game and that every line of her in part 1 will be very significant to the upcoming parts.
@infernousgaming1393
@infernousgaming1393 4 года назад
Not to mention he somewhat subtly confirms Aerith having knowledge of future events!
@tomasgarcia7499
@tomasgarcia7499 4 года назад
:0
@tamandatroell2892
@tamandatroell2892 4 года назад
That's true but for the most basic of reasons. Aerith traumatized us all, the love of ff7 is not because we remembered everything that happened with such reverence it was etched into our memories and we couldn't get enough. No, ff7 is remembered by us all because aerith died....because they took an actual main character materia and all in a rage induced controller throwing fit we forever remember ff7 as that moment we lost her....and our max out heal materia and probably most of our high lv magic and had to start over to unequippe the bitch before she runs in to the sword for f.n. damocles. So yeah shes important to us and them cause that moment locked ff7 in to the history of gaming's most tragic moments.
@brothaonanadventure3573
@brothaonanadventure3573 4 года назад
@@tamandatroell2892 I had invested so much into Aeris lmao
@alpaslankilavuz5470
@alpaslankilavuz5470 4 года назад
Shit
@Msevelvet
@Msevelvet 4 года назад
50:45 I love how he point out that whatever Aerith’s do she doesn’t do it via control. This is so true especially after watching Pollen Ainne’s video “Signs of Complicit relationship part III” this interaction between Aerith and Cloud just shows how Aerith let Cloud being himself and didn’t force him to act certain way. She’s letting Cloud find and figure out himself
@zekiel2533
@zekiel2533 4 года назад
Sleepezi definitely got the sauce on alot of his theories. This is something he briefly mentioned in his theory videos. The fact that she keeps being called mother after she goes into the lifestream and has similar abilities into Minerva would make it make sense.
@putrahardjono4409
@putrahardjono4409 4 года назад
For those who have misconception of Cloud being Zack, you could see video made by: @Pollen Ainne. She explain it really well. The title in youtube: "Signs of A Complicit Relationship Intermission: The Zacloud Fallacy".
@lucas5665
@lucas5665 4 года назад
What drives me nuts about the people who believe that misconception and who downplay Aerith and Cloud's relationship because of it, is that they claim to love the story so much but they clearly never fully understood it in the first place
@NP-Channel
@NP-Channel 4 года назад
that's an easy one to distinct, Cloud just has a fake-persona, not Zack-persona. It's not Zack's memory but memory ABOUT Zack and the Nibelheim incident, those memories were twisted due to the mako poisoning plus J-cell manipulation, then blended with the obsessed dream of becoming Soldier. All of that creates the fake-Cloud personality, an assumed identity that he took-on from Zack (which he overdid the last words Zack told him, that "you're my living legacy"). One strong fact is that Aerith never had the chance to meet the real Cloud while she was alive.
@sudeepkamble1253
@sudeepkamble1253 4 года назад
@@NP-Channel It has been clearly mentioned in the OG that the fake soldier persona and his illusionary stories of him being a soldier was made by up Cloud himself in his own mind. His j cells had nothing to do with it. All his j cells did was read Tifa's memories of his own and merged with his. And Tifa has the memories of real cloud. It is nowhere mentioned that his j cells manipulated/twisted his memories to create his fake persona. Moreover it is nowhere mentioned that jenova transfer emotions/feelings. This is Cloud's line from the OG- I am the master of my own illusionary world. Lastly, Cloud never lost his original personality. Barrett's line - That means there ain't no difference from before.
@noirshiva
@noirshiva 3 года назад
lucas5665, I think where that idea comes from, is the fact that Cloud thinks he is Zack! He goes through a lot of the game thinking he is Zack 1st class soldier 😂. Cloud meets Aeris and develops a close friendship with her during this time, that he is mentally unstable and thinks he is Zack. But let's face it, even when Tifa sorts his mind and memories out, he still is (understandably so) pretty mental 😂. I don't think that it's people not understanding the game, it's just logical to question Cloud and his sanity, he's a psychologist dream! If you understand the game, then you'll know it's not a love story between Cloud and ?. It's a tragedy, about loss and the importance of friendship. When people focus to much on who does Cloud love more, they lose sight of what the story is really about.
@simplestrum
@simplestrum 4 года назад
Now... imagine if the FF7 Remake was simply a grahics update and nothing more. Aren't you glad Square went with this new direction?!
@foxpopulii380
@foxpopulii380 3 года назад
I know, right? People don’t realize how good they have it, stuck to the past as they are.
@incogniftoar3943
@incogniftoar3943 3 года назад
They disappointed honey bee isn't a brothel
@chaerithbestgirl
@chaerithbestgirl 3 года назад
They're too stupid to enjoy the remake there focus is the original (It'll be boring if you know already what will happen like WHERE'S THE TRILL?)
@Pioneergaming12
@Pioneergaming12 3 месяца назад
I’m all aboard this train why do I want to play the same exact game I’ve played through at least 3 times
@elplaga9276
@elplaga9276 4 года назад
Sleepezi has been killing it with his theories. Thanks for shouting him out Pez!
@chiatreepet
@chiatreepet 4 года назад
Have you read "FFVII Remake: The Investigation Unit within the Planet" by Kazushige Nojima? It is just another little tidbit to add dimension to Aerith and to her experience with Shinra/Hojo as a child. It is from the FFVII Remake World Preview Book. It adds context to her loneliness (and hide n' go seek game) in the graveyard scene and her comments about being a quitter and giving up, as well as why she must go to Shinra willingly as an adult. It also adds to why she seems to bear the weight of responsibility on her shoulders for what information she shares and what she holds back.
