Kung Fu is 90% Wrestling 

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Wht jesse enkamp is in the logo(blond with karate gi) but it won't participate in challenge?

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What are Sifu Jacob's details? I'd love to be able to follow him to if he has a page of any kind. Thanks!

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Nice to see Ramsey views and supports his fellow youtube comrades. I love both channels. Keep up the great work both Ramsey and Rokas.

Many styles of Karate have sooooooo many Jujutsu techniques that are totally ignored or misunderstood. It's rather sad

This is why I quit Karate. My school practiced too much nonsense (though based on their advertising and the first month of training I thought it was going to be legit). Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find another Karate school in town that looks promising, so I’ve switched to an MMA gym. 🤷‍♂️ I’d go back to Karate if I found something good though.

Ramsey Dewey's troll here in America here to letting you know learning BJJ at a basic level will help if start wing chun. Your sticky hands turn into openings for positions in scrambles. At the same time positioning will set up strikes or traps if you are looking for tap, naps or snaps. This advice isn't sponsored but X Martial but go out there and train because you'll see for yourself lol

Truth. I think the reason alot of martial arts get misinterpreted over the years is because grappling isn't for the weak and lazy plus it's less aesthetically pleasing to look at

@@abramlittle7102 I would say it is more about "masters" and students being unable to decode the "techniques" inside forms and all those traditional trainning resources. A lot of people blatantly propagate ignorance or partial views in their own styles and the world judges those styles with those standards unfortunately.

@@abramlittle7102 I do think wrestling is aesthetically pleasing in terms of simplicity, and functionality.

It's only your perception that's silly ...

It's not surprising to me. Actually the way I learned kung-fu styles (including Ba Gua or Pa Kua) had many grappling or wrestling techniques in the forms...but that was in the 90s (maybe now things are different). Actually there was 60 to 80% grappling or wrestling. Actually even wing Chun has grappling (10 to 30%). Hung gar, choy li fut, pa Kua, tang Lang, eagle claw, and many more they all have a lot of grappling.

Cheng Tinghua had a Shuai Chiao background before learning Bagua from Dong and brought a lot of the wrestling aspect into it. Bagua stepping is a very sophisticated steping system to enter your opponent center to grapple them and usually throw them on the ground.

@@Qigong18 yes, Ba Gua is very sophisticated. I only learned the basics of this style, because it was a very difficult style to learn and difficult to apply it in a fight (difficult for beginners). I wasn't necessarily a beginner in martial arts but still struggle to apply it for combat, because I am a more direct oriented stryker, and ba Gua is circular... Another thing I didn't like about ba Gua (and many other styles) is that they turn theyr back to the opponent... The only martial art in the world that doesn't turn their back is wing Chun, that's why I chosed to practice wing Chun for the most part (I also practiced a bit of everything, before coming to wing Chun). These delicate arts (like wing Chun, Ba Gua, tang Lang, xing yi, etc...they can be very effective, but they are not for beginners (or maybe a beginner can still prosper, but it won't be easy...it requires, a good teacher, a good training, and many years of dedication.

My friend teaches the same thing. He teaches that xingyiquan is actually a short-spear technique, and that taichi and bagua are wrestling techniques. Take a look here: ru-vid.com

@@sidlee3118 Thanks for the link! I looked into Xingyi and the connection to spear techniques is apparent. Only wish I had time to investigate xingyi spear techniques, as they look very fast and direct.

Shuai Jiao?

@@Monke00123 Shuai Jiao was codified somewhere in the 1920s-30s but the phrase itself predates its modern counterpart. Especially many Northern styles emphasize wrestling greatly and helped when they formulated it.

Theres a lot of variation because cultures/distance, but shuai jiao on some level was considered a baseline skill for many kung fu styles- which were themselves expansions to the skillset. Young boys wrestled. It was prolific. China even had a broad history of pretty sophisticated trips. Without this context- many of the arts simply dont make sense. Pugilism is considered a higher skill- not a replacement skill.

Yeah

I wouldn't call kung fu grappling...I call it takedowns, yes.

@@watamutha "kung fu" isn't even a name of a martial art, it's what westerners call chinese martial arts. There's a great deal of diversity in "kung fu" schools.

Exactly. That is why Japanese Jujutsu was so grappling heavy

It doesn't take long to abandon the idea of punching someone wearing a coat of plates in the gut. On the other hand a good front kick is surprisingly effective

grappling is also involved in weapon disarms and such

True, medieval fencing manuals from europe usually spoke a lot about self defense and for that (the unarmed part) they focused mostly on wrestling for chokes and joint locks and defensive front kicks.

