@@bobbyhecklemire6892yea that’s what I was thinking. I think Betty is only in control some of the time. Golb is building something, he asks what he does from people like the Lich, then disrespects and uses them as part of whatever he’s building. The lich, in all that he’s done, is just a small piece is some greater scheme. That even doesn’t grasp the concept of, which is why he fell into a depression thinking it was all for nothing.
I was wondering when someone was gonna point that out! Sure, it’s funny to imagine that Lich was just ignoring Simon’s existence, but I find it much more interesting that he’d rather shut him up first like, "Dude, it’s GOLB. Show some respect."
Wait, when did that happen? I've watched this scene over a dozen times by now and I never noticed. Yes I did read the word "slightly" in your comment so obviously it won't be easy to spot, I'm just curious, I promise.
You misunderstood. The Lich didn't even know Simon was there. He only prayed louder because his patience with GOLB's silence was beginning to wear thin
@@lucariothegodboithan why would he go back to praying silently after Golb arises and golb showing more silence not looking at either simon or the lich until the Lich yells in frustration and dies
The Lich made the mistake of confusing Chaos with Destruction in his quest to please Golb by exterminating all life, and he didn't realise that his meticulous and careful methods ran even more counter to the spontaneous nature of chaos. A universe with zero life, where silence reigns over every world, is NOT a more chaotic universe; quite the opposite in fact. If anything, this Lich ended up making himself closer to being a bringer of (evil) order more than a bringer of chaos. Makes me wonder how Unicron the Chaos Bringer would react if HE found himself in the same victorious position as the Extinct World Lich.
In terms of physics, life is itself a force of chaos. Every living thing seeks to increase the entropy of it's surrounding and by doing so be rewarded with energy it can use to build internal order within its body. The truth is, this process is never 100% efficient and in the end entropy is increased more than there's order produced, as per the second law of thermodynamics. The very existence of life increases overal chaos and hastens the heat death of the universe.
Funnily enough he actually reminds me of the Auditors from Discworld in that regard. Except in that story the ancient eldritch skeleton that is the embodiment of the end is the _good_ guy
It's somewhat similar to Thanos and his mission to wipe out half of life in the universe to impress Death, they both thought it would please the ones they're doing it for but in reality it's only doing the opposite.
@@3DJ777999I forget that comic Thanos killed half of all life cuz he had a hard on for literal death. I know the MCU gets a lot of flak but at least their Thanos isn’t so… sad
You're comparing The LIch to a literal GOD. Unicron would be happy for once, that's what he'd be. You're better off comparing Golb to Unicron, given what they are.
Well that's terrifying. Lich, an entity that seems to never die, be imprisoned or defeated in adventure time, is almost painfully imprisoned in one episode. We got trouble.
Or maybe since the other lich was duplicated in all universes, maybe that evil hand would be at the golb void too, find the crown, and mutate into an ice lich monster.
I just laugh at people that said that the Lich couldn't get depressed, sure, he was dehumanized but for him to have a goal he had to have emotions to power him, he also clearly revered GOLB like a god.
@@gp-1542most likely not but Betty killing him was very hypocritical and stupid. Simon and The Lich were going through the same thing yet she killed him
@@JadenTheUhGuyI see it that Golb was the embodiment of chaos but was otherwise non sapient. You'd have to summon him (accidentally or otherwise) for bad stuff to happen since his presence alone twists things up. Betty gave him a conscience and they work together in "controlled chaos" mentally. Lich thought that Golb was an evil overlord that wanted death but that was never the case, as he's just an extreme force of nature. Lich is as well to a certain extent but he just wants validation that his time wasn't wasted. The truth was Lich was never justified in his goal and the actions he took to achieve it, and so he himself was punished for his arrogance.
@@gp-1542 I mean it has to be betty lmao. She literally give him a flower to help Fionna and cake as well as grabbing him and not killing him. Also Yeah, The Lich did kill people but idk, I still felt bad for him. He was still going through the same thing Simon was to an extent
“I finally get to you and I’m not even trying.” Man that line hurts so goddamn much. Simon and Ice King’s entire millennial of existence has been entirely devoted to looking for Betty and the one time in his life he’s no longer looking for her and he finds her but can’t do anything to help her
Ron Perlman absolutely sells this scene he captured the perfect level of nigh-omnipotent death deity morphing into the desperation of a blindly faithful sycophant experiencing his event horizon
@@thatoneguy5343 he was asked what it was like playing the liche and said he literally didnt remember. I just went in and read some lines I never looked at a script or had any idea who the character was.
The Lich is almost like a very dark parrlel to Betty, the Lich was completely devoted to Golb and never really thought for himself or asked himself what he wanted to do. A bit like how Betty focused too much on what Simon wanted and did not focus on her own dreams enough. The Lich takes that further as he literally depends on GOLB for any basic purpose.
