I tend to value alcohol stoves less on speed and more on how stingy they are with the fuel while accomplishing the same boil. Would love to see some tests and comparisons. Definitely cool looking and could send me on another stovaholic binge.
👍 agreed. Efficiency and less speed to boil water works for me. The advantage of my Whitebox, Trangia and a myriad of 'home grown' Alcohol Burners is that the two fore-mentioned are paid for (long time back) and the latter 'free' mostly from salvaged / repurposed 'stuff'.
This is the comment I came to make. I'd like to know how many times I'm going to have to refill this stove during a cook. Maybe pick a typical trail meal that is a little more complicated than boiling water and rehydrating and compare different stoves and how quickly they burn through the fuel. All other conditions being equal. It's good to know this info if you are into longer hikes than just a day hike or an overnighter so you can plan accordingly.
Yeah, second this idea for sure! I'm currently guestimating 13ml per boil with my Turbo Gnome, but I really would like to compare this with other stoves. Overall the size and weight are hard to beat, but this one boiled at least 2mins faster than mine...so would love to see some fuel usage comparisons! (love your channel btw!)
Yep, agreed. I don't care how long my Trangia takes, it does the job. Would like to know if a new stove is more/less efficient than that baseline. FYI, I'm not claiming that the Trangia is the be-all, I am just very familiar with it.😊
After backpacking for 40+ years starting with white gas then butane then alcohol stoves and wood gasified stove I love the simplicity, reliability and quiet of the alcohol stoves and wood burning stoves. When I am backpacking it’s about getting back into nature and resetting. It’s not about hearing a blast furnace in the background. Love these informative videos and truly appreciate the time and work you put into doing these videos. All the best.
As someone getting into it for the experience, not the miles or bragging rights, I agree. Alcohol and twig stove is the way to go. I wish firebans didn’t apply to some stoves… though no one can know if I’m thick in the woods and my wood gasifier makes zero smoke 😂
I have to admit there is nothing like waking up in deep snow to hear the roar on my SVEA, alcohol is great for the lone backpacker but at the top of a mountain I prefer the pressure stoves to make my cuppa....It sort of is a tradition for me but I do use the lightweight pop stoves, just a pity this one didn't go straight to Titanium.
If all you consider "cooking" is boiling water fast then this is a great stove. I consider cooking preparing a meal from real ingredients. You know, stuff that can burn in a pot. So power isn't the main thing I'm looking for but regulation capability. You can find this on a good old Trangia (or clone) with a regulator ring.
True, me personally I just carry two. One with less burners for slow cooking, and other with more for fast boiling. Costs and weights next to nothing, and I have a backup if for whatever reason I break or lose one of them.
Personally, I find use a heat exchanger pot really helps with alcohol stoves, since they have such low baseline output it's really matters capturing every single last bit of heat
This is a very important point -- but delivering heat to the cook pot is only half of the requirement. Keeping it there is just as important. So, a lidded pot addresses the top surface, but what about the sides? That's what a robust windscreen like the Caldera Cone can achieve. It allows effective combustion and focusing of heat while also mitigating convective and radiated losses. And there's even videos out there showing DIY fabrication from aluminum flashing, if you prefer or need to do it that way. Also, I notice many are properly concerned about fuel consumption. Given any stove that burns fuel effectively at any level, most of the heat produced will be delivered with equal effect by such a windscreen/potstand. Then only simmer capability is an issue to be addressed by the design of any given stove.
It would have been nice if they could have put a way to snuff out the flame and also a leak-proof lid so the fuel isn't wasted. Other than that, this looks amazing thank you
Could always snuff it with a pot or the lid from a can. All depending on the fact if you could get the windscreen/pot stand off while it's burning. If not maybe a pot or can turned upside down over top of it.
You, my friend, need a Trangia! ;-) Or just some copy of it. Throw the lid on without the rubber ring, wait a few minutes and check that the flame is out, then put it back on with the rubber sealing ring while it's warm and it will vacuum seal with all the rest of the fuel inside. Oldie but a goodie.
You can snuff the burner with something but the issue is the stand/windshield. There is no way to get an object close enough to snuff it out and it’s dangerous to remove whilst burning. Absolutely correct that not being able to snuff this out easily is a massive issue. I love it but after one use I think I am going to sell it.
