Goodbye x86. The FUTURE is RISC-V 

Great video. I would just ignore the always-annoying 10% of people, who love to over-argue.

Sure being able to customize instructionsets sounds good.. but... it does not look good on the security side for the consumer. injecting malicious code by manufacturers and or governments. Not sure I can back that. Then there is the 'subscription model' for OS and software.. people have been turning their backs on companies like Adobe for alternatives as the consumers would rather have a one time fee instead of being chained or locked out of their file types. Then there is the storing their data on a subscription based server that their data is locked up behind a paywall. The reason for such lower sales of desktop computers is purely due to ignorance.

Ignore the trolls. Your opinions and research are informative.

How Risk-V will avoid the fate of OpenRISC? To me, I think we are dealing with the same kind of difficulties as before. * Edit 23-Sep-2019 * Also MIPS it is an open platform that any one could use these days without worrying about licenses. While I can see RISC-V gaining momentum, MIPS is a more mature and complete architecture. It already includes DSP and SIMD extensions that are yet to come for the RISC-V platform. Too early to tell

I am just going to say that your ideas are somewhat there the problem is, x86 won't be going away ARM and RISC are exactly what you called them Buzz, your opinion is based on specialization of hardware and moving forward, the problem is what you are suggesting is actually moving backwards when tailored chips were the majority of the market and compatibility issues were a nightmare, there is a distinctive reason why they went out the window, and frankly speaking the facts are it costs more and at the end of the day a business would pay ridiculous employee fees for maintenance and programing due to the specialized nature and education needed as well as the time involved. Opinions and facts are 2 separate things don't confuse the two, Also never mention cloud gaming its a complete travesty until the US can actually deal with last mile service dumpster-fire ISPs it will never be a thing Latency is the absolute most important thing in gaming, yet Bandwidth is all the marketing and ISPs want to deal with, when your minimum latency is already at 25ms its not far from already being trash.

So instead we have 100s of companies customizing the instruction set and hardware, without anywhere near the testing capability that Intel has. Now think, would that lead to more security flaws or less?

@@SteelBlueVision Less.

@@SteelBlueVision have you heard of something called Linux?

The "Intel Inside" slogan has kind of taken on a new life as of late huh? Leading one more towards realizing it's a sticker letting smartypants know that it'll be 'easy' to get intel on whatever's locked up inside :p

@@SteelBlueVision Excactly. The price for innovation brings about the best technology. Competition over time makes it affordable. Someone needs to create the technologies that we want that have the resources to do it.

You - probably not. Next generation - probably yes.

Thats what people said about music streaming services that people wanted to own their music have a copy but now music streaming services are the biggest thing in the music industry.

nano section bitch please I have my own OS that runs in my own hand made PC, silicone mined by myself, circuit board made by hand, that runs my own Version of machine code, every single electron moves upon my will, and I also have an iPhone

@@ChildOL Why stream music, when you can download it instead?

@@ChildOL I don't think the market for selling used CDs is nearly as big as the market for selling used games. Lol I always beat a game and sell it for half or more of the money I out into it, I don't wanna lose that option. Also you're fucking insane if you think I'd be okay with buying digital games at current AAA prices, fuck that shit.... I'll need a fair price drop on every new game.

Exactly. At this rate in 2050 we will be running bootleg current-era servers over pirate networks hoping the SWAT teams don't find us.

@@demoniack81 That's some good dystopia material shit right there

@@demoniack81 So you're saying I have an important role to play in the future? Cool!

This is just another form of slavery.

Revive Ham radio and keep your vintage computer

Creepy, isn't it?

probably there is a trainee under his desk :)

You should be seeing other types of men...

"Hey beautiful. Wanna see my processor? It's got RISC-V. ^^"

No English speaker speaks like this. Its a classic mainland Chinese overdub based on how they think English people should speak. Which is ironic as a marketing piece it totally misses the audience and never ceases to crack me up.

@JovcaCreaper TEMC Occupy Silicon Valley!

As long we have more competition besides few giants, it's not that bad. :)

This

well it's far worse than just the financial monthly lock u got to the company. u also then require a reliable fast internet connection, even more power to already evil ISPs. it also means MASSIVE, we're talking MASSIVE! amounts of data, that will be sold to 3rd parties. google rightnow sold email CONTENT to 3rd parties, while microsoft through windows 10 sells already pretty much everything. any cloud connection and usage will be used against u by those super mega huge and evil companies, the past and present have shown this clearly. the only viable cloud usage systems for a single person are fully encrypted email like protonmail, or fully encrypted storage. with proper encryption neither the storage nor the email folders can be read. BUT we again know, that governments force and push for backdoors into systems, some even pushing to make proper encryption criminal. so the thing u can trust at least the most.... is still your local system and storage (hopefully not run windows 10). only the insane and mad will cheer on cloud computing transitions from local systems....

I want the same, however I will not be a part of the future and that future will embrace this model and people and business will be better off for it.

It's called recurring revenue, and companies love it because they take away many freedoms from you WHILE charging you more in the long run. "Sorry, we no longer provide game x and y that you love. So there's no way you can play them now since everything's streaming"

@@wakaneut I know that's why I hate it.