@@krystofcisar469 right, the material we have preserved to some depth on unarmed play from say 14-17 centuries europe includes both italian (Fiore) and german (Ott's system and various authors in that tradition) sources, and its basically grappling, stand-up I think. Now I don't know if the idea that armour is the main reason is correct at least for europe -- or if they simply thought wrestling effective (or just fun - it existed as a sport already) in general. Some of the context is def civilian though.

In some demonstrations of Tai-Chi, it looks very alike Greco-Roman and other wrestling. Some are weapons based but for others, there’s tons of wrest.

There are many instances of Grappling and Throws. But Tai Chi's main weapon, is Internal Strikes. The ability to END the OP, with a single Hit. This is seemingly not really taught or expressed to the masses. But its a factual Truth. Anyone that has masterclass level Fajing power... you dont want to be within an arms range of them... else you wont be walking away from that encounter. You will be carried away in a body bag.

These are half truths and falsehoods. There is Grappling in Chinese arts. However, applications prefer Lethal output strikes, as the Default. And his description of altering form from application, is also 100% Wrong. I can maintain perfect form in heavy contact sparring. They cant... and so, rather than accept that they need more efforts to master what they learned... they try to Bend these arts to suit their Bad Form. Basically, they are just trying to De-Ball, the only remaining combat arts left in the world.

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That's because the impact goes through them, instead of stopping at them. KF looks cool, but they don't use proper body mechanics to generate that force and they don't understand leverage at all

The knockout blow is typically the one you don't see/brace for, more often than what looks like the strike they put the most effort into.

@@micaylapresley Uh, no, at least, the southern Chinese boxing uses pretty much the same body mechanics as western boxers.

@Baron Von Hexenbrenner I think it can also apply to the striking in some ways. Especially all the punches, which are initiated with a long loading-up motion, rather than the kind of tight punching you'd see in boxing. Although I'd still say some of the kicks in pro wrestling look impressive and don't have the same kind of long windup before they throw it, so it looks a little more authentic. I certainly agree about the grappling part, though, since in some cases, the submissions only differ in their finishes, and you're not actually applying the kind of leverage that would break or damage your opponent.

I’m sure he just got a buzz reading “large martial arts RU-vid channel” haha

How do you make those arts effective for fighting again yo?If a martial art is not effective for fighting/self defence it is pointless to practise yadamean.

@@dorkvader2673 again? There are still a lot of wushu (in West: Kung Fu) that are still practical. Wushus are divided into these more dance like arts and Combat arts. The former however sold better to Western costumers.

@@naj4261 Kung Fu is not divided into combat and dance arts nothing in Kung Fu got anything to do with dancing yo.The Wushu style is based on traditional Kung Fu but its included acrobatics with high speed to make it look real cool for the public.Give a Wushu practicioner a real forged sword and he won't be able to do much with it yadamean.I never said that Kung Fu wasnt effective I just wondered how anyone would make a style great again if it sucks already from before,like Nanbudo.

Uh huh, it's the same with okinawan karate, it is been said that the kata bunkai are really grappling techniques other than striking.

Same with some of the standing blocks. Some of them are basically an armbar of you use ot as such and you're then taught to punch as you pull the "blocking" arm to your hip. Really made so much sense.

Wow man! This means a lot to me. Thank you for sharing. Keep owning that journey!!

Some sifus teach the how AND the why and when.

Yeah like how shuai jiao looks a lot like judo. Except Chinese wrestling have no submission and use leg grap unlike judo. But definitely judo was influenced by Chinese wrestling.

Man, I thought I was the one that saw wing Chun this way. Were you taught this or did you figure this out on your own?

Yes you are right, you can see how this wing chun guy used Wing Chun Grappling to win this awesome fight: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qAN-ZKQlucg.html

@@MMABreakdowns A little bit of both I would say. I know that my Sifu told me that you 1. bridge the gap (only part of striking range). 2.Then you have to be close and cover and just pressure with your structure, sweep or grapple the opponent, and throw out your strikes when you unbalance the opponent or distract him. And that is what the "inch" punch is for, that short range of punches. But it was after watching many fails on youtube and trail and error in sparring that it really landed with me.

I'm gonna just lay it out there that many wing chun people, including the "masters" just think you can do the system and so on without sparring or some kind of pressure testing. And that would affect any martial art. Edit: Yes this is very bad!

That's so cool! We essentially started boxing at the same time :) Glad to share the journey with you

He said so on this video lol

You write "ramesy dewey has said this for a while"

any resources available? ive been studying orthodox karate for a few months now and its mostly kyokushin-y style with some grappling, but 0 info on grappling from kata

In my style of karate Okinawan karate we have grappling and it’s amazing I never knew until you go research

@@TBButtSmoothy While it might require some thinking through/putting together. The Bubishi is a book which contains a lot of Kata application (known as Bunkai) which is exactly what you're looking for.