If you put a top on these Minny burners.with a wick or two maybe three.ise the design off old karosine lantern and modify it to your alcohol burner to fit inside your foldout alcohol burner holder.
Awesome video, Ernie! Excited to see what new components they come out with in the future. My only 'Con' is for that price point, I would expect it to be made from titanium not aluminum but that's not a deal breaker. Keep up the good work. Cheers!
I have owned many alcohol stoves, and my primary concern is not weight (given they're all small and relatively light), nor speed, but fuel efficiency AND something which I have found lacking in most of the stoves I've bought and rarely seen thoroughly addressed in reviews --- FUEL CAPACITY. So many lightweight alcohol stoves have a just a 1 or 2 oz. or so fuel capacity and they run out of juice before they get the job done, especially in cold weather or with larger pots. Perhaps I missed it, but I never heard talk about fuel capacity in this review, nor did I see it on the stove's website. That, combined with the hungry burn and the price, makes me want to stick to my inexpensive stainless and aluminum OUT-D stove with a 3.5 oz. fuel capacity. Rock solid and gets the job done and I never run out of juice.
If you ever want something else look out for a military Trangia. Virtually indestructible and it has about 1,5x the size of a regular Trangia with a wider base, which means more fuel capacity.
@@dereinzigwahreRichi Very good suggestion. Thank you. I have the standard Trangias, but not the military. Seen them, but haven't ever owned. Will check it out.
From South Africa.. Yes, I have the same problem I use 2 Trangia burners, and substitute the whole burner when the first one runs down.With the Trangia, I believe running dry is the cause of the microcracking problem , so I snuff it when it starts to burn down
I think it might of came close to the 3 mins if you would of let it bloom before putting the pot on. Personally, I think the cost to speed ratio is off. I wouldn't pay more than $20 for an alcohol stove of any kind. They should make a stainless version that's a lot cheaper. I really don't understand why speed matters when it comes to minutes or seconds. If yer in that big of a rush while hiking, I think you missed the point of being outdoors.
Been using and experimenting with these for years and it's the only one I've seen that's put out that much flame out of it's jets. Since you said they've dropped down to $70, I'm going to try one.👍
Glad to see alcohol stove systems with integrated windscreens and pot supports. This looks like a winner but will probably struggle with sales at this price.
I love alcohol stoves, DYI or purchased. That’s a nice looking setup. I really like the ability to simmer a stove & use a Trangia often for that but I also like my Toaks Siphon for a quick burn. I use a Ferro Rod a lot to light my stoves & always wondered if the little bits of ferro rod would ever plug the siphon jet holes. 🔥🇨🇦
That price instantly says no. Trangia allows a simmer, and I can snuff and save fuel. If I want light weight, I’ll use a hole punch on a cat food can and bring a windscreeen. Even $70 USD is overpriced for it. You knew what I was going to say. :)
The one thing that bums me out with alcohol stoves like this one are the small bases, especially if they depend on mounting the pot on them. So top heavy.
I wonder how many people that knock the price of $100 alcohol stove spend that much in beer and cigarettes in a couple of weeks. I have fun playing with these stoves. There’s entertainment value in that.
Ernie RU-vid has really messed with your notifications since you returned. I rarely get them anymore. I do always go and check though, just may be a bit late.
I have this stove and its a fantastic option for when you want to boil water quickly. It is thirsty but its all a trade off of speed vs efficiency. I personally use a wind shield with it. The stand is not 100percent windproof but does allow for ignition in foul wearher. As Ernie mentioned it is a slow bloomer in cold weather, i think thats why ernies boil time was longer than advertised as the pot just went straight on. I tend to get boil times in winter of between 3.30 seconds and 4 minutes depending on water temp.
T7075 is a very strong aluminum, often used in handgun construction, so I think this stove should hold up for a long time. Thanks again for resuming your videos after your break.
That blue flame is a sign of excellent efficiency! I’m really taken with alcohol stoves, so quiet, and although I’d kill for my coffee in the morning, a few extra minutes isn’t a deal breaker. I do prefer a way to regulate the flame but for certain types of hiking that appears to be an excellent design.
