Gorgeous Airplane Saleswoman on "What's My Line?" 

Oh my gosh, I am so sorry! My condolences. She seems like a wonderful person. Do you know if she made any other TV appearances, she looks so familiar? Regardless she was very beautiful and from what I can tell was a very self-sufficient woman. You must be very proud to have someone like that in your family.

@105125395685112958057 Thank you for your thoughts. She did not like to talk about her glory days. I always knew she was a model, but when asked about those times, she would slyfully steer the conversation in another direction and get the focus back on you. The website I had posted previously is defunct so deleted. Peace!

How Cool, May she R.I.P.

She was a lovely lady. RIP.

+Don Paul Jankas She was as classy as they come.

EnoVarma She was

I see what you did there... very clever ;-)

Nice play on words!

plain not plane Ignorance

@@martinwoyzeck2634 Then you wouldnt have the pun!

There seems to be a general attitude now of resignation; "Society is tired of lying. Let's skip the pretense and just be as crass and vulgar in public as we are in private." This has been nothing but a cop-out. The sort of classy behavior on display here is what we as a society hoped to _aspire_ to if we wanted to be treated the same way. IOW it was the least we used to expect, was a little class, manners, deference, and humility. Too much work for the average citizen today, apparently. "Let's take the lazy way out. I'd rather have the attention than respect." Selling out requires nothing of us but surrendering our self-respect. I'd prefer to aspire to something better, frankly.

@@petermackay1929 Well there's no shortage of trolls out there who think it's good sport to be insulting and tasteless. They're easy to pick out and easy to ignore. But there are others who I would never expect to have sold out their self-respect to the degree that they have, especially where it concerns politics. I don't think anybody is under the impression that our institutions are all sweetness and on the up-and-up; but it's up to US to fix that and if we're going to be no better than the people we sent to Washington or the State House to run things we should expect what we've been getting for the past 20 years.

"Everyone was so classy and respectful" Several wolf whistlers in the audience

@@donalobrien9422 Yes there were but the women back then accepted that it came with the territory and in Ms. Frankel's case, her character allowed for taking those whistles as a compliment. Even Bennett Cerf's "out front" statements to her she humbly appreciated. She knew she was pretty but carried herself with such grace and poise that to me, it personified the word "class." Juxtapose Ms. Frankel's demeanor with that of today's women (of the angry and entitled persuasion) who see a potential grievance or offense in nearly any innocent interaction with a male, and is ready to pounce at the slightest suggestion of appreciation for their looks, all the while knowing in their own eyes that they are attractive (often even when they're not). Makes one perceive the need for writing a contractual agreement before even uttering "hello" in a woman's direction. THAT is the true difference here and in the grand scheme of things 1967 wasn't so long ago that at least in public or an intimate gathering both men and women displayed the sort of class and deference on display here -- because both sexes and especially women knew how to handle themselves in these situations, and by and large, had the maturity to behave accordingly. There is no such self-discipline today and that comes from a general lack of respect for others while expecting or even demanding respect from those same people; and it's no accident that sexual harassment and sexual assaults have proliferated in this environment. There's a world of difference between _pride_ and _self-respect,_ and this vid pleasantly demonstrates that difference.

and no tattoos

XMLarry, lol! I loved that, too. As a wife, she played it beautifully cool.

I am so glad I missed seeing Jayne at the beginning. Once she made her comment toward Steve and I realized that was Jayne Meadows I promptly lost it.

XMLarry Would have been interesting to be a fly on their wall that night . . .

@@slimdudeDJC You've gotta remember that women in that era, especially those categorized as 'beautiful' &/or 'gorgeous', were held up as sexual 'objects' in the morès of that time. Men & women weren't as UPTIGHT then, when that type of remark was made to point out one's beauty &/or handsomeness...!

Steve and Jayne were two very smart and quick-witted people. Oh, and classy too.

Are you referring to the airplane saleswoman or Jane Meadows? That hairstyle by Meadows seems more like from the 1960s to 80s. Did she time travel back to the 50s?

The real pretty is her behavior and the behavior of others around her.

