Grieving Mother Kidnaps a Sick Baby | Chicago Med | MD TV 

Oh yeah, Carlina White! I think it was Lifetime that did a movie about her story, about a decade ago now. I remember that because Keke Palmer played Carlina as an adult and teenager. (Editing this to say that it's on RU-vid! "Abducted: The Carlina White Story")

If we are thinking of the same thing, The girl realized something was wrong based on the Birth certificate as the ink didn't seem right. Thus making her find out what was going on and finding out the truth about who she was. Also the birth parents thanked the woman who kidnapped their daughter for taking good care of their daughter but will never forgive the woman for the pain she put them through

That poor girl

Was it the movie run?

movie name pls

Maybe... but the womans future or a babys life? Anyone would save the babies life.

@@jenniferhardy8073 it's obvious the babie wasn't in any danger. They lied about it dieing and lied about protecting her after she handed it over. Then she looked over at her like she was proud of making her look like a fool. Doctors like that shouldn't ever get their license.

@@askjeevescosby2928 The baby possibly dying wasn't a lie, though - the kid had pneumonia, which can be fatal for anyone if untreated; and much more so for a small child.

@@jenniferhardy8073 amen

@@askjeevescosby2928 I beg to differ

That's what a real psychatrist would do.

He is my fav charecter

It wouldn’t surprise me if in another episode, that the board sanctions her.

@@hellscape7866 mine too

@@imadone She leaves the show

It's okay to lie to crazy people for the greater good

Okay? And? She tried to steal another couples sick baby because she didn’t get herself help To cope with the loss of her own. That’s her problem.

That's not how serial killers work, but, ok.

@@SoraShadowdancer Yea??? It kinda is??? Bro there's many different types of serial killers and reasons they start killing.

@@SoraShadowdancer actually it is, they become serial with triggers. That’s why your average person can become a serial killer

She got the baby out of harm's way and away from the kidnapper. A lie is a small price to pay.

@@foolslayer9416 That's all fine and dandy, but we have to be careful. Sometimes a suspect can go back on their confession because the cop promised nothing or some wild deal will be given to them. Cops and Dr's cannot make that promise. It's up to the DA. If a cop/doctor/whoever makes a promise to get a confession or get a suspect to surrender then it's always likely the accused will go back on their confession. That always ends badly. Also, this is a fictional situation. However, if someone thought of it to write it into a script, it's likely an every day person will think to do it or watch the show and get the idea to do it.

@@aklemon06 you're talking about lying to obtain a confession? I fail to see the relevancy to the video. A crazy lady stole a baby and the negotiators lied to save aforementioned baby from her, what possible consequences will be suffered? You don't try and reason with crazy, danverous people, you tell them what they want to hear till they let their hostage go and then you put the straight jacket on em and lock em away

@fortnitegameryo200 No. You try to get the truth. One wrong slip up could cause for their charges to be dropped or the trial (if/when it comes to that) to be dropped. I'm talking about reality and not television. In real world situations, it has to be proven without a reasonable doubt someone is guilty of their crime. Not because a cop or Dr told them it would be ok if they just surrendered right then and there.

@@aklemon06 Again, you're talking about court and confession and a bunch of other irrelevancy when the video is about a hostage situation, where the negotiating party told the hostage taker lies in order to get the hostage taker to release the hostage. Im saying hostage a lot to kinda drive the point about this NOT being an interrogation where a detective makes a deal with a suspect that the detective can't make good on, which is what you seem to be referring to for some reason

Ok but to be honest, I wouldn’t have felt any sympathy for someone like her because of these SPECIFIC circumstances. She KNOWINGLY took a baby sick enough to be admitted into the PICU, there’s no way she wouldn’t have then understood that by doing so, that baby could have died (because a PICU only has children that need EXTREME care). Had the baby been healthy, then there may have been some room to try and empathize with her trauma, but her actions would’ve most likely led to ANOTHER family having just as much (if not more) trauma about losing their baby. Dr.Reese was prioritizing the baby that was CRITICALLY ill, and I don’t blame her because that baby needed care and was missing for HOURS (could’ve likely died within that time). Even if it wasn’t her intention, she was DIRECTLY harming that baby by not letting them get the care they need, and I think that justifies Reese lying to her (had she not lied, there’s a good chance Johanna would’ve resisted the security whilst holding a sick infant that could then be further injured!)