@AirdnaPlays
@AirdnaPlays 4 года назад
12:30 On that note about the Hymn of the Fayth being played into the train graveyard theme, I also noticed while I was playing FF7:R another tune within the Train Graveyard, it bugged me for so long because I recognised it, but after a lot of skipping through FFX's ost I found that there is a section which sounds a lot like part of FFX's "To the End of the Abyss" (albeit slowed down) as well. Love FF7:R's soundtrack, god damn beautiful.
@francescagreetham1804
@francescagreetham1804 4 года назад
This bit blew my mind and now your finding too! That’s so emotional. I love the idea of VII and X being delicately connected and that’s such a beautiful way to link them.
@PD-pi1qq
@PD-pi1qq 4 года назад
Thank you for crediting sleepezi for his work
@tomasgarcia7499
@tomasgarcia7499 4 года назад
This!
@quack_a_doodle5922
@quack_a_doodle5922 4 года назад
@@tomasgarcia7499 another garcia who likes FF7, nice ahah
@tomasgarcia7499
@tomasgarcia7499 4 года назад
Alexandre Garcia haha cool!!!
@JTQA_Tester
@JTQA_Tester 4 года назад
I knew that water is a big part of the game. Because when you have Tifa waiting for you outside Aerith's house. The camera pans over to the water outside her house as you go in for the hug. I'm assuming that's how you can go back to bring Aerith back as she'll appear as Minerva and make an Advent Children scene appear telling Cloud to go to the church.
@Brannen666
@Brannen666 4 года назад
I'm glad you say sleepezi's videos. He did some good work and deserves to be magnified and shared. Also the lyrics to Hallow mention outstreched hands at a darkest time.
@FinalFantasyPeasant
@FinalFantasyPeasant 4 года назад
Absolutely! Sleepezi has contributed so many gems, the next evolution of lore diving and tinfoil hatting fans can springboard from :D
@michl6795
@michl6795 4 года назад
The Maiden Who Travels The Planet was included in the FFVII Omega Ultimania so the events that follow in the story should be true. Aerith definitely seems like an angel or a guardian who more than anyone wants to save the planet and has the potential to do so. On the side, I think the whispers are actually the souls of the past and maybe future living beings of this planet. But maybe not just any souls, but souls who have a connection to Jenova or the geostigma, as the group of whispers that circle around the Shinra building near the end of the game reminds me of the negative lifestream that Sephiroth summons in Advent Children. They are black, travel like the wind and howl in pain (as Aerith describes it). Now knowing that Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj showed up in the form of whispers, I think it is plausible.
@GeonusKaikun
@GeonusKaikun 4 года назад
I have a theory that the only way for Cloud to finally defeat Sephiroth once and for all is through redemption. Sephiroth must gain enough of humanity to back to trust Cloud, and then repent for all he's done. Only then can he accept death and diffuse into the Lifestream never to return.
@back2back379
@back2back379 4 года назад
I've seen this theory pop up quite often, but I'd just say it would be a rather poor business decision when they have a chance to create the most memorable, legendary, unanimous and unquestioned #1 villain of all time.
@Cammycam1000
@Cammycam1000 4 года назад
@@back2back379 i honestly think with all we know so far that Cloud has to die to finally defeat Sephiroth.
@rogerlawrence19
@rogerlawrence19 4 года назад
@@back2back379 Kefka says hi 👋
@RoninXDarknight
@RoninXDarknight 4 года назад
@@rogerlawrence19 Among FF fans I'd say Kefka & Sephiroth are probably tied as the greatest villains of the series. For people who merely have a passing acquaintance with the series, however, Sephiroth wins hands down.
@rogerlawrence19
@rogerlawrence19 4 года назад
@@RoninXDarknight I can definitely agree with that.
@user-battlescar1313
@user-battlescar1313 4 года назад
I believe Aerith and Minerva really work the same. Aerith is the last of the "ancient" who is the rightful heirs to the planet. Minerva is a protector of the planet so it is probably in her right to protect Aerith by all means. Minerva could be how Aerith can talk to Cloud and others even when it shouldn't be possible in Advent Children. Aerith can talk to the planet, but Minerva is probably how that happens.
@rimanm6934
@rimanm6934 4 года назад
Also if Minevra so strong and Unique why Zack defeat her?)
@TheEvilLordExdeath
@TheEvilLordExdeath 4 года назад
I honestly thought of Minerva as a manesfestion of the life stream.
@chinesecovidanalswabs4752
@chinesecovidanalswabs4752 4 года назад
@@rimanm6934 Gameplay mechanic pretty sure the fight isn't canon. Just challenge fight for players and easter egg.
@KJames2345
@KJames2345 3 года назад
Make sense if Minerva protects Aerith so to does Cloud in remake, Cloud is over protective of Aerith. Cloud looks like Minerva, so must be some connection...?
@jenneferye
@jenneferye 3 года назад
@@KJames2345 Jesus Christ a theory of a theory in another theory. Brilliant.
@neoarchangemon3460
@neoarchangemon3460 4 года назад
Im betting money that Minerva will be a Boss fight... maybe even the actual final boss.
@MarxasThomas
@MarxasThomas 4 года назад
Cool idea, but Hojo being the final boss could also be a possibility!
@neoarchangemon3460
@neoarchangemon3460 4 года назад
@@MarxasThomas For Game two yes... in talking the overall final Boss.
@TigerTabCat1
@TigerTabCat1 4 года назад
DevilKaz I feel your confusion man. Minerva is part of the expanded universe from crisis core.
@zekiel2533
@zekiel2533 4 года назад
@DevilKaz you need to play the full compilation bro.
