Well it's not ENTIRELY his fault.He started it,no doubt about that,but McGuckett really only needed it once, it's his fault he kept using it for petty things.
@@xqueen1234 I think he kept using it because of all the weird things that he kept seeing around the town, always reminding him of what he saw through that portal. Like with Stan, as long as you have something that’ll help you remember what you forgot, McGucket would’ve never forgotten about the other side of that portal.
@@Rick-ty9ky damn i guess there were some epic shit through that portal but.. idk. ford spent years there and he came back just fine. maybe just mcgucket was a soft man
@@cesartheguy9413 one thing also funny in the end when mcgucket makes a triangle with his fingers which means he never actually got rid of bills memories with that machine but erased everything else, including his sanity
@@snowhunter7536 cause probably when ford met Bill the first time he wasn't creeped out by it and of course the other monsters he's been finding and logging on his journal
@@snowhunter7536 It's probably because either Bill (or the creatures that would later become his army) intentionally drove Fiddleford insane, or held himself (themselves?) back when Ford came through. He speaks backwards when he comes through, something we really only see in relation to Bill. Or maybe it was just incomprehensible and Fiddleford wasn't prepared.
He also says "YROO XRKSVI GIRZMTOV", which is a cipher for "BILL CIPHER TRIANGLE". It's the same thing he says when he accidentally gets sucked into the portal in Stan's backstory episode.
@@alexlovelady8249 you know I find it weird no one theorized that the society of the blind eyes had a major factor is stopping bill cause think about if someone started finding the mysteries and go crazy they would've found him
I remember back in the day when a "leaked" picture of McGucket showed him writing in a Journal and everyone believed that he was the Author. Good times
I think part of that could be not taking care of himself while going insane but it is weird that his hair goes pure old man white after 2 years from being less than middle aged man
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 I suppose that might just be a skill ingrained into him, or more likely just a hint from the show runners that he’s more than he seems
@@gustavoc4131 True and it has something to do with muscle memories. Though he had no idea how he identify each objects but once he touch it he remembered that it needs to be attached.
When the series credits rolled in, his son(the fishing shop guy) was with him on the lake or pool i guess. I wonder what was his early days like and how his family split up and his son in gravity falls. Since MGucket was from Colorado
Vincentalot-XD Ms.Yawhaw Oh actually he was from Palo Alto, but he was born in Tennessee and his family had no money. The Journal 3 book has all that stuff about him and more, he’s definitely my favourite character.
This gives me strong Ice King vibes. A character while at a glace lacks depth, through further inspection there is more. While trying to protect themselves and others, they suffered greatly, losing both themselves and their sanity.
I just realized McGucket's glasses are symbolic of his sanity. In the flashback, he first lost them when he was testing the portal. In these videos, he lost his glasses at one point when he tore out his hair. After he sees his memories, he puts on some glasses with a missing lenses to signify he's regained his sanity. Even if it's a bit broken, like he said, he can start to put himself back together again.
Yo I really want another season of this show I love this my mom bought me the actual copy of journal 3 and a Gravity Falls "don't color this book, it's cursed" coloring book!
I think this is important to show how Stanley Pines got his memory back, Mcgucket was starting to remember as soon as he saw his memories on the screen, even after years had gone by. Why couldn't Grunkle Stan regain his memories using Mabel's scrapbook??
Theory. The device that McGucket made didn't erase any memories like he thought it did. All that happens is that it creates some kind of mental block around the given subject. People block out bad memories all the time,, and the device forces the reaction inside their head.
@@prosecutorwalton Not really. More like device reduces strength of memories, but is unable to erase them completely. Basically, it makes it much harder to remember, but it never actually makes you forget.
When I first watched this part, I was worried he would smash the memories or something stupid like that and deliver a dumb message like "I know who I am, and I don't need nothing to tell me otherwise!". I was so glad he saw his memories and learned about his true self.