Yes she attractive. It's her lovely nature that shines really. Has noone notuced Steves wife? She is the beautiful one. And she's blonde

@@bighands69 you are spot on

I don’t understand your point. Women compliment women on a much more frequent basis than men compliment women.

I remember recently seeing a lady enter a room and say "oh don't stand up please" ... as none of the men were....

Absolutely

@@Chahlie I always stand up for women and yet find it strange that other men do not. The reason why many young men do not do it is due to the fact they find it strange.

@@bighands69 well I think you should always stand up when you meet someone. Men or woman

Why would anyone stand up when someone enters a room? You should, however, stand up when you meet or greet someone, whether it be man or woman.

Quite unlike The Lady Gang.

...you’ve hit on (and illuminated)the key point of nearly allll things ‘then’vs.’now’...”elevating experiences”...:)

eoselan you need to get out more often

Including the wolf whistles?

THEN ALONG CAME DIVERSITY.

She certainly had the same first name!

The wolf whistles were very classy.

She had to have, because looking at her website photo taken some 50 years later she was just as radiant and gorgeous in 2013 as she was in 1964.

They have the same dress today.

and her handwriting was impeccable....

Having been directed to her website from a few years back before she passed away, it was readily apparent that grace and poise came natural to this lovely person, and that natural beauty remained all her life. She was just as stunning in her 70s as she was some 58 years ago, with a spirit and personality to match. The Good Lord produced an example we should all hope to aspire to.

God given..... not “god” given....

@@scarsdale22 If I was referring to a particular god, then yes. I"m not. Notice how not capitalizing the word in the previous sentence is considered correct?

Very true. Her deportment and reserve are her beauty. She's not so much remarkably stunning as that she has no fault to her features.

I would have

That and l don't even know how to fly 🤔

Why even " Sky King " fell for aviation with his Cessna 310 named the " Songbird " Also flew with his niece Penny. Those were great aviation days, I always looked upward when I heard a plane and years later bought and flew my own Cessna. LOL

@@richardsmith4187 'PENNY'!!! Omg, I'm 74-years old, and that name just came "flying" back. God bless you.

@@tiffsaver Those were really great days in the 50's LOL I loved Saturday tv as they always had great programs. Sky King ( Kirby Grant ) and Penny ( Gloria Winters ) were always solving crime. Glad the post brought back some good memories !

I always liked Steve Allen

I used to watch steve allen on his show in 1961 always thought he was great He was married to jane meadows

His wife's reply was just as funny !

He was such a wonderful guy -- supremely intelligent, quick wit, multi-talented; and his quick comeback was just another example. He and Jane Meadows had a true romance and it's easy to see that they both were comfortable in their own skin, knew each other better than they knew themselves, and were the perfect combination of character, wit, and intelligence.

The man was a nut. Hilarious...

CorvusOfMellori Steve Allen was a million years ahead of his time as you probably know or guessed. He was hip before anyone was. He was smart ,quick, and erudite without being even a tiny bit snobby.He was without doubt a one off.

+Spider Bug I met him once in about 1970 something .I was about 14 or so and my Uncle worked for NBC at 30 Rock.Steve Allen was doing something there and my Dad and I got an introduction to him from my uncle who knew him.He WASa very nice man.What I remember most is that he was , or seemed totally genuine and not like what I imagined a show business person would be like.He was just a regular guy with lots of comic and musical talent .

+CorvusOfMellori Yes, and a perfect example of the civilized wit that characterized the people on this show, and is so sadly lacking in today's crass pop culture.

I met him once, too--he could just sit down at a piano & compose music right on-the-spot.

it's like we saw the same video!!!!

You better believe it. Her grace, poise, and elegance wasn't what I'd call commonplace, but that was certainly the standard of behavior we were brought up to exhibit in that era. At some point in the last 50-some years our society decided that it was tired of living up to that standard -- too much work, I guess -- and replaced it with a standard of no standards. So it shouldn't be surprising that we grow more crass and hateful by the day. I get that social norms are bound to evolve from one generation to the next, but you'd think we'd see _improvement_ and not regression. I think that's why we're inclined to pine for "the good old days," even though it's natural to wax nostalgic about a bygone period in our lives when we thought everything was so much better. Chances are it wasn't -- but the standard Ms. Frankel set for us ought to be timeless and aspirational always and everywhere.