@rimanm6934
@rimanm6934 4 года назад
yep she was so strong that was defeted by zack alone, as side boss.)) That why they brought Zack back so he could save day and deafeat Minavra alone again.))
@juna6186
@juna6186 4 года назад
HYMN OF THE FAYTH IN THE TRAIN GRAVEYARD MUSIC. MIND. BLOWNNNN. I did not clock that
@MrSuperbeast92
@MrSuperbeast92 4 года назад
OH FRICK!!! 🤯 I never noticed!!
@kaidos123
@kaidos123 4 года назад
i definitely thought it was familiar but i could never pick up on it.
@BreaB15
@BreaB15 4 года назад
He has amazing ears. I never, EVER would’ve caught that, and back in the day I listened to the FFX soundtrack nearly everyday.
@kaelindewar2110
@kaelindewar2110 4 года назад
Time stamp?
@sykune
@sykune 4 года назад
Well the FFX and FF7 were said to be connected
@aimlessf
@aimlessf 3 года назад
My core reaction to "The Price of Freedom" is to sob even when I'm not sad and it get me here EVERY TIME
@fosco2135
@fosco2135 4 года назад
This is a good theory. What will happen is that the cycle will really repeat just as Sleepezi's theory video says, but it will be different than usual. Cloud will use the lifestream but he'll purge Sephiroth from within himself just like in the original, and this time around he'll destroy Sephiroth completely so that he can't try to revive himself like he tried to in Advent Children. Then Cloud and/or Aerith will make it so Holy does kill all the humans just like it does in the original version(except for everyone inside the Alexander fortress summon which will allow the Cetra bloodline to survive as it did any previous Holy-based resets), but then your God Cloud theory will play out and he will stay alive with the lifestream only to eventually revive humanity 500 years later. One way or another, he and Aerith will eventually bring back humanity. I think that Cloud will probably not be a literal god, but he may be more like an immortal ghost in the same fashion as Aerith is right now, and the two of them would oversee the new humanity and guide it towards an eco-friendly future civilization that manages to act in harmony with the Planet's natural reserves. Or maybe it will not take 500 years, and the current civilization of humanity will be preserved, but there will be some kind of force making it so they have to adapt their civilization no matter what. For example, if Planet blew up a lot of the Mako reactors when it used Holy on Meteor and forced people to start adapting if they don't want it to choose to eventually exterminate humans. I just think that Nomura wants Cloud and Aerith to make it out alive in one way or another such that they don't eventually die permanently. He doesn't want them to dissolve into the lifestream and vanish. It seems like that's one of Nomura's key driving motives here, along with making sure human civilization in the game survives in a way that isn't at odds with the Planet.
@DKCBasia
@DKCBasia 4 года назад
1 HOUR of delicious theorycrafting!? Boy oh boy, this is gonna get steep *grabs popcorn*
@sh4d0wfl4re
@sh4d0wfl4re 4 года назад
One thing that has always taunted me since they introduced Minerva, is she a protector of Gaia, or is she part of Gaia, or is she a sibling of Gaia? I get that Jenova is something similar to Zeromus that crashed into the planet on some kind of meteor ship (small planetoid, lunar colony ship; potayto, potahto) and is more or less in a fight with Gaia akin to Bhunivelze and Chaos. If your current theory is correct, Aerith is a l'cie to Gaia and Sephiroth is a l'cie to Jenova with both being on the verge of surpassing their sires and becoming gods themselves. And in that assumption Cloud starts of as a l'cie of sephiroth and in advent children trades that out for being ghost-aerith's l'cie. Remake Cloud seems to be someone that both Sephiroth and Aerith want to raise up into a third god, and whether he chooses one, the other, or a balanced mix will be interesting to see. All the while Gaia and Jenova don't seem ready to pass on control to this new generation of gods.
@edalmirneto4246
@edalmirneto4246 4 года назад
Jenova is a potato, Zemus and Kuja are alien destroyers better tha her. Gaia is so dumb than Jenova
@Phantomyre
@Phantomyre 4 года назад
Peasant-- I just want to say thank you so much for doing these theory stories. As you no doubt are experiencing as well, I'm having such a withdrawal and anxiously waiting for part 2 it's almost embarrassing. But seeing your videos has been not only informative but also therapeutic. Thanks again, please keep them coming and stay safe!
@CircuitReborn
@CircuitReborn 4 года назад
My theory is actually Sephiroth intends to replace Minerva rather than destory the planet. He has always shown divine symbolism... And the things Aerith says to him before you fight at the end seem to indicate she's sipping Minervas koolaid..but slowly breaking free. Sephiroth even asks Cloud to help him defy destiny...destiny which would be dictated by Minerva.
@71xyjop
@71xyjop 3 года назад
Instead of Aerith getting stabbed by Sephiroth I can see Minerva getting that treatment instead in the Remake. Like after we are forced to fight Minerva Sephiroth will descend from the sky and stab her from behind. This could probably be the ending of Part 3 then the final game will be about Sephiroth now having control of the WEAPONs.
@isayahills4889
@isayahills4889 3 года назад
Genesis Rhapsodos !!!!!!! Neeeeeeeeed Genesis ! Working WITH sephiroth to perhaps do that.... She may be all out of steam....maybe Minerva falls and the Planet followw
@kcluna2187
@kcluna2187 3 года назад
That's pretty good and also quite possible. If that's how it would go, I could see Genesis teaming up with Cloud to fight Sephiroth.
@KJames2345
@KJames2345 3 года назад
@@kcluna2187 Genesis teaming up with Cloud... Plausable! Genesis might conduit his abilities onto Cloud. I don't know about them teaming up. If it was anyone it would have to be Zack? he is alive in a different timeline with Cloudette...... after all.