For a "kids show" Gravity Falls sure had some tragic characters. McGucket, a guy who wanted to help his college buddy change the world, foresaw that he'd helped destroy, and when he tried to forget it, he forgot himself
This is why I both love and hate this show. Love it because it’s extremely complex and deep with a lot mystery and hard work put into it. Hate it because of Mabel and her selfishness!
@@zman4002 There’s one guy, I can’t remember his name, but he makes such an effort to try and defend Mabel by making excuses on why she isn’t the worse. And his excuse is “she’s not real, why are you complaining about how unrealistic she is”. Meanwhile another user makes great points on why Mabel is terrible and why some of the excuses don’t work and why her “redemption arc” felt lack lustre.
Extra bit of information, in the comic that takes place after the finale, the leader of the blind eye’s face can be seen being sold by a demon who sells faces in an anomalous black market.
On the last day recorded, or Day ???, it may sound like McGucket is just saying nonsense. Believe it or not, he is talking in a cipher. The Atbash cipher. He says "YROO. XRKSVI. GIRZMTOV." Gibberish without being decoded. When decoded, it reads "BILL. CIPHER. TRIANGLE." To further show that, he makes a triangle shape in front of his eye.
Joseph garcia Some were speculating Stanley was fighting Bill in the room with the universe portal, then Stanford rushed in but was too late. If anyone remembers the image Bill conjured up of Stan (not the tattoo) during the negotiations with Gideon, you'll understand this theory...
@@lavaman8836 It was actually when he saw the Gremgoblin and looked into it's eyes. But he began using it way more after the portal. This was revealed in the Journal 3 book.
@@zarchblarch2490 Really? Because the way it sounds in the clip of him talking about the portal, it sounds like he’s using it for the very first time. “I believe I have invented a machine that can erase these memories from my mind.” “It worked! I can’t recall a thing!”
I really like how they handled McGucket in this episode. The guy lost eventually lost everything: his marriage, his relationship with his son and his sanity. I really like the glimmer of hope for McGucket at the end. People will compare Ice King/Simon and Old Man McGucket. McGucket was given his salvation and has the ability to move forward. Whereas Simon's only salvation will come with taking off the crown, getting his mind back and accepting that his fiance is dead and letting go.
Taking off the crown wont reverse it's effects, it'll cause ice king to think more clearly but he won't be sane by a long shot. If the crown's magics are dispelled improperly Simon will just age to death. But Betty is now in ooo and is looking for a proper way.
Simon is stuck in 1000 years in the future where their is no human civilization like how he was before. Betty died or turned into Golb. Simon is way better.
I like how Gravity Falls first wrote McGucket's character as being the stereotypical crazy hillbilly that everyone tries to avoid, but then delves deeper into the storyline by turning him into an amnesiac genius, who slowly begins to retain his memories and pushes him into the mystery of the entire show
@ amogus 1:01-1:30 Plot Twist: He got bitten by an aggressive gnome when he came across the colony and it results in a gradual gnome transformation. That’s something I learned about.
@@K1ng_Sl4y3r What happen to his house cuz he would live in that motel, then the junkyard, also was he already going insane or was it bc he was over using it
My favorite part about this video is that it explains why McGucket's beard has a bandage on it. Clearly he put it on his face after he hit another car and left it there as the beard started growing in. XD
Exactly! The moment he put the tape to run and the video started I just remembered that first glimpse of who Simon was in Aventure Time during the Christmas, when they put the tape and we saw the of Simon tl Ice King
So he learned the terrible existential truth... but cleared it out of his mind to preserve his sanity... then ended up losing his sanity anyway, directly BECAUSE of his method of protecting himself... and somewhere deep in his subconscious, still remembered the original horrifying knowledge that drove him down that path in the first place. Now there's a story arc H P Lovecraft would be proud of...
This one kinda kept me up at night. The idea of wiping your own memories so many times you lose it, it’s honestly really scary. Also, are we all just going to ignore the red spray paint on the wall behind him that says *’HELP ME’* ???
