@@holocade4908 he is right TB advanced statistics are terrible, he’s won more playoff games with 3 picks than Rodgers has with 3 TDs. Belicheat help build Patriots and Ravens SB rosters original(which he infamously went on the coach anyway), has winning record without TB. TB has never been on team that wouldn’t win 9+ games without him and has never had a coach that isn’t going into the hall of fame.
@@mramisuzuki6962 Brady also won 13 playoff games when he threw 13 or more tds, which happens to be more than Rodgers has won altogether. In fact if Rodgers triples his playoff win total, he will still be behind Brady. Belichick has never had anything to do with the Ravens (Belichick and Billick aren't the same person) 2019 Patriots with Brady 12-4, 2019 Bucs with #1 pick Winston 7-9 2020 Patriots with #1 pick Newton 7-9, 2020 Bucs with Brady 11-5 + SB Win Be careful when there are so many facts that expose you when you are spouting nonsense.
@@nortonmalcontent8778 Yeah man just go ahead and ignore the Bucs defense holding Mahomes to just 9 points against a horribly injured offensive line no less. He also had a bunch of weapons to throw to as well Gronk, Mike Evans, Chris Goodwin, Antonio Brown as well as an elite offensive line. Literally the only thing Tampa Bay needed was a QB that didn't throw 5 interceptions a game to be a playoff contender. In fact if you look at that 7-9 record most of those losses were either by one point or happened in overtime. Bottom line the Bucs were much better then their record showed. If you put Josh Allen or Arron Rodgers on that same team the same result would happen with them Winning a ring. How's that for spouting nonsense pal?
Alex Smith was the absolute perfect quarterback for Kansas City's rebuild. He got us winning again, towards the end of it he was actually kind of killing it too. When we drafted Mahomes he didn't take it badly like Farve (Rodgers too ironically) and really helped mentor him, which was especially helpful because the things Smith was great at were the things Pat lacked out of college. C- draft for San Fran, easy A for Kansas City.
Rodgers hasn’t taken it badly like Farve at all… if you paid any attention you’d see the interviews with Love and other talking highly about how well Rodgers mentors Love and how he loves to do it.
Yeah I don't think he did a bad job with this list it's just not amazing another example is Cam saying he's not a "good passer" when he's 1000 Yards back of Kurt Warner and Troy Aikman to HOF players. That's with Newton only having 11 seasons under his belt and missing a ton of games, I feel like rushing took over there for what he's known for
@@n_a8917 Bledsoe gets a ton of disrespect, and I'm not even a Patriots fan, but respect him for his talent before he was replaces by Brady and Romo. I'm a bit protective of his overall legacy, so it's all good. I love all three of those guys, it's just they make Bledsoe look like chop liver, these days, constantly and he was a stud. ✌
*1970’s* 0:13 _TB 12_ (4 SuperBowls) 0:38 Jim Plunkett 0:54 Walt Patulsky 1:07 John Matuszak - F 1:22 _Ed “Too Tall” Jones_ (Super Bowl Champion) 1:39 Steve Bartkowski 2:02 *Lee Roy Selmon* (Hall of Famer) 2:20 Ricky Bell 2:37 *Earl Campbell* 3:01 Tom Cousineau *1980s* 3:14 Billy Sims, 1985 Knee Injury 🤕 3:29 George Rodgers, drug issues 3:46 Kenneth Sims 4:06 _John Elway,_ Walked away from Indy 4:15 Irving Fryar 4:34 *Bruce Smith* 4:42 *Bo Jackson* - F 4:47 Vinny Testaverde 5:10 Aundray Bruce 5:24 *_Troy Aikman_* *1990s* 5:45 Jeff George 6:07 _Russell Maryland_ C 6:19 Steve Entman 6:31 Drew Bledsoe 7:00 Dan Wilkinson 7:17 Ki-Jana-Carter 7:35 KeShawn Johnson 7:54 *_Orlando Pace_* 8:05 *_Peyton Manning_* #18 ‘98 8:19 Tim Couch *2000s* 8:44 Courtney Brown 8:54 Michael Vick 9:24 David Carr 9:48 Carson Palmer 10:17 Eli Manning [like John Elway] 10:30 Alex Smith 11:05 Mario Williams 11:19 JeMarcus Russell 11:35 Jake Long 11:52 Matthew Stafford *2010’s* 12:16 Sam Bradford 12:35 Cam Newton 13:04 Andrew Luck 🍀 ⛈ 13:40 Eric Fisher 13:55 Jadeveon Clowney 14:16 Jameis Winston 14:46 Jared Goff 15:22 Myles Garrett 15:41 Baker Mayfield 16:08 Kyler Murray 16:22 Joe Burrow *2020s* 16:33 Trevor Lawrence
Imagine taking JaMarcus Russell and then Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas go directly after Not to mention - Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch, Darrell Revis, Joe Staley, Greg Olsen, Eric Weddle, Ryan Kalil and Marshal Yanda
The idea that the Colts got nothing for Elway and the Chargers got nothing for Eli Manning is completely false, as both were traded for value immediately after being drafted. In exchange for Elway, the Colts got a first round pick and the draft rights to Chris Hinton, who made six Pro Bowls during his time with the franchise. He wasn't Elway, but that is better value than the majority of the players on this list. For Eli, the Chargers got the draft rights to Philip Rivers (who is arguably as good as Eli) and multiple future picks, including a first rounder that turned into Shawne Merriman. Both teams would probably make that exact trade all over again.