Some players are pretty big fans of the model. Games like Fortnite and League of Legends are very good examples. 1. They are completely unnecessary for individual customers 2. They provide far more objective value per $ than what is spent when compared to buying said cosmetics over time (or even if bought in one purchase outside the prescription model in most cases). The sub model would still be the main source of income for the majority of games _if_ microtransactions didn't take video games from a 10 billion a year industry into a 50+ billion dollar a year business in 6 years. When did micros go nuts? 2015? I'm 100% fine with a sub plan, if it is part of my ISP and it is as flexible as possible if they said "Well according to the TCAo1996 you should pay $83.27 (inflation) per month for 1.77 TB High speed line split equally between up/down speeds with no data cap, well we will adhere to that." sign me up yesterday! They would never let that happen. Funny, they use the Telecommunications Act of 1996 all the time to **STOP** competition, while not coming close to adhering to the 500 Megabyte Up/500 Megabyte down by 2006. I mistyped in my previous post as I haven't read the Act since I was debating which way to vote on Net Neutrality (which under the TCAo1996 we wouldn't need as it would be a hindrance to new **SMALL** business). I'd still own my own hardware if it was a reasonably priced adult hobby, I'd sign up just for the superior internet speeds and lack of a Data Cap (or a substantially higher one).

I don't need monthly subscription to play a game that relies on micro transactions that I can't keep, the Desktop gaming computers will never yield, until a universal laptop becomes available we like our gaming machines big and tall.

@@SidDTheSimschannel Kinda said that in my post. The reason the sub model went away as a main source of income for games is bc of micros. I play a game now that was going to offer a sub option, but bc of micros for the model to have value it would have had to cost over $130 USD per month or offer essentially $0.99 per day in value (which only equates to about 15 min of gameplay) so they scrapped the idea. I love my PC's. About 15% of my yearly income comes from custom PC sales. Another 35% in maintenance, and the latter 50% or so from networking. My point was/is, if the service provides superior value why would you be against it? If the cost to own a vehicle that suited your needs was $500/mo, but their was an option to rent a vehicle that would keep the vehicle at your house for $100/mo, which would you choose? If you read my previous long post I actually infer the value would be more reliant on a bandwidth package than the hardware. To expound upon that, I believe once you purchase a game license, even if you can't resell the game/s (yet) there should be a built in consumer protection where you need to be notified in a reasonable period of time that the company is shutting down, and afford you the opportunity to save the game locally so you don't lose a game that you legally purchased bc the company went under. This is a big problem with all the launchers coming out. Besides GoG where you can already save your games to an sd stick and own a physical copy that isn't dependent on any platform, this will always be an issue. That's an entire other can of worms though, as the PC *_*box*_* rental would be just that. You'd still get your games the same way, just renting the hardware. Would I do it? Maybe for my spare room, but I need a strong editing PC for work/security, and another for gaming. I choose to keep a retro box and media PC in the living room, and yeah, I could see possibly replacing the media PC in 10 years or so once the hand me down cards weren't good enough to stream in 32k or wtv we are using then, or they no longer supported certain instruction sets etc...now this post is starting to make my former post look succint. I wish I could smoosh both my posts together, include all relevant fact and subjective opinion, but you kinda need to read both to see where I am coming from. Conclusion? Gaming rigs are here to stay until a rental service can solve the bandwidth cost/availability issues. Gaming rigs will be safe for decades as long as there are still enthusiasts. Heck, there are hundreds of thousands of XP-win7 rigs for older games, and tens of thousands of Win95-win982e machines to run retro games in their original form. In a hundred years or so they will be the "Model T's" of that gen, so grab one now as it could be worth a few hundred grand for your great great grand kids ;^).

it is as if we went back in time with tecnology, to back when we used to have terminals instead of full operating machines

@@rogerarruda3674 That's actually very true. I remember that time.

@@MauroSanna So do I, but there are things that benefit immensely from a centralised, high performance cluster/hpc/grid type system. Distributed or cloud computing can do things that are impossible or impractical on even the most powerful consumer PCs. That's why they exist. Buy and maintain your own hpc equipment at astronomical cost, or rent time on someone elses equipment at a fraction of the price and let them worry about all the infrastructure? Of course, not everything needs to be done remotely, and I doubt it will ever become the dominant model, despite what some scaremongers are predicting. The whole "cloud" industry is still, relatively young, with lots of experimentation and childish dreams that will never become reality.

@@another3997 Of course they are useful, for work, like the job I do everyday. Offline Rendering is a clear example, being it CPU or GPU based.

@M T No, I am not.

@lalybum Exactly, the trend is for consumers to not own anything

We need full communism

@@imgayasheck595 we are already going In that direction! In communism, you DONT OWN ANYTHING.

Most people are not serious gamers. imo the vast majority of computer users are not serious gamers.

@Zahir Datoo Works for a lot of people who don't have to pay a lump sum up front or finance a comp and pay interest.

Same

I don't like the idea of _software_ as a service either. It's only good for the seller as it allows them to send you a monthly bill instead of having to offer you might find worth your money.

@@bramblebop1904 It also allows the opportunity for poor customer support.

Lol. Undoubtedly!