@Mysticgamer
@Mysticgamer 4 года назад
If FF10 and FF7 are linked, I hope shinra (especially hojo) discover that portal in Bevelle with super dragons and mega tonberries in it.
@renehoyvik
@renehoyvik 4 года назад
These theory videos are what made me subscribe so many years ago :) Thanks for still finding time for them between your many streams!
@francescagreetham1804
@francescagreetham1804 4 года назад
That was a fantastic video filled with such juicy theories Pez. Thank you for giving us that range of interpretation within the hour, there’s so many wonderful elements in this new game that have been encompassed - I’m loving all your videos breaking it down.
@dunharold
@dunharold 3 года назад
19:17 Maybe that some of Aerith's friends where among those who died when the plate fell at sector 6 during the before crisis, when zirconiade was released. Those poor souls might have been caught up by eligor and never make it through the life stream. She was able to release them.
@kaidos123
@kaidos123 4 года назад
definitely agree that Aerith is some kind of goddess. that theory is as old as Advent Children. and the idea of her being what changes the Planet's will is as old as the OG. So OG Aerith is speaking to current timeline Aerith to change the destiny of the original timeline. and there are layers to that. like the whispers LITERALLY being the planets will. they are part of the lifestream, in all their Jenovo corrupted glory. They even have the screams of the Planet.
@theLukkyChannel
@theLukkyChannel 4 года назад
I missed your theories ! Ooof this is the type of content I'm here for 🙏🏼👑🌹😁 I appreciate it for your hard work you put in your vids ❤️
@seanpoag4170
@seanpoag4170 4 года назад
Well, Aerith is the Goddess of my heart! 💘💘
@darenh355
@darenh355 4 года назад
You know what I love more than FF7? Pez's hour long theory videos. They are what made me subscribe in the 1st place. I absolutely loved the ff15 theories you made way back when. Glad to see more theory coming out from Pez. I'm so happy XD
@PerfectEclipse
@PerfectEclipse 4 года назад
I love this video, thank you for giving this so much thought and diving deeper into Sleepezi's theories!
@thewarrioroflife3450
@thewarrioroflife3450 4 года назад
Beautiful theory, Pez. But COMMON MISCONCEPTION. Cloud does not possess Zack’s memories and therefore he doesn’t act like as if he was possessed by him. He just claimed Zack’s accomplishments, not his feelings. If you really played the OG, the whole point of Cloud’s identity crisis is that Sephiroth was able to make him believe that he is just his puppet by letting him assumed that his false recollection of the Nibelheim tragedy is true. Thus, when the truth was revealed to him - that it was actually Zack in his place (and forgetting that he was there too when the tragedy happened), he suddenly questioned his existence as a real person and/or doubt that he had his own free will (when during the OG course of events, Sephiroth was able to make him do things against his liking because of the JENOVA cells injected inside him.) He was thinking that maybe Sephiroth was right about him being just his remnant (that he was just like the black hooded people or Kadaj gang in AC). That’s how the war hero planning to get even with Cloud - to destroy him mentally and emotionally by invalidating his feelings (look back to Sephiroth’s last words to Cloud after killing Aerith - he invalidated Cloud’s feelings and told him he was just a puppet.) But, thankfully, the lifestream sequence happened, with the help of Tifa (and Aerith for making sure they survived from the exposure to the lifestream - lorewise, if I wouldn’t assume it was Aerith who aid them - like how it was told in the debatable canon novel The Maiden Who Travels the Planet -, I doubt that the two could ever get out alive), they were able to isolate and pinpoint that Cloud had distorted memories of that event only. And he was starting to remember that he was there too when the tragedy happened (Tifa was only informed at that time too because she didn’t know too), while he also realized all his other past memories remained intact and are true being a real resident of Nibelheim. In that lifestream scene, we found out that Tifa and Cloud had an accident and Cloud was blamed for it. Tifa and Cloud weren’t close back when they were kids because of the boys surrounding her made him an outcast. That’s why, at the start, she was having a hard time convincing him that they were indeed childhood friends, even about their promise scene being true because it’s the only time they had an actual interaction. But nevertheless, she was the only living witness to validate Cloud’s existence. Cloud just went out there assuming he was a 1st Class SOLDIER because the mako poisoning messed up how his brain functions. Thus, with poor cognitive performance, he associated himself so much with Zack’s accomplishments as a SOLDIER (and you may say that part of the reason is ‘becoming a SOLDIER’ is Cloud’s failed dream/frustration). Psychologists might be able to explain it better how it works if we will apply real-life logic. But moving on, so when he and Tifa digged deeper into his consciousness and finally learned that all his past memories are true and only his memories of the tragedy is false (or half false because he was really there but the actual events just happened differently from what he believed plus his vague memories up to their escape to Midgar) - He realized that he just really didn’t make it as a SOLDIER but that doesn’t totally mean that he wasn’t a real person who has his own will after all. Despite being delusional and ashamed fool, he can still live out his dream as a hero to save the people dear to him - Therefore, he was able to break free from Sephiroth’s evil manipulation and, more than ever, he is determined to stop him. That’s what actually made Cloud’s whole character arc beautiful (which is almost comparable with FFIX Vivi). That’s why, for me, Cloud is somehow still being himself both in the OG and Remake. Meaning, the “Fake Cloud” we are saying here is the Cloud being himself (egocentric, rude, indifferent) but only assuming he was once a SOLDIER. That’s why he was portrayed cocky and pretending-to-know-his-ways when, at times, he was just as clueless (like Aerith pointed it out to him few times in the Remake and OG). You may say Zack influenced him to be a mercenary, but how exactly to be one, it’s still Cloud’s own way and experience as we see in the game (OG and Remake). If you still believe that Cloud possessed Zack’s memories, think of the following questions: 1) Why Cloud doesn’t recognize every person Zack met? The Turks? Zack’s parents in Gongaga? More importantly, Aerith? Cloud even forgot Aerith the 2nd time he met her in the church, right? 