It is the fact of all that is created to face destruction. After untold millenia... a line will eventually be formed. You may struggle, try to spread yourself across multiple planes, but that just means you are torn apart piece by piece as the score rises- as the pieces fall into place. For in this endless plane of nothingness... there is no game over for Golb. columns can rise for eternity, all waiting for the moment when everything aligns.
I'm noticing how the rest of his body is forming to a block around his head, seemingly encasing it. So it's possible that Golb didn't even give him the satisfaction of death and he's in an eternal torture state
The Lich saw the terror inflicted as a consequence of Golb's almighty power and assumed that was the point; that it twisted souls, uprooted worlds, and consumed the fabric of existence because it wanted to. He let the trauma of witnessing these horrors consume him, thus to save his own mind, he told himself a story. If the god of Chaos wanted disruption, then he would see it through. Who knows? He could even be spared. That was his error, the arrogance to think that chaos has the will to be cajoled. For believing madness to be anything more than pure mindlessness. At the end, all his pretense and grandeur was a coping mechanism for witnessing the wisdomless world, and for that he facilitated his own end. What a Last Scholar indeed.
the way I see it, the lich was to be an agent of chaos; where he went, he did create chaos by trying to extinguish all life since he was opposed and thwarted again and again But here? he succeeded. In his victory, he destroyed all life, and as a result.... there could be no more chaos at all. Ironically, by succeeding in his mission, he failed his master.
@@thorveim1174 I get that, but here's the thing. The idea that a god of chaos would *_want_* to bring their chaos into the world is actually a self contradictory concept because desire itself is an orderly phenomenon. People don't want things for no reason. There's a cause and effect, and in light of this the way I read the madness exuded by Golb is as existence without wisdom. Phenomena without understanding. Things that just happen and shake the foundations of reality regardless of what anybody wants or whatever came before. An absolute void of meaning. Such a thing that one must learn to live in defiance of in order to have a complete life without being consumed by despair. The Litch failed to do this, which is why he ended up destroying himself in the end.
You know, if Simon found an unprogrammed crown and asked to separate Betty from that thing or even create a clone of her minutes before her sacrifice, he could save her.
You can't unscramble an egg, dude. Getting Betty INTO the embodiment of chaos is one thing, Golb was already eating her. Getting her out isn't going to be nearly as easy.
Betty is now one with Golb, it can’t be undone. Just like how Golb eating people permanently erase them from existence that people like Prismo can’t bring them back, Magic man and Simon wish to get their love one back resulted in nothing but a basket ball trash bag appearing as the wish. Golb is higher lvl of power that the Crown or Prismo wish can’t affect him in terms destroying him or bring back victim of his
Well, that does explain those green things on globes head So that means all of those are really versions of the Lich, trapped in those pieces around golb’s head.
No it's not only the Lich who had been made a tetris block but other Scholar Entities that work for Gold that's why the Lich said "he was the last Scholar ship of Gold"
@@ikowski2947 Well there are more Liches across the multiverse, so as long as one variant of the Lich exists, Golb will always at least have one scholar.
One thing that confuses me is if the Lich's knowledge runs across realities, and his presence is everywhere. Are all these versions that the Lich just feels scream out and stop? Is it like a piece of him that just dissapears?
@@BATTLESOFRAP He is meant to always lose. Golb created both good and bad to combat each other. To thrive on the chaos that takes place. A good Lich will constantly be beaten and rise again, never to succeed
Knowing how all powerful eldritch abominations work the Lich is still very much alive in there, unable to move, unable to speak, unable to die, there he will be until the end of this universe and maybe even the end of the next.
I don't know why the Lich thinks death everywhere equals chaos. Death leads to stillness, to silence, to absence of motion. Wouldn't that be the opposite of chaos?
I like the theory that the continuation of life is emblematic of the order brought by the other deities like Prismo and the Cosmic Owl. All their jobs (wish granting, dream observing, god auditing) seem to center around maintaining some level of balance and sustainability in the show's multiverse---the order to GOLB's chaos. But you're right, it seems like he was ultimately mistaken, since working towards any sort of goal is antithetical to pure chaos.
What was the Lich's prayer to GOLB? I can't make out all of it, only this: _"(mumble) inevitable (mumble) You scattered the darkness that lay before your eyes, and flapping your wings, you whirled about and through this world brought pure light."_ _"Seven brains in the heart, Seven hearts in the brain."_ I also hear something about "ever awake", "strong", and "no" in that part after the seven hearts/brains chant. Anyone with subtitles?