So you think all research should be done on individual computers, rather than centralised, high performance clusters? You don't want your search engine to find results in milliseconds, you want it to run on your own computer? The list of hardware services you use is probably much greater than you imagine. From your point of view, the processor architecture behind it all is almost irrelevant.

Because modern idiots love renting shit instead of owning it. Have you noticed how may people these days rent their homes, their cars, their phones, anything they possibly can?

You Will own nothing And you will be happy

@@thesenamesaretaken words of a zen master?

@@premier69 world economic forum

Im guessing because once the ready player one world sucks people in they dont want people dedicating their life to it

🤔 dose this fall in the water with the move of Nvidia trying to buy ARM

The part with Nvidia graphics, Obviously Amd is going RISC-V

Apple does not switch to ARM. Apple switches to Apple Silicon which partially uses ARM instruction set (which, btw, Apple took part of developing). There is a huge difference between making own SoC and licensing cores engineered by ARM

@@kikiwora That's good to know, so Apple is not worried about the idea of Nvidia buying ARM.

@@geekinasuit8333 The Linux kernel is one project with one leader that has a ton of people working on it. If people started making a ton of kernels to customize everything, it would fall apart in a few months. Look at BSD and the lack of interchangeability with the Linux ecosystem. Look at the real Linux kernel vs whatever is in Android at this point. Look at porting a game from console to PC. This sounds like a disaster as presented.

Latency can be reduced. Scaling is the goal. Privacy is both on the consumers and companies to consider and be active on changes. If there's a concern on privacy, then create a means for it to be improved throughout the entire business stack that is not even thought about when being utilized. That is the only way to make privacy an actual viable part of any industry.

You are already the government's bitch.

@@MyDemon32 so let's try not to be a total bitch to corporations more than we have to be, right?

@@nihil8607 yep

Exactly. I want to keep building my future PCs like before, just with better and better parts.

Yeah, I want to be able to use it even if the Internet goes down.

10/10 comment, would read again.

If you agree to that, then you should also agree on what he said about jews.

@@statusquo9520 Gee I thought we'd be a thousand fucktarderie steps away from horses and Jews but you managed to fucking bridge that with an irrelvent dead guy that revolutionized the entire fucking world and was a total racist for a time that was PEEFECTLY NORMAL. I'd understand if you were Jewish but I know you aren't because we don't bitch and whine about a dead guy. Except Hitler.

@@statusquo9520 That doesn't make any sense.

@@loganhebert7475 That quote is also `a thousand fucktarderie steps away from horses` Does CPU architecture has something to do with transportation ?

How can you keep a cloud in the house? Can your house contain a cloud?

​@@thehandofjibreel8756 sure, cloud based server is just a beefed out computer plugged into the internet. Access it from anywhere you have internet. Now, with 5g coming out, it'll be new levels of internet of things.

or you can raise the temperature, pressure, and precipitation in your house and you got clouds.

@@Mike_Kewl hahahaah! A big smoky cloud!

@@Mike_Kewl lol I have a 5 raspberry pi cluster.

RISC has already ended x86 a long time ago, in more than 1 way. Firstly, the internal architecture of x86 has been RISC-like for years and secondly, everyone has one or more ARM processors in their home or in their pocket.

Really? Since 1980? Considering the x86 only started the road to dominance with IBM PC in 1981. Go visit a doctor, gramps. You're turning senile.

X86 assimulated RISC concepts while it kept X86 instruction compression advantage.

@@mjouwbuis ARM has dual instruction length which is NOT pure-RISC concept. RISC concept also has atomic instructions for math, load and store while CISC has combo instructions for math fused with load/store/memory instruction, hence X86 has instruction compression (code density) advantage. GPU ISA like gather and scatter instructions are extremely complex instruction with multiple loads and multiple store combos. X86's stack architecture is optimised stack based computer languages like C/C++. Function calls relates to stack. 1990s RISC vs CISC seperation is BS.

@@LudicInterface X86 variable length instructions are broken into RISC like fix length instructions. X86 acts like instruction compression for it's post-RISC cores. GPUs that accelerates DXR are extremely CISC due to high instruction complexity (accelerating BVH tree structure) which is opposite from RISC's atomic instruction concept.

That's without mentioning your X cloud gaming service's TOS.

Yes, it has happened to a Streamer where Steam banned his account. All access to his games were terminated during the ban.

90% of your games are probably on steam which technically you don't really own.

@@MrEnixus No, the Steam platform downloads the software to the local PC and that software is what it runs in the machine. Not directly in the cloud. People can also crack their own games they get from steam to run in local.

@@SirKakalaCh Most Eula says that you have a license for the game not copy ownership.

he didn't mean literally zero. he just meant very little lag, which is viable with local edge servers

The concept is silly on its own, but it's not crazy to imagine latency compensation techniques with their own interesting computing requirements.

@@microcolonel You mean... Running the game on your own computer. xDD Only thing the cloud is useful for is running servers. Especially servers that use SpatialOS.

@@GreatMCGamer I mean splitting the work. The server could do the more complex work of sending believable morph targets, and out-of-frame parts of the view, and the client could do the morph based on inputs before the server sends the real deal. Kinda like mouse look in quake, except less application-specific.

