To all the people writing ''This isn't Karate'': Okinawan Karate used to be about continuous adaptation to modern threats. As soon as protective gear was available, they started using it for full-contact matches.
@@user-ry1qn3wq1m update: i switched to kudo after training kyokushin my whole youth it gives me everything i need and: headstrikes, grappling, takedowns and its budo
This is real karate as it should be, none of this point-scoring crap in modern karate. Grappling is very much a part of karate and this has been confirmed by various karate historians.
Agreed. In isshinryu karate back in the 1990's and early 2000s we worked on submissions just as much as we did striking. When we sparred in my old sensei's dojo, if it went to the ground, he let it go for several minutes to see what would happen. I eventually got so good at beating the other brown and black belts that he started handicapping me by giving my opponents weapons and I had to fight with no weapon vs them with an escrima stick or okinawan bo, and I was expected to disarm the other brown and black belt students. Real street defense requires you learn to full contact "as close to no rules as possible" sparring.
The problem is not the point-scoring system, it's the lack of full-contact criteria needed for an honest assessment of a scoring point. What you're referring to is the modern shiai sport karate, which basically has become like modern Olympic fencing. Basically a game of tag! In the early days of karate competition, scoring was similar in concept to judo's scoring criteria. A full Ippon was only awarded by KO or incapacitation (unable to continue fighting). Wazari for a full-contact strike with power and control, but not resulting in KO or a submission (successful strike, but opponent can recover immediately). Yuko for successful strikes but with no effect (strikes landing on target but no effect, just the potential to have caused damage if the technique had been executed properly). The criteria for Wazari (half point) is two wazaris would amount to a full ippon. Similar in concept to boxing's knock down, but with no KO or TKO. Yuko was just the total amount of strikes landed but with no effect. This in turn would not amount to a full Wazari, just to brake a stalemate. Further criteria for Wazari is a combination technique in which opponent is knock down by a sweep. It must be preceeded by a combination of strikes (knock down rules). Also a combination of strikes that would cause a momentary knock down (high-low or continuous combination technique). Because of the inherent danger involved, without proper protection equipment, these type of competitions were no longer permitted.
This is how isshinryu and gojuryu used to train and spar every day. Sadly, most dojos no longer train and fight like this. I trained 5 days per week under a 4th degree black belt 3 hours per day. He was an 8 years veteran on the marine corps. Now people don't do real sparring, they do shitty points sparring and they get their ass kicked when they get in a real street self defense situation. In isshinryu dojos in the late 1990 and early 2000s era, we used to full contact spar and fight on the ground too, and I was one of the best at it.
This is great. If they spar like this and train forms and conditioning like the Okinawan folks, I'd call that a hell of a martial art, by any standards!
This is awesome. This is the type of evolution in sparring karate needs in order to stay relevant and practical. Also Props to the one kid that new a little bit of jiujitsu.
I see a good fight and I found it funny that people think that thing fake because it's not like karate, those people should really learn how to fight lol. Kyokushin karate practicer OSU
I am a Goju-Ryu karatéka from Montréal, I always wanted to try or change to Muay Thai because I don't fight in my dojo, it depresses me because I know can be a good fighter. But now that I'm seeing this I discovered more about Goju-Ryu and it gives me hope I can compete and represent my dojo.
All these people commenting it’s not karate and stuff, it was actually pretty entertaining to watch and was better than most karate fighting videos I’ve seen.
For all keyboard warriors calling it "not Karate" or "similar to Kudo" , they better know the meaning of the Japanese term Kumite. Kumi= Freestyle/engagement of grappling, Te= Hands/Arms. Goju Ryu incorporates Iri Kumi, i.e., freestyle fighting/sparring as per Okinawan dialect. Goju Ryu itself means Go= Hard striking, i.e., Closed hand punches & Kicking techniques with linear movements , Ju= Soft/open hand techniques with more circular movements, i.e., attack, block & control opponent using joint locks, grappling, takedowns, and throws!! Btw, Kyokushin Karate style is a descendant style of Goju Ryu Karate & Seidokaikan Karate & Kudo, both are descendants of Kyokushin Karate!! I myself am a 4th Dan Black Belt in Goju Ryu Karate & have sparred like this wearing only groin guard but no headgear & gloves!!KBWs kindly make a note & increase the sphere of their martial arts knowledge!!