Only if people actually had the money (or credit) for them.

Ginny Lorenz, lovely manners, indeed. I love the beautiful etiquette of the 1950s and the fact that this program retained that charm even into the next decade.

Ginny Lorenz i

Yes, as long as you forget about segregation, no black folks on TV and glass ceilings for the ladies, it was peachy.

TooLooze, Blacks did, indeed, appear on TV during that era, though not nearly as much as did Whites. But why would you expect them to have done so? They were definitely the minority group at that time, so why would a tiny percentage of the population have as much airtime as do reps of the majority? Secondly, a quick perusal of on-line lists confirms the presence of many Blacks on WML, many of whom appeared during the elegant era of which we speak: Belafonte, Sammy Davis Jr., Diahann Carroll, Louis Armstrong, Chubby Checker, Lena Horne, Nat King Cole--to name a few. And a list I saw contains also Nipsey Russell, Diana Sands, Johnny Mathis, Nancy Wilson, Count Basie, Pearl Bailey, Muhammad Ali, Ruby Dee, Marian Anderson, Leslie Uggams, and others. That certainly doesn't sound like "no Blacks on TV" to me. Stop buying the hype that has convinced you that absolutely everything about America's past--about your ancestors--was backward and racist.

TooLooze, and lastly, as for that glass ceiling, I would dare say that few men in America excelled as much as did Dorothy Kilgallen and Arlene Francis. And some of the guests! I think of Norma Walker, mayor of Aurora, Colorado, as one who acheived a position the average man in the 1950s and today would never achieve. Was there a men's club? Certainly. Why shouldn't there be? The country was founded by men! And men--real men--assume leadership roles over women (even, amusingly, when some are not properly equipped for the task, and even if the woman in a situation is intellectually superior). I think God designed men that way. And in their imperfection, this natural dominant personality has manifested itself as domineering--not a good thing, but not a surprising thing, either.

"Adults behaving like adults." Interesting concept, ain't it? On one level it has been a curse, growing up in the 60s with these examples on TV and in the movies, and my own parents who understood what it meant to be poised, classy, respectful, and elegant yet down-to-earth -- and having to watch this steady deterioration of character, class, decorum, and exemplary behavior over the last 50-some-odd years. Not sure who to hold responsible, other than to say the three generations that have come up hence have not done especially well by our children, collectively. Then again, every generation looks at their childhoods and any history before theirs as being sorta bourgeois, and out of a desire to be hip, they press the limits of decorum and polite society. I do feel like I was born 40 years too late; but then again, if I were, I'd be dead now. So there's that....

None of those 'reality' shows that abound today.

I was just thinking 'poise' and people that know how to answer "how do you do". It can't really be that hard can it?

That pretty much sums it up. The longer TV is around the more it plays to the lowest common denominator. After all, it now has the internet to compete with. A great segue to a Drano commercial.

Colin, you've certainly got that right....and it's such a shame.....

Society can return to civility if it willed itself to take the high road. Manners, politeness, etc. never really left me even when I was betrayed by friends and family.

What a Beautiful woman !

Add to that her lovely voice, refined, but never pretentious speech and manners...I'll stop here, although I've only just begun...

Very pretty and classy

AND the hair and dress were so classic they could've been worn in any era since.

I liked how the men dressed in a tux and bowtie..

The intellect, class and brain power of the panel is more that some countries. Yes, manners... that's the way our parents taught us..... I seldom see it anymore.

Therese Ember, your comments about Steve Allen are so true. He was incredibly funny and was perfect for that era of TV where there was practically no editing. His flubs and crack-ups are almost as legendary as his humor. He was at his best when he got the giggles at his own lines and better yet at his mistakes. Those giggles were infectious; although I was just a boy at the time, I can imagine that a large part of America got tears in their eyes from laughing so hard just following him. Truly, a great contributor to comedy and the world around him.

And Cerf was the opposite

Bennett Cerf was very personable- he just had a dry sense of humor.

