It's a common pursuit in traditional chinese martial arts: smaller movement for bigger (or at least the same) effect. Sadly, this is sort of undermined through the introduction of Western gynmastics standards into wushu taolu/"forms" performances, which gives the public the wrong impression that traditional chinese martial arts have to have big flowery movements (just like gymnastics).
Xu Xiaodong has done a great job in exposing fake martial artists. But if there's anything I disagree on with him, it's that traditional Chinese martial arts doesn't have a place in MMA. MMA is essentially just kickboxing and wrestling and I think every culture has some sort of system that translates to that. For example, the Korean kickboxing or striking element could be Taekwondo and its wrestling element could be Hapkido. The Japanese striking element could be karate and its wrestling element Judo. As for Chinese martial arts, I think its striking element could be Wushu Sanda or even Wing Chun and its wrestling be Shuai Jiao.
xxd only beaten up some posers who thought they've been trained in fighting, it's like some karatekas & tkd who went up against muay thai people in the 70's & 80's and learned some hard lessons. he proved nothing. if xxd is so sure all chinese kung fu practitioners are bs he could have done like what they did in ip man-1 movie and seek out the best fighters in town for a fight, better if it's a town like songshan where shaolin is located.
@@Bless3dWithACurse That is why i hate sport Judo. Every time you look up they are banning something else where it not even worth watching. Sport people need to leave the Original art alone.
because in the 70 S the made rule that it is forbideen to take the legs. why? because it is more efficient and every body did only this , not esthetical to see. judo like many combats sports are ... sports I m from karate and same problem of leaks , it is import to known all the aspects of the fight or in real situation .... huuuum
I'll be 100% honest, I just stumbled across this art today. However, If this is the highlight level then I'm not too impressed. I bet if you took your average judo Competitor at the national level (not even the Olympic level) then they would throw these guys like a rag doll. I will say that I'm glad that they can grab the legs though, it makes things a little more exciting
P.s. I don't even train Judo, I'm completely unbiased when it comes to that. I just am not that impressed, it was fun to watch but they wouldn't be able to do those throws on a average level competitive judok, let alone an Olympian. I trained with Brian Olson before (bjj black belt, 4 time judo Olympian, and Olympic bronze medalist) and when someone at that level gets grips on you there's absolutely nothing you can do about it! I'm not saying that these guys don't have skill but I think there's a massive difference in skill and athleticism between them and top level judo players.
@@Daniel_Cooley sadly shuai jiao will always play second fiddle to judo as long as there's no olympic program. A lot of great judo players are international, and shuai jiao is just a folk wrestling style primarily practiced in some parts of china
China's military combat system and number one combat sport is Sanda. And Wing Tsun isn't "non-sensical", it's just that hardly anyone actually spars in their training. Probably 2 out of 10 practitioners do.
No matter how many people tried to say "this is fake" @3:24 proves otherwise. That looks like it hurts like a b****! This was a great match though. This is my first time looking up Shuai Jiao, and I'm impressed. Definitely searching for more
@@cumsalot Yeah, calling it fake was excessive. I guess "ineffective", would be the most appropriate term people would generally affix to traditional Chinese martial arts. It's not a belief that I personally carry, but a common one when the topics of martial arts and practicality are brought forth for comparisons.
Definitely real. The only issue is, they have to close the distance before they can grapple in any real fights. They start with the grappling position without needing to close the distance. I will try to avoid clinching with anyone because there are wrestling, judo, and BJJ guys out there.
I got lucky working out with some shuai jiao guys and accidentally hip threw one a little hard. He quickly returned the favor by slamming me like the first guy. Cracked a couple ribs. Really impressive.
I was there for this match in Yixing. Team china in red is the "A" team and blue is the second team. it was competition but I think they decided to put on a show for the crowd. Both were cool guys. Btw, if you stay rigid you are a wet dream for a grappler.
I have to agree with the title, of course this is only the third one I've ever seen. Only heard of this art for about two days now and have watched about 5 or 6 videos on it and this being my third competition match I've watched.
Maybe. Or it could be convergent evolution, since you'll find that European armoured wrestling (ringen) looks like judo and shuai jiao. All three types of wrestling are based on trying to get an armoured opponent on the ground and then either making sure they stay down or stabbing them with a knife.
Its the father of Judo, almost all martial arts orginate from China, Japanese Jiu jitsu is one of them, the father of Judo so you could say that this is Judo's grandfather@@pieman3141
Every throw was beautiful to watch in this match, the difference between Shuai jiao Ando judo is the way the fighters go for the throw. The Shuai jiao guys have more patience.