When I first watched the video, I thought the grades made sense, if you only looked at the value that specific player brought to that specific team. But then I became more inclined to think as you did, that those sorts of grades were separated from reality: you need to know the sum total of the transaction, at least in the cases where the players didn't actually play for the drafting team. That being said, I don't agree with Manning/Rivers only because the Giants got two Super Bowls from "Manning". Now, I don't think Eli was ever elite, he kind of Dilfer-ed his way into those rings (hence why I put his name in quotation marks). But he, at least in those seasons, managed the critical plays very well, stepped up when needed, and didn't lose it (in fact, played out of his socks) for the Giants when it mattered in the postseason. A few other QBs probably could have done the same job placed in the same situation, but that's conjecture. Fact is Rivers didn't get to a Super Bowl, and while many of his playoff losses weren't his fault (see torn ACL game), he also didn't produce clutch games when the Chargers really needed them. His postseason stats were "average" at best. I'll admit, Super Bowls aren't everything. Rivers had far better regular season career stats, and was as durable as a tank. With him under center and slinging the ball around, the Chargers were never out of the game. Plus he was an entertainer, and a much more likable guy than Eli (and I usually prefer the quieter athletes who just go about their business). But I bet in retrospect the Chargers would have much preferred those Super Bowl titles, assuming that Manning could have done enough with them. Speaking of conjecture, maybe those titles might have convinced the city to find a way to get a new stadium built and would have kept them in San Diego (nah, Spanos is an idiot). Just my opinion.
He's absolutely right about Elway though. If you think a 6 time pro bowl lineman is equivalent to an arguably top 10 all time QB, you're insane. The other big issue is that Indy knew Elway wouldn't play for them before the draft and took him anyway when they could've drafted Dan Marino instead
Before watching it, I already know many non QB’s like Fisher, Clowney, etc here will be prob crazy underrated I’ll always feel bad for careers like Couch, Carr, Bradford and Luck. Some great modern talents who were ruined by injuries
@@BrandonMossIsGay He was OROY. Those Rams teams OLs def did not keep him from getting sacked. And even led the league in completion despite his injuries
@@alexolds9840 Denver... or Indianapolis... hell, it isn't even a sure thing that they would've beaten Pittsburgh. The Bengals' defense was pretty bad, and #3 seeds with bad defenses don't make many Super Bowl trips.
@@hofghost2456 So what? There are nearly a dozen teams that got swept by a team in the regular season and beat them in the playoffs, including last year's Super Bowl champion. Previous results don't determine future results, dum dum. 😜
@@PrimePlayzGames True. Taylor might not have been but Pittman would have cause he was taken with a second round pick from the then Redskins. Only way the Colts get Pittman and Taylor is if they don't trade their first for Buckner and use it to get one of those two. So big loss either way
I think Vick deserves a better grade than Palmer. Vick won a few playoff games and won 57% of his regular season games with the Falcons. Palmer didn’t win a single playoff game and only won 47% of his regular season games with the Bengals. Plus the Falcons fell to 4-12 the year after Vick got locked up while the Bengals actually improved from 4-12 to 9-7 after ditching Palmer.
This is one of the laziest videos I've ever seen. I don't think this guy has it in him to actually rate the best player from every franchise, that would require work. All this guy had to do was look up every #1 pick and look at their stats, absolutely no context or even an attempt at context here. This is a terrible video. I dislike.
That Rodgers talk is revisionist history. His style was drastically rebuilt by McCarthy at GB. Those SF teams stunk. Rodgers would have been wasted by SF.