@@microcolonel Your explanation makes no real world logic sense. Ether because of incorrect wording, or insufficient information of wtf you mean by "morph targets"

But its bleeding edge your going to be infront of everyone :P ...

@Cirno x86 is emulated. x86-64 is doing that

@Cirno Major x86 based game consoles such as Xbox One and PS4 de-facto sets the minimum X86 extension requirements, hence it's AMD Jaguar/Intel Sandybridge instruction set. The future Xbox Scarlett and PS5 has AMD Zen 2 instruction set, hence it's Intel Haswell instruction set.

Steam works on Linux now X86 games on Mesa or GL, Wine and Virtualbox etc etc.

@@joefish6091 Mesa and OpenGL are graphics implementations and apis and have nothing at all to do with the CPU architecture. Wine implements parts of the Windows API, but doesn't do any cpu emulation - so it won't let you play x86 windows games on riscv. Steam and Virtualbox both do run on Linux, but neither does any cpu emulation so neither would let you use x86 software on a riscv system. Once we get more powerful riscv hardware, you might be able to use qemu to emulate x86, but it's going to be at a performance penalty and right now riscv is still very far behind already when it comes to high-end performance so it's going to be a while.

😂😂

The voice is obviously artificial and not the best quality. Or maybe a non native English speaker with carryover prosidy. Most annoying.

This!

What Linus say there is not set in stone. RISC-V software and ecosystem development is not tied to one company so innovation can happen faster than previous ISAs like MIPS or ARM because you will have multiple companies competing and with the advantage of RISC-V scalability, you can have from microcontrollers to AI cores to Servers so software development will be less than a problem in the future.

@@elchippe You didn't even read what Linus has said, didn't you.

@@Dj0rel yes he say the lack of development environment in desktop like X86 have will not help ARM cloud strategy. And i reply that RISC-V being not tied to one company will help creation of a development tools, even inside the X86 architecture because you will have different processors for different needs (scalability ), by example you can have RISC-V AI cloud processor that you can use from you old and decrepit X86 computer because there will be companies that will supply you with the tools for that.

@@elchippe Even if you read it you still didn't get it. Who will know how to develop/optimize software for RISC-V CPUs if nobody owns one?

Yeah everyone with their fucking clouds, God knows where. Nowadays you can put up your own LAN cloud super easily and it pays off super fast.

@Wilhelm You can buy dedicated LAN HDD (eventually any PC can fit that role - but it would need to be non-stop on, hence why this solution is not so great), connect it to router, turn local sharing on and setup WAN address to router (also setup some serious password and change login from admin - for security panel, anything to make it hack harder, also make sure you need to login to that router when accessing externally - botnets don't sleep...) - then use FTP management program to connect to router. Sadly never had need to do that so I don't know if that exact way to do it (knowing me I would correct myself few times so take it with grind of salt) but that's how I would attempt to do it.

I agree but when for example subscription on playing games over cloud (whenever that actually becomes ok) is like less than half the price of your computer + double the specs, it's not illogical to choose it, if all you want is play games.

I do not care how fast the cloud is if it's not secure. It is not worth having. A lot of cloud services have been hacked lately.

*Screw *anything

Will take time but will happen. Garbage is always only garbage compared to some others. In a few years even garbage speeds will be enough for Full-HD, low latency streams.

How could they download a 200 gb game?? they aren't even in the target zone for cloud

@@meamzcs Cloud gaming will never beat the privacy and zero-latency of gaming on your own personal hardware.

Give it a little time. 20 years ago we used a dial up connection, now look where we are. SpaceX's Starlink might be a game changer that enables this feature to mature.

@@meamzcs Good point.

Agree, also you dump performance, how? Ever wonder why you could do more and faster on an old text procesor like Word 2010? Installed in a fkng 15 or more years old mono core cpu, and still manage to multi task with other Windows and the arm chips can't do that with far more power and cores? Even with keyboard it feels horrible!

@@NaNekoRx10 thats mostly because of bloat added on to the software over the years, i kept using office 2003 well up until 2018 (when i moved on to linux) because of that very reason, the other is that user inputs have lost priority and we are using usb which isn't the best, ps2 is much faster as it will interrupt the cpu to tell it about your input, while usb will place it in a buffer and wait for the cpu to notice it

@@cj09beira Honestly i agree with you and see a growing market for small-company manufactured silicone to compliment/continue supporting legacy hardware and software. I think with the growing cloud insanity, more people will start looking at settling down in period specific computer hardware.

You never opened a spec sheet for graphic card programming I see.... Each generation of hardware had it's own special operations to call. Go in direct X12 spec sheet and list the extensions your graphic card allows. It will be sheets long, and each of those must be coded differently for.

@@cj09beira keyboard drivers are normally assigned a high priority.

@ and? Unix/Linux has traction in the server market ever since...where is it on the desktop? I am happy about variety and options. Let me show you an example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Alpha

The chip industry moves very slowly. And ARM has 100% market share in mobile devices. It's a slow creep, not a tidal wave.

what video is broken silicon?

@@mohhaf9384 A podcast by another tech tuber that goes by "Moore's Law Is Dead". He has quite a few podcasts and even 2 with Coreteks. One of my favorite channels to be honest.

