Top Complaints of The New Toyota GR86 and Subaru BRZ 

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​@@Gonin60where is this if you don't mind me asking?

@@itslukechen UT

same here

Great video, well spoken….subscribed

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Congrats! Sorry about your Acura

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Seriously. I live east coast and I am saving for one. There's a track in my state, but it's the only one, you can still use it though. It also makes a good daily.

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Thank you!

Thanks for sharing!

what dash amp are you speaking of? i have a GR Premium coming in a few weeks.

I traded my lexus for the base GR86 and I really miss my lexus speakers. Base model 86 speakers are complete garbage. Thats going to be my first upgrade immediately.

Why on earth would you want to change the camber? First of all, the suspensions on modern sports cars are pretty much optimized to be the perfect blend of street and track performance. It's not like the 70’s when even nice sports car like the 240Z handled like shit until you modified the suspension. I know because I was racing and setting up cars for racing even way back then. These days of course people do modification just for the hell of it and in many cases they actually end up ruining the handling - particularly those guys who dial in clownishly extreme amounts negative camber. Anyway, while changing the camber will in no way make the car more fun to drive, thats not to say that you can’t possibly shave a few tenth of a second off your lap times by optimizing the camber for the track. But then again, who care about a few tenths of a second when the average guy doing track days could shave at least several whole seconds off his lap times simply by improving his skill level. Still, if you do want to find the best camber setting for the track there is only one way to do it. Just do a few hot laps to heat up the tires and then stop and take the tread temperatures at 3 points - center, outside, and inside. If the outside if hotter than the inside, you need more negative camber and if the inside is hotter, you have too much negative camber. If the center is hotter than both the outside and the inside then the tire pressure is too high and if the inside is cooler than the tire pressure is too low. When all three temperatures are the same then you have everything right. So, if you do it, do it right. Don’t just dial it in willy-nilly. And of course, if you are on a very tight track and want more oversteer just get a larger rear anti-sway bar.

I'm in my 30s and I finally bought this car 🤩 it's Sooo well tuned even outta the box and I 100% agree with ya! The camber on cars like these are perfect for the car. But unfortunately the modern "car scene" is filled with a bunch ó kids following ridiculous social media trends for the clicks with no real appreciation for the beauty of the machine But every once in a while you do see people that appreciate the art of it all. 💪

You bet!

You bet

Nice!!

How long you gonna wait? I ordered week ago and they said it can take up to 18 months.

@@jorgevazquez654 I'm getting it very soon man but its very limited rn and the color you would want won't be for sure made so you gotta hope the factory builds your order.

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It’s a great car for sure!

Suggest a booster seat, then duck

@@mikekoenig9950 Great advice - both bits! 😂

Congrats!!

Another thing that may not be a issue for most people, is the temperature unit. US market cars can only display temperature unit in Fahrenheit, while speed,MPG and all other units can be converted to metric. Coming from somewhere that uses Celsius, I need to do a conversion in my head while looking at it. Not a issue when daily driving but it might be headache when looking at oil and coolant temps if on track. My MK7 and 2013 Lexus GS can adjust temperature units easily considering that GS is also a Toyota product.

I didn’t pay attention to that. That’s crazy. Thanks for sharing!

My doors lock but is a premium

@@Lilredridinghood555 mine is a premium too, is yours a US spec car? The door can lock if I push the lock button but it does not lock itself at speed🤣

@@kevinkong6202 let me check that I maybe dreaming for some reason I thought I heard that happen let me get back to you after I check this. When we drive different cars I think sometimes we don’t realize things some little things are not happening. So I just realized what made me think that the doors were locking at 5 mpg is the passenger and trunk not unlocking when you open the driver door, that’s the confusion. So I guess with the road noise I never noticed the click not happening. My mistake so sorry but in my defense I am blonde haha just kidding no offense intended. Actually happy to know it’s NOT locking, I can lock from now on manually.

My MK8 golf r at sticker would tend to disagree

@@Gonin60 uh oh! Did I miss a video?!