2) Why Cloud doesn’t feel any “deja vu” when he visits places where Zack had been? Why is he not familiar with Aerith’s Church and him falling inside it? It happened the same way to Zack, true? 3) Why can he still remember correctly his childhood in Nibelheim, along with his memories of his mother? 4) Outside the Nibelheim tragedy up to their escape to Midgar, are there any other memories of Cloud distorted? 5) Did we see any trace of Zack’s memories inside Cloud’s consciousness during the lifestream sequence? Did we filtered out a memory about Zack? 6) Memories should change our behavior and personality (so many movies and literature out there also show how it’s supposed to work) but how come Cloud and Zack remained polar opposites? Zack being people person and warm while Cloud remained aloof and cold? If you can rationalize around these questions well enough to support your claim, then I might believe you. Otherwise, I’m still convinced that Cloud doesn’t have his friend’s memories like literally in his head as how most of you assumed it. Zack may have hugely influenced him - like being a mercenary, but how exactly to be one is still Cloud’s own experience. BTW, in the OG, Cloud explained it himself to the whole party what really happened to his mind. Just read on the game script or browse the video. On the side note, this is the reason why “Tifa not telling Cloud the truth about Zack and the Nibelheim incident as early as she can”, for me, has a significant bearing to his identity crisis in OG. The real problems might have been identified (if not solved) earlier if only she reacted to Cloud immediately when he told his own version story of the Nibelheim tragedy to them. This dynamics can be further explored and explained in the Remake. It would be interesting to know deeper why Tifa didn’t tell Cloud the truth for almost the entire game. We will see how the Remake will handle that.
@queencard97
@queencard97 4 года назад
exactly all of this, that is pez's plot hole in this theory, is when he thinks that aerith meant zack with the dream scene. which was stated by nojima or nomura that is was about Aerith's death, not zack
@PollenAinne
@PollenAinne 4 года назад
Well said! I still don't understand why people still believe in this narrative when the OG story was so clear and Cloud clearly stated what happened after the lifestream event.
@queencard97
@queencard97 4 года назад
I just still cant believe pez, a person whom i expect to know everything about FF7 seems to not know or understand the zackcloud fiasco. it made it seem as if cloud never had any feelings for Aerith, which so wrong in many ways, it basically destroys the whole FF7 story itself, if cloud never had any real feelings for aerith he would never be as motivated to kill sephiroth, he wouldn't have any deep grudge to sephiroth, he would've never said that "the promised land, i think i could meet her there" line in the end, Clouds feelings for Aerith is one of the most fundamentally important aspect of the game, if clouds feelings for Aerith were of zack, it wouldn't make sense at all, clouds character would be totally nullified just because his feelings for aerith was of zack, it would ruin the game, really. pez, im really disappointed in you on this one.
@lafranhudo
@lafranhudo 4 года назад
@@queencard97 well if you don't think that the loss of the best friend and hero who saved him who only wanted to return to see his girlfriend, and then the loss of that person who was precious both to him and to his savior if that is not the motivation I know what and both in the old game and in the new game they always gave you the option to choose between tifa and Aerith so that everyone who plays realizes that the tifa scenes are deeper and longer than those of Aerith before it comes with 7 stones in my hand I still think zack will die on the cliff
@aqmasaparin8283
@aqmasaparin8283 4 года назад
Rafael souza that awkward hug and cloud line only 3 line? What is that deeper?
@Kaahlan
@Kaahlan 4 года назад
Lots of awesome observations and theories in this, nice work!
@Azureflame20
@Azureflame20 3 года назад
The music point at 12:40 is something I never noticed and its F**KING BLOWING ME AWAY RN. The level of subtle detail in all of this game is actually incredible and as a long time FF fan, I absolutely am here for it.
@GoldenMushroom64
@GoldenMushroom64 4 года назад
I actually started tearing up towards the end of the video. Your theories are so enlightening Pez. The amount of subtext in this game is RIDICULOUS!! WHY did Square wait so long to make a remake if they had all these ideas for extra lore???
@bahamuttamer597
@bahamuttamer597 4 года назад
Love the theory man, bringing the compilation together
@AlleluiaElizabeth
@AlleluiaElizabeth 3 года назад
If Spira and Gaia really are supposed to be one in the same, what you wanna bet Jenova crash landed right on Guadosalam and the Far Plane? lol That'd be about Spira's luck.
@willrock2122
@willrock2122 3 года назад
Just when I thought I was tired of ff7r to og ff7 theories. MAN you just blew my mind. The videos are long but filled with very relevant content and possible theories, I enjoyed every minute of it. I really do appreciate the time you have taken to put together these videos. I can't wait to see part 2 to see if your right. It wood make the game better and deeper. BROTHER you just earned yourself a subscriber. Keep it up
@tamandatroell2892
@tamandatroell2892 4 года назад
Wow dude thank you so much for recommending sleepezi theory that was mind blowing. I mean you presented ideas that got me thinking about things I noticed in more legitimate way .....but sleepezi blew theory crafting out of the water. His elaboration made me see what you mean about Minerva so much clearer. It was an incredible 4 hour ride I could not believe the level of symbolism that is involved in his grasp of connections he covered. Absolutely level 10 mind blowing and I was right at that lv 4-5 with maximilian dood after playing with my knowledge of advent children and the lifestream stories...I came to those conclusions too. But holy materia batman I was more blow out of the water by these revelations than I was when I learn about the music break down. You were right if you really are looking for a truly unique future theory....sleepezi got it....got job you broke fate freed evil sephiroth and now the planet hates you too. Have fun fighting ultimate. LoL it makes total sense I had to replay the game and this. We information just fits so well the ending is in a whole new light now. I highly recommend you watch the full mind blowing break down sleepezi gives and replay the game it's more incredible than ever. Also take the time to watch Alex Moluka music he does the most incredible break down of the symphony that is ff7 it adds so much to the full intensity of the story.
