In this video I discuss what happened with my GR86 regarding the rtv silicone issue and what you should be doing with your GR86/BRZ. #gr86 #brz #toyota #subaru
You don't think more RTV will "chip" off? Do you bring it back to the dealer & have them drop the pan every 3k miles? I'd be seriously PISSED off if I paid $35k for one of these cars right now. Toyota/Subaru should be offering to check these for free, extending warranties, stop sales and fix the problem, he'll do something!!!!
Having more come off is very possible. I plan to take it back again at some point and having them drop the pan again. Hopefully too no charge, I would like to see a permanent fix from Toyota.
I was seriously considering making either the 86 or Brz my next car, but not after hearing from so many folks of this issue. Plus the trans synchro issues.
I'm holding off on getting a BRZ to see what comes out of this rtv issue. At first I was considering the GR86 but the looks of the BRZ grew on me and now I think it's a better looking car (totally a subjective thing). That said, other than looks what made we switch to getting a BRZ once all is settled is hearing absolute nightmares of Toyota dealerships not having parts not even for oil changes, mechanics guessing what to do cause they never see boxers and effing up the cars, and dealers outright denying warranty repair based on bogus reasons. Then you here the Subaru side saying that if they have issues Subaru takes care of it no problem making choosing a BRZ seems a no-brainer.
I have rebuilt this engine due to rod knock caused by this. The amount of sealant used is crazy. Sealant is used everywhere with few o-rings and gaskets used. The sealant in the pickup comes from everywhere, especially the valve covers!
I just ordered a grey MT GR86 (basic) and was told I should get it around February 2024 (I'm sure it will be delayed but that is fine). I'll follow your exemple and have them drop the drop the pan a few times early at the beginning of the car's life. I do not intend to track it so I should be able to enjoy driving this car. Hopfully with all this RTV bad press, I figure Toyota made some corrections by applying less RTV in some areas. Thanks for the video.
I hope they do a recall, I dont think its that bad of an issue. The cases of the engine failures were not due to rtv idk if they used 5w-30 on track day but for 9 months of driving my brz, It hasnt blown up lol or given any issues what so ever.
I disagree on it not being a big issue. I hope your car and really I hope no one’s car ever has an issue from it. I wish there was a recall but it’s a wait and see if they do the right thing.
Its NOT comming from the oil pan because another RU-vidr dropped the oil pan and used a different color rtv and used minimum amount and 5k miles later STILL got grey RTV sucked up which means its NOT from the oil pan. Its comming from the timing chain cover.
So when they dropped the oil pan for you, did they actually bring you back to look at it or did they see the silicone and admit it was there? Reason I’m asking is if they say didn’t let you back there, couldn’t they easily lie and say everything was fine? Just curious
They could lie but my dealership took pictures and sent them to me and invited me back there and I also took pictures. They reported everything back to Toyota Corporate and this is why Toyota is considering doing a service bulletin and also might change the manufacturing process.
Well I had to push them to do this and they told me I was being to cautious. Originally they brushed off my request to drop the oil pan and gave me a hard time but I was persistent and forced the issue.
This is a deal breaker as far as I am concerned. I would not buy a GR86 or BRZ (assuming they too have this issue) until it is completely resolved. I feel bad for anyone who bought these cars and is now dealing with this issue.
Well some good news is Toyota is working on the 1.6l turbo 3 from the grYaris and grCorolla. This engine is over built and stout with 0 issues. Based on rumors this could be in the 2026 model for the GR86.
Thank you for the questions. Miles were 80 percent city 20 percent hwy. No track time yet and I am gong to wait until next spring for its first track day. I will be attending the GR track day sponsored by Toyota at High plains raceway outside of Denver. Car had 3,241 miles on it and the first oil change was done at 900 miles as a precaution and to remove metal shavings from the break in period.
Could this be a problem for all new Subaru engines? I was going to upgrade from my 2016 gt86 but the waiting time and now this, I just decided to put a sprintex supercharger on my 86 instead and couldn't be happier.
@@CruiseControl1 look into it. Great video. I sub and like u. BUT how did any oil get thru w all that RTV. Btw I just changed my oil for the 2nd time with less than 3000m and install a purepower OF. 220 bucks but is a lifetime filter. The element is STAINLESS. Easily removed for inspection. Maybe I catch some rtv in the OF.
I will definitely look into it and will update when I know more. Best thing to do is have the oil pan dropped at the dealership so they can document what’s found and that will speed up a recall and a change in RTV application for future GR86/BRZ. Thank you for subscribing.
Because most people purchase GR86's to BRZ's so naturally the issue will be more prevalent. Both are made in the same factory and are assembled the same way therefore both will be subjected to this issue. I personally own a BRZ, however, I have not actioned this matter - yet.
That would be a good idea, especially since the more people that take it in the faster Toyota will make a service bulletin and change the RTV process to ensure this is no longer an issue.
I have a gr86 sitting at 2,600 miles and I was wondering when should I take it to the dealership? I been pushing the car but never tracked it. It has just been my daily driver but likes to push the car sometimes.
For clarity in your case now that the issue was seen and they removed all the rtv blocking your oil pickup is the problem solved for you? Or there's a chance more rtv will fall off in the future? How about for others who have some rtv in the pick up but not as much as you did?
All great questions and ones I would like to know the answers to as well. My hope is that my car is all fixed but yes more rtv could definitely come off and clog the oil pickup tube. For those that have less that is a really good sign. I will probably drop my oil pan again in the future to check if more as built up.
