Grand Seiko vs. Omega (A Debate). 

Absolutely love your videos, especially these involving debate of two notable brands - an active discussion about popular icons in Omega and Grand Seiko is great, and I appreciate points on both sides of the table 👍

I always appreciate the thoughtful insights from the both of you, it’s always a treat to watch.

Only just came across you guys recently, great content delivered in an accurate amusing way. Keep it going. Also your open letter to Breitling was incredible.

Love your content. Eager to see actual watch reviews every once in awhile!

Very interesting debate. I always had my eye on an Omega but when push came to shove I opted for a GS primarily because of the technology and the finishing. It threaded the needle between dress and casual for me. I do like that Globemaster and it may make a perfect addition to my two watch collection and I would have a complete three watch collection.

GS and Omega are my favorite two brands, and own both. I'd take a slightly different tack and say it's apples and oranges, both having their place and complementing each other extraordinarily in a collection. GS makes astounding dress watches and dressy GADAs that are just head and shoulders above anything this side of holy trinity particularly in their level of hand craftsmanship (dials, dial furniture, zaratsu finishing). That's not Omegas thing at all. Omega makes some of the GOAT sport watches, mass produced, go to the moon or the Mariana Trench, or for that matter the Olympics. GS will never catch Omega's legacy in sports in a hundred years, and Omega could never devote the time and energy to even touch GS quality without seriously repositioning themselves, which they have no reason to do. So on my wrist, it's SMP300 for a daily sports watch, GS SGBA201 for just a ridiculously classy dress GADA. Great video and thoroughly enjoyed this discussion!

I love these kind of videos. Keep up the great work!

Love this type of content. I am not in the position to purchase either brand, but I still enjoy learning from experts. Please keep it up.

Love your videos. Always look forward to them every time I get the notification. I have a GS and am thinking about getting a speedy as I’m not willing to overpay for those damned Daytonas

Love this channel, always so insightful, you guys have inspired me to wear more dress watches everyday

I have been the biggest fan of your channel . Keep killing it with the oxfords and chubbies . You really got me addicted to watches and I recently just purchased a 1998 birthday speedy . Completely in love with it . Thank you for all the videos and love . NH

A lot of great points presented guys. What’s your take on the Evolution 9 GMTs? I personally feel those were their 1-2 punch to the sports watch that really blues the line between sports and dress much like Rolex gmt does.

Great video. Commented for the competition. Big fan of the channel. Keep it up. And brown Jordaan loafers would be the choice.

Props on the Breitling video, I hope you will give us an update should something interesting happen with that situation.

Thanks for the great content. Just subscribed to your podcast!

I've tried hard to love GS and am completely open-minded to them, but like many others here the aesthetics of their watches just don't appeal to me. And I completely respect the quality of their watches - I'm just waiting for them to take that craftsmanship and produce a model that I can't resist! Omega, on the other hand, has many references I'd love to own.

Great video idea! The GS v Omega debate is a very interesting one.

One of the things that I have always admired about Grand Seiko is the no compromise type of attitude that they have. It is the type of mindset that delivers amazing product at the relatively acceptable price. The mindset that the Japanese have towards creating product is one of the many things I admire from them and I am always astounded by the level of details that they do towards their products at Grand Seiko.

Love the debate. Interesting topic. Love how “beat” was defined do the debate stayed practical and meaningful.

You guys always make my day with these videos!

Always a good day when a new T&H video drops

I’ve always wanted a Grand Seiko. On another note, I recently subscribed on Instagram and some of the reels are hilarious. 🤣 I love this channel and all the great content.

Great video and topic. I love grand seiko and excited to see them making smaller sizes!

I’d get vintage GS or King Seiko, such a cool story about the factories competing even if it’s embellished; also my family has a seiko streak running from my dad buying himself and his dad a seiko, and then myself doing the same for my dad.

You both had great points. I really enjoy your content.

Great video, I'm a new subscriber and i love your videos

Grand Seiko’s quality to price ratio is really top notch. And they retain their value extremely well.

Excited for the future of watches. Hope Grand Seiko improves their bracelets/clasps soon.

Very interesting debate. A lot to consider here.

I have the sbga407 and love it. I thought I would use it formal settings only, but have found that I’m wearing it as much as my diver. Love it. Perfect in a 2 watch collection

Very insightful conversation.

I have had my eye on grand seiko for a long time. The textured dials are incredible. Definitely have to pick one up in the near future.

amazing content. ive been watching you and your companies growth since anna. keep liquor run going please. yours truly

Everything else aside: I've been to almost every major watch boutique in London and the level of attention, luxury, and service in the GS boutique in comparison to everything else was remarkable. I own an Omega, but the experience of just BROWSING at the GS boutique makes me want to buy that as my next watch.

need more podcasts than once a week!!