@autm2013
@autm2013 4 года назад
Aerith is like Davey Jones ferrying souls to the other side
@autm2013
@autm2013 4 года назад
@James Gravil I was thinking that! But then Will becomes Davey Jones and does it right, that's along the lines of what I was actually thinking. Now all I see is Aerith with a tentacle beard 😂 hahaha!
@Cidsama
@Cidsama 4 года назад
Love your passion on this topic, I couldn't keep my eyes off of it, and listening, normally I just play games and listen, but I couldn't play anything, I had to give you my full focus, thank you for the brain spikes of enjoyment. really got me thinking on these kind of ways the game can go, I hope you're right because this is amazing.
@isayahills4889
@isayahills4889 3 года назад
Genesis loves his brothers "Sephiroth" and "Angeal" what if he could surpass Minerva and take her place? what if we could get Angeal and Genesis to help Sephiroth and they all join to basically give the world its "hard restart" at the cost of the 3 lives (angeal, genesis and sephiroth) in the very end and genesis and cloud are to take over certain roles for the better of both the planet and the people?
@geminipollen
@geminipollen 3 года назад
I’m new to Final Fantasy, watched many videos in quarantine about it and this is one off my favorites . Truly enjoyed this, excellent.
@BeachPleased
@BeachPleased 4 года назад
22:20 one doesn't simply put "Price of Freedom" in the middle of Video 😭😭
@calebpilon3484
@calebpilon3484 4 года назад
Great work as always, Pez!
@freedoom755
@freedoom755 4 года назад
wow, that's a 11/10 video. thanx! that just blew my mind!
@kyleprzelenski6196
@kyleprzelenski6196 4 года назад
You make great shit man. Really enjoy your theory videos. I've forever loved thinking about this game and it's just a fun watch.
@tamandatroell2892
@tamandatroell2892 4 года назад
I'm so happy someone noticed the water connection. I never had the words to explain it or really put my finger on just what it was. But the lifestream connection makes total sense that's what I was sensing. There is a part in advent children where clouds phone hit the lake and aerith like the dream version in the remake leaves cloud with a similar message. It's not the same like I thought but haunting in the same way
@koosh88215
@koosh88215 4 года назад
Even more symbolism between these characters with water- what connects the *clouds* to the *earth*(aerith)? - rain/water
@chibikitti9947
@chibikitti9947 3 года назад
Gosh, these videos get me so hyped for the next part of the remake! I loved the first part and I can't wait for the second part! I can't waiiit!
@josephsawyer2520
@josephsawyer2520 4 года назад
So Minerva was a cetra that created the materia and weapons and banished Jenova? Maybe that would explain the knights of round summon being used on Jenova. Aerith being an angel ascending to godhood sounds astonishing.
@CetraMystic
@CetraMystic 4 года назад
Just to mention the assessment of Shiva suggests she was involved in sealing jenova as well remember the summons seem to be the spirit of ancient beings sealed in materia..... in fact i imagine its something like becoming a faith in ffx i assume Minerva and any other godly being could be turned into a summoning quite a rabit hole of possibilities...
@ShellsGhost1
@ShellsGhost1 4 года назад
I feel like FF7 is about life vs death. The Planet vs Jenova. White Materia vs black materia. Aerith and Sephiroth are simply Avatars fulfilling their will. Cloud is the corrupting force on Sephiroth's influence in the same way Jenova corrupted Sephiroth and attempted to with Cloud through Sephiroth. And later humanity with the stigmata manifesting as Sephiroth through her dark lifestream. Purifying it freed Sephiroth to be his own person
@maellesaliou5871
@maellesaliou5871 3 года назад
I think that FFX and FF7 being in the same universe just mean Gaïa and Spira are both Planets from the same Galaxy. By the way I love your theories and extrapolations ^_^ I even bet that at least one of your theories will go true
@dreamphoenix
@dreamphoenix 4 года назад
This is absolutely fantastic. Thank you!
@SpyOrcaX
@SpyOrcaX 3 года назад
I can already see this ending in my mind with Cloud sprouting a black and white wing metaphorically . I think you're on to something!
@KJames2345
@KJames2345 3 года назад
Nah! you need two vessels to seperate Sephiroth's Mind and Body.... To truly defeat Sephiroth.
@tiffyw92
@tiffyw92 4 года назад
The bit about "the consequences of destroying the Weapons" reminds me: who exactly is the man in Kalm who asked for the Earth Harp and Desert Rose? For the longest time, we'd all just figured he was optional-sidequest man and didn't think that deeply into it. But what if the artifacts retrieved from the Weapons play a role in the lore as well? It doesn't seem to be coincidence that Cloud's ultimate weapon is retrieved from the body of Ultima Weapon. At least, that's what I think can better explain the reason for the name "Ultima Weapon" other than as just a pun.
@frats5238
@frats5238 4 года назад
Loving the theory vids!!!