Eagle Claw has a lot of Grappling in it... but like all Chinese combat arts, it features a lot of Striking. When some dude is attempting to end your life... you dont play Nice with them. You End them, instead. This is how these arts are designed. If you Lack the ability to have lethal levels of output at close ranges... then that isnt the arts problem. That is your problem... for not training your body to be able to achieve that level. And this is why people like you, so easily fail... or give up... or make things up about how you have to change / alter the art. Ive developed masterclass level Fajing output. It was easy to KO fighters, with less than 6 inches of runway, and I never needed more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering... to do it. And that was with Impact absorbing MMA gloves on, which vastly reduces the Initial impact transfer potentials. Get yourself a hanging canvas wallbag, and fill it with about 15 to 20 lbs worth of steel BBs. Free-Hang it from a metal chain. And practice hitting it barefisted for 1hr every night. Use a proper Dit Da Jow. Start out with 12 inches of distance... and eventually work your way down to 1", over the course of over 3 months of daily efforts. Furthermore... many of the other methods in Chinese combat, that are also seen to fail.. is also usually due to a lack of full mastery + a lack of sparring experience. You not only need to build the body up properly (attributes), but you also need to fully master each movement on its own. Then, even if and when you have 100% perfect form in your moves... you still need to fully master the ability to use them in heavy contact sparring. 99% of the time.. its not the techniques that fail... its the incorrect use and incorrect / flawed applied form... Example: KF dude got pushed / taken down quickly and easily. Why? Because he was in a straight-leg stance (no knee bend at all). Has a much higher center of gravity. No ability to absorb shock, using the legs as "Springs". No Rooting in his stance. And no ability to channel the OPs energy, into the ground... Etc. Example 2: KF dude goes to defend a feinted kick with his hands... when instead, he should have used Leg Fencing to take care of it. This opens his head, and upper body up to the OPs handstrike attacks. (incorrect application) I could go on and on, about various flaws, and what causes all of these failures. But again, the simple reason, is the lack of Mastery. And in todays day and time, most people dont want to invest enough time and efforts, into full mastery of anything that they learn. Learning does not equate to skills. And some developed skills, do not equate to Combat level Mastery. I like to say, that trying to fight with a non-mastered set of techs... is like trying to cut a Tough piece of over-cooked steak, with a dull plastic butterknife.

Well, everything is viable, and everything is bullshito at the same time. As in most channels they are stating 'this style has valid schools and bad schools', the issue for me is 'what's the chance of going in a good or bad school'. If a friend who have never visit a martial art class or gym tell me "I live here (random location). I wish to train some effective martial art, what would you suggest" - based on me not knowing the schools nearby personally, would probably send him to popular western sports instead of mystical Eastern ones.

I don’t think that way of thinking always applied though. There were lots of Eastern martial arts stylists who participated in Martial arts competitions in Japan(like Pancrase and Pride) and even the UFC like Chuck Liddell.

lot is still BS. Most teachers have no idea how to apply the techniques. They often have never even been in real fights. when they are they lose the technique and turns into some joke school yard fight. Also don't confuse someone doing a demo with a willing partner with someone actually able to apply it against a resisting partner.

@@boxingjacks You wouldn’t know I’m the count of having never trained in any of the styles with any of the legitimate teachers of the style. Judging a style because of bad “teachers” is ridiculous because every style has bad teachers.

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of course, when i practiced wing chun, i don't understand most of it. after i practiced muay thai a few months and now bjj, i finally understand about wing chun you must explore the technics first to use it well

A student will always be fairly Useless... until what is learned is not only understood... but also, developed to full Masterclass levels of output. In Muay Thai, there are far less things to learn... and so you develop a much greater level of Mastery, in a fraction of the time. Of course, MT is extremely limited in its tools.. so you will quickly run into a wall... where you will no longer progress as a combat fighter. KF, can give you more tools, to be able to utilize. But you will need a ton of time and dedicated daily efforts, to reach working combat skills... let alone, Masterclass levels. All arts contain many of the same principles. And most of the arts you see today, came from the Chinese arts technologies... spreading to other countries. I believe Karate, was derived from the basics of White Crane Kung Fu. Visiting Japanese travelers, spent a good deal of time learning it... and eventually took it back to Japan. Originally they called it China Hand... but as time went by, they chose to call it "Empty Hand" (which is the English translation of "Karate"). Finally, nothing is ever "Wasted" as far as efforts go. You develop fitness, coordination, and skillsets, in your arts practices.. no matter what art you choose. And being that all of these arts imply the same human form... most of them will translate perfectly fine, into other arts methods / attributes. Unless Humans develop a 3rd arm... or something like that... then everything that has been discovered and developed.. will remain effective, forever. All of this said, Ive met and sparred masterclass level fighters, in Chinese combat arts... and they can and do apply these amazing looking movements while Sparring in heavy contact sessions... just the same as they are learned, and applied in their actual forms and drills. So... much of what this dude is saying, is Bunk / Skewed.