Love the channel!

Another great vid! I must say, GS is an incredible brand, but I believe that omega will absolutely dominate the mass market for the foreseeable future. I do also think that GS will continue to gain popularity and will reach higher levels, but omega is ingrained so deep in the hobby that it would be very difficult for GS to overtake them.

Very well thought out pros and cons on two very good watch brands. I'm now liking Grand Seiko more now than ever before, but I'll still pick Omega for the time being. Thank you for keeping the watch community informed.

Great debate and perspectives I respect both brands but the quality and time put into GS puts them above in my eyes

When I first got into watches, I didn't pay GS any attention. I just thought they were very sporty high end Seikos. Now I've learnt more and explored their elegance line, I think they are producing the best looking dress watches, definitely at their price point, and maybe beating some brands at a much higher price point.

Just got off work...cant wait to get my coffee and relax and watch!!!😎⌚️✌️Thanks guys....

Great debate. On point. GS for the win though

I would argue both sides of this point… GS was my first watch and I LOVED it, but I eventually sold it for an omega which I still wear. All points are valid 🤷🏻‍♂️

Great takes, both brands are great in their own way.

Love the video, I can see myself getting a GS eventually however I've always seen Omega as superior

Dude love the John call out!

Interesting debate. In the end, I think it all comes downs to what the “winning” criteria are.

This is literally the only channel I have notifications turned on for

Great video, loving the podcast too. I personally love both brands and wish them both success over rolex

Wow this one is tough. There are things I really like about both. Hopefully I can own one of each in the future.

Agreed! For a dress watch, I’m actually debating between grand Seiko and Cartier… and that’s the extent of my desire for grand Seiko 🤷🏻‍♂️

Omega was my first luxury watch and that emotional attachment is far too strong for me. That being said, experiencing Grand Seiko's in person is incredible. Not just the intricacy of the dials, but the entire boutique experience.

GS makes too many great watches.. smaller tighter catalog (the rolex model) would promote more interest and recognizable models. People who are new to the brand can get lost in a decision and in the meantime purchase a speedy (guilty). I agree they need work on the sports line. Would love to see another SE watch like the Godzilla maybe samurai or Japanese sword related. Thanks for the great video.

Love the chemistry you guys have. Even when your your not getting on the point you still sound interesting...staying on point, for me grande seiko Will always be to big, or too shinny or too dressy. I think Omega designs would always look more apealing, specially the reissue ones.

Nice video! Love to see "other brands" getting attention.

Great video as always!

I recently got my first big boy watch. I wanted to go with GS as I was always fascinated with Japan. But the reps didn’t look enthusiastic and were just pushing to buy the watch rather than just present the watch. I went to omega boutique in Las Vegas and I had a blast with everyone at boutique and ended up getting the seamaster 300. But the itch is still there and I guess next bonus will be going towards a GS.

Was thinking of adding a Grand seiko sbgm 221 GMT or paying way over the odds for a Rolex Pepsi ,thoughts?

Love the videos!

As much as I love both brands, I think it's nearly impossible that GS can release a sportwatchs that rivals (in appeal) to a Speedmaster or a Seamaster. Great video guys!

I agree with Michael, lacking the excitement factor is one of the largest “downsides” of Grand Seiko.

Love the Iron Snail and el Jefe! I agree that the thing holding GS back is the lack of a great sports watch. For me, GS options are always best on a leather band, but if you want the versatility of having something on a SS band… they fall short. Undeniably beautiful watches though.

Also, I’ve tried so hard to love Grand Seiko but I fell in love with mechanical watches (via Theo and Harris) and really enjoyed Omega’s quality and mainly the history of the company. My first watch was a Nomos Orion followed by an Omega Seamaster Aquaterra. Maybe one day, Grand Seiko, just not now.

Theo and Harris is much more than just watches. Great channel!

Grand seiko needs more content showcasing and explaining their history even as it relates to seiko. The content they put out a few years back beautifully displayed their craftsmanship and gave an inside look into their build process and facilities, that’s what sold me on grand seiko, but not enough to commit to buying their product. More content from them may push someone like me over the threshold to purchase. What better company to hire than Theo and Harris. GS call these guys!

Love that shirt Christian

Easier said than done, but I’d love to see Grand Seiko featured as the next Bond watch. New actor, new direction for the series, big opening for a watch company that has been killing it through a pandemic.

😂 those debate tactics

Long time fan since day one when Christian talked in his parents back yard about the credibility of archieluxury😂 I really appreciate your professional evolution, from pure watch making over to marketing and everything that goes with it. And not afraid do throw punches at the big boys, keep it up👀

😂 jokes aside, which watch is the taiwan special edition? I can’t seem to find any information on that

Now that is an interesting idea! GS gaining market share by going straight at each Swiss brand’s undisputed heavyweight. A Speedmaster alternative that is a better value, a submariner alternative that is actually available for purchase, etc etc.