I like to think there is a universe where lich is still the lich he just isnt hellbent on destruction and just kinda hangs out and makes people shit their pants whenever they FAFO.
nah. Both the lich and finn are a constant state of good and evil in the multiverse. That's why even the wish finn made where the lich not exist doesn't work. Lich will eventually come into fruition and become the evil in the universe and finn will always be the one who stops him
Yeah pretty much but then there's a good chance that the other versions died as well goulb have the power of erasing you from every universe by quite literally eating one version of you so there's a good chance Betty/goulb kill the Lich in every reality( hopefully not he's a Great villain)
@@endtrap101if golb ate the lich, then the lich gets erased but golb simply turns him into a tetrix block. I have a theory of Golb turning a version of lich into a block of tetris for each lich to complete their objective. But that's just my theory
After countless lifetimes of servitude and undying dedication, the way the Lich is just, unceremoniously dispatched into permanent silence.. i know this is a cartoon but... that's heavy.
I hate to say it but this moment makes the Lich look less like a undefeatable monster and more like a giant suck up. He claims that he succeeded in creating mass extinction in Golb's honor, in reality he didn't really kill anyone except Billy, he just got some 2 dimensional space genie to commit mass genocide for him
That's exactly why the Lich was confused and depressed after having his wish granted. Destruction may cause chaos, but when everything is destroyed chaos is no longer chaos
The Lich was one of those villains we never really understood, and given to what we know now, I almost feel bad for him. I don’t think he’s gone, because his head was still intact, his skull is just sitting inside that Tetris cube. I’d love to know what’s inside those other cubes. Given The Lich Islas the last scholar of Golb, I wonder what the other scholars were, and what they looked like? 🤔
the lich ignores the betty side of golbetty when speaking to them, and simon ignores the golb side of betty when speaking to them, and that's where they both screwed up.
If only the prime Lich and Farmworld Lich learned their lesson about taking too much lives!!! Just like what Oogway said in Kung Fu Panda 3: “The more you take, the less you have.”
I wonder if Betty as Golb killed the Lich bc he was finished with the assignment or bc she doesn’t care a bit. I want 2 imagine it’s the latter bc Golbetty being a completely new individual has a lot of implications on what Golb means 2 the universe,
Well considering how THE LICH screamed in pain and showed fear I hope he died Because the alternative is literally being a sentient Tetrix block that is probably in constant pain and Agony for all eternity Those are my best guest what do you think?
@@spinozilla2421maybe that why golb sealed the lich away like that… despite him being evil and could end his existence across universes, maybe he needed to be kept alive for the sake of maintaining the universes balance
Bro i cant believe I started rooting for the lich .... When he started yelling at his master and his anger started pouring out i was like He finna turn super sayian and blow a hole in golb . But now hes playing tetris.
the finale was amazing, but my one nitpick was what they did with the Lich. i feel like they could have explored more about the relation between simon and the lich and not defeat him so easily
Think I remember hearing how Betty has no thought over herself or something but the more i see it its more that Golb is gone because every scene of hers you can detect certain emotions This scene she's disappointed in Simon When he tells her he's going to put the crown on she's angry When she's defending him from the scarab she's being mischievous with him And when simon realizes what he's done she's content
notice in adventure time that the lich can't actually be killed (because the lich is not alive), only transformed into something else. an evil spirit possessing a snail, a princess, a great hero, a dog, an amputated hand, the spawn of life and death. everytime the lich is defeated, he just seeks another vessel to continue his work, a "ceaseless wheel" as he calls himself, always working towards his objective of universal extinction, the total annihilation of both life and death.
I really want to see golbs opposite. I also hope it has a puzzle cube that isn't finished but being completed or constantly shifting pieces in a puzzle. I think I under stand golbs growing unmade puzzle, its the best representation for chaos if they represent the opposite of who ever is the grand being of the multi cereal order that is clearly prismo and the rests boss
So is this, like, just the life cycle of the Lich throughout the multiverse? They end all life in their universe, plead before GOLB, then get turned into one of those blocks?
There’s always been the implication that the Lucy has emotions, the sheer fact he laughs when he succeeds or bursts in anger when music, the enemy of discord is played around him, proved there was more to it. Besides, this didn’t stop Farmworld Lich, he still fights, unperturbed. This Lich was much older, and therefore, the death high is gone. Farmworld Lich, chronologically, has just started his quest, and doesn’t need purpose from a higher force. This Lich got his wish, and learned that it meant nothing.
it wouldve been nice if the lich stick to his guns and was actually satisfied with what he did since he scolded finn stating how he knew who he was. and becoming a tetris block was the endgame for him as if it was his heaven.
If you look closely, the lich is still inside of those Tetris blocks, head was separating from the rest of his body while it was turned into the block and began surrounding the lich’s head. Meaning all of those blocks have alive liches trapped inside of them.
Ron Perlman (The Lich) and Simon (Tom Kenny) have magnificent voice acting performances here. But in particular Tom Kenny, given how most of his roles have been silly characters (The Mayor, Spongbob, even Ice King). Hearing him put such gentleness and despair in Simon's voice is moving.