@LakersCP3
@LakersCP3 3 года назад
Yoooo you're attention to detail with the similarities from FF7 to FFX blew my mind. Never caught that
@Trigger15_
@Trigger15_ 4 года назад
Woah man you just blew my mind. I'm 100% with you on this
@Cbb88dragonborn
@Cbb88dragonborn 4 года назад
I don't think I have been quite as captivated as I am now in a long time. Even for the entire hour I was fascinated and intrigued at every word. This really is some top tier work Pez, thank you for that. I can't wait to see where the devs take all of these concepts into part 2!
@RlKrav
@RlKrav 4 года назад
I still havnt played through the game yet but have heard the changes made. So does this mean when Aerith died in the original timeline used the life stream to send herself back to the remake timeline. Which is why she can't be revived in the original timeline, because her soul was no longer in the original timeline.
@NP-Channel
@NP-Channel 4 года назад
then how she can communicate with Cloud and the other in AC/ACC movie?
@AntipaladinPedigri
@AntipaladinPedigri 8 месяцев назад
34:56 Party: woohoo! Optional bosses to kill for ap, exp, and loot! Planet: now you dun' goofed.
@monca1222
@monca1222 2 года назад
Coming back to you after the trailer because I love you and your videos lol and seeing more Sleepezi, MJ Gallagher, and baby seal stuff... I will remember this again when part 2 comes out. I'm really wondering if part 3 is gonna be called remembrance/return now...
@ma5tertonberry
@ma5tertonberry 4 года назад
I love that you look at the screen on the side as if it's there xD
@baconatorstrazinski7881
@baconatorstrazinski7881 4 года назад
l love that you tie in these esoteric concepts
@NexLevel719
@NexLevel719 3 года назад
As a fan of the law of one, I'm pleasantly surprised to see you mention it
@vivibelongia9499
@vivibelongia9499 4 года назад
Holy shit the Hymn of Faith! I didn’t even notice! Your vids are incredible!
@princessjupiter922
@princessjupiter922 4 года назад
This is a good theory Pez. Although we have to remember the alternative timeline with Zack being alive. Since there are two timelines we don't know how that is going to play out. Would Zack be in the same position as Cloud as in your theory? How does Cloud fall into that timeline? I would honestly love to hear a theory on a possibility of how Cloud fits into that timeline with Zack being alive.
@Kafrein
@Kafrein 3 года назад
Looking at people and therapy, we often develop defence mechanisms that kept us safe at one point in the past (jenova) and later are no longer needed (minerva, the weapons). It's like the planet is undergoing a transition into maturity and working to get over it's trauma. The question I have is how will the planet effectivel eliminate Jenova completely, or what's left of her.
@Zaalpe
@Zaalpe 3 года назад
I have a theory that Aerith became a goddess the same way Sephiroth wanted to become a god. Basically absorbing the power of the lifestream where it collects where meteor hits. It makes sense in my head
@liamtaylor5741
@liamtaylor5741 4 года назад
Love your passion Pez
@elainechauvin2190
@elainechauvin2190 4 года назад
I’d love to see a collab with sleepezzi also. 🙂
@rimanm6934
@rimanm6934 4 года назад
If Minevra so powerfull, why Zack defeat her?) also Aerith now goddes?) Why people only see in her some divinity thing that had sacrafice herself, and doesnt realise she hadnt even that much power, she is just girl who happen to be last cetra, and want simple life, but cant due to her duties. She is not that manipulative, and her visions even are that complete, she just try to make it somehow work for people she care about. she jsut pretend be hapier than she is, and stronger than she is for other people, expicially for Cloud. Aerith isnt what she looked like.
@edalmirneto4246
@edalmirneto4246 4 года назад
Zack is a true hero
@KJames2345
@KJames2345 3 года назад
Aerith a Goddess.... What a Half Cetra. Has to be the Goddess Mother Earth Gaia.
@KJames2345
@KJames2345 3 года назад
@@edalmirneto4246 Zack a true hero couldn't defeat a Shinra army which Cloud and his party have killed with ease. 😆 Goes to show what a sh*t ending CC was doesn't.
@edalmirneto4246
@edalmirneto4246 3 года назад
@@KJames2345 well, thanks to Seph and the Winspers all gona weeee!
@KJames2345
@KJames2345 3 года назад
@@edalmirneto4246 Square just decided to change his fate for the fans. All be it a different timeline.
@Mattme83
@Mattme83 2 года назад
Dude you are eerily right on the money with a lot of this. The leak just revealed all of this to be true.
@chibiasta
@chibiasta 4 года назад
Like the theory a lot!
@nmason361
@nmason361 3 года назад
Pez called Rufus Seifer lol! Dude I love this stuff, keep on theorizing!
@ma5tertonberry
@ma5tertonberry 4 года назад
The hymn of the fayth audio connection just blew my mind
@commanderkitsune8524
@commanderkitsune8524 4 года назад
Around 35:50 is when I started to see the Flnal Fantasy VII Remake as not a remake of the original, but a continuation and final chapter of the Compilation.
@CetraMystic
@CetraMystic 4 года назад
What ive been saying since the minute i saw the ending of remake this game is the new cannon a result of incorporating all the additional materials in the compilation bringing them all together in cohesion. The compilation retconed and added so much that og 7 didnt really make sense anymore it created a lot of plot holes. The remake will bring it all together and show the results of all the cause and effect this is compilation ff7 not a remake of og ff7 a remake of the compilation universe of ff7.
@Larudantex1991
@Larudantex1991 4 года назад
And that’s why I love it and I call it FF7 - 2 ! Old and new fans are surprised and want to know the meaning behind all this ! Nomura is the best ! Maybe he stretched Kingdom hearts too much but he clearly can make good story twists !
