Gran Turismo 2: CHEATING AI 

atleast all the other races are beatable, unlike this mf-40 in rome

I knew the AI cheats. Nobody believed me. They all thought I was crazy.

My theory is the AI isnt as good at cornering as a real player and during testing they realised it was too easy. So they ramped the horsepower up to compensate

Opponents= *uses GTLM or LM cars* Xantia driver= it's fine,ill race anyways

MORE LIKE CHEA-T40 AMIRITE

I can hear BK4 is typing Edit : He's There! Pinned comment!

The amount of times I spent as a kid buying the car that was dominant in a race to beat it only to still be beaten by the car still. ***Controller has exited window successfully***

Ever since I was a kid I knew something was up with the AI in GT2. I specifically remember buying a Honda CRX Si-R for one of the beginner events. It was at Tahiti Road and I was up against some slow little kei cars. Should've been easy, right? Nope. No matter how hard I pushed in the corners the AI would fly past me on the straightaways. They'd even out accelerate me uphill. In their puny little kei cars! Thank you for confirming my suspicions. Great work as always!

To be fair from the CPU's perspective the humans are the cheaters. We can move off the racing line. Make tactical decisions. Hell, even restart if we lose! We're so OP!

That race with the Vector is unexpectedly heart-pounding. I sat on the edge of my seat the whole race. I expected you to beat it with dirty methods like ramming it off the track (after all we're talking 300+ hp difference here), but no, it's legit racing and pit tactics. And it's good to see that vector get beaten, as I never managed to win that race myself. Kudos to you, good sir..

I really respect the amount of research and work that go into these videos. You drive every car in every event just to show how unfair the ai is. Thanks again!

Welcome to the Salty Spittoon. How tough are ya? How tough am I? I won every race on Gran Turismo 2 NTSC ver 1.0 Yeah, so? Without any tuning Uh, right this way, sorry to keep you waiting.

GT40 on Rome is the biggest cheater ever!

Only a Yellow Evo 5 can beat the GT40 around Rome

What impresses me about this is the fact that these AI cars have horsepower values at all. This must mean they drive themselves in a more player-like way than other similar games. For instance, the Toca Touring Car games have 2 set lines around the track, and with defined maximum and minimum speeds at various points.

23:29 it isnt cheating, its just takumi driving it

Ford GT40: You cannot defeat me. Me: I know, but he can. *Yellow Evo 5*

20:16 GT2 was released in '99. the evo 7 was released in 2001. the ai cheated by basically breaking the laws of time, allowing them to get a car that didn't exist then edit: 21:03 1 bhp away from perfection

_Two devs at Polyphony_ : "Hey man, I think we got an issue." -"What is it?" "Our AI is rather crap, they can't compete with the player all that well." -"Tried rubber banding?" "Ech, doesn't really work." -"Just give the AI higher powered variants of some cars to balance it out and make it more challenging." "I don't know, that will make quite a lot of cars exceed the BHR limit at some events, which is kinda cheating." -"Just do it, trust me. People will complain it's too easy." 5:18 - It's funny these two cars race each other. Lotus/Chapman designed the car in a bid for the... Ford GT40 project! 14:14 - I think the Wiki says that if you switch languages from any in the PAL version to English, you can race both Opel and Vauxhall. Apparently even the completion percentage gets higher than it should. 14:34 - Probably the only race it would ever win(and still didn't against you), it was a crappy attempt at a GT2 car. Drove 3 times, retired 3 times, then got converted into it's successor. That means both the Vectors shown are cheaters too :P 10:11 - Doesn't it say VI(6) instead of VII(7) though? 23:10 - 24:16 - So we effectively have Initial D and Over Rev! cheaters here, Itsuki, Takumi and Ryoko Shino. The power advantage of the Eight-Six isn't wrong though, that's just Takumi as the AI ;) 30:45 - 31:23 - Great, now it's a bit of Sailor Moon(a never made Coupe version of the 2000 GT shows up there) abd Wangan Midnight. 35:53 - 36:10 - éX-Driver car now aswell. 41:15 - Doesn't that say '91 though? Those Tommykairas seem to be the "popular" choice(alongside Clios, GT40s and Elises for example) by the devs as cheat car.

this video is the comfiest. if you could smell videos this one would smell like a coffee in a mug

14:32 when you lied on your resume but you got the job anyway

Still the best car roster after 20 years.