This looks really familiar... Old man who's lost his mind and memories, is now a miserable guy who everyone makes fun of, but is revealed to have once been a brilliant scientist through video logs, lost his mind trying to investigate supernatural stuff? ...Simon Pterikov? They even look a bit similar. Still cool though.
Wait, if the video screen shows what the memories inside the canister are, why did it show Mcguckit talking to a camera and use the gun on himself? Shouldn't that have been the scene of him going into the portal?
I don’t think the actual memories can be recorded. The society is shown recording people describing their memories before using the gun, which is where those recordings come from. As shown in the last episode with Stan, the memories can still be regained if the subject is reminded, so those recordings are probably made to facilitate this process, allowing subjects to regain their lost memories if necessary.
I like how they set up early on that you can get your memories back with familiar images. These aren’t memories being beamed back into his head, it’s recordings of those interviews the society does right before wiping your memory.
Did anyone notice that by day 189, Mcgucket hair is greyish when in day 74 his hair is still brown, this kinda implies that besife causing damage to the mind (And quite possible brain) to victim, prolonged exposure/usage of the Memory Eraser also causes visible phsicall effect like loosing the color of one's hair. This could implied that the memory eraser also affects the chesmistry of the body negatively and quite possible it's celular structure. Also notice how Fiedelford gradually became shorter as he started to descend into insanity. I belive that the memory eraser uses some form of radiation to affect the neural conection of the brain and thus damaging and blocking memories, but prolonged exposure to this form of radiation is harmfull for the body, the psicolocall effect might also be a direct result of the umbalanced Brain chemestry.
This is a really touching scene to be honest. Really sad to see one of the most brilliant scientists become something like this. 1:33 made me sit there with an open jar. What a cartoon this is. Amazing stuff, Disney.
There's realism in this. People dont seem to realize that even the most brilliant and intelligent people still have a limit to how much trauma they can mentally handle.
The problem is more that McGucket built that device to forget what he saw in the portal, but then began to abuse it to avoid anything, becoming a coward incapable of facing problems. Same thing for the rest of the Society of the Blind Eye.
This is my most favourite scene in the series, as well as the saddest for me. If McGucket never approved to help Ford in the first place, he would've been a revolutionary computer inventor instead of being an insane hillbilly. I feel bad for him, man. His whole life was ruined.
While reading the my own copy of the cannon Journal 3, I realized how sad his story was. He left his wife and son, his entire family behind just to help Ford with the experiments. The first time he created that gun was after a certain deadly experience with a Gravity Falls creature. Soon after, he started deteriorating, ford noticed this and ended up having the gun used on him, forgetting most of the interactions Fiddleford had with the townspeople. He started to give out invitations to people in the town to join his society. One of which was the man with the bald head, he was from a freakshow the Ford and him visited. He kept using the gun until the incident, of which he disappeared, never seen by Ford again. That's likely when he overused it. His family called him out on his insanity and disowned him. That's why he tries to redeem himself to his son during the Gobblewonker episode.
The worst part is that the gibberish he was saying at the end “Yroo Xrksvi! Girzmotv!” If placed in the Atbash cipher translates to “Bill Cipher! Triangle!”. The very thing that he so desperately wanted to forget. He ended up losing everything else but the one thing he wanted gone remained in his mind haunting him
I never realized it in the moment, but that second to last memory may be the saddest one. The final turning point between Fiddleford and ‘Old Man McGucket’. You can see the last bit of sanity in his eyes as he realizes his pants are on backwards. And he has seemingly nothing to erase on this tape. He’s just there. The last of his unbroken mind just waiting to go.😢
probly cus everybody seen this before with simon and simon had more family that we know of his fiance betty his daughter marcy mcgucket only has a son that we know of wich hates him
Yeah, but if you think about it. It's really upsetting how just erasing his memories a few time causes him to lose his successful future, ending him up in a dumpster.