I doubt it. Rodgers would have excelled anywhere he went minus Detroit, which is just a black hole. The reason Rodgers fell was because, kind of like current Ohio State, California at the time was pumping out QB’s into the NFL. And they had great college stats but were huge busts in the NFL. So people thought Rodgers might just be a California system QB.
@@one1blue apparently a lot of teams that passed on him either, didn’t need a quarterback or didn’t have the cap space for a first round qb. Apparently first round qb contracts back then were not good for the team.
I think "F" grades should be reserved for complete failures. Players who managed to be solid or have even one good season should at least be in the C/D range.
I’d do it this way: Hall of Famers: A+ Made an impact as rookies: A/B Multiple all-pro seasons without HOF election:A/B Decent but not outstanding careers: C/D Busts: D/F Draft is about one thing: how good of a player they turn out to be. This is true pretty much of any player taken anywhere in the top quarter of the first round, not just the #1, but naturally those players are taken with the highest expectations of all. (Though the fact that some draft classes are better than others also should be a factor in these rankings.)
@@HighlightDepot Even still, some of these players had solid seasons, but because they didn't flourish into stardom with the first team they were with they are given an "F". It just seems that the author had difficulty with a grading system at the lower levels. A "D" isn't great, but at least it shows that the player played a bit with the team.
@Fries as a MAJOR Eli Manning fan I think he deserved an A-. In all honesty he was frustratingly inconsistent but he did win 2 Super Bowls by beating the patriots (nothing much needs to be said about the 2007 pats) . He’s also the most clutch qb of all time
Billy Sims had a short but brilliant career so he should’ve garnered at least an A. Earl Campbell & Walter Payton each ruled the AFC & NFC respectively in running for years. Campbell’s an A+
Ok for clarity, its about the team drafting, so if a dude is a terrible player with the team who drafted him. but a hof with a different team, then its a bad grade
You know, I don’t agree with your takes 100% of the time (I’d say we align on about 80% of topics you discuss), even when I disagree you deliver such watertight supporting points that I have to respect the delivery. I clicked on this page like a month ago because I thought it was a joke and found some of the best sports analysis on RU-vid
This video shows how the league moved from drafting running backs with the top pick in the 70s and 80s to drafting quarterbacks afterward, when the league moved toward a pass-first league.
Peyton Manning threw 399 TDs for the Colts. The statement insinuates that both Barry and the viewer of the video have thrown 0 TDs for the Colts, which is the same number that John Elway threw. But if it was Peyton Manning watching the video that wouldn’t be true because he threw 399
If Peyton Manning was watching the video then yes it would be incorrect. That was the joke. Because Peyton Manning is probably not watching this video. So the statement is correct
@@willjohnson1602 so you're saying that John Elway threw touchdowns as a member of the Indianapolis Colts... 🧐 That's interesting, so how many touchdowns did he throw then?
Love these compilation videos...just wish for this one you started just a little earlier. I think there's a lot to say about the 1969 first overall pick! Maybe he deserves his own video, idk.
How does drafting Manning and trading him for Philip Rivers get you an F? Just because he refused to play on the Chargers doesn't mean it was a bad draft. They also got 3 draft picks for him.
I agree. If a team trades a #1 pick, the value of that trade should be considered instead of just slapping an F on the pick since the team never used the player. It's pretty silly not to evaluate the value of the trade actually.
When I first read the title I got excited, because my Uncle Tommy Nobis was the number 1 pick in 1966 and had a HOF worthy career. Needless to say I was disappointed when I read the title again
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty, this list makes me super sad for Jags fans. I wouldn't even know who to put in mine between Bob Lily, Roger Staubach, Randy White, Drew Pearson, Tony Dorsett, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and, of course, Tom Landry.
Baker Mayfield might very well be remembered as the guy who had more commercials than touchdowns or even wins. Seriously, I feel like I see him in at least one new commercial every week. If you ask Siri who leads the league in commercials, and it doesn't respond with "Baker Mayfield", along with a link to each and every commercial he's in, it really should. I think he's in at least a dozen or so. Not bad for a guy who seems to have done precious little on the field, eh?
It's amazing how much importance teams putting getting up in the draft considering how seldom top picks turn into good.players, let alone franchise changers.
That’s why the smart ones trade down you’re just as likely to get a good or even great player later elway Peyton manning and Andrew luck are like once a decade type guys. High draft picks used to be even worse before they restructured the rookie deals
Got unbelievably enraged at the Joe Burrow B- at first until i realized the video is old and pre-playoff run. It's still very offensive I'd say B+ personally, and could *maybe* be persuaded into just a B, but i do respect that his rookie season was an absolute let down because of the injury. If we included this playoff run, ESPECIALLY if Cincinnati actually gets their first lombardi then he automatically jumps to an A, I would say.