(I just lost my very little (for once) wall of text by mistake, so i'm not gonna rewrite it) Great video! TL/DR of my previously lost comment is: The game only uses power multipliers and tires on all cars, except for the Test Course opponents that also have a full race transmission for speed. That means the TK M30 is NA! Because it becomes a Turbo car when you upgrade it. Also, the Logo and the Pirus both have a CVT so it's not alone. And I forget what my 3rd point was lol Oh yeah, the GT40's a tough opponent because even though cars don't have proper tuing, it's still a race car at heart with decent suspension, grip and weight.

If you see a GT40, bring a Yellow Lancer EVO V to terminate it

12:50 i wouldnt call that a mis-match just a balls of steel moment

I actually like the hybrid cheats. It gives more challenge. It's just a way to compensate for the AI since they suck at corners and overtaking. Still better than the rubberbanding opponents of need for speed…

I love all this information what you bring us and I didn't know many of them, thanks Matt!

In Gran Turismo 4, there was an event where almost all of the AI cars were illegal, as in, if you try to drive them, the game wouldn’t let you, I think the rule was unmodified cars only, and you couldn’t use things like the Cadillac CIEN and the Volkswagen W12 Nardo, while the AI could.

Dude I love your content so much! GT2 is my absolute favourite and having these in depth videos about it is badass. Thank you for doing what you do!

Ok so I think I said this before but I never had an issue with the Rome cup. I heard about the meme and decided to try to go on my game to see how hard it actually was and I was looking for the event and I couldn’t find it until I found out that I did do it with no issue so idk maybe I got lucky. I think there was a gt40 though.

EA: we have the most unfair racing games thanks to rubberbanding. KazYam: Hold my Ricciardo's shoe champagne. Edit: I guess I hould the typo for too long.

That poor Xantia... Great video as always!

That trial mountain endurance race was a fantastic battle to watch. Very entertaining!

The Viper that keeps spinning in Laguna Seca must be driven by Romain Grosjean

A really interesting look into the data behind GT2, very well presented. Good of you to actually film the hybrid cheaters with you driving the equivalent car, to see how OP the extra power turns out to be. Good on you for proving that the Vector M12 LM can be beaten, as well! Wouldn't have figured the Dodge Concept Car would be that good. One thing that I don't think was addressed in the video or the description: How did you get the BHP values for the AI cars in the first place? There's no obvious display and I can't remember the AI telemetry for GT2 being that detailed. Other than that, the information was interesting and presented neatly. It did get a bit wearing to introduce every car with the "Here's the event HP limit, here's the car's power, that's an increase of XXX HP" format - maybe use percentages, fractions, or hell, entire cars that are equivalent to the HP difference to mix things up a bit. But really, that's nitpicking. Thanks for the research, the video and the nostalgia trip!

No wonder I have a hard time beating those cars when I was a kid, I remember that grueling Grand Valley endurance race. Thanks for touching this topic up.

Great video! Getting excited for Grab Turismo 7? I always wondered why the car wash cost $5000. Never thought to try it!

This happens in test drive 5 too!

Didn't expect to watch all of this... subbed.

This has become a standard in racing games xD

Anybody else remembers getting a "kiddie prize" in a license test? I remember the first time I got one I sat there wondering what the hell that was.

I tend to forget numbers I hear two seconds later, and that was a lot of numbers... Well I still went through it all. Gud video is gud.

I remember when that was amazing graphics and realism

In GT4, the Cadillac Cien and VW W12 Nardo concept can appear in the super car cup, which allows production cars. the Chien and Nardo are Concepts

This reminds me of one day where I was bored, so I picked up a GT40 Race Car, applied the best turbo kit available for the road car and proceeded to smoke the cheater in Rome. Gotta fight fire with more fire.

0:38 - 0:55 *BK4:* "AAAAAAAAAAAA" *_BK4 has left the chat_*

I'm going to go play GT2 and whoop these cheaters' asses. I thought I was a cheater, always using tuning, upgrades, and other similar cheats. I guess the playing field is more level than I thought.