@@Noahkita7704I ain’t reading allat 🗣️🔥

​@@Noahkita7704its unknown whether or not the lady knows what the PICU is even for. She went one time for a vist months ago and went through a horrific moment of losing her child there. I doubt she has much knowledge of hospital locations/procedures. Heck, her last step of her "plan" was to hide in a place she was familiar with hoping to what not get found and then what after? She didnt have a plan after disguising as staff and obtaining a baby and was purely acting on her emotions and grief. Her intent was to just take a baby that she could have her hands on and it just so happened to be the sick kid. She removed everything on the baby thinking it was how it was following her not knowing about the medication *or maybe somehow leave the hospital and pass the baby as her own*. How is the lady supposed to know the state of the baby with no knowledge of whats wrong or how the baby is being treated? Heck, she lied about giving the baby a scan just to obtain the baby and all the staff found the request odd. The lady doesnt know anything. As for the lie, it was highly unneccesary. The lady knew something was wrong with the baby and wasnt a threat to it or anyone. She could easily just be kept in the room while the baby was moved to be treated and the lady would be detained calmly later after it was assured the baby was ok. The lady in her grieving way also cared for the baby and its why she surrendered the baby to her knowing she messed up. The only excuse for this lie would be if she had a sharp object with her and threatened either staff or the baby itself and have a "If i cant have.......then you cant have..." mentality which is plausible given the situation. *How did she take off the baby's tag without a sharp item in her possession?*

She's so a bad actress

@@inheritmyshoes9559 it's not about being a bad actress. in fact this makes her a wonderful actress. the premise behind her character is that her father is in fact a psychopath and a lot of how she was brought up was fuelled by manipulation and abuse. the whole point of her character is a weakness in empathy especially given her family background.

@@jiayiisconfused3103 no I get her character. I think she's a terrible actress. She plays that role terribly. I know what she's SUPPOSED to be acting like, but it doesn't work. She just comes off as a stand in reading the script with the real actors - zero depth, zero anything. Shame, because the actual storyline could have been great.

@@inheritmyshoes9559 i miss her

That is the whole point, you can not expect great character from the start. Over time with the show she improves

So they can scare patients? I was in hospital for three months. There was a code something every few days. Scariest thing ever

@@samg873not to scare patients but to make everyone aware of the situation thats what these codes are for so the appropriate people go to the appropriate place so actions can be taken whatever code it may be but code pinks are serious if this happened in real life you never know what could happen someone can grab a child and be out of the hospital in a matter of seconds so yes calling a code pink immediately is 100% necessary ik it can be scary but its 100% necessary

@@midnight_x_edits when I was in hospital it came across on pa there was a code blue in labor and delivery. The mom ended up dying

I mean if you're talking about the phone call Dr Halstead had then not really. All they knew was that the baby wasn't in the place they were expecting him to be. There could have been an error or a delay or she could have been taken to the wrong floor. They only knew she was missing once they spoke to the parents

Don't use the name if God in vain

I agree but the thing about about priorities is that there are many of them. Joana is also clearly in pain and isn't a monster, Sarah was for lying.

The woman was harmless after handing off the baby. They could have kept her in the room and take the baby away for treatment. Sure, she had some kind of sharp item to remove the tag but if she truly was dangerous, she would have brandished it and threaten to hurt the baby. "If i cant have it, they cant either" mentality or threathen security if they were percieved a threat to the baby. The therapist was clearly biased in her assessment. Yes, she planned to disguise herself as a staff to obtain the baby but after that, she had no plan nor was there any malicious intent with her actions. There was no option to escape for her. It doesnt excuse her actions of abducting someone's baby but the response definitely could have been more constructive for all parties.

The difference there is directly lying, and lying by omission. Not sure which is more harmful.

@@Charlie-yv3ib I would say direct lying is worse!

When did he lie to the mother with the addicted baby?

@@feildhockeyfeildhockey5676 he didn’t lie. He just told her that the baby needed her and would get better whenever she help him that’s all he said he didn’t lie to her.

He never lied to her?? Everything he told her was true, he never said she’d keep the baby. Up until the mother held the baby she didn’t even want to keep him so that wasn’t even a concern

I remember that episode, that was so sad 😭

Is she the same grieving mother from the episode where a woman had her baby several months early?

@@punmasterlv1677Yes, she is

Problem was Dr Manning gave her false hope concerning her own baby's survival.

@@lethabrooks9112 Yes, Dr Manning caused her depression.