Y dime . Has peleado contra luchadores de judo o jiujitsu? Mamejan tecnicas similares a estos o mejores que el jiujitsu? Goju ryu puede ganarle a un rival de jiujitsu y judo?
This is very good, sparring is about striking, throwing down nd still working on the ground to submit your opponent. That's great traditional karaté is better than modern
My son is also doing Goju-Ryu Karate and his Sensei also let them do the full contact version Kumite. Altough they do Sports Kumite they also compete in some full contact cents. His Sensei still wants his students to gain experience in full contact karate and let them use all the techniques they are learned and practiced.
I practice Goju Ryu here in Brisbane and we do kumite with pads almost weekly.. light contact with control focusing on all the techniques we've been learning. Sometimes we go a little harder but that always comes down to you and your partner, if it's mutual, you go as hard as you like, it's good fun 😄 It's fundamental to really developing your skills. For the younger kids it's not needed as much but good to get them having a go and understanding what it's like to use what you've learned in a real setting. Great that your boy is into it, hope he really enjoys the Karate journey 🙏🏻
pardon my ignorance; I thought Goju ryu karate does not allow full contact. This is really good to see karate doing full contact. Osu from Kyokushin and shotokan.
If you're thinking of most Goju-ryu, coming from mainland Japan and being more sport-oriented, then you're right to find this style of sparring unusual. The Okinawans did more of this type of continuous sparring, but what you see here is different, as it incorporates modern protective gear, non-Okinawan grappling influence, and the whole judging system. There are lots of ways to spar, and they all have their respective benefits. This is just one particular way of doing it. There's no official Goju kumite. Good luck with your own training!
yong Un Mao you can train karate however you want. It’s not what you train, it’s how you train. These guys have dispensed with the WKF like rule base for karate kumite and adopted a more practical MMA set of rules.
Yep, i think that goju ryu and kudo are very similar in some aspects. Kudo is more sport oriented and borrows some techniques from other martial arts, but the pursue of effectiveness is the same. It depends on how you train it of course. I'm sure there are goju ryu dojos around where they only do kata and never spar, but in this case, it's great.
This is good kumite imo. Everyone needs to learn striking and grappling nowadays in this MMA crazed era. Btw, ignore the naysayers in the comments section. Either they show videos of themselves doing better otherwise their comments is nothing but hot, keyboard warrior air! Osu!
The method is great, they have a ways to go in skill but if the schools adopted this as the default for sparring they’d get very good over the next few years
That was great sparring it had the right balance off power and technique, the kids loved the power shots and take downs bless them, the crowd loved it !
Karate was mma bro, use everything you can to win a fight. It was called tode,it originated in okinawa, and every city had its style. Designed to defend yourself unarmed, since the Japanese empire forbade okinawans to carry a sword. Karate never was a unique entity and it was much different from what people see today. Shotokan popularized karate worldwide but that style is only 100 years old and it's not in any shape or form true karate. It took a lot of inspirations from boxing too.
I've compete in Okinawa, with IOGKF in 1991. Irikumi. then had Full Contact gear, pads and gloves. They've changed now.... Fantastic display, missing that Kumite
I also think Goju Ryu is effective and beautiful at the same time. I suggest watching Karatemo's videos too. He practices Goju Ryu: www.youtube.com/@karatemo
I liked this. Good to see Karate being tested in a contact environment that includes ground work. Thank you for posting. I can't make out the logos on the uniforms, is this Goju Morio HIgaonna's organization?
You can train/apply karate however you want. It’s not what you train, it’s how you train. These guys have dispensed with the WKF like rule base for karate kumite and adopted a more practical MMA set. Karate was never designed for point scoring, it was designed to mess people up!