@MattJ155 What emulator are you using as it doesn't look good stretched like that. You should try RetroArch and the Beetle Hardware emulator as it stretches to widescreen while keeping the proportions of the cars correct.

Nice to see, that after all this years somebody cares for Gran Turismo 2 und still make a review a bout the game. It has a lot of flaws but ist still a fantastic game and one of my favorite. Out of curiosity I started the 295 Historic Car Cup against the GT40 a moment ago. Maybe you like to try it out but every time I use the AE86 Trueno tuned to 260hp the GT40 never appeard and the race is easy to win. I tried a least 5times. I also changed between my two Truenos (red and white). Did I use the Skyline (295hp) oder Sileighty (206hp) for example the GT40 appear. I used the 1.2 NTSC version to test.

HE'S THERE!

It's an overall great video, I actually did learn some new things about GT2. I honestly never new the opponents had higher stats like in the Grand Touring Car Trophy, I just assumed they were modded to the hp limit. Though, that's probably because I cheated myself using the Daishin Silvia JGTC, hehe. A similar case with other events in GT2. The only cheating opponent I found troublesome was the Ford GT40 on Rome in the Historic Car Cup, but an upgraded Datsun/Fairlady 240ZG can take care of that.

I'm really enjoying these sorts of videos lately. Good job!

never played GT coz I was only had PC, so I am curious how did you manage to get all the data of oponnent cars?

The Prius also has a CVT in the game

20:14 That's a Lancer Evo 6 actually

There is a 3rd curiosity in GT2 1.0 NTSC, if you go to special events, and highlight the Muscle Car Cup, you notice it has 3 licenses, which are A, IC, and IB licenses, but when you select the category, all races are listed in IA licenses only, this was solved in the 1.2 version, which is now only IA license (not sure if it was solved for 1.1, I don't own it)

How do you manage a massive oversteer in lightweight MR cars like europa (or lotuses, ZZ-S? etc)? I Struggled with them, but it totally usless in my hands because just totally want to spin, especially on the bankings. I test my cars on red rock and 320hp europa has worse best laptime than 250hp miata (that heavier) and much worse average laptime because of unstability. I cant fix this with ESC or TCS, less downforce on front also do car less cornering but it still unstable.

Gran Turismo 2 The Real Loophole Exploit Simulator

oh boy its 46 minutes of cheating cars in gt2

There are cheats in GT4 as well, such as the Cadillac Cien in the Professional Super car race cup thing, you're not allowed to use the car due to "modifications" and that it's horsepower is over the limit too. There's also ways we can cheat the unmodified rules as well, where picking a used car and upgrading using the Tuners section. For some reason it doesn't think you've upgraded so you're allowed to go (pal version btw)

I'm watching this video thoroughly as I am considering getting back into this game with the challenge of collecting every obtainable car in the game. The vector race looks like a really beefy challenge if I go for NTSC 1.0, and watching your guide on beating it was very entertaining.

I miss the old circuits...

Gran Turismo 4 - Opel Speedster race. Check that out. Back in the days it was really difficult to master it for me.

The Xantia driver was just a person coming home from working overtime and he took a wrong turn.

will you do a gt3 and gt4 version? or any other gt versions?

Should try Forza 7 for cheating opponents, this video would be like 2 hours long then.

You can enter a race and still go 5 HP above restrictions. Tune your car to the limit of the HP restriction for that race, enter race and then add the chip which is usually around 5 HP.

Bringing back a lot of memories and frustration. That Supra in the TC races was my bane lol.

oh men i remember that [R]Vector M12 LM Edition entering the endurance run and suddenly just giving 1 lap advantage in less that 8 laps, fucking ridiculous, there were other more but that one marked me the most cuz it was just a reset cycle until it did not enter the race to make it unbeatable, i didn't expect in my lifetime so see someone actually beat that car, i'm really impressed

They also never make mistakes usually. Rubber banding like mad. GT2 AI is terrible nowadays. It's like all the cars stay together as a pack rather than being spread out like later games. It's no surprise they use cheating cars lol.