@@QueTheChaotic haha nope!

@@Gonin60 congrats man!

@@QueTheChaotic thanks!

That’s all that matters

Okay

Thank you!

Thanks for sharing! I bet you can google an answer I would think. Sorry to hear you are having that issue.

If it’s on auto and the target temperature is far from your current temperature it’ll recirculate to get it to temperature faster. Once its working less hard it’ll take outside air again.

I think it recirculates to get fresh air. My T Roc does the same.thought it was a health issue

What's your main if you don't mind my asking. My husband wants this as his daily, and I'm thinking it'd be better as a weekend drive... So I guess I'm just looking for opinions. Would this be a good daily?

Very kind. Thank you!

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Good points!

With 100 miles on it? Lord. I'm saving for one myself, and this may make me not buy it. Chunks of oil? What oil were you running. I'd be putting premo in their like royal purple etc..

Tough choice

Thanks for sharing!

Out of the 2000 sold, how many will be tracked more then twice a year? Have the same engine in my gr86 cup car. 8 races so far, no issues with the pressure at all. It dips on right turns, but it’s nothing detrimental.

My 23 GR86 gets very respectable gas mileage, 27-34 mpg depending on whether I'm driving local or long distance. Mine is the AT though, I wanted the MT but that was at least a six month wait and the dealership had a premium with every thing I wanted right down to color, Track bRed, but lacking the manual trans coming from Japan and available today. I don't track drive it, just commute to work and back and drive all over New England. I'm about to find out how well it's going to go in snow. Just put a set of snow tires on it and waiting for the snow to come. My three cars prior to this were all rear wheel drive, 12 Mustang, 06 Charger, 97 T-Bird, so I'm used to driving rear wheel drive in snow. My biggest complaint so far is only one 12V power outlet that's buried in the glove box.

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i unplugged mine in case I ever sell it I can just replug it in

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Congrats!!

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The pressure and rtv are big nothing sandwiches. Get an extended warranty if you’d feel better.

​@@michaeljohn1160 wouldn't do me much good since I plan on heavily modifying the vehicle.

​@@michaeljohn1160 If they don't honor the standard manufacturer warranty what makes you think and extended one would make any difference?

its a non issue

Yes I did. It was $1300 for the front half

Be careful with those packages and read everything. Alot are complete scams.

@@analogueoverdigital929 Toyota's paint protection film is a scam? Or going to some local business is a scam?

Fair assessment!

Interesting

You bet!

Got it. Thanks!

Time will tell and the oil dropping issue is not RTV related.

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It could be an okay daily. Mpg will be better on your GTI

@@Gonin60 really good to know, thank you so much!!

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True! Mine is a base so didn’t have the pilot sports. Just a common complaint from people about road noise. I don’t mind it.

@@Gonin60 can confirm. swapped my tires for all season michelin tires and also got new wheels as well. road noise completely dies down

I had an issue with the tune that’s stock but that didn’t seem to be a popular take.

Pedal Commander is worth a purchase, my throttle was too aggressive before installing one, it’s much better now.

@@johnybigarms right on!

What does this mean

@@tisscurmotorsports it’s a small electronic box that quickly connects between your throttle pedal and the ECU, it has different modes to select via both the buttons on the box, or via an app, each mode adjust the sensitivity of the throttle, I have it on Normal at the softest setting, the power delivery is now much smoother, less like an On Off switch that Toyota had programmed in, £200 $250 area in cost.

Dang sorry to hear that! I have poor experiences with CarPlay in general

@@Gonin60for the most part it usually works fine but I just gotta deal with it on the days that my car just decides it’s not gonna work with CarPlay 🤷🏻‍♀️

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I did not know that. Right on

Yeah that’s true

Keep enjoying it! Thanks for commenting!

Yeah this has been mentioned by a few in the comments section.

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Awesome man! 👌

Thanks!!!

