Think You're Fast in Forza? Think Again 

I am going to fail Novice - 1 repeatedly and there is nothing you can do to stop me 😎

@@kspectre21 there are guides to help you through it now ;)

@@CastHasteRacing No, failure is inevitable Success is nothing but a fantasy

@@kspectre21 well when you get tired of the failure, it's there for you. Fantasy can turn into success with a bit of effort ;) I believe!

@@CastHasteRacing Thank you ;)

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Felt that

Same with controller vs steering wheel.

powerbuilds are RWD or FWD

AWD is worse than RWD in most cases in Rivals, and AWD powerbuilds don’t exist. Powerbuilds are only RWD or FWD.

I miss assist filters for leaderboards, I hate that they took that away

@@HarmGeerts or keyboard

I mostly play on a wheel and absolutely love racing completely stock cars. A few other people I race are on wheels as well, and they thoroughly enjoy the same thing. We ended up making our own leaderboards of vehicle records, seeing who can go the fastest in the exact same vehicle. It's nice, competitive, and is a level playing field. 🙏🏽

@@DaddyCRUDEI find it frustrating how many players just wanna go 300mph

@@HPsawus yeah, I'd rather experience cornering and trying to get around a circuit as fast as possible in a completely stock car! 🤙🏾

I just like turning people into my handbrake loll

@@DaddyCRUDE Agreed 100%

I beat FH1 with only stock cars on hard AI

@PigIlFigo32 Yeah AI were not too bad to beat. But they were fun because they had a specific way to drive for some character. For example Flynt was skipping checkpoint and cutting corners. What I thought was harder, were the outpost challenges like: Not hitting anything for 2 min straight while keeping the speed over 360km/h or 224 mph. Especially on "S" shaped roads like we had in Forza Horizon 1

You arent alone but a vocal minority.

@warfarelover1 It was a special experience. Did you get the chance to try FH1?

There are plenty of videos talking about how FH4 and FH5 have regressed in many aspects compared to 1,2 and 3. Some of these aspects regarding progression are sadly not exclusive to the Forza series, and many other new games share the same problem. I miss the old NFS entries too. I had watched a few of these videos just a couple of days ago and wrote this comment, so I will paste it back here: FH5 gets the driving right, and then messes everything else up. It's like the game is constantly trying to distract you and keep you from driving. - Story-wise, you get treated as a star right from the introduction, there's no build-up and nothing to achieve. The game starts right away with long and unskippable cutscenes, and boring events where you just have to follow an arrow for 15 minutes until you reach the end. - Progression-wise, there is none. You start with all 3 cars regardless of your choice and the Corvette is already a powerhouse. Then you open up your mailbox and receive tons of top tier cars for no reason, or you can receive them randomly on a level up roulette. And since most of the progression, and even gaining credits, are tied to wheelspins, there is little to no incentive to turning off the driving assists to earn a bit more credits per race. The bonus amount is largely irrelevant. - The UI is completely unintuitive and full of long and cumbersome animations and loading screens. Switching cars and tuning them is a chore. If you download a tune from another user, you're not able to change any aspects of it for no reason, so if you want to make a change you have to start your own from scratch. You can't tune a car outside of your house, so if you're planning on testing more than a single car, you have to tune all of them at once before you drive off to the events. Everything is locked behind meaningless animations and having to go back to your house. The game's obvious push for DEI doesn't help it either, but I guess that's expected from modern Microsoft.

those work well in trackmania because everyone drives the same car. in forza, even a single car with different tunes can result in massively different laptimes even assuming perfect driving.

@@0xGRIDRUNRCreators could set a lap in one of their own cars and let players drive it too, much like in the Super 7 events

@@ggj1987 even then the issue would persist, unless somehow the devs know what the entire meta is ahead of time which is never gonna happen lmao

This worked in project Gotham racing 2

Forza have cheaters who take the track for 1 second so this is cheater contest

If you ever want to jump into clean racing leagues (which arent 100% tryhard hubs) I recommend hoki's htcc and racing haven, you always get clean racing, and if dirtiness ever happens, there are dedicated race control teams to handle it :)

Depends on a few factors because there's no ways a CCGT or Mosler is beating the Brabham in S2. So unless you have the meta cars, you probably aren't bad