Thank you! This was very interesting. I had no idea ☺ The following is a major digression, my apologies. I really like the behind car camera in the early GT games. Up to GT3. In GT4 the camera began to get thighter attached to the cars movement. In GT5 it was horrible - every turn was dizzying and awkward. Haven't played GT6 so I can't comment on that one. Luckily in GT SPORT you can adjust this! I was so happy when I found out. It is so much easier to tackle the racingline when I set the parameter to zero. Much like we see here in this video. Personally I think Forza Motorsport series has the near perfect follow car camera. Sorry for ranting, but this has been important to me as I love Gran Turismo! This has been discussed over the years in several forums. I really hope Polyphony implement and develop the camera view options in coming GT games. Thank you for your time and attention. May your journey serve you well ☺

Wait a bit, So there's only 5 racers in the Tahiti road endurance or does it get replaced?

Great video, music and commentary. Must get my PS2 back in track.......miss those GT2 days.

6:24 WHEN THE IMPOSTER IS SUS😳

Meanwhile at 50 laps all night. Driver: Uh Guys... I thought i'll be driving the Vector M12 LM, but this dosen't look very fast to me? Pit crew: [looking at the Citroen Xantia in silent] Team Manager: Ugh... This is why we should'nt have a sponsorship deal with the U.P.S. Driver: •____• .....

Strange how noticeable the SDI badge on the back of the Lupo is at 25:59. Which also contradicts it's name in-game, the SDI is a naturally aspirated 1.7 litre diesel lump (ugh).

Some races in GT4 also have this issue, especially the Supercar Festival. Some opponents are underpowered and some aren't street legal cars.

20:09 - That's an Evo VI (6) fella, a genuine mistake I know but just saying. (;

so - thats - how you pronounce RUF, i've been saying "ruff"

What happend with the hks 180 in the test curse turbo with 1011 bhp ??

I guess this is why the developers allowed you to have the Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak for most of the races :D

0:19 HE'S THERE!

I knew something was off with gt40 race car on GT All star event, especially in Red rock, where it keeps up with toyota gt one. Hybrid cheats aren't really noticable if you use OP cars for the HP, e.g. using race cars or road version of race cars (gt40, r390 gt1, toyota gt one, etc).

In the Tuned Turbo car cup, on test course you can go against the 180sx *drag car* in the PAL version.

Quite the video I wasn't expecting to watch. And who would have thought AI cheating just repeatedly happened in GT4-Supercar Festival has concept cars as AI opponents even the player cannot participate with. Thank god for the possible opponent list from GT5 onwards...

when you're too good you start calling your opponents *T R A F F I C*

So the lesson of the day is that GT40s and their drivers are cheating scumbags! :U Awesome video, I didn't imagined GT2 had so many cheaters, though there were always something that put me off about the cars they drive. This also explains how the RX-7 A-Spec and the Mine's Evo ocassionally smokes the HKS drag cars on the Test Course race sometimes.

I remember I defeated the m12 LM quite easy with dodge neon. using the shortcut near the end of the circuit, I was happy I thought I will win any secret car but turned out it's the same Denso Sard Supra.

the squiggly line before the quoted horsepower means "roughly" or "estimated", maybe that has something to do with it? eg. ~400hp means roughly 400hp

G etting T hrough the maximum power limit 2

I remember there was an event at super speedway where a Mazda protege wagon would always gap me on the last turn. I used a tuned up Aston db5 and then a stock viper rt/10. Once I modded the viper I could beat it. But still....

Another way to tell if you have the NTSC-US 1.0 version is go to Toyota>Used Cars Look for a car called 2000GT GT, it will be in gold. no other version has this gold color from day 1 IIRC

While emulating, how do i get the arcade disc and simulation disc to sync to unlock the stuff in the arcade disc

Absolutely can’t say enough just how good these games are I spent most my childhood on this series all the way until 6 I can’t seem to get into sport for some reason. 4 was just perfect wish I could go back !

Why do you keep saying brake horse power when the game is saying horse power

They are like racing teams irl always finding ways to sneak power into the car and find loopholes in the rules. Or sneak “illegal” cars in the race.

I have a question on "NTSC 1.0" with save file overlap and broken cars?

DON'T SKIP TO 06:24 WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE!

I remember a AI car that crashed in Laguna seca, and trying to get out of there, but all he ended up doing was reversing and then ramming the wall the whole race long at the S turn going downhill

It seemed like every time I went against the Vector Twin Turbo it wouldn’t even be the best car it would still get beaten by the other ai if it was driving a GT40