Gordon Ryan vs Pat Downey Wrestling Match 2020 

He wrestles

@@vortexpug he flops

Faked injury to avoid getting worn out in the bjj. Good for him but that's a rat move

@@LordClappy I mean the match did go on for like 17m... 10 more mins than a regular match and he did look very gassed.

@@LordClappyclearly you’ve never had a power half torqued on you

Wrestler wrecked him

@@Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion watch the bjj match made the wreslter tap to a half nelson

@@evanharral6001 so wrestlers are better at wrestling than BJJ guys and BJJ guys are better at BJJ?

@@luisalberto1456 usually how that goes

Evan Harral after 20 mins lol

Years and years, layers and layers of experience, some good days and some bad days.. it's amazing how some mma fighters such as Khabib gsp j Jones valentina can reach high level cross disciplines

It's funny when people try to compare MMA, Boxing, GI, NoGi, Wrestling.... etc.... they are all different sports. Like trying to argue that Lebron would beat Federer at tennis because they both have a ball.

@@Jeremy_Walker I agree. And no offense intended to the op, but I wouldn't even say that they're "equally as important." Important relative to what? Is basketball equally as important as tennis? What does that mean? Of course, we know what people mean. People mean "In a fight." But that's kinda missing the point. Just about any athlete (especially combat sports athlete) is going to be able to defend themselves "in a fight." That doesn't mean that they're all "equally" good at that, its kind of impossible to say what is better. Because by the time you start putting controls and artificial constraints on "the fight" such that you can actually "measure" the effectiveness of the "discipline," then what you have is just some variant of MMA. When it comes down to it, people just want to belong to their "camp" and they want to promote their "camp." Sometimes that means you got to convince people that your camp is better than the other camps so that they join you instead of the others. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I just think the problem is the logic in which it is done. I'm not saying self defense is pointless to think about, but if you're doing this for self defense, and you're not constantly going everywhere scanning your surroundings, putting your back to the wall, living like someone who has ptsd, etc, etc, then you're doing this for a reason OTHER than self defense. And that's ok, maybe you just "like it," and find it "fun." Is that such a bad thing?

‘’this just shows you how different these two sports are’’’ Seriously, did we really need this match to understand stand that? Lmao it’s like, people haven’t been paying attention even after them partaking in these kinds of discussions lol

Both are important but BJJ is more important.

@@MikeyMinimo I think if anything wrestling is more important to be a dominant fighter. Teach a wrestler some basic BJJ submissions and defence and you’ve got a potentially great fighter. However if you teach a BJJ player some basic wrestling takedowns and control they’ll still not be as good. This is due to wrestling taking more time for people to get efficient at, because of how exhausting it is + the power and speed needed to do it, and basic BJJ is not overly complex to learn or as physically draining.

Eh, ragdolling in such a specific ruleset as freestyle wrestling isn’t a huge accomplishment, what happened after like you said with the power half is what I consider much more real life. Pat couldn’t take Gordon down in a ruleset where Gordon can attack.

@@etello2221 hella funny cuz i was looking for this fight earlier after the jiu jitsu match popped up on my feed today

he faked the injury so he could be fresh for the wrestling

My favorite comment from that video was "Get up prince of Troy! I won't let a power half nelson take my glory."

@@etello2221 A power half is more real realistic than a feet to back/ feet to stomach takedown🤨...I’d rather not get slammed/grounded and pounded on the concrete compared to getting hit with a power half that was gained from the bottom scrabbling around(Gordon also obtained the position to use the power Half by sitting the ground in what way is sitting on the ground in real life more effective to slamming someone) IDK that’s just me when u fight do you initially plan on being taken down so viciously to be thinking a power half and grappling on the ground Is the better over all position in a real life fight?? I’ve seen so many Bjj guys get stomped on, Thinking the guy was gonna play slap ass with him on the ground 😂😂. If I see someone lay down in the middle of a fight. I don’t think they’re better off man

Happens to the best of us

True

Excuse my ignorance since Im a boxer and soley practice striking arts, what bad habits you have to be rid of? I like to have a awareness of other styles methods so I can appreciate the hardships they have to endure.

@@hidan407 it would be a lot to explain over a text response but I would look into some videos and respects for yourself. Also get some no gi BJJ in your training as well, wrestling, grappling, etc

*research not respects

Yes man . Graplling and wrestling are so different because have different point of focus

Seriously, who would have thought that the wrestler is better at wrestling than grappler who just grapples?

@@steverogers7601 agreed, but I think of grappling as a broad term that includes wrestling, judo, Jiu Jitsu, etc.