I guess I am your biggest fan! I could watch you guys 24/7…😊❤️

Good debate, thanks.

Im still fairly new to watches, although im now 3 seiko's deep. I think my progression will eventually lead me to Grand Seiko, they have had some stunning pieces.

Loved this dialogue. I already kind of see Grand Seiko in a similar light to JLC. Extremely fine watches; super premium movement with nearly unbeatable finishing. They have a few things holding them back but I agree that their greatest road block is lack of a good sports watch line. They simply dont, not cant, compete with other brands that do have them. Beautiful dress watches, stunning and an incredible value proposition. Dress watches just aren't really popular right now.

Great video to Breitling 👍 it would be nice to get an update on their response to your video

Fun thought exercise, highlighted what is really great about both brands. To me, anything is possible, but not anything is probable. Omega would have to make a lot of poor decisions, consistently; and Grand Seiko would have to make a lot of very strategically good (and lucky) decisions, very consistently. Even then… What brands are next for debate?

We have an Omega boutique near me… it’s very nice - beautiful watches and friendly, well informed salespeople. That being said I went into the GS boutique in London and it was beyond amazing. Watch out GS is figuring it out. My next watch will be a GS.

I’m thinking about buying a Grand Seiko SBG with the quartz movement over an Omega because the price wins. I can get one brand new significantly under the official RRP, and there are no Omegas at that price point.

I visited my local design district with all the watch shops and I was so ready to go with GS. But when I got to the store and put them on the watches felt kinda flat, also I guess the rep wasn't as enthusiastic and, side note, no financing option. When I got to Omega the reps really walked me through everything made me fall in love with the speedmaster and aqua terra.

I love both these brands and have grails in both collections this is an interesting debate

Great bud guys!

Would love to see this debate revisited in about 10-15 years' time.

Very interesting topic! I completely agree with Michael about GS sports models, they are not as interesting as their heritage line and this is why I think Omega is ahead right now (even though my next big purchase is probably going to be a GS :D )

Excited for thr giveaway!

Love the videos. You both mentioned these companies are very much clearly at different points in their development and are a far way away from being actual competitors. I think Christian said once that watch companies think in decades. "The best way to predict the future is to study the past"-Kiyosaki As you both know a lot about watch history and vintage watches, I think the future videos in this format could benefit from a historical view. How did seiko/omega beat competitors in the past? How has design ethos of the sports watch changed over the past 30 years? Could that margin of change benefit be big enough to make a GS design language of nature be very impactful in a future filled with environmental turmoil? Again love the content and attention to detail. Watching these videos always makes me smile at my little accutron.

Been watching since the wind reviews with your father. Bring back that series.

These videos are great, but the full length podcasts are better!

love both brands!

Defining the "beat" is key. Own the frame, own the deal.

The cinematography and production value in your manufacturer pieces is second to none.

I belive they aim at different customers, who value different things in watches. I'd love to have omega sportswatch and GS dresswatch as a kit!

Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the latest GS limited edition releases are in Thailand, not Taiwan. (Koke-iro/SBGH303, Nami/SBGY021, Hikari/SBGY025)

Love you guys and your conversations. I am a big fan of Grand Seiko and I also love Omega too. I think Grand Seiko is way more affordable and punches way above its price in terms of value. Omega is nice too but they are more expensive, less accurate, and frankly, heritage just doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather have precision and engineering advancements than heritage look and feel.

Im actually curently strugeling to decide if i want to buy a GS Winter or an Omega Globemaster as my first Luxury piece. Would love any Input.

I'm going with both... currently own the Grand Seiko Tentagraph and Snowflake. Planning on buying the Omiwatari as well. But my next watch will be the Omega Speedmaster Moon Phase Sedna Gold (brown strap) version. Then it'll be a Rolex Diver of some sort... Then a holy trinity grail watxh like Audemars Piguet Royal Oak... Oh... and I have a selection of G-Shock MRG watches which I also love 😊❤ 🇬🇧

Someone once said, buy a Rolex to impress others, buy a Grand Seiko to impress yourself...enough said.

A lot of good points this episode.

At this point Theo and Harris are probably the most quality producer of watch content on RU-vid

You’re absolutely right that Grand Seiko needs to market themselves better with storytelling. I consider myself a watch nerd but I haven’t come across any of their history in my research these past few years. I’m sure it’s somewhere but it’s not easily known, certainly not as obvious as Omega with the Moon, Bond and the Olympics. Also… you’re experts at marketing yourselves as storytellers! I’d love to see how you’d make a commercial for them like you did for Breitling!