@@dondraper4438 Tyvm. Never realised there is another channel which is as good as Coreteks

@@mohhaf9384 There is not (for the subject matter). The channel in question is interesting at times, but mostly he talks a lot with little substance.

Dont place Coreteks in same sentence with that herretic fanboy.

Didn't he already??? I kinda know about it, but from where it not from him? I'm sure I've heard about RISC only at Coreteks!

@@nowonmetube Moores Law is Dead has mentioned it in some Videos about Hot Chips 2019 and Linus made 2 videos about it. I actually don't recall Coreteks ever talking about it in detail up until now.

in comments sections of arm is the future there were a lot of debates about risc-v being better and i learnt about it thanks to his channel

@@thunderthrust9273 Ah, that would explain it. I learned about it from a news article about the European Processor Initiative and I was really intrigued by the way they plan to do vectorized calculations.

@@JirayD oh right. Kinda forgot about that channel lul. But through watching Coreteks' video he mentioned where he talked about it already, so I guess that's where I heard it from mainly.

I work at an isp and unfortunately I think the bandwidth issue is even worse than you portrayed.

Not to mention these companies sell your browsing history.

@Gobblarr it's even more worth the cost not having to upgrade anything while still allowing the users to fuck themselves and find their own means to do their shit.

@Gobblarr Facts.

Thanks! I'm now 16 minutes in and was looking for a good TL;DV. Seems it's "because cloud, also i'm confusing being able to add instructions to an open ISA with having an FPGA." i suspect RISC-V is boring enough to supplant x86 and ARM, but it's got nothing to do with being able to add your own instructions. That makes compatability a nightmare.

5g : am i joke to you?

@@shubhamsehgal2336 yes, 5G is a joke

Me with 3 mbits internet and 2g in my entire town:

@@shubhamsehgal2336 5g might work but you literally need to have an antenna every 50-100 and not have any concrete walls in the way, soo extenders inside everyone's house. Fun times

@@zangetsu2k8 it's not gonna work lol

Lets all face it, x86 is still the future. We can have a future with all the things.

Well, I guess he got new information and evaluated his previous opinions.

@Girogos That video came out almost a year ago. That's how quickly things change.

@@Coreteks Have you heard of IBM opening up POWER a couple of weeks ago? Even though RISC-V is all the rage, there are other open ISA's out there.

he need more views thats why he names his videos with lack of acuret knowledge / he also said in one video intel is dead and intel will never dead

Kinda hard to hide something that's been copied everywhere because it's open source

@@mattweger437 hahaha don't make me laugh. If they wanted they could even hide you. Also if it's open source then trust me it's not gonna lift off beyond the level linux did

U buy pc or parts to use it u need subcription system .... wtf nobody wants that ... they gonna bribe companies to force it ...

@@notoriousbig3k yep

Good idea. Now watching in. X1.5 speed and he sounds a lot less like he's on valium

If he did that, he wouldn't be able to ear-rape everyone with excessive bass, and the video wouldn't be as long....not so good for ads

@@RealGengarTV Yeah, ive notice sumthin wrong with his voice. Now i remember the fucking valium. Plus how many times did he say risc in this video. Geez, we get it ur advertising but u dont have to repeat it over and over again

I'd sign that!

Nope, my built in DAC and Dolby Atmos already fixed it ;)

Glad to see I'm not the only one.

*manufacturer (noun) manufacture = verb *their (possessive) they're = contraction of "THEY aRE" there: for all other uses

No, it means distributed and scalable. Anyone can easily create cloud from their personally owned computing devices. Even geographically separate or mobile.

Lols..what makes you think that your data is not in control of someone else?

@@shamirnagur9914 Lols...what makes you think that your brain is not in control of someone else?

You do it everyday regardless of what you do. Sadly.

No. There are hundreds of selfhoasted services which you can run on your own equipment in your own house, accessible from within your own virtual private network. Google, or Amazon is not *the* cloud.

Cloud computing is worth it only for companies, not home users. It's better for a company to run their stuff in the cloud since they don't have to pay for maintenance and overall have a lot less things to worry about. But this is awful for home users since you don't really own anything and all of your data is owned by some company which can do whatever they want with it.. It would also make spying a lot easier and it would be a lot less secure than having a real pc, just imagine that the cloud company suddenly dissolves and all of your data is gone.

@@htko89 Stadia is aimed at console gamers and since people are not working on consoles and have few private stuff saved there it might actually replace consoles. Desktop PCs is a whole different story. Something like Stadia will never replace desktop PC for anyone other than maybe the most basic user who mainly uses his PC just for Internet. People don´t like to give up control of their PC and to many a thin client, that is useless as soon as your internet connection or even the service itself fails, is completely unappealing!

@@htko89 I never said anything about the capability to support applications! Of course that is also possible if games are possible.The real question is, do people who buy desktop computers want that or not, and I would argue that many people don´t want that even if it technically would be possible! That´s why I said that many people who privately own a computer are not interested in cloud computing because they don`t want to loose the ability to use their software when the internet/service is down! Maybe thats a solution for companies who want to save the costs of buying expensive hardware and who live in an area where the internet connection is stable enough to support that... but private desktop computers won´t go away anytime soon. Btw. what are you talking about? Yes, consoles are computing devices, but thats not the definition of cloud computing! Games and applications on consoles are still run on the console itself, not in the cloud!