Unlike Simon and Smeagol, McGuckett did this to himself time after time. He created the device, so he should have tested it better and found out the side effects. Simon and Smeagol were both pretty much forced into their situations.
Venom0027 Rewatch the video. He didn't have the time to test it better. How is he gonna test it better anyway? He needed to make the device right away cause he didn't want to be haunted forever. Sure he "did it to himself" but I think he only used it just a few times and afterwards became too stupid to know that there would be side effects. I usually don't watch adventure time but why I can tell from Simon's is that he could've easily taken off the crown and destroyed it unless the crown was consuming his sanity or whatever.
When stanford pulled mcGucket out of the portal he started saying gibberish When you reverse those word it sounded like the same thing he said at 1:25 when its reversed
anyone else find it mildly unsettling that there's a FIVE-DAY-GAP between him erasing his memory, and proclaiming it worked five days after the blast? I mean, was he unconscious, or a vegetable, or what happened to Stan happened to him, but worse?
Maybe he wanted to test it for 5 days if he could still remember something or not. Once he realized he couldn't recall a thing then he claims "It worked!"
Jayson Klein Reckon he was “fine” for those days, but played straight not remembering he erased anything to begin with; after that Day 1 shot, Fiddleford ‘awakens’ in front of a camera, holding a alien-gun looking thing, with no idea what he was doing except for his notes, _if_ he immediately checked them. Maybe he doesn’t even pick up that anything’s amiss, figuring he just fell asleep at his table, and left to go home. Four days later, he sees Ford, hears he’s no longer working with him, and looks at his notes. “Welp, I... guess that worked!”
Fiddleford is such a good, one might even say overpowered character, and here’s why: 1. He is used in the prophecy wheel to defeat Bill Cipher 2. He is impervious to memory gun/rays. 3. Even without his sanity reclaimed, he could still remember his engineering and mechanic skills, and all of the unknown creatures Ford told him about, BEFORE getting his memory and sanity back. These are just 3 out of dozens of reasons why Fiddleford McGucket is such a good and underrated character. Like, literally. He is impervious to a FREAKING MEMORY GUN!!!!!!!
Hm...the encoded message and finger gesture at the end both allude heavily to Bill Cipher. Okay, this might be a long shot, but I think I know how Bill might be related to McGucket's transformation. At the beginning he says he "lies awake at night." We know that Bill can control people's dreams. In "Sock Opera" Bill is hellbent on destroying the journal, suggesting that the author found something that Bill wants to keep hidden. Therefore, Bill would probably want to silence McGucket, so he entered McGucket's dreams and gave him terrible nightmares that made it impossible for him to sleep and reminded him of his involvement in the author's research. Finally, Bill planted the idea for the memory gun in one of McGucket's dreams, ensuring that McGucket's knowledge would be hidden forever and establishing a convenient way for Bill to silence people who got too close to the truth.
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Of course my two favorite shows would have the same tragedy twist character development. Adventure Time and Gravity Falls are the best shows for a reason. TAKE NOTE OTHER ANIMATED SHOWS!
Well for starters where the hell did they put you, Flame Princess, they dropped that subplot and we haven't heard about it since. Everything has been REALLY WEIRD this season, I'm not saying I don't like weird I'm just sick of all these strange experimental writers fucking with the show's flow. Finn and Jake seem to have had post- traumatic. Stress disorder for at least a year now
me first time I see FIDDLEFORD - well misunderstood and smart....... but yeah cannot have a tragic backstory me when I see this - *sobs uncontrollably* FIDDLEFORD
Now it makes sense on why he was always so paranoid, because deep deep down he still knows that he had seen some terrible things even if he doesn’t know what they are.
I actually had ptsd and what he described best described what it was like " I wish I can forget but I keep getting flashbacks" I wanted to erase it but no matter how hard I tried it wont leave my mind
I like to believe when he mentioned he came across a colony of little men, he’s referring to the same creatures featured in the GF short “dippers guide to the unexplained: Candy Monster”