I use pure methanol and get that flame, it's the fuel. Poisoned "meths" with smell and chemicals added burn dirty, giving you the yellow flames and soot.
I made my own similar to this one 5 years ago using a small Coca Cola can that’s bottle shaped…cut it in half and placed the top half inside upside down…made a similar port stand/windscreen…90% alcohol and I boil 2 cups in 4 minutes…weighs 6 ounces…my cost was $1.75…
Nice stove. How about a review on the Neotreck pill bottle stove.? It’s basically two round mineral stones that soak up the alcohol and burn. I would love to see a comparison with other stoves.
I have to admire GosHawk's ingenuity. In a sea of Trangia ( Still a favourite) copy cat's it very refreshing to come across a company that makes a quality product at a reasonable cost. They innovate, think outside the box, lead the way..so the sheep can follow. Very cool stove, I think I'll add this one to accommodate my Eddy-X. Great video, thanks for sharing.
Good review of a really cool stove. I"ve used a lot of different stoves over the years and this design looks great. I don't like the price. I have a Safesport/Simon alcohol stove that I got for $12 that does pretty well. I've had it for over 25 years and it has never failed me. I still tend to lean toward canister stoves just because of the simplicity.
Unlike the Trangia you have to be very conservative with the amount of alcohol you use at any given time. This is meant for portability. If you have alcohol remaining after your done cooking/boiling you can't just seal it up and go like with the Trangia. You can of course burn it until the fuel is exhausted but then it is wasted.
Great little thing, thanks for driving our attention to it! I love alcohol stoves yet I am unhappy about the fact that most of them cannot be easily slowed down.
I'm always looking for stoves with a twist on the Trangias design. The Goshawk Siphon Alcohol Stove Steampunk EDDY-X is an interesting one. Heavy ( compared to others ) since it's all Brass but will bloom in 12 to 15 seconds. Boil time is around 5 minutes.
OK, Super sexy stove. Overall, great innovation. Probably the next evolution in a capillary/hoop stove. $90? Not surprised: look at all of the machining that goes into it. I hope they can make it profitable. As an alcohol stove user/maker, the key advantage in the past has been overall lowest weight. When including fuel, that translates to fuel efficiency. Most alcohol users will sacrifice speed for efficiency. A key question would be “can you boil 2 cups of water using less than 20 ml”? The test is slightly misleading as you should start the timing as soon as the alcohol is lit. This may seem minor, but a room temp/cold stove can take longer to bloom. Again, one sexy stove. Will it sell? Probably. Will it survive long term? They will have to get the cost down. I wish them the best of luck.
So the stove looks very cool. My only issue is the wind screen pot stand arms. Not a fan of those type mainly because I’ve snapped that style off many times. Great demo man
If Goshawk ever gets a stateside supplier it’s gonna be Christmas and birthday combined. But that freight from Oz is a killer. Thanks for the looky see Ernie!
There are no game changer in alcohol stoves. There are all manner of 'designs' but vert little to be gained over a simple unmodified vienna sausage can. Certainly not anywhere near enough gain to justify buying some ridiculous commercial can even for 5 bucks. Anyone spending 90 on one is criminally stupid, a danger to them selves and society.
I'm nit having much luck with alcohol stoves. The pathfinder old stoves was no good, so I purchased GOSHAWK ERA Burner and after tow uses the little pot stand feet broke. Now trying to get a replacement. The rivet feet maybe should be redesigned? THERE IS NO OTHER STAND I can use with this stove? Any advice? Thank you for putting out nice video's.
Trangia 25/27 (or even the Triangle) takes some beating. Fair enough, the 25/27 aren't really for hiking. As far as speed to boil water (and not cook) then I'd go gas anyway........
Very cool design, but surprisingly heavy. For the same weight one could carry a BRS-3000T and a half-full canister. Or a full canister for the same weight as the Goshawk plus fuel for two burns. Perhaps the "lightest canister stove" is better than the "best alcohol stove"?
I'll be interested if they can accomodate some aspect equivalent to a simmer ring. I like the design, but to cook at a lower even temp without scorching seems like it would also be a challenge with this stove. You could get around that a little with a double boiler, but who carries a double boiler backpacking?