Shuai Jiao, Wrestling, Judo, and BJJ are the only grappling styles that work. The problem with Shuai Jiao is that it is like sumo, just push them off the circle
they kick and punch in the FORM MOVEMENT but like judo they have basic punch and kick so judo / jujitsu student know how to deal with the striking ART ..... in competition both judo and SHUAI JIAO do not use striking ....in training all grappling art use STRIKING to help student with the real world situation .......the true focus is grappling in competition
Think you for the info, I was wondering about Shuai Jiao I teach Chin Na Shou we have Arm Locks, Finger Locks' Joint Locks Throws and Leg Sweeps my Sifu really didn't call it Chin Na he called Kou Zhi Shou Locking Hands Art, But thank you again for taking the time to respond to my question
The rule sets can vary slightly from tournament to tournament, but typically there are 1-3 points awarded depending on the throw. Whoever has more accumulated points by the end of the time limit, wins. There is also the possibility to “skunk” an opponent, meaning if you create a big enough point gap, you win automatically. Usually 7 or 8 point gaps are considered a skunk. Skunk is an American term, I don’t know what they’d call it.
I was the side judge and something behind the scene you should to know, I would not say this is match-fixing. However as you see, right after blue side won his first point, the master judge called and told them something. Exactly, these two athletes are from the same team, and master judge is their coach. At the begining both of the athletes don't take this match seriously. Blue side has had more experiences, red side gonna goof around. This match was already 10 years before, I think it does no matter I tell the truth lol. This is still a very good match, both of them are skillful athletes. Probably one thing some viewers here not even figture out is, blue side is left handedness, to be honest to say, a match when both athletes are in the same level, left handedness athlete might have adventage because right handedness athlete will not used to fight with him.
The Yuan dynasty was established by Kublai Khan, so with all the Mongol influence in China, I don't doubt Mongolian/Central Asian wrestling has some similarities
Shuaijiao (Chinese traditional wrestling) is Han Chinese skills + Manchurian skills and of course some Mongolian skills. moreover, different rules created different skills.
Sou brasileiro e estou usando o tradutor para me comunicar com você, então perdoe qualquer erro de ortografia. sim ippon existe mas não dá vitória imediata,
I'm Brazilian and I'm using the translator to communicate with you, so forgive any spelling mistakes. yes ippon exists but does not give immediate victory,
What's awesome about this is the fact that it would be extremely painful if you fall on an asphalt/concrete, that's why it's quite effective in my opinion (I'm not a wrestler though, I do Silat instead, but I really wanna do Shuai Jiao if it's available in Indonesia)
@@billmurray7721 It's actually not a waste of time. If the context is street fight, bjj "could be" a waste of time, sorry to say. You don't want to stick your back to the ground while your opponent's friends are ganging you around, they'll hit you with a wooden block. And also for the context of a street fight, dude, we use clothes in the street. We don't use clothes in mma. So the "waste of time" conclusion is a dependence statement. Of course, if we talk about bullshido kungfu, I definitely agree with you. But not this, so sorry
BJJ is overrated Id rather practice Catch Wrestling or free style wrestling as my base, and incorporate some BJJ in their much better than practicing pure BJJ @@billmurray7721
This looks really interesting. But why does it look like they are grappling and leaning forward a lot? I don't believe I see anything like this in Judo matches.
This on the surface looks more akin to wrestling than judo. Also "something, something, Japanese martial arts are based on Chinese ones" and so forth. They might use some really similar throws, but each time they threw there was no Kazushi from what I could see. No backstep to provide that rotational force to execute the throws... I failed to see even an underhook, which is surprising noting the fact that they are indeed leaning a lot. You'd figure based on how low they were, they'd be trying something like a single leg. (Which one guy did and somehow got thrown by a wacked out Uchi-mata) Since it seems they value takedowns here than pins or dominant positions. This is probably the most realistic Chinese art I've seen. That's about the only compliment I can give.
@@DeathxThexKid100 I have a humble opinion on this subject. I think when you keep a martial art or a combat sport inside one country or within a small set of traditional schools, they might fail to find some really useful techniques even if they practice it for centuries. They all use a certain set of moves and dont have a reason to do anything differently. When it is shared with the world and becomes widely practiced by a diverse set of schools, people start discovering new techniques, or they cross train and bring techniques from other similar disciplines and incorporate them if they also work for this set of rules, and that makes the art evolve. Also, true innovators are rare. My understanding is that Japanese jujutsu didnt have much kuzushi until Jigoro Kano developed it and emphasized its importance. I have done Judo for a while, but nobody had explained it that well for me until the Internet allowed me to find truly great training videos by world-class competitors and teachers. There was no single leg in Judo, I think, even when it was legal. Kuchiki taoshi is knee-pick; not the same. It took the Brazilians to bring jiujitsu to the wrestlers to make the single leg one of the most widely used takedown in BJJ. Back takes (standing) are not part of Judo really, not sure why. Maybe because they just drop to tani otoshi when they reach halfway. About the underhook, I was thought that if there is a gi, you use it, as gi grips give more control than wrestling holds. But I have also seen instructionals on standing BJJ showing underhooks in gi.
Good match with the back and forth and back and forth. The throws where they both go down indicate how you also need to cross train in ground fighting and submission grappling as in BJJ
bjj has is ground fighting from dishuquan/dog style kung fu. so shuai jiao crosstrain with dishuquan/gou quan would be better. as stand up i would recommend hung gar. the tiger claw gives good transition to throws and takedowns.