Same.

but it is morally wrong to lie to someone like that. It’s reasons like this why people are afraid to tell the truth because they are promised that they will not be punished but they still get punished anyway

@@Greatj-Gil idc

@@Greatj-Gil take my baby i’ll lie to you too. Idgaf lol

@@Greatj-Gil it’s morally wrong to take someone’s baby. No matter how much you’ve suffered.

Yeah. Grievance or not, she would've made a grave mistake with the risk of a baby, and for what? It had to be done and why take chances if the signs of backing out is early.

That is a fair point

"nothing bad will happen to you" "i will protect you" they just here to make sure the baby is safe" 3 lies and empty promises she is a awfull psycatriach

@Joana Rito Good thing she's not a psychiatrist, then. The guy with glasses is.

Yea because by law she kidnap a baby

Omg

That won’t be her biggest problem

And probably few will trust her, either.

@@tgbluewolf exactly! Trust goes both ways

No one should trust a baby thief

And those parents will likely never trust a hospital again...sorry, but I don't care about a kidnapper's feelings. She didn't care about the feelings of the mother of the child, did she?

post partum psychosis i think was her eventual diagnosis. meaning she had a break from reality and fully believed that the baby was hers, or that she was saving him. it's not that she thinks her loss is more important, she's living in a completely different reality

Because grief does strange and terrible things to a person's mind. It's called having empathy. Losing your baby is one of the worst things in the world for a person to go through. That empty promise only worsened that woman's already unstable mental state. As a doctor she's supposed tp help people, not make them worse. EDIT: To be clear, I'm well aware the baby's safety was top priority. I'm also not defending the woman's actions. I'm simply explaining why others are both feeling empathy for her AND criticizing the doctor.

You didn't saw her episode, did you?

@@ariadnefrolich7243 Her mental health wasn't the priority in this scenario. It was retrieving the baby safely, which they did. The woman's appropriate treatment could be worried about at that point. Being mentally unstable doesn't excuse stealing someone else's baby.

@@randymarshislorde Nobody's saying it is; explanations aren't excuses.

Because losing a baby at 22 weeks should automatically put you in the category of having a mental illness not to mention post partum. 1 out of 4 women know the feeling of being betrayed by her own body. 22 weeks is just long enough to be required by most states to have to make funeral arrangements. It's just enough time to have to send back all the gifts family and friends have sent. It's just enough time to cancel the baby shower and whisper over the phone why. It's just enough time to know if blue knit sweater your grandma made or the pink knit booties passed down through generations needs to be given to your cousin. No, the lady who kidnapped the child should not go to prison. She needs help processing her grief. Unfortunately, most women don't have strong support systems. Sure, cry a couple of days, of course, but everyone goes back to work including yourself, and the world doesn't stop just because your baby is dead. People need real help out here; a jail cell ensures they will not get it.

They'd matter if they caused them to do more harm in the future.

@@tgbluewolf it’s either her or the baby, choose.

@@tgbluewolf good thing she immediately got arrested then

@@tgbluewolf Sometimes you have to live in the moment and let the future take care of itself. In the moment, getting that baby away from that disturbed woman, was more important than something that woman might do later on.

@@TheKennethECarper Exactly 💯

she’s obviously still grieving and no she’s not sick or a threat the way you worded that is rude and inaccurate she lost her baby at 22 weeks prematurely with her son and she is grieving hardly even tho it’s a show it’s unlikely a code pink for baby’s would be likely in hospitals now days especially in the nicu and the labor delivery cause the baby’s have ID tags either way and it matches the mothers also as far as the baby goes as being sick he could’ve gotten worse off and died because of pneumonia in a baby is so serious and her saying stay away was probably her thinking she was able to be a mother and is grieving she isn’t but in her heart she is 😢 it’s hard if you never lost anyone to understand also she could’ve had postpartum depression or psychosis which can be so common in mothers

​@AvaGevingOfficial Poses as a staff member, steals a newborn and her body language and her words clearly indicate that she is a threat. If this isn't the definition of sick, I don't know what is. Her charges would carry seriously long sentences. Possibly life.

No it was absolutely ethical. You’re under no obligation to inform a suspect about their situation until they’re in custody. They could have snuck up behind her, grabbed the baby, threw a bag over her head and then took her to the police station not telling her that she did anything wrong until they arrived. Police sometimes pull up in unmarked vans to grab people in plain clothes if they’re in a neighborhood where their squad cars and uniforms will make them targets

Same!