This stove puzzles me. Why is it so revolusionary? Because it's not. It preforms like a XXL titanium Toaks burner. But you can't use a toaks in 'Triangia gear'. Like the swedisch messkit. With the Goshawk ERA you can! It matches perfectly with better performence then de original Triangia. Price has dropped. I payed 55 Euro and shipping to the Netherlands for the set with windscreen. Together with the 500 titanium pot (auckward pothandle indeed!) it's forms a perfect 1 person cookset. Relative small and very fast boiling. Fuel consumpsion is a bit high. You have to learn how mutch alcohol to fill for the amound of liquid to boil. You can't stop the burning after boiling and you can't carry alcohol other then in a bottle with it. The only (overcome) downsite to me for this burner. The whole ERA burner even fits snug in my titanium Toaks 375 mug. Together in the 500 ml pot or as stand alone set. Then the turbulend flame is a bit too mutch for the small mug but it works. I'm beginning to fall in love with this new burner. But a Triangia beater? Nhaaa....It just does not fit in my Triagia 25 and 27 set. But if it would fit...I'm not sure...
Goshawk has key flame features (blue and straight-up), but it's way too heavy. Have you ever tested a proper capillary-stove? Watched channel for years, but haven't seen a proper capillary? This author's capillary-stove is small (11g) for use in conjunction with a DX wood-burner/pot-stand, but capillary-stove can be made larger, stand-alone and still be under 1oz. Know of no commercially-made capillary stoves. They are easy to build, however?
3 minutes? 3 minutes! Yeah I hear you.... But that is the MAIN problem that ruins most marriages. For most men, 3 minutes is about the average time to finish it and go back to watching football. But for most women, 3 minutes is just warming up to foreplay. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
6:27 _"The bottom line is, I really like the stove, and I think it's worth the money."_ *MY* bottom line is, I also really like the stove, but I *DON'T* think it's worth the money. It's unique and interesting, but quite expensive. If you want to be different and the one with the best and most expensive gear, it's a great stove. If you're a gram wienie, it's wa-a-ay heavy compared to other alcohol solutions. (I have a setup with TWO nesting stoves plus two windscreens and stands for 42.5 grams.) If you're on a budget, there's no way!
Another great video, thx. Please tell me your favorite of the store-bought stoves. I currently use a home-made TLUD because it performs better in sub-freezing than the alcohol stoves in my experience. But I am willing to spend some dough on a store-bought if you say it's the best for backpacking esp cold weather backpacking. Thx! Scott
I don't know about everyone else but for me I buy alcohol stove because they're cheap and easy to use. When I go camping I go to relax. Now as for this new product I think it's nice but not for that price or the speed, when I go camping I'm not in a hurry to boil my water or cook. If the people who created the new stove want to sell then they need to consider the price costs. However I'm sticking with my cheap stove, it cooks and that's all it matters. lol!
I love alcohol stoves...use them on all my travels and camps. This is another toy to play with but a 'greedy guzzler'..if I had the money I would buy it just for the fun of playing with yet another alky' stove....BUT, Ill stick to my 8gm Speedster Stove. Made in the North East of England....slow but sweet. Gotta be one of the lightest weight set ups out there.
So, i have just received by ERA spirit burner. Beautifully presented. Super excited. Fuel up, and a cup of water boiled in under 4 minutes from very start. Wow. But. I couldnt put out the remaining fuel. My simmer lid wouldnt fit inside the top with the fitting holding the pot holder arms... hmmm. Had to let it burn. Fuel was boiling. Supet hot, super hot flame. Impressive indeed. Jyst gotta figure how to put it out. Will start testing required fuel amounts to control that 'afteryouhavefinishedyourburn' burn...
My problem with these open center hole Alcohol Stoves is that it creates a Runaway combustion-effect as the flames and available alcohol heats each other up too much, therefore burning too much, losing efficiency & alcohol $. My homemade aluminum can w/ pin holes on the outside, I put pot directly on the stove rim ASAP when all the pin holes barely get started w/ pressurized alcohol. If I wait for the flames to grow too large, (before sealing the rim w/ a pot) flame with overheat the stove & efficiency lost. TLDR: Put pot solid on the aluminum Rim to suffocate the large center flame keeping pilot pinhole flames tiny. It takes practice.