This kind of fight IS very important to practise. But Real fight without any protection,IS in the first 5secondes . It s for this reason morio higaonna said , fight IS ippon kumite. No less, no more.
I'm liking this a lot. I have a bit of a background in Kyokushin, Syoei Juku Karate, Muay Thai and I've trained some BJJ. I hear references to Kudo/Daidojuku (another great art), and seeing how Goju does it, then this is awesome. An art that I know will keep up with modern times. Keep up the good work, guys. OSSU!
It's interesting that so many people equate style with the rule-set followed in kumite. While different arts correlate with different rule sets, it seems to me that any style can use any set of rules in the practice of an art. In fact, the more ways you spar, the better for developing an effective and well-rounded martial artist. So yes, this particular match is comparable to the rules used in Daido Juku, which is comparable to MMA. At other times we use ippon rules. With regard to the people who say, "This isn't Goju-ryu!" If they mean that we both really suck and are a disgrace to the legacy of Chojun Miyagi... well, then, OK. But if they mean we're not doing ippon kumite, then I would argue that they have a very provincial understanding of karate.
Out of curiosity, why if one is still on ones feet and one's opponent is on the ground would one go for a mount rather than circling around and going for either kicks or stamps to the grounded opponents head or ribs?
My question is, if someone plays karate kyokushin, judo and kick boxing, would he or she be better than fighting someone that plays this type of karate because they've got experience in 3 different fields? Or is just better to attend this type of karate from the beginning? To be honest, I've always heard about this type of karate but now till I knew how they fought and honestly I liked it. I'm in all three karate kyokushin, judo and kick boxing because all three complete each other to be a fulll packed and prepared fighter. Osu.
This looks like a hell of a lot of fun! My only criticism is that at one point, one of the fighters got mounted by the other, and he tried to defend by extending his arms to punch. If you do that against someone who is well-versed in some kind of jacket wrestling (Judo/BJJ/Sambo/etc), there's a huge risk of getting caught with a straight armbar (juji-gatame). But I'm no expert on anything though, so please don't take it like I'm trying to talk down to anyone; just my observation. Happy training!
Karate originally had grappling (mainly stand up/clinch work)and throws. What you usually see is the westernized and bastardized version of Karate here in America.
It was 2015. The guy starting with his back to the camera is me, and the other is a guy named Jeremy from CT. Not big shots in the IOGKF - just a couple of guys who like karate.
didn´t know that Goju ryu have full-contact kumite. when i was traning years ago the only option was the old basic point system. Yuko, Wazari and Ippon.
Only problem with gloves and face shields is that it encourages indiscriminate punching to the skull. In the true true you don't punch the skull. You punch the jawbone or use open handed technique. "break the thumb you've killed the family" That being said, this training protocol is better than what 99.9% of karate school will use. This (with shin guards) is perfect for kids and beginners.
I assume it´s IOGKF. Great to see creative approach to training. Good fight, guys show heart. Why shouldn´t it be Goju? It´s just another training method. How could somebody expect true Goju in a competition type fight? There is no first attack in Goju kata. The guys would be just stairing at each other, waiting for the other to attack. How could you defend in a competition match by broking elbows, knees and similar? There will never be true Goju in a competition match.
As a matter of fact, there is not true martial arts of any type in any tournament... Even boxing, get rid of the gloves and it becomes a totally different animal... As soon as it is a "tournament", then it becomes a sport.
They think MMA is real, Silat in its old forms are the arts of kill. Some Silat Style dont have hand to hand combat, they rely everything with weapon only. They only need one slice and the fight is over.
Because in full-contact karate there's no bouncing. That's just something shiai sport-karate does to develop dynamism, since sport karate is a game of touch and not about effective technique. In full-contact karate you need to be grounded, otherwise you just get thrown around like a rag doll...
I'm rewatching this, and yeah, when you can punch as hard as a Gojuryu fighter is supposed to punch if they've been trained correctly, the bullet-proof glass on the face is necessary for sparring, otherwise you'd break one another's nose or jaw every time you punched them.