@divinearia1601
@divinearia1601 4 года назад
um....except this game scrapped the compilation's idea that Zack bought Aerith her pink ribbon and went back to the OG's narrative that Aerith had been wearing the pink ribbon since she was a little child. It's not even clear that Zack ever fell through her roof...'cos...her reaction to Cloud falling through her roof makes it seem like it's the first time anything like that had ever happened to her. In the OG, she met Zack on the streets and he never fell through her roof. Doesn't seem to me like it's following the compilation either.
@StarChildSwagg
@StarChildSwagg 3 года назад
So i was looking at this and did you notice that in the Cetra scene...the calamity falling was Yellow, but the tail of it turned Purple??? What If, That was actually MINERVA??!!😵🤯🤯🤯
@droyal1994
@droyal1994 4 года назад
Ff7 and FFX could very definitely be distantly connected
@kirkcavanaugh1493
@kirkcavanaugh1493 4 года назад
I agree. They really found a way to show us all about Aeris in this one. Like why Cloud was so intrigued by her. And how anyone could possibly give Tifa a run for her money.
@Ebby_MoonBunny
@Ebby_MoonBunny 4 года назад
So essentially it's like Cloud will bring balance to the force? Lol. Anyways great theory Pez, I'm honestly still trying to piece bits together myself even as I'm playing the second time around and it's nice hearing other people's perspectives. 😀
@lafranhudo
@lafranhudo 4 года назад
interesting crazy but interesting won a subscriber guy and really nice to see these theories I don't think it will be something so elaborate by the way square registered the mark of Dirge off cerberus 1 month before the launch of the ff7 remake 👀 I think we will have genesis
@alexlai2536
@alexlai2536 Год назад
Wow great interpretation!
@WindowtotheSoul
@WindowtotheSoul 4 года назад
This was excellent!
@marbarosi
@marbarosi 4 года назад
Yeah, 54:40 your watching a video of " What they may have looked like" I think S hinra did that on purpose as their trying to say that they are in many ways connected to that going forward with Neo-Midgar.
@elixir4483
@elixir4483 4 года назад
Its about to get J U I C Y
@syahmioziar5290
@syahmioziar5290 4 года назад
I think in the end, cloud might need to die to fully kill sepheroth just like harry potter did against "you know who".
@dsennack7792
@dsennack7792 4 года назад
Syahmi Oziar if I was cloud during that moment I would take the train with aerith that brings you further instead of returning
@Msevelvet
@Msevelvet 4 года назад
Totally possible, considering Cloud’s memory of Sephiroth is one of the reason why he can constantly revives himself. Cloud might have to die so he can break the “chain” for Seph to come back
@monkeydjimmy5169
@monkeydjimmy5169 4 года назад
*I am a NEW FAN of this channel*
@dunharold
@dunharold 3 года назад
49:07 I highly agree with this theory pez, cloud will ascend as the true winged angel, a very cool concept seeing cloud with perfectly even wings arrayed with white and gold feathers. Or it may be granted to him by minerva in a form of a weapon, we haven't seen yet the appearance of angeal's sword, the only weapon with a perfect gold wings motif design.
@geymerr8805
@geymerr8805 4 года назад
i love aerith first time i saw her
@sephandremanticore5438
@sephandremanticore5438 4 года назад
For the past 5 years I've been developing a story about a boy whose life decision are dictated by an assortment of ominous visions until he realizes he is actually seeing memories from a future life he has not yet lived. Given that the reader has no experience with the main character's future self, I don't know if it has less effectiveness than how FF7 is playing with this idea.
@commanderkitsune8524
@commanderkitsune8524 4 года назад
Now after finishing this video, I'm certain that the Remake is a remake of the world of FFVII. A world being guided towards free will, while the OG FFVII is a world of Control. Both games, both versions of FFVII represent the duality of life. Both games are different sides of the same coin. It's why the Remake still and will still follow the core principles of the original. Key points in the timeline will still happen. The foundation is the same, what makes up the coin, but there will be a different etching on this side of the coin, the Remake side of the coin. So I guess OG FFVII can't really be called the original anymore, just like the Remake can't really be a remake. I'm going to start referring them to FFVII: Astral Edition and FFVII: Umbral Edition. Borrowing from FFXIV with this, but Astral Edition deals with a solidified structure that can't be changed (static), while Umbral Edition releases that control, or breaks free of it at the end of Part 1, and becomes a journey of chaos, change and unlimited potential brought on by free will. What are your thoughts @finalfantasypeasent if you read this?
@JoyfulUniter
@JoyfulUniter 4 года назад
The law of one!! Omg I'm fan boying RN I didn't know you were that wise but I suspected.
@Blackfire_2022
@Blackfire_2022 4 года назад
What is that song at the end of the video
@rosariorodriguez8338
@rosariorodriguez8338 4 года назад
I LOVED YOUR THEORY!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE!!!!!! I CAN RELATE TO AERITH''S HIDDEN POTENTIAL. Only for me though, I can't talk about it. But mam oh, man!!!!! YOU TOTALLY BLEW MIND AWAY I CRIED!!!!!!!! I GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!! MANY GRATEFUL THANKS TO SLEEPEZI!!!!!!
@MukamiMei
@MukamiMei 4 года назад
I really will love a collab sz Imagine that oh lord
@JoyfulUniter
@JoyfulUniter 4 года назад
You have to be at a certain level spiritually to even encounter the law of one. It's one of those "teacher comes when the student is ready" type of things.
@Ryukend3n
@Ryukend3n 4 года назад
Yeah mah boi sleepezi has mind blowing theories. And thx ffp for originally showing me the way to ezi.
@ssbenj3523
@ssbenj3523 4 года назад
Exciting
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