@@FR-ty5vn as you should

@@steverogers7601 Ossss

he didn't take it like a man, he went on instagram to make excuses and claim a moral victory

@@hasanc1526 the guy quit the bjj match. Gordon didn’t quit and fake an injury

@@tomjones2056 yeah he quit because their original argument wasn't about bjj. Gordon claimed he could wrestle with any wrestler so they setup this tournament where they had one bjj match and one wrestling match. Downey couldn't care less about the bjj match because he only did so that Gordon would agree to wrestle him

@Choco yep you yourself said that it wasn't even a submission, he quit because he didn't care about a submission grappling match. The original feud was that Gordon said he can wrestle with actual wrestlers and the only way gordon would agree to a wrestling match was if they had a jits match aswell. So Downey didn't care about the jits match, he was just there to prove his point that gordon can't hang with wrestlers. Also he got suplexed on his head lol I don't know what you're talking about

@Choco glad you can't deal with facts my guy, it would be good to agree on the part where your boy said he could wrestle any wrestler and got beaten in 20 seconds and how he got suplexed on his head

lol

mocco ftw

Never seen middle schoolers or high schoolers wrestle? lmao

@@izraelavila769 You obviously have no idea who the ref is

Thank you.

Yeah except in one sport you learn 50 ways to murder your opponent and the other you wear spandex and try to throw him to the ground and ride him.

@@CarnifexGaming *control

@@CarnifexGaming Except the one sport does better when transitioning into MMA because most UFC champions were former wrestlers.

@@wrestlingjudoms1302 yeah because guess what, if someone can hammer fist and elbow you in the face laying on the ground in half guard doesn’t work that well. Weird right??

pat is a good wrestler, gordon is the arguably the best grappler in the world/maybe greatest of all time, yet pat survived 10 minutes in gordon's sport, and gordon's survived barely 2 minutes in wrestling, I bet gordon would not be able to submit a guy like sadulaev ...

@@ybench5871 This is silly. The matches have different rules determining the ending. You might as well say something like "Downey lasted 10 minutes against Gordon in his sport, but it only took him two seconds to beat him at rock paper scissors!"

@@ybench5871 not even the same rule sets. The BJJ match had less rules and one individual giving up vs what is just a pushing match. Give me a break

​@@ITRIEDELLol you should challenge a wrestler and see how much of a pushing match it is 🤣. BJJ specialists are the worst mma fighters while those with a wrestling background compete at the highest levels of the sport in short order.

Pretty much

Yeah, IMO wrestling rule set is boring. The no points, no time limit ruleset was way better and fun to watch. Winning by putting somebody out of bounds.. to me is boring. And him tapping to that was a cheap way out because he knew he was fucked

Sometimes wrestling matches are a true stalemate so that is why they have the pushout rule. Also aggressive failed takedown attempts were the opponent is pushed out is also rewarded with a pushout. Its just the rule set made for the sport..

@@koalaofdeath2045 If you think it's boring, that's probably cuz Gordon basically gave no resistance to Downey. Downey could defend himself in grappling and took Gordon's back multiple times. Lasting 40 seconds in a match after claiming to be a D1-level wrestler is pathetic.

@@koalaofdeath2045 the BJJ portion took 15 minutes with literally no action until near the end, and the wrestling portion is boring?

@@joekrapf8825 Gordon could have pulled to his legs and got the tap almost instantaneously. That match was just to prove that Pat couldn’t take him down in a more realistic rule set.

Lil judo as well learn timing in the sweeps

Saying wrestlers are strong is like saying Track Athletes are fast 😂

Well actually you already have a super grappler. He's called Gordon Ryan

Combine the 2 and you have Khabib

@slamdunk 1981 true but judo there is so much emphasis on sweeps it crazy

@Choco Another Ryan fluffer, white knighting for his lord prince,... how original.

@Choco Sorry, thought you were another, “Gordon Ryan is the King Kong of the fight world” apologists. It’s intolerably delusional. I have nothing but respect for his accomplishments in BJJ. He’s on his way to being the GOAT in that world. I can’t fault him too aggressively for overstepping with the boldness of his claims. It’s easy to forget that he’s only 25 years old. He hasn’t yet gained the wisdom that comes with time.

@Choco Downey is an elite wrestler, but he’s a clown.

He faked it so he could save energy for the wrestling

Yeah cause if pat downey had less energy this result would be different lol.

Well said

Yup

Wrestler would still win. Most wrestlers do Greco, especially high level. Only way BJJ wins is if we allow full subs.

Or make it a catch wrestling match. Where it either pin or submission for victory.

Bruh may as well add striking and just make it MMA ahah. @@tichtran8792

Probably won't be much different

You're clueless. It was no time limit so Ryan purposefully prolonged it. It only finished because Downey got tired and pussied out without even being submitted. Ryan could have submitted him quickly but he didn't want to.

@@adamtennant4936 yeah and the dude just disengaged. Almost anyone can survive by just running around the ring and avoiding any meaningful contact. Case in point, Schaub and Cyborg.