Its good to have multiple throws to score a win so as to limit any victory by chance or luck as opposed to judo where one lucky throw decides the winner.
Jakov Hrga there’s lucky throws for beginners. I’ve definitely hit a throw without really knowing what’s going on, that’s just because both me and my opponent suck shit. But yeah, no such thing as lucky throws for higher level folk.
Lucky throw??. No such thing at competition level. Also this is clearly a demonstration match. Nothing wrong with that but those throws are not being fully blocked. This is similar to training where you follow through and allow yourself to be thrown if your opponent’s entry and attempt is a good one.
China gotta start producing champions in MMA, is getting kinda embarrassing because of your rich tradition in martial arts and large male population. Something is serious wrong with fighter development in China.
Dude, this is a show, not a real match. They were performing or simulating some situations in the Shuaijiao combat. In ancien China, even today, Shuaijiao has some parts of performing, in order to make money like circus, in the market or some place. But Shuaijiao has its real form of combat in the real competition field, but never like this video. So don't get too exaggerated. You can find much much more beautiful in Youku.
尚武 Oh, finally. Thanks for the support. There is no doubt that the two wrestlers made a good performance. But it was not "real" combat, nor a pure show. Hope you enjoy the video and furthermore, you can also search for more Shuai Jiao videos and its advanced type : Shou Bo.
Dear Ye Gu, excuse you are not a guy who play Shuaijiao for years, and you just google it to convince someone, you can ignore my comment. But if you are truly a player, a great fan or an athlete, be careful, the following massage might change your life : 1. Don't believe some shit about Shuaijiao history on the internet or books. Now in China, there is only discipline, even someone in Baoding or Tianjing plays the same techs, obeys the same rules. So what you say is fossil. But there is really Baoding kuaijiao(Chang family, Fest wrestling or just Chuai Chiao) in the world, but it is only adopted oversee. Its form is very different from the China's. 2. they are playing well in the film. Unfortunately, this is not a real match, but an well-arranged one. They have been practicing for years, but still a show. That's not a big deal, they are trying to show some realistic and fantastic performing in the combat situation. But the owner of the video mixed up! He thought it was real. The true situation of Shuaijiao combat is more obscured, more slow and more brutal. So don't get my point wrong, except you treat a movie fight(like Bruce lee) like a real fight in the street. 3. Don't be too exaggerated. You haven't seen many more beautiful Shuaijiao playing in the world ! Google "Shoubo", and you will find more, some mind-changing performances. So wide up your eyes. By the way, I'm a world champion of Shuaijiao, and French national champion of Shoubo.
Then I assume you may read Chinese characters, it says invitation championship on the banner. And if you check other related videos on chinajiao.com, which is the main sponsor of the match, it officially states this video as a match. It a shame that I don't play shuaijiao as a chinese, but I do play judo as a brown belt and thinking about transmitting to shuaijiao, even I am not a great player, I can easily throw someone who is ranked lower than me easily and in a much faster pace, don't you see the Guy in blue is more skillful than the red one? I think it is pointless to argue whether I am a shuaijiao player or not, or how experienced you are in shuaijiao. if you don't think it is true, it is up to you, I believe that anyway, unless you can prove it is officially wrongly stated ,
By the way, how could you be a world champion within 3 years? I mean 3 years ago you can't barely receive an ippon seoi nage properly if I don't get it mistakenly. And you said you are a champion of shoubo, but why you were wearing a judo gi in white belt.
Ye Gu Dear Ye Gu, so that is your issue. You don't know there is NO RANK in Shuaijiao, we wear blue or red belt to identify the sides or just white. Shoubo as well. I've been playing for 14 years and I'm truly a champion of world in the 1st world championship of Shoubo which held place in Paris(2013). Not Shoubo, but Shuaijiao. And if you don't tell the difference, youtube them. By the way, yes, if you are a Shuaijiao player, you will know the video is an exaggerated one. But that doesn't change how well they have performed. I'm glad that you want to transmit to Shuaijiao. Just do it. If you have any question, you can find me as well in Facebook : Stéphane Wu.
Ye Gu Excuse me, I've just figured out what you meant of judo kimono thing. I 've barely remembered I've taken that video. Sorry for the misunderstanding. That was my first year in France and I joined a club Jujitsu and Judo in university for there was no Shuaijiao at all. If you need more me in the video, just ask, or during searching Shoubo, you will find more.
Mongolian Wrestlers would take them out!!! Even the Gracie Jiu- Jitsu practitioner would be taken out by the Mongol Wrestlers!!! You haven't seen anything until you have seen Mongolian Freestyle Wrestling!!!! They have incredible throws and takedowns!!!!
Monglian is an ethnic minority in inner Mongolia, China, where the Golden family came from lol. Mongolia is just a land where "horse slaves" captured by mongol arm fed the horses for them. Funny that the real mogol nowadays keep their mouths shut, while the horse slaves blast around and tell everybody that they're mongol. Imao.
Red tried to throw blue but failed, blue got his feet on the ground and grabbed red from ( the butt or leg) and lifted him that way and got red on the ground