Thanks for the comment

If you're using google maps it's easy to download offline maps, search for 'how to use google maps when your phone is offline.' The car isn't big on creature comforts and it's the first manual transmission I've had in many years (re-living my analog youth) so sipping coffee or playing with the phone requires timing. If you're using an iphone the magsafe mounts are solid and available in different configurations, Amazon is a good place to start.

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Can’t really speak to power adds

Please describe clunky. Like on and off the throttle the car jerks back and forth a bit? Slop in the drivetrain, or soft motor mounts?

@@sfixx perhaps the best way to explain it is that the transmission at times struggles to shift into 2nd gear. And when it does you can hear the transmission struggling.

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Cool

Haha

RTV hasn’t really proven to be a problem yet. More on track use but it is something to worry some about. I think the majority are fine. I don’t know if engine failure has officially been linked to RTV

The RTV issue is an easy fix, however the right hand turn oil pressure loss issue is not _as_ easy of a fix (yet, until a company releases an aftermarket oil pan/baffle that actually fixes the issue). I don't think it's too much of a problem on street driven cars, mostly cars with stickier tires that go through higher G turns.

I would say yes but I haven’t driven all three of those

It’s bad

The quality is very solid for base model speakers and tweeters. I almost left them alone but being a basshead i added 2 12”subs. All around amazing sound from all. I dont typically go above 20 on the dial 65%on amp.

@@lordnadovski I have the premium version so those 2 extra speakers might be what’s convincing me otherwise but other than that I really can’t seem to do anything else to it. My friends can hear me coming down the block and it’s not from the exhaust is because of the bass

@@justinirizarry3010I have a 23 GR86 Premium. I love the car, but the bass, it sucks. I added a JBL powered sound hub, and wired it in myself. It is honestly unbelievable just how good it sounds , and totally transforms the sound. I have a 750 watt amp and aftermarket speakers and a Phoenix gold sub in my 2018 Camry. Honestly, the bass of this JBL sound hub, that goes where your spare tire is, sounds better. Now the rest of the sound system of course does not have the clarity of my after market 750 watt, 5 channel amp and speakers. But it takes it from suck, to pretty damn impressive for around $300

It’s a good car

@@Gonin60Weighting to pro and con, I feel like the GR86 is still so much worth it.

@@alekporier it’s worth it but I would go to another dealer to try to get one faster

@@Gonin60 I barely have a few months left before it arrives and I still have to buy winter tires too and wheels for them. So I am trying to save a bit more so I can afford it when it arrives.

@@alekporier got it. Has the car gone to the build stage yet?

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Yeah it very well could be. Only time will tell! How is your Mazda 3?

@@Gonin60 Going great. I said it before, but I think it's a really great daily driver. I do feel the tires let it down somewhat if doing spirited driving, but for just the normal stuff it's a fantastic little package.

@@saviordream right on! Good to hear!

I’m now at 1-1/2 yrs and 17k miles. Zero issues from daily or track driving. This thing is solid. Couple people have engine issues and the internet blows up. Don’t drive them like a 17 yr old and they’ll be a great car for years.

I have owned 3 BRZs and do not track it and never rev it over 7,000 rpms. Yes I drive it like a sports car and my only issue is that all 3 BRZs ( 2020, 2022 & 2023) need the oil topped up. My 2023 had the longest breakin and still uses some oil especially if I’m on the interstate doing 70 mph and over for long distances and driving aggressively on twisty roads using the gears and driving it over 3500 rpms. Low tension piston rings designed by Toyota not Subaru so oil will get past the rings unless you drive it like a granny. Yes it’s well within factory requirements but still, bothers me!!

Fair points I can’t argue with!

And 2 seats plus it’s a Miata I know Miata drivers yuck

It’s 6-10k more expensive and tons less practical. Also better quality transmission is simply false with how many synchro failures have been reported.

is not as much as a daily driver as the gr86

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Congrats!

Will do

I think you mean taken back. Might want to take that back…

Probably both

Fair points!

Good to hear!

It is a one lady and purse kind of a car haha. Congrats and enjoy!