Trauma doesn't excuse someone from trying to kidnap another woman's baby. The law is the law: she stole a baby and put him in serious danger by removing his IV giving him meds. She could of caused that baby to die if they hadn't been found in time. They'll probably do a mental health evaluation to see if her lawyers can make a plea of insanity. Otherwise that woman is going to jail for a long time. As for the psychopath thing: the doctor expressed concern about that very idea later because she regretted how she approached the situation.

Why would you expect anyone to take pity or feel sympathy for someone who has just kidnapped someone’s child without thinking of how much hurt it would cause the parents? Trauma is awful, yes, but it’s not an excuse to do just as awful things to somebody else, I mean she literally risked that baby’s life for her own selfish reasons

@@whoville1064 I said nothing about taking pity on her. I was talking about empathy, which is something very different than pity.

Much more likely for her mother to be a psychopath. The baby's kidnapper doesn't appear to be a psychopath. The most important thing is the baby is safely recovered.

Watching this clip in isolation that sounds reasonable, but seeing other clips from this show you can tell she's not a psychopath. She's displayed clear empathy for patients in other scenes, struggling to tell a pregnant woman she's not actually pregnant and breaking down crying over a terminally ill child. This is an isolated incident, and I think her lack of empathy in this case is more because of personal trauma than an overall lack of empathy.

I wonder if it was meant to be revealed at some point that she, like her father, was a sociopath?

@@BrigadeThunder That's my thought!

I mean she was grieving so she probably wasn’t thinking straight

@@NartSadiku-ws4ow I agree, but still anyone could have figured out it end badly

@@jackieb.2642 it was probably a final moment thing for her but idk maybe like “at least i get to have you one last time”

But if you treat them for their mental condition and then put them in prison that’ll just cause the issue all over again. If the person was in such an irrational state rehabilitation is the better option versus prison anytime.

@@samanthacallaway2276 But the US doesn't really offer rehabilitation that I know of and no government is going to allow a crime of this magnitude to go unpunished. If I had it my way our prisons would become mental health facilities with a focus on rehabilitation. But this isn't how it works. People are more interested in "justice" being served then in what's best for the criminals or society.

While she does have mental issues let me also say that technically she did show some degree of having planned this. So she needs both treatment & grief counseling but to also be punished for second degree kidnapping

great idea till you realize the baby would be dead by then.

Let’s pretend this were real, and that was YOUR baby whom was kidnapped by a deranged person. You wouldn’t be sympathizing with someone who kidnapped *your* baby. If it were my baby, I’d be telling the judge and jury to give her the maximum punishment.

that woman was suffering post partum psychosis, which is treatable with doctor's help. by lying to her, sarah ruined her trust in doctors, and it will be even harder to treat. they were making progress just by talking abt the baby being in danger, there was no need to make false promises. if the woman had directly asked "will you protect me? am i in trouble?" that's one thing but sarah is the one who introduced the idea of punishment to the situation, and then made false promises abt it

it is not about saving only one baby but having two patients. It wasn't just a mindless killer or kidnapper it was someone suffering from postpartum psychosis. As the other reply explained. In this, it showed that she made a choice out of bias and approached the woman with her own opinion of her without questioning anything else. Her treatment is now much harder to accomplish due to the patient's distrust of doctors. on-screen this is fine but since it represents accurate human emotion it is only natural for him to be frustrated and angry with someone who's so entitled to her opinions. It is hard to know if this was the only way to get the best outcome. That and the consequences of lying to that patient is hard to know but could have been way worse.

You are wrong lying to her may make her a bad person lying is not the solution here is what she should have done, look i know you lost your baby in a miscarriage and i know you are grieving your little one but this baby will not replace the one you lost this baby is very sick and his mother and father are grieving him as we speak your pain will not be cured by killing this baby without his medicine this baby will die and will not replace the one you lost and you will grief yet another baby and you will get the other parents to grief as well, if you do not give the baby back your sentence will be greater

you're probably young so that's why you don't understand how Reese is in the wrong. By lying and making promises she cannot keep, it's highly likely that the woman will develop severe trust issues towards doctors and medical staff especially given her condition, meaning she will have a low chance of tapping into effective rehabilitation and start the healing process. She could use this traumatic experience as her sole reason not to trust doctors, police, or anyone of that matter because to her, they took away the most important thing to her.

You are not wrong, that Dr. told her what she wanted to hear because releasing the baby immediately was the most important thing to do at that moment. Consider if she had told her the truth