@@valkeitos True, but even with meta cars I still have trouble cracking into the 1000s. So it’s not just the car and/or tune that makes the really fast players fast, it’s the brake, throttle, and steering control. I’ve greatly improved brake and throttle control just by really taking time to learn how to tune (within Forza physics anyway) which has given me a much better understanding of weight transfer. Aside from consistency lap to lap, I find the hardest thing to do is manage steering angle with the controller. I’m definitely better than I was, but I find it much harder to drive proper racing lines with the controller. With that said, I also acknowledge that I never played any kind of racing game until a few months after FH5 released. Trying to compare my “skills” to someone like Hoki or ESV mars, etc is not a fair comparison because they’ve been playing these types of games FAR longer than I have….but I have much higher expectations of myself and like to compete so I don’t like to fall back on that excuse.

​​​​@@valkeitoskinda true, it depends on the driver. Also depends on the track. Most times brab can gain .5 - 2 seconds on ccgt and mosler is track dependent. Unless you're against people who are really really good, if you have the skill you can use either car on the tracks they are respectively strong on to beat brabham. Ofc it's an advantage, I'm not denying that. Just saying it's not as cut and dry as you're making it out to be unless you're against really good players as a really good player.

@@kennedy31I’ve found that by looking as far forward into the track as I could, my steering and throttle application became much smoother and more efficient. Hopefully that helps but just take your time.

I'm usually in the top 1% at least in forza motorsport. I'm about 1 second behind per lap on the top people. So I'd say I'm still a relatively quick racer

exactly what a loser would say

That sounds like the right idea.

So you care. Either a lot or a little bit we just can't tell

I like experiencing cars that I'll never get the chance to drive real world. Even IF I could afford to buy a different car every month, it would take decades to work through every one offered in FH5 (or any of the other iterations). If the experience isn't exact, I'll never know. So, I just assume it is, and let the smiles happen.

people get real mad when you lock people out of meaningful content on a time and skill basis, but the reaction to that is often toxic af too. see discourse about darksouls. lots of people play for mindless fun rather than for mastery and it's tough to remain fair to both groups. Hard modes are played by tiny minorities of players so it doesn't make business sense for most places to spend resources to cater to the top end of mastery players. Capitalism probably isn't going anywhere so you're not going to find games that make that kind of demand of players or put lots of resources into getting people to actually try unless somebody is making money on esports and they actually manage to build a farm system like minor league baseball.

solution imo is to have both low hanging and high hanging fruit. Both should have reasonable rewards. There would goals such as "drive every road" or "own every car" that the casal gamer can chase AND achieve, and lets say the reward is something like a forza edition car. You are being rewarded for time spent versus skill. Then there would be the more exclusive rewards, locked behind skill based goals. This can be exclusive liveries, custom options for the car, or even a prize only meant for the select few like a 1% exclusive prize. This is being rewarded for skill displayed over time played. Both tiers of goals should be desirable, but the one that is clearly more strenuous should reward better. Inversely, this system could still remain 2 tiers of rewards, but instead work like a "battle pass", or race day pass instead. You can unlock goals by either committing time and unlocking game play milestones (play 100 hours, time spent in first place, etc) OR complete skill gates to unlock them (beat x amount of unbeatable podium drivers, complete braking challenge on x tracks. Players have the option as to HOW they want to unlock milestones. Both are grinds, but both require a different approach to unlock.

> put them out of reach for the players that can't find the time Enter, limited-time playlist exclusive cars. I don't mind earning rewards through effort. The playlist isn't that. It's check in, get cars. Or miss out if you happen to have a busy week. What I'm trying to say is, the thing you mentioned is already there in the game. So PG really can't should be able to use that as an excuse.