Gordon and he did jujitsu first and he tapped before gordon got to the submission so he had more energy for the wrestling, pit against eachother allowing both jujitsu and wrestling I say gordon wins, but still cool to see the diff in sports

Exactly

it took gordon almost 20 minutes to get his victory..... downey took 60 seconds

@@kingtom8602 so? Bottom line is he finished him

​@@ChristheCEO1 and bottom line downey finished ryan much faster

@Choco he finished the match, they had to stop it by rule because it was so 1 sided.

Amen. He’s the apex predator in BJJ, but that’s where it ends. He’s one-dimensional as a martial artist

Did he ever say he was a top wrestler?

BJJ only fails hard in MMA bro. Basic reasoning: you need to go to the ground to have a *chance*, but you won't take a wrestler to the ground so easy, all the while dealing with strikes. And be ready to receive a hail of ferocious punches if you do something dumb like pull guard.

Oh, Gordan would destroy a wrestler in MMA. Wrestlers are getting better, but still can't punch well. I see Ryan getting rocked by the strikers with takedown defense. Till he shows me he can beat them he's not a top fighter.@@utarian7

This has got to be the dumbest thing ive ever read.

The rolling is how Downey was scoring points..

@@keithsutton8708 ya I know lol but “points”mean nothing in a fight ...

@@bobsmith8124 neither of them were fighting...?

"don't ever say you can beat Pat Downey at wrestling"

@@Alex-xi3bw thanks I had the same question.

@@Alex-xi3bw I was wondering what he said haha he referred to himself in the 1st person lol Also why didn't he try these take downs in the first match?

@@steen5599 for sure....points play

lmao,he tapped to a power half

Beat him at what?

is that what he said at the end? i couldn't hear it.

Yeah, take him down a notch!

Have you seen the match between him and Bo? Gordon got suplex'd in that match.

also no legit subs lmao,wrestling’s rule set is ass too. only “martial art” that promotes turning your back to the opponent

Ya you have a magical line and a nonsense scoring system. If you roll the guy don’t improve position at all and just burn a bunch of energy you score. For reasons of cours

@@tomjones2056 you ain’t gonna win this argument when most people agree that wresting has nonsense for a rule set,and half the shit you mentioned isn’t even prominent in higher levels of bjj competition

@@nignog1737 it shouldn't even be an argument. Both are respected disciplines in their own way.

That Quintet match was under sub only grappling rules, this match vs Downey was with wrestling rules that are a lot more different than sub only grappling, and also Barnett's record in grappling is not very good, yes he defeated Dean Lister and one Gracie called Ryron, sounds cool but that is not gonna repair his 5 defeats under bigger names like Ricardo Almeida or Mark Kerr (actually i would like to see a Gordon Ryan vs Kerr in his prime match, however that is only a dreamatch)

You do know Pat tapped out in their other match just before this with no points and no time limit even though he wasn't even in a submission? 🤣

@@koalaofdeath2045 I know. I watched it. But Josh Barnett is 6'4" and 250lbs with catch wrestling training under Eric Paulson and Billy Robinson. Pat Downey doesn't have that pedigree.

@@thejookking Nobody thinks Barnett has a chance against Gordon. Barnett is a good grappler but he's not on the level of the top 0.1 percent of elites like Gordon Ryan. Barnett and Gordon are similar in size. Barnett is just a bit bigger but nothing significant. Barnett is focused on MMA and Gordon is pure jiu jitsu. Barnett came from catch wrestling which is a bit different than no gi jiu jitsu which is what Gordon only does.

@@bane3991 Uhhhhhh.... No! Josh Barnett has at least 30lbs on Gordon Ryan. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JRzXLrkFWig.html Josh Barnett submitted Dean Lister. I thought that Josh had a chance against Gordon Ryan.

Hopefully not get your head pile drived into the concrete

He didn’t. It’s called getting the rub

Money

I don't think he did think he could. He knows he's never wrestled competitively. It was just for fun and to entertain. He knows how much training and time it takes to get great. He's done that with jiu jitsu.

Obviously you didn't watch the other match which was no points, no time limit and Pat tapped out without even getting submitted lmfao. Pretty sure these two matches only happened because Gordon agreed to also do a wrestling match

@@koalaofdeath2045 But Gordon needed like 15 minutes to submit him...

Big if, why you think he chooses to sweep then submit, I can't see anyone for a long time taking his back like Leandro did; his guard is too good. If they did his back system is so good he will escape I am fairly sure, he is too proficient on the back to not have it all reversed.

Because it's the wrestling rule set. Watch their sub only match right before this where Pat taps out early without even being in a submission

Not if u can’t do anything once there lol

It happened on the BJJ match. Pat even tapped without being submitted to save energy for the wrestling match 😂 They wrecked each other in their respective sport.

Pat was gassed out within 5 minutes of their match. He tapped when he wasn't even being choked.

@@paulares292 that monster power half was crazy

Stfu casual

Off cycle💉

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