Thanks Donald

Yes it can or unplug it

Yep

Thanks for sharing

Sounds good

Thanks

Great

In the dash

To each their own but for 50k I could name slot better performing cars

​@@Gonin60 Different but not better. There aren't many sports cars that weigh less than 3000lbs these days. For the same amount of practicality, there's the prev gen Mini Cooper S and Abarth 500. The Elantra N is 3100lbs and so is the Type R. And the Miata is a second car for most.

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​@@Gonin60agreed 👍🏽

It's 60000 dollars in My country,(Portugal)and I still got one anyway....

Congrats!!

WHICH TOMEI??? I have the dual 😎

Oh wow. Was it an auto or manual?

@@Gonin60 auto

Yes

That's St. Augustines Church. The city is Mogadishu

@@braetonwilson4296 nailed it

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That’s so awesome you and your wife own one. I could understand your complaint on the grab bar.

@@Gonin60 It's my wife's car. How much extra would it have cost to make the grab bars standard? It does have android auto and Apple car play, but phone has to be plugged in - not wireless.

I put my hand on the door sill and push up to get out, sort of a reverse grab bar.

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Yes

Rockies - wasatch mountains

@@Gonin60 nice!!

Thanks for sharing! Talk more on point 5 and what you mean.

@@Gonin60 I felt like they boosted the low rpm throttle input to make it seem like a torquey v8 but falls on its face up in the rev range. I prefer a linear throttle. The throttle input has a lag and delay… as oppose to a cabled throttle that’s instantaneous. Those two paired together just turned me off so bad.

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People are so weird going on and on about how awful it is to have this car in an automatic and i really don't understand it at all, I think they are just super proud they can drive manual and it makes them feel like an elite car enthusiast (which is super lame) this is coming from someone who has several motorcycles and definitely understands what shifting is like

@@TouchofKarma1 totally, I miss mine everyday. I still have my manual BRZ…not as fun.

Not sure on that

Yeah

It’s in UT

That seems really long. My BRZ took 6 months

@@Gonin60 i was thinking the same. idk how much longer i would have to wait either, they aren't giving me an answer and when i ask they just tell me they have no info and they'll call me when they got it.

@@tugce_kilic every dealer is different. I would look around

Agreed!

Good news you can turn it off

@@Gonin60 I thought you could only turn off piped in exhaust. That is good to know.

Hmm interesting

​​@@Gonin60Exactly. They don't want people doing preventative maintenance. They want people to follow the manufacturer recommended intervals so the vehicle barely makes it across the warranty finish line.

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Yeah you can turn that off

@@Gonin60 Do i have to ask a mechanic at the Toyota dealer to do it? I should have the exact model/trim etc in about 3-4 weeks, when the car arrives at the dealership who do i talk to about it? Btw i appreciate your vod talking about things that might be "negative" about the car. The only thing that gave me even a tiny bit of conern was the "oil pan/RTV issue". And i have to be honest, i have absolutely no freeking clue what any of that means! Everything else i can deal with, long term, it sounds like people don't even know what all that means because the car has not even been out long enough for any of us GR86 enthusiasts to know for sure if it's something that is going to cause the car harm, in the long term. Anyway, i've been on a local Toyota dealership "waiting list" for like 2 years and they said they were not able to "order" or look for the exact model i want, that they didn't have the allocation slots. I always thought that sounded dumb. So last week i called a Toyota dealership about 30 miles from me in a bigger city and they said they would look around the tri-state area and were sure they could get what i wanted! Like what the hell. They said the local dealership near me is being lazy and didn't want to find what i wanted. Anyway that's a long story im sorry. But thank you for the vod and what you think might be "negative", but i want the car still.

@@Ccortanaa you don’t need to go to the dealer to turn off the shifter beep. I believe it’s a setting in the gauge cluster you can adjust. RTV. It’s a sealant they put around the oil pan and the machines put too much of it. If you aren’t tracking your car then I would worry too much about it.