This was a benchmark for my childhood. I liked it then BECAUSE it was intelligent, witty, and superbly classy.

On tv at least. Behind the scenes was a very different story.

@@stupidas9466 - No doubt true, but that's almost more the point. Now, people don't even behave with an audience watching. In fact, they film themselves doing reprehensible things and post it online for the world to see.

If the dingbats on the Survivor island can do it...

And stopped their pretend lying victim hood crapola.,..while viciously and hatefully spewing from the other side of their big yap and monstrously accusing others they disagree with wacko falsehoods.

@@Timurlane100 Back then they didn't even had the means to film themselves, that doesn't mean they wouldn't do shameful things if they could, stop this fantasy about the past, back then, way more shameful things were happening than teenagers being weird on the internet.

Nor, sadly, are there many people in the public eye with that kind class...

@@loge10 I was about to say, I'm only sad because these fine people made their mark on society, and now that they _are_ gone their class and deportment has been paved over by crassness and gratuitously boorish behavior. Makes me grateful for these simple videos from a bygone era.

Stupid

You mean you don't celebrate morbid obesity and track pants?

This lady fills a sheath dress much nicer than A. Hepburn or Jackie K. Her figure is perfect for this dress.

Growing up she was one of my favorites....thought she was lovely.

Indeed she was, smoking ruined her looks though over time. You can even see some of the effects in this video

@EL GRECO 777 no that was her sister Audrey Meadow's.

@@mike856ms ... who almost didn't get the gig, because she was too pretty!

I clicked on the video because I thought she was Elizabeth Montgomery in the thumbnail.

No, we all share that feeling.

This should be an invaluable public record of who and what "gentlemen" and "ladies" _were_ at one point, and could stand to be required viewing for present and succeeding generations of young people -- and even older ones, frankly. We used to _aspire_ to this caliber of behavior, and now we denigrate it in favor of moral relativity. That's the sign of a society which doesn't want to be held accountable for their behavior and an absence of self-discipline.

Class! That's the word, back then, people had respect for each other as well! Sadly that's all gone now its all about sex!

There wasn't a single day when she looked less than perfect.

Yes! It did much to accentuate her own beauty.

Now it is all about cheap laughs and politics.

Younger people still seen parts of the good old days but only a fading memory of it.

1965 hart- celler act

Liberal Democrats got elected.

The Malignant Mango awakened his mouth-breathing MAGAts and made it “ok” to be crass, vulgar, angry and proudly misinformed.

JFK's assassination was the beginning of the end...

1968..

I did 2 mths ago. That's why I now watch this brilliant show

Rony sadfully they are gone

@@SladesVWBeetle Not me and my wife we live a 1950s life apart from the web. our tv car clothes everything.

Clifftonic Studios Wow that’s outstanding!!!!

Vintage Car Yesterday thanks

Roman City I agree

Jayne Meadows was also beautiful. That may have helped Steve stay classy.

@@HariSeldon913 She also had a marvelous sense of humor; wasn't naïve about her man (men are men everywhere) but at the same time didn't feel threatened at all by beautiful women who I'm sure flocked around Steve Allen on a regular basis -- because she was confident, comfortable in her own skin, and I can vouch for the fact that Steve and Jayne were madly in love all their married life.

Steve Allen was an amazingly classy and brilliant person--comedian, host, musician, composer. His Sunday evening show with its regular cast was one of my all time favorites.

pete49327 Sexual reference was there it was just done in a round about way......Just listen to the panel's questions and laughter... Maybe not on this episodes but on others...It was done in a way children wouldn't catch on.......Censorship was enforced.......I watched this program as a child.....Sex or Sexual references have always been around just not right in your face......like now.........Trump for example !

Family feud needs to clean up its act!

Carol V family feud never had decent ratings after Richard Dawson left, until they dirtied it up. John O’Hurley was a class act, and a good host, but he didn’t go out of his way to get laughs.

People in the audience whistled at her and the first comment was about her looks. Yeah, it was a real "golden age"

Sex is so boring, especially when you keep talking about it over and over and over again. Shows like this demonstrate that you don't need sex (certainly not explicitly) in order to be very, very interesting.