I can't figure this company out... they seem to ship from here in Aus, but everything about the website (poor english, poor formatting, etc) screams Chinese product They openly declare that they're built in China as well. I don't think they're really Aussie. 😕 The product seems unique and high quality, though, just a shame it seems to be a Chinese company using Australia as a point of advertising to get more customers.
Alcohol stoves are great for their simplicity, but with one major downside. Alcohol (Ethanol) Has way less energy per unit weight than almost all other camping fuels. Meaning you need to carry a lot more with you, especially for long trips
Nice review. I,m a bit of a stove freak and subscribed. Alcohol or as we call it here in Australia Methylated Spirit is very good at all altitudes and temperatures. Only downside I could see with this one is that it is a bit expensive.Cheers from down under.
Spent the last day or so picking out my choice, the(Convertible windproof open coil stove EDDY-X) went to check out and found out they don’t take discover card 😢
I’m an alcohol stove lover. But for price I can buy two pressurized jet alcohol stoves that come with fuel bottles and stands. For a battery-powered I can get three of it😂 From China BTW
Awesome stove. What I don't understand is. Titanium, aluminum all material to save weight. But then you can't use like a 750 ml. mug to continue saving weight. Because then you are forced to use a big and heavy cup. Them you lost all the weight that you save with the stove. Or spend around $100 to get a big titanium mug or pan. All this light stoves need to let you use a small mug like the 750 ml.
Pretty stove. Wish more alcohol stoves were anodized aluminum. Like the integrated pot stand. I guess if it's windy you'd still need a wind screen to prevent the flame from blowing out.
USB solar panels for hiking/travel, I would like to look at preparedness, through EDC type gear, I love the twig stoves, but i want to see how it all can fit together..
Nice stove, thanks for sharing although I am of the opinion that this should have gone straight to Titanium and not Aluminium, its bound to sell well , the market is back packing light weight and nothing more, its 5 to 6 ounces plus fuel, well that's 4 ounces more fuel I could carry or something else. One of the biggest failings for me on this type of stove is the liquid sloshing about in the bottom, has this been sorted on this stove or is it just like a lot of pop stoves an open container of non visible fire in your tent? I will probably buy it just because its a nice new design and MSR should have sorted one out by now after their failed capillary stove that was promised. Great for the Aussies, Goshawk is a nice brand.
I looked through your videos and I don’t see a review on brasslite alcohol stoves. In the 2000’s when alcohol stove culture took off with the internet, the brasslite was considered the best. I still think it weighs in as a top product. Ive made brilliant pancakes with it’s simmer feature.
❤ listen here I'm homeless for 35 years and I've tried all kind of different rocket stoves and I seen other hobo channels that make pretty good stuff in Altoid tins and everything else but for the money you said about a hundred bucks I found one for $60 online both pieces in one order for us I'm going to fly me a cardboard sign that says anything helps and get me one of those cuz even if it's a little bit heavier it seems like it'll last a lot longer than a tin can also I'm going to make a scene a few designs out of Campbell's Soup cans that I want to try and make and I suppose that if I had to remake another one because I burned the old one out every now and then that's a cheaper stove anyways I just subscribed to your channel because that's the coolest thing in the world I'm going to get one and carry it in my backpack and thank you very much and happy holidays❤
Not seeing the appeal. I'm in no rush when boiling water in the wild, so why trade 1 minute on boil time for higher weight, less versatility, worse fuel economy etc.
I learned this from the Grunts 11 B . Once you get your fighting position set up or your houch . Take 1 #10 can place a roll of toilet paper in the #10 can pore one bottle of rubbing alcohol into #10 can soaking toilet paper. Then light toilet paper and then make some coffee or food.
Kuvick titanium on Amazon around 29 bucks similar to a trangia wondered about your thoughts. I like the looks of this stove in this video though how efficient is the burn
Why does it seem like all of the fast stoves have no snuffer, no flame control and no sealing cap? I will continue using my Trangia knockoff until someone combines speed with practicality.
I would almost assume that since it ran out if fuel pretty much right after you took the pot off that it was already losing temperature towards the end lengthening the time to boil. And I am pretty sure that Goshawk tests the times with the ERA already bloomed.