This right here is how youtube comment sections should be actual conversations based off the content

Same here. Even after 3k+ hours of mainly rivals and racing, I can't get near them. Just don't have it in the fingers 🤷‍♂️

if we take teamwars players as 3000 people (its less) and then the amount of non competitive horizon players lets say its 2 million (its more) its more like 0.0015% or even less

@@razkinzmangowurzel I didn't want to say a super small % just bc I might have been wrong and I didn't have the time to properly calculate things but yeah that's probably right

@@NDL_Silva yeah i get u, was just reinforcing ur point really

@@razkinzmangowurzel Well, we do know that there r also people who r fast but not there in TW. But assuming all the fast guys r all TW members, yes

Author time wouldn't be as useful because not everyone is in the same car

i looked into it a little and the biggest problems with unbeatable are the PI system and the starting grid. You can do better than the 1st place car but since you started 6 seconds behind in a 3 lap race you need to not only match the computer you have to beat it by like 5 seconds per lap. The other thing that can happen is if you're using a handling build on a top speed race or the like, a NIO EP9 or hotwheels BTTB isn't going to keep up with the AI moslers and brabhams unless they throw hard after the suspension bridge, some races none of the other vintage racers will keep up with an AI maserati 8ctf, and running anything on chihuahua or bola ocho will have a hard time getting through all the traffic in s2 but it's worse for a rimac. unbeatable would be significantly easier if you had the pole or even if ghosting was on for the first minute like online.

Some S2 class races on unbeatable are pretty close to unbeatable. If you see a drivatar in the Hoonigan RS200 for example...just give up. The AI breaks physics in order to pose a sterner challenge. This is something Turn 10 acknowledged in their Forza Motorsport event. They said the new FM will be the first installment where the AI will drive based on skill alone, which tells us what we've known all along, that the AI gets given some assists by the devs in order to be competitive at the hardest difficulties, and I'm almsot certain the same is true in Horizon.

@@thesprawl2361 nah i'm usually not troubled by the ai on offroad s2 but i'm in a rimac c2 for that most of the time and catch up by the third corner

@@kaiserruhsam No, I'm talking about S2 on road. Certain cars on unbeatable(whatever the hardest AI is called) are basically broken. Sometimes it's the Hoonigan RS200, sometimes it's the CCGT, it doesn' make any sense because one of those cars is much less of a racecar than the other, but there've been one or two times when I've had to rewind and ram the AI to even get near to first.

@@thesprawl2361 oh huh that's wild. i can't remember the last time i saw an rs200 in a road or street race

At least they do flag dirty laps.

So everyone smacks you first corner since theres no punishment?

omg hi

@@ESV_Green OMG GREN

There are no AI/Tyre wear improvement in FM8

ur getting there man, uve improved significantly while ive known u

(xwingmike here) TBH, I haven't even made the jump to driving Manual or Manual W/ Clutch yet, which is yet another massive barrier to competitive racing. So long as I find myself among the top 2-3 automatic times within the club's Rivals, I'm happy. That said, I haven't paid much attention to rivals in a long while, and this video was a bit eye opening.

@@razkinzmangowurzel lol thanks, progress is slow but I'm getting there ;)

@@michaelrincon3104 Hey Xwing 👋 I jumped to Manual soon after the FH5 release and now I can't go back, it's easy once you get it down but Automatic served me well for many years. I normally do Rivals for fun nowadays and to see how I stack up, it's quite nice to improve just by challenging your own times and seeing where you went wrong

The best thing to do, I've found, is spend some time online on the volcano looking for a lobby with some decent racing convoys in it. Measure yourself against them until you find one that's whipping you, then make friends with them so you can measure your times against them in Rivals.

Facts. Hot wheels, horizon adventure, Goliath, car meets, playground games, cruising, rally adventure, drifting, painting, all kinda stuff.

I found the twin Mill to be a very great handling car with decent speed.

@@br4nd0nx_x bro twin mill is just about the single worst handing car in forza

Honestly even top 100 times can have 10 second or more gaps from 1st to 100th. It really depends on how popular the track is tbh

big if true

Proof, or it didn't happen

@@HokiHoshi it was on the Joya Marron time trial (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nLEYFFDNFxQ.html), i think he like was #25 or something. It was joke but it was also true

The cheating AI really forces you to drive dirty to pass the final unbeatable drivatar on a lot of tracks, unfortunately.

@@blisterbrain Thanks for the confirmation. I've noticed that, especially in rally races. It also doesn't help that you start in the back, allowing the pole drivatar to pull away as you negotiate the pack. One race I restarted a dozen or so times. The lead drivatar and I were 150ish meters ahead of the field. Eventually, I just said "screw it," and instead of setting up my line for the final 70-degree corner, I just let it rip and t-boned the drivatar as it was making the turn. That was on Pro--the problems only compound on Unbeatable. It's not fun to focus on disrupting the drivatars instead of actual good driving