Without proper safety equipment protection, applying karate full-contact is dangerous. Real karate training is about the knock down one punch or strike method (Ikken Hissatsu)!
It’s nice to see that there are other karateka engaging in continuous sparring with heavy-full contact. My only gripe is the plastic face shields. If the ultimate goal is self defense you need to learn to take a face punch and how to fight through the pain/discomfort of it.
i get what your saying but lets face it most people do martial arts because they enjoy it the moment they start getting smacked in the face and risk getting a broken nose or something there going to leave i think the face plates are a nice compromise as you can take a body punch without risking disfigurement ive seen clubs that wear foot, shin, groin and helmet protection along with huge boxing gloves you feel like the michelin man and you learn nothing but this i actualy like personaly
@@kevlarchicken i mean there's a balance between realism and safety always, but there is no, or at least shouldn't be a risk of disfigurement from a face punch in sparring. either practice in the dojo, or competition. the face protectors create a false sense of security about taking a face punch (if anyone actually bothers to throw them) and it shifts the 'meta' of the fight so to speak away from face punches since they won't cause pain they provide no deterrence, and very little advantage of any sort. why punch the face when you can hit them in the solar plexus and knock the wind out of them for example?
@@johnpjones1775 again i agree they do create a false sense of security if i were to introduce them it would probably only be for the lower grades were you dont have nearly as much control as a dan grade should
For those in the know, are submissions permitted in this? Last time I did Karate was 20 years ago (Goju Ryu) and as far as I know nothing like this existed then.
What association were you with? Bogu kumite or irikumi go kumite as a rule set was created in 1927 by The Karate Study Group of Tokyo Imperial University, which devised its own armoured karate system and began to practice sport Karate. Then was brought to Okinawa's school system by Kentsū Yabu who adopted armour in Karate while teaching it at Okinawa Prefectural Normal School. Also in Okinawa, for a while, sparring while wearing armor was also used in Shigeru Nakamura's "Okinawan Kenpo". Remember the Pinan kata were developed for the Okinawan school system by Anko Itosu between 1905 & 1907. Before the development of Pinan the Naihanchi were taught. Then in 1940 Gekisai Dai Ichi by Shōshin Nagamine and Gekisai Dai Ni by Chōjun Miyagi in 1940. The semi-contact form of karate was developed as a kyōgi during the USA miliatary occupation, so that Karate could become a legal sporting game post 1950 when Kendo became legal.
Why not? Karate should be flexible and evolve. Karate always including throws and grappling, it just got lost in the McDojofication in the US. These guys are taking karate back to its roots
All karate-ka should at one time or another train in Muay Thai. They should also train in boxing and Savate, that's how originally karate was meant to do, to train and learn from all other styles and systems. The original masters travel to China and Korea to learn from every one. That's how karate continued to develop, but then WWII happened.
It's an official event of the IOGKF-USA, so it's really Goju in that respect. If this looks different than what you're used to, see the reply below to Draconic Ryuken. :)
Isn't that Daido Juku? To everyone who says that even Karate has started incorporating grappling in its system, must know that Daidu Juku (Kudo) has been doing it for far more years than MMA.
Great video! I'm a big fan of Goju Ryu Karate! There are not many RU-vid channels on GojuRyu, there are mostly Shotokan. I recommend Karatemo's channel for Goju Ryu fans: www.youtube.com/@karatemo
If either one of those people were just a little less good at karate and better at ju jitsu, that fight would have ended a lot sooner. Ju Jitsu incorporated with judo is generally going to come on top in every fight, as most fights make it to the ground.
Bjj came from judo and mix it with catch at atsrat and with everything else in process, all the stuff Royce did in UFC you can find at traditional judo howere bjj evolve too much after 1993
No, Kudo as it is known is a mixture of karate with judo and other martial arts, but it is very similar to the original form of Okinawan karate, as karate was initially a mixture of Tegumi (grab fighting) with other arts.