I have a preorder for Q1 23, and i was thinking, realistically wouldn't you need to break in the engine first before dropping the pan? Subaru and Toyota silence is deafening.
WOW WOW WOW I just set up an appt w my subie dealer for a diagnostic where they will DROP THE PAN for Nada. NO money because it is a diagnostic. Unlike toyota that will charge 400 bucks. And they will pick it up from my house 60m one way. LOVE SUBARU
Received a call from Subie servi e manager and he said he will not drop the pan for nada wants 300 ducks. Nice guy. Said he Received no service bulletins on rtv and if it was his car he wouldn't drop it.
Toyota told me $400 bucks to drop the pan and I said fine but if you find the rtv you are paying for it and they agreed. Thankfully it was taken care of because my oil pickup tube was completely blocked up. As for the service bulletin that has not been released as of yet, that information is being debated from Toyota. At least that is what I was told. I would highly recommend dropping the pan though because more and more cars are having this issue.
@@CruiseControl1 my subie service manager said subie has been using rtv silicone for yrs and he's never seen any problems w it's use. He would charge me 300 ducks and said it was a waste of money.
Well I hope you don’t have any issues because peoples engines are failing and your Subaru advisor seems less than helpful. This is a KNOWN ISSUE so don’t let them get away with it.
I got my gr86 from a toyota dealership, but is it possible to take it to a subaru dealership to get it checked out? Also how much do you think it would cost just to get someone to take off the oil pan and scrape off and re-new the rtv etc.? Or should I just wait for a re-call
I would take it to Toyota and have them drop the pan and tell them if there is any rtv in the oil pickup tube that it should be fully covered under warranty. By you taking it in you will help Toyota creat the recall and change how it is assembled in the future.
I would also recommend that you ask to see the oil catch tube yourself so you can document what rtv is there with pictures. My dealership took pictures and let me back there so I could take my own as well.
I recently picked up a 2023 model, haven’t even hit 1k miles yet, yall think should have Toyota look into it or is there a certain point I should have the oil pan dropped ?
I can tell you what I did. By 1,000 miles I had the oil changed. By 3,000 miles I had the oil pan dropped and they removed the excess RTV. I love the GR86/BRZ and with proper maintenance I believe it will be a great sports car.
Do you think they'll resolve this issue with the 2023 versions of the GR86/BRZ? I was looking for a new car and wanted one of these but now I'm not so sure...my current ride just turned 18 and its definitely starting to show its age. I feel like they already pre-produced all the boxer engines even for the 2023 models so they'd see the same issue too 😭
Great question, however I do believe it takes time and a few thousand miles for the rtv to come out. I had mine checked at 3,000 miles, I have seen where people have done it again around 10,000 miles and have it removed again. Hopefully this is a non issue anymore because all Subaru has to do is change how much rtv is used during the assembly process for the BRZ/GR86.
@@CruiseControl1 So I should run in my car for a certain amount of miles then have them to do it?Or ask them to check when the first time of oil change.Can you see the processing?
You can ask if they will let you be there for dropping the oil pan but not every dealership allows that. I was lucky when they let me go see how much was in the oil pickup tube. I always change my oil early on a new car around 1,000 miles, due to the break in period with metal shavings. I had them drop the pan at 3,000 miles.
Hopefully not, however I don’t know. This is caused by the assembly process at the Subaru plant, they just need to calibrate how much rtv is used to seal each component.
As long as you keep it hidden and not post it on RU-vid, nobody is going to find out lol 😂. Find a good mechanic that you trusted or do it yourself at home. You can’t really trust the stealership anymore. 😞
The GR86 oil pick up was fixed. They went from a single flat circular screen to a 5 wall square pick up screen. So if rtv does happen to get sucked up, the oil still has 4 other windows to get thru.
@@CruiseControl1 How soon would you recommend doing it? I guess if you do it too soon the issue might not show but do it too late and it might be a problem.
Hopefully not, the issue was caused by the automated machines that Suburu uses and they should be able to recalibrate them to not use so much rtv silicone. However I don’t know if that’s been done.
@@CruiseControl1 Thank you for the reply. I'm gonna purchase the 2023 model just so I don't have to deal with the issue. This will be my first new car purchase. Hopefully they learned their lesson.
Are you getting the Subaru BRZ or Toyota GR86? I ask because since it is made by Subaru you might have better luck with them standing behind the warranty.
@@CruiseControl1 I decided to go for the GR86. Right now it's hard to find a Manuel version where I'm at. Few more checks saved up and I'll buy the car fully paid off.
I would recommend looking at the BRZ again only because Toyota seems very happy to blame Subaru rather than doing anything when something does do wrong.
I would highly recommend it and I would ask if you can take pictures of the RTV once they drop the pan so you have proof and hopefully the more proof dealerships send back to Toyota that it will spawn a service bulletin and a change in how much RTV is used.
@CruiseControl1 I'm watching your break up video right now, this is such a bummer.... the car is beautiful and it really was my dream car but after hearing about all the BS you need to go through in order to maintain it ? I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I'm definitely better off getting something else.... I'd be able to go to sleep every night without the thought of my engine blowing up on me the next morning. I truly wish toyota built this car entirely themselves with no parts from subaru. Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate it !
@CruiseControl1 I hope so! Then I'd definitely reconsider going for the gr86 again haha if they don't I was thinking of just going for the base 1ls chevy camaro. It's in the exact same price range.
I cant believe this problema was in the gt86 and still in the sucesor the gr86 and all for dont spent 20€ in a oíl pan gasket. Other cheaper Cars dont has this estúpid fail desing.