Almost like watching Betty Page, hard to stop watching

Regina Fallangie No, she wasn’t. Selling planes using her good looks: nothing special. Being a model: nothing that can be called „ahead of her time“ Flying a plane as an amateur: in the US not uncommon at that time.

tigergreg8

tigergreg8 hi

Skokie is my home town. What a small world!

tigergreg8 Thanks for the follow up. Beautiful lady. Sounds like she had a rich, full life.

tigergreg8 That’s so sad, she sold Cesssnas.

And not as a catcall but as an exclamation. And Ms. Frankel took no offense, just took it in and was no doubt flattered. Far cry from today's grievance culture wherein anything is perceived as a personal slight worthy of litigation or legislation.

@@briane173 Well said...

yanknoz I agree. Society is nothing like that now😔

@@angelicam.6876 Where do you think it all went wrong?

@@paddycooper2267 Our days.

@@yanknoz9710 Either your parents fault, or yours.

@@paddycooper2267 when you don't know the difference between "our" and "are," our days are numbered.

Mainly she just said yes to questions 😆

America, number one! 🐶🐶

Don't forget the pajama-clad shoppers at Walmart.

Not really sunk, but the women of the USA have dressed themselves down for comfort and to make a "statement!" They are still gorgeous and delightful and fun to be around! I love 'em!

If you say that about women I can only imagine what you will say about men nowadays.

Agree

She was of the Jackie Kennedy type, in class and presentation.

And it hasn't gotten any better, John. RIP....

It is not censorship per se....it is the cultural norm that there is one way to behave in public and another in private. Nowadays, we take our private ways into public places with the result that manners go out the window and everyone says 'f' all the time and thinks that is a sign of freedom. To which I can only say, fk that.

11. I find that impressive

Read the other comments and you'll know

web.archive.org/web/20141217225038/www.jackiedreamwalker.com/new/

Chicago has always had beautiful women! That's where I met my wife of 50 years!

Wow, how did you meet her, if you don't mind me asking...

@@johndodge8999 Just as gorgeous at 75 as she was at 28. The genes in that family must've been extraordinary -- not to mention her rearing in preparation for adulthood.

Groucho was as quick-witted as they get, but there was something about his personality that rubbed me the wrong way. Steve Allen OTOH was _brilliant_ -- quick wit, a brilliant mind, multi-talented, and above all, humble.

Love Steve Allen, period. Such a quick wit, so supremely intelligent, and just an overall stellar human being.

So many on-air similarities between Steve Allen and Johnny Carson.

Even by today's standards, $419 (which is what $50 back then is worth now) is pretty paltry. _WML_ wasn't known for its big payouts; but most people watched to listen to the panelists try to figure out some pretty oddball occupations. I think for _all_ of the participants money wasn't the primary motivation.

The program was not at all about flash or cash. Even back then, the prize money was considered modest and simply a token gesture. Over the decades, game shows escalated the glitz and hype factor to the ridiculous levels they are today.

Thank you for going out of your way to find this obit online and posting it. She was truly an awesome individual. She is missed by our family.

Simon Barsinister Were you involved with this TV program?

+Don Paul Jankas +Don Paul Jankas Wow she was stunning here Was Frankel her married name?

+Don Paul Jankas Sorry that was a silly question I should hve paid attention

How did she die?

I'm guessing the men did, too!! Especially Bennett Cerf!

dbduke88 And the men all looked away when beautiful women exited.... Dear lord. 🙄

Actually he said in the end that she was formerly a model

wholeNwon, still, even I have to yearn for the goodness of the past--especially the determination of African descendants in this country to conduct themselves with dignity in public.

You DO stand when a lady leaves the room in certain situations

Coz Steve Allen was a gentleman, period. Standard fare in the early 60s. We can all be held guilty of this particular bias, but I pine for those days again. Back when I couldn't wait to be an adult because this was how adults carried themselves in everyday life. What a sorry state we've achieved just in my lifetime.

They were...

There was a fundamental decency, but even then it was starting to slip away.

It used to be the least we expected from our fellow countrymen, at what in hindsight would've been the zenith of American culture. We are now in a constant search for the lowest common denominator, and living up to it.