Whoa! Jim Plunkett D-? Are you serious? TD-INT ratio in the 1970's was not like it is today. You need to revisit that. Okay, now I can watch the rest of the video.
I initially thought that too but you have to realize that this rating is based on the player's performance with the team that drafted him. He didn't do anything with the Buccaneers. He was known more for his Raiders stuff
Ki-Jana Carter is really the incomplete that turned into an F. The one guy on the list that nobody will ever really know for certain what his career would have been.
…would have been interesting to see your rating given for the team that they were chosen by followed by a rating for their career…this came to mind because of Jim Plunkett and Eli Manning Cutter & Ms C
My take on tlaw is that he has not played well but it’s hard to do when your offensive line gets folded a third of a second into every play. We will likely see some good numbers out of him in the future but I don’t think anything good will come out of his career if he stays in Jacksonville
NFL is definitely my 3rd favorite league to follow but these videos you post are great. I always look forward to your weekly reviews and these miscellaneous videos.
I think what I learned most about this, is Barry McCockiner definitely does not like the Cowboys. His grades for their first-round picks are laughable. Troy Aikman never left Dallas, won three Super bowls for them, and is in the Hall of Fame, but is not an A+? Russell Maryland also won three super bowls with them and dominated at his position, but is a C? give me a break.
For real. Aikman kept "better" qb's like Farve and Young from winning a lot more Superbowls by out playing them in the playoffs. Cowboys were dogs against San Francisco in 92, and Aikman came out and took care of business. He may not have had MVP seasons, but half the time the guy was concussed, or just handing it off to Emmit and not making mistakes. To say he wasn't an A+ is pretty insulting.
Ricky bell did have one good season. I was surprised to see him get an f while Tim couch got a d. Ricky bell helped the bucs go to the nfc championship while Tim couch went to the playoffs once but he didn’t even start.
I dont understand how 9ers getting smith instead of Rodgers cost them a few super bowls when Rodgers has been on better teams and won 1… He also was able to sit behind Favre which I really believe helped him.
Maybe it's just because I'm a GenXer Mainer with a bent for nostalgia but my gut memory would have been at least a B- for Irving Fryer. But i would also give Bledsoe an A-. Did I miss Matt Stafford winning two Conference championship games?
Barry: "Elway is one of the greatest Quarterbacks in NFL history but he ended up throwing as many touchdown passes for the Colts as you and me" Peyton Manning (Who I know watches your channel): "Hey! Not 'me' buddy."
Him talking about Luck: "It still hurts that he's not playing" Me: Well it hurt him TO play thanks to the fact he was on his back for most of the games he played
Its amazing how often teams picked RBs as the first overall pick in the 70s and 80s you could pretty much copy and paste the same bio.... looked good, started well, got injured.....
Had Carolina & Indy protected Cam Newton and Luck & built around them better than they did, we’d be talking about them like we do Peyton/Brady in the 2000s
The Eli Manning draft grade is an A in my book because while Manning never took a snap in San Diego, the Chargers traded him for Hall of Famer Phillip Rivers, Shawn Merriman who was briefly one of the most dominant players in the NFL and a kicker who I shall not name to spare the feelings of Charger fans. Not a bad haul for a player who had no desire to play for you
@@gopack2k, those numbers are meaningless simply because he played so long. He didn't do anything special in his career and had no real impact on the NFL as a whole. He is not in the same category as Brees, Rodgers, and Ben.
@@MaddDogg316 He played so long because he was a top 5 QB in the league for 10+ years. The only thing he's missing is titles which are overrated for HOF imo. I can see why he comes up short for some people but the reality is that he's going to make it.
As a Broncos fan, all I learned was that: 1) We never had the first overall pick, and 2) Our best QB's both came from the Colts. Do you think we can get Andrew Luck out of retirement for a few years in Denver?
I feel so bad for David Carr on a human level. I haven’t see him lately but if he can still walk, talk, and be cogent for the next 20 years, I’d be surprised [and very happy]. He got rocked in there every game.
If you can find it, Alex Smith gave a Ted Talk. The great majority was about Smith's horrible leg injury and his recovery. Great stuff. Alex Smith is a good human.
The thing about Troy Aikman’s regular season stats is that football outsiders is really high on his peak years. He was in the top five in DVOA in each of 1991-95 and ranked first overall in 1993 and 1995. If not for Emmitt Smith having an overwhelming amount of goal-to-go touchdowns Aikman’s career would be even more favorable.