@@onimekyo7633 The Ancient fighters of the past, used to spar each other, and against various different artists arts, on a regular basis. Also, they would train not only in school.. but also, out of school, on a daily basis. Training these things was a daily way of life.. and so, they reached a level of ability, and mastery, that many today, refuse to even attempt.. let alone, achieve. Even Yipman himself spoke about the importance of knowing the Opponents methods & Weaknesses.

In order for a style to be "more wrestling than striking" they actually have to practice wrestling, not just find potential wrestling applications in their forms/kata. In general, kung fu and karate are primarily stand up striking arts.

It’s an equal amount of both.

@@michaelterrell5061 I'd have to disagree. In my experience with both karate and kung fu, there's very little grappling/wrestling practice. You learn the odd grab, break or trip but that's about it.

@@Lieutenant-Dan According Patrick McCarthy, the Okinawans from the past had Tegumi to cross train to compliment their stand up skills in Chinese arts. It was a form of folkstyle wrestling for all ages in Okinawa. However, it was removed from Karate's training structure when the founder of modern traditional Karate Do decided to water down Karate into a form of recreational sport and physical education for Japanese schoolchildren since the beginning of 20th century. Source sites:

@@Lieutenant-Dan Your experience is not representative of all Kungfu or Karate. Kungfu is extremely vast, and can vary dramatically depending on your instructor. If you train with someone like Tim Cartmell, you'll learn a LOT of takedowns and clinch throws from Internal Kungfu styles, if you learn from Wang ZhiPeng In Beijing, you'll learn Shuajiao throws and clinch work, plus a lot of Wing Chun blended in. If you study with Cung Le, you'll mostly learn the kickboxing side with some nasty powerful kicks and some fast throws. If you train with Don the Dragon Wilson, you'll learn mostly striking, and less emphasis on wrestling. Again, it depends GREATLY who you learn from.

There are a number of records that shows that bare-handed martial arts were not super popular back then. One military general, Qi Jiguang (1528 - 1588), even wrote that he thought they were useless on the battlefield. The reason was because weapons existed. Back then, the Shaolin Monastery were not famous for bare-handed fighting; they were famous for their staff fighting. In Shaolin Staff Method (ca.1610), there was a Q&A section that asks why are monks suddenly practicing hand-to-hand combat? The answer stated that hand-to-hand combat is not widely practiced which is why they wanted to explore it - hoping that it could become just as good as their Staff Method. So yes, you're right about weapons being the origin.

I wouldn't say complete, probably varied with a bunch of techniques spread out over a bunch of styles.

yes long fist and wushu

Actually it's most prevalent in all the Northern Chinese styles than in the Southern Chinese styles ( with notable exception for Choy Lee Fut, Pak hok, Hung Gar or Jow Ga KF).

I practiced kungfu when I was a kid. The very first basic thing we learned are Qin na. Qin na is the fundamental of kung fu and it always be neglected.

Matter of fact if you look at the low stances you'd say that would never work, but then you watch shaui jiao and they hit those stances constantly in order to throw or avoid throws

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The point is that the movements you find in the form are for grappling/clinch range, not for reaching in with strikes. If you base your practice around reaching in with strikes then you're going to be kickboxing eventually.

@@rojcewiczj which could also be applications for a parry followed by a strike, there's strikes for close range also. When you watch karate or kung fu practitioners sparring, it is basically kickboxing with maybe the odd trip or grab, they aren't wrestling each other. I still don't think you can say "Kung Fu is 90% wrestling"

@@Lieutenant-Dan I agree that kung fu people tend to approach sparring as kickboxing, but in my experience, that is because the modern way of understanding kung fu/karate. The missing link, is that kung fu doesn't use body pressure to control the opponent so the techniques have a suddenness which is more like striking than wrestling if you're thinking of two people pressing against each other and trying for grips, but the purpose of the techniques is control/effecting balance/breaking more than simply hitting someone. The trick is that you shouldn't use "pressure" in kung fu/karate, but you do want to control/break the balance of your opponent. What that means though is essentially the mystery or secret of kung fu.

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the problem is that it should not need to "occur" to you. Your teacher did not teach you because they did not know.