@@c4blew what do you REALLY dont like about cloud? i think it would be wonderful to use power-intensive apps like autocad, blender, photoshop, etc. and next-gen gaming with high FPS easily without straining your own system or electricity for just a low monthly fee per month would be amazing.

@@htko89 Well, yes I agree that maybe the majority of people, those who don´t care about PCs, will undoubtedly switch to cloud services. Those people also don´t care about the higher price of cloud based services and that they are dependent on the (availability of the) service they use...but those people are already migrating away from desktop PCs anyway. They are also often mac users or use only notebooks, not real desktop machines for a few tasks. Those are not the people I am talking about. I´m not going to say that cloud services won´t be used a lot in the future, but I don´t see them replacing desktops altogether. There are too many downsides of cloud based systems to completely replace them!

I used to hate intel and still hate some things about them. We need competition though. If there was no Intel, fx 9590 would hold the performance crown today with a $1,000 price tag.

So the weakness in that chain is the human element of corporate greed? Would it be better if AI handled all the inner workings of maintaining, upgrading, and innovating its services in respect to its customer needs? Should the access to high speed internet be added to the list of basic human needs and each additional piece of intellectual property or service be built into it as an addition to its functions by RISC-V features so that you always have access to it because each addition is irrespective of the cloud it came from? Would that new service be considered centralized, decentralized, or some kind of hybrid of both?

I'd sign a pact with Intel too.

The dystopian aspects of youtube and so on weren't brought upon us by open source, but rather by mega corps abusing their own power over us. So, yes, fear megacorps, and chinese megacorps, but their evilishness won't come from riskV, but from their proprietary malicious practices on top of them.

Nah, all it will do is create a competitive market.

They can probably put a hypervisor like what Apple used to do with the PowerPC.

There will surely be an emulation layer. Microsoft has successfully done it to make x86 to run on ARM, they can surely make it for RISC too

@Sasino Have you really checked the latest updates? The performance and compatibilty problems for x86 apps is just horrible, it doesn't make economical sense to the users (paying thousands $$ laptop to run x86 apps unstably at the speed of a laptop a quarter in price). ARM app running on Windows ARM is sorta okay, though, but what's the latest ARM Windows app you use?

@@cjepino Hypervisor is not a CPU emulator. X86-64/SSE instruction set are still protected by US patents and copyright. For running a commercial x86-64/SSE runtime without a license, MS and Qualcomm was threaten legal action by Intel.

Each version of windows was a miniature extinction event of some kind for a lot of software. It wholly depends on how dedicated the coders and IP owners want the IP to continue.

@Ads gtn - thanks ¿€vv$

@Ads gtn that's why I tell people to stay off it. Chinas really start this year, and it's gonna turn ugly quick.

@Ads gtn Good thing I'm going to be an entrepreneur instead of a wagecuck.

@Ads gtn I'm already on Linux and DuckDuckGo. My business would be completely separate from my social media.

@Ads gtn but Chinese style social scores integrate USA style 'no fly lists' and UK style Economic League ''no hire lists' down to train journeys and hotel stays, people become non persons. its back to the Soviet style non person, living under a bridge eating scraps. the Chines did this to Xu Xiaodong a Chinese MMA fighter last year, he publicly upset the reputation of 'connected' pompous martial arts dudes and thus got ruined.

Yeah I'm thinking the same thing.

Didn't you watch the video? Apps can run on the cloud and the screen get streamed to your thin PC...

Or you could just compile the existing code for RISK V.

​@@ZoMmY195 If only it was that easy. There's plenty of dependencies (codecs, DRM, etc) in modern software that makes it a real pain in the ass to cross compile to other instruction sets. Hell even compiling for a different OS is a pain in the ass. Hence why many applications are windows only because the developers don't want to bother compiling for linux or macOSX.

@@u9vata Oh yeah I'm sure coming back to the mainframe era is a real game changer here. DRM, the need to a good internet connection, Input lag, privacy, performance will not at all be an issue I'm sure . Also, you're only moving the problem elsewhere, somebody will still have to buy x86 CPUs to run the software in the cloud so you only added cost and two middleman between you and your software.

While I agree, there is no stopping the tide of the brainwashed masses.

You sound like an old man with a bad attitude to changes... who's right and has to watch as the world lowers standards.

@@justsomeone5314 , I have no dog in this fight. The point is that railing against moving to the cloud, if that's what the big corporations decide, is as useful as railing at thunderstorm. It may may you feel good and righteous, but it's not going to change anything. If the popular games are in the cloud and not available for any of your clients, what are you going to do? Write your own game? Or just tell the game folks to shove their game, and do something more constructive with your time?

@ You seem to think that I view myself as an activist. I'm not. I'm just speaking my mind. As for the "what are you going to do then" question; I already have enough games in my Steam library to last more than a lifetime. And I'll tell them to shove-it regardless.

Cloud can be a useful concept because that "somebody else computer" can be containers, processes, ephemeral, change IP, and the client would not care. In some ways they resemble the electron cloud of the atom where the exact position is really a probability

yes

YES

USB Type-C is USB.

Y E S

Enter thin clients

I'm wondering how long I can go on using Windows 7. 8.1 and 10 are trash, and I refuse to install them at home. I can't imagine the next iteration will be any better.

I got a Skylake system for that reason. The newest chipsets have no driver support for Windows 7 anymore. In the end, Windows 7 users will be forced out when their systems die and when there are no systems available anymore with driver support.

@@rouninpanda6318 Leave Windows 10 alone. You can trash 7 and 8 though.

@@mann8333 Hell if I could get away with using '95 still I would. 10 was designed for children. It's just progress for progress' sake. Except lately, especially for Apple and Microsoft, progress means removing functionality.

@@mann8333 windows 10 is so trash, it mess up all of my Blu-ray library. It mess up the audio, i can't play the movie with original audio in windows 10, but in windows 7 the movies played fine. Unless you can tell me how to fix the problem, I will never go back to windows 10.

If we go for a Linux style software model, support for the architecture wouldn't pose an issue. I can install x86 targeted applications onto an ARM chip with all the correct vector instructions fairly easily using the compilation on install route. If that gains more wide spread adoption, supporting new uArch's would be fairly trivial

According to the book 'The RISC-V Reader' AMD is actually involved with RISC-V, but I have been unable to confirm it.

@MiR3K Yes, but take a look at what ARM is doing right now, they are scrambling for a solution while their business model crumbles. Just 8 months ago things looked great for them.

maybe not. at least, not before a random company showed up and prove that risc v can work and customers want it. but before all of that happens, AMD and Intel are gonna sit comfortably on their x86 throne. I mean, AMD and Intel are not small company that have a flexibility to just make a random product without clear demand as their stakeholders and investors would burn them for doing that. and for now, although RISC V is clearly getting on the tech news headlines recently, it's not gonna make people think "I want a RISC V GPUs NOW". maybe in another 5 years, we can expect a random chinese company releasing their server/consumer grade RISC V CPUs, and if they succeed, then AMD and Intel are gonna follow through.

@@LudicInterface its just an example. Anyhow, we still have no idea how things may roll out in the future. And with big companies pouring big money for risc v such as qualcomm, huawei, etc. Risc v might get somewhere. And stop being so narrow-minded will you.

@@LudicInterface What failed 80's RISC ISA? I was pretty successful in the BBC Micro in the 80's, and ever since the 90's along with MIPS it became the staple in handheld computers(smartphones).

Hilarious...change playback to 1.25x and you'll see it's not aussie at all

its an artificial voice. the real person prob has an awful crackly teenage voice. a weird accent or lisp etc. so hence the majestic corporate AI voice.

Just buy the recommendation of Linus Tech Tips or someone else who'll do all the work ;P

It took me 12 months to choose components for my PC and I don't even play games :D

WRONG! You no buy PC, you pay Chinese Cloud! No embarras! Make China Great Again!

@Calamity Things are easier now though. Threadripper basically owns HEDT right now, EPYC made some huge strides, and the ryzen 5 3600 is outselling Intel's entire lineup.

@Calamity intel is fine only if you have no budget restrains and you want to buy the best possible gaming pc. In all other uses AMD provides better value or performance.

We're obligated to click on it...

me too :)

(Also your gaming PC might get RiscV(probably will be short lived)but it wont be in the CPU, maybe GPU or SSDs etc)

in terms of migration... actually we have this sort of problem every time windows release a new version of it. all your programs work wonderfully well on win xp, then win 7 comes along with very little supported softwares and your xp software would just right-out crashed on win 7 if the company didn't renew it and optimize it for win 7. so what did people do? they wait. win 7 didn't just receive mass adoption after it's released, it got popular after quite some time on consumer level. the same will go to RISC V cpu/gpu. after it's release, nobody gonna buy the thing. I mean, why would you want a GPU that won't work with your games? But if whatever company releasing RISC V GPU is persistent enough to push it's adoption by sponsoring games and heavy marketing for example, it might just get adopted slowly, but surely. remember RTX? nobody wants RTX by the time it got released because the RT core is the definition of useless tech at that time. but after a few RTX games launched, particularly Control, people start looking at the possibility RTX can give pretty seriously. Why? Because NVIDIA didn't just gave up on RTX and call it a day, they double down on their marketing and sponsored games. as a result, now we see RTX card slowly climbing up on steam hardware surveys. If RISC V can differentiate itself via features or performance or something, and didn't gave up on the first few months, we might see a real RISC V GPU mainstream in the future

In the edge-server-gaming scenario Coreteks provides the RISC-V chip only has to draw the rendered frame onto the monitor and relay the input to the edge-server. It doesn't have to compute anything else. The edge-server meanwhile could be x86 or RISC-V, whatever performs the best and most economically by then.

@@josuad6890 wot china dose stays in china

@@notoriousbig3k although that's mostly true, do note that it isn't always the case. For example, in south east asia, most things you can buy are made in china. Some chinese brands also goes global as you know like huawei, zte, anker, and a lot more sketchy brands out there like kingspec etc. It really depends to the company itself in the end, not whether it was made in china or not imo.

@Max Paine Except a mobile phone can run programs locally, and can install things locally. A thin client, by definition, cant do ANYTHING without the host server. My phone can run games and present media without the internet just as a full PC can.

@Nick obviously the guy doesn't know the meaning of "thin client". Just keep shifting the definition of "thin client" bit by bit then claim "mobile phones is a thin client."

@Max Paine Thin client is a feature phone that runs web app.

@@Nick-ue7iw No, by definition it can't perform only intended *primary* function standalone. Windows editions for the purpose (PoS/ThinPC) are still bloated as f.k and can still do pretty much same things that normal editions do.

@Max Paine LMFAO the only thing that my phone needs internet for is RU-vid, Facebook and a few apps. All productive apps don't require internet other than things saved to them but most everything has a copy on my phone.

ARM is RISC

Is ur profesor,zerocool?

The N64 and PS1 were RISC based systems.

The powerpc was risc ....the last powermac was g5 ... or POWER5 .. the old powermac was an IBM powerpc risc workstation with a Macintosh boot rom. It was a smart decision to switch to x86 but a mac hasn't been a mac since 2007. It would be nice to see macOS going back to its former glory using risc

He was correct. Everything is RISC now and that includes even the chips made by Intel and AMD.

*guaranteed

risc v is the instruction set. the whole point of this video is that everybody would be using the same standard.

@@veloce5491 Hmmm... What I got from it is that companies could use the default instruction set and add more for the use case they're building, that's why they could mitigate some security issue without having to wait for the company behind RISC-V to patch it. Is this assumption wrong?

@@GabrielDalposso I'm not too certain, but I think that's just for internal connectivity. Say somebody made a Risc V APU, then the GPU and CPU would communicate using the same instruction set. That will massively improve efficiency and latency.

@@jezchantler5331 Either way, you'd need a convention for CPU/GPU architecture, right?

@@GabrielDalposso im not an expert but i dont think that would cause problems because its still the same instruction set. its like comparing an older intel cpu with a newer one. internally they have differences but they can still run all the programs because they are the same x86 instruction set.

nvidia guy leather jacket looks so old fashion

Do you think companies like purism might adopt this for linux-based phones in the future? I am really excited for them, but I won't be able to spent 700€ on the librem 5. I hope they make multiple sized phones in the future, as a 5.7" phone is simply to big and nearly a tablet in my opinion.

I like and I use Linux. But The Cloud will never entice a George Orwell fan.

I have been using Linux exclusively for ~12 years, along with Windose for ~17 years. Never looked back really, switching to Linux solo was the best decision I ever made. Windose crashes and BSODs are a very distant memory to me. The same with the implicit need to upgrade my machines with every new OS version.

I think if the open source community takes advantage of this in the right way we might be able to avoid the bullshit that is edge/cloud computing.

@axl100 Things change quickly in Tech

@@Coreteks Don't worry, I still like your voice, lol

I have to write this down. A brilliant analogy for all aspects of life.

If RISC-V takes off x86 will die entirely. It's objectively too massive to keep up with future RISC chips. I'm guessing we'll see an x86 dynarec pop up if RISC-V gains majority market share. One day, you'll probably be able to emulate an x86 PC just like you would emulate an N64 or PlayStation. Until that happens, the old hardware will still be functional. There are still millions of working C64's in circulation to this day.

@@anon4820 Have you actually tried Emulation? Anything beyond the 16-bit console era is a huge hit-or-miss. RISC is indeed interesting, but x86 is here to stay.

Tyler Amick It’s a big if that it can easily displace x86 entirely without being able to easily run x86 code. It would be great if an open hardware based chip could be made to quickly convert x86 code into RISC-V code on an asic or FPGA. Personally I think companies like AMD are trying to make their product lines as flexible as possible with the switch to chiller based design, and having the ability to ship something like that or even have a single x86 chipper that complements the rest of the package would ease the transition. Software emulation is just too slow, especially if you need to run a program that needs any of today’s x86 hardware let alone a decade ago.

@@blackneos940 Yes, I have. Consoles are different though. All pre-gen8 consoles are based on specialized hardware. x86 PC's have remained almost totally software compatible with original 5150. If I wanted to, I could install MS-DOS 6.22 on my Ryzen rig, and as long as I'm using peripherals that DOS can work with, I can use MS-DOS just like someone would've in 1994. Because all PC compatible machines follow a common basic architecture, they are fairly trivial to emulate. As a matter of fact, we've been doing it for quite a while now. QEMU got a 1.0 release more than 7 years ago. It's not too bad performance-wise, either. I installed Windows 7 on a Galaxy S4 (w/ QEMU) a few years ago, and the performance was more than acceptable. Everyone thought the Pentium 4 was super fast 20 years ago. Now it is basically a space heater that can run Windows XP. Our current chips *will* look like that by the time we see an entirely new ISA take majority hold of the market, which is something that will happen eventually.

@@anon4820 Yes, but Emulation will almost always pale in comparison to the original. I'm not knocking RISC. But people have said that RISC would take over back in the 90's. Yet x86, and especially x86_64, are still going strong, at least until somewhere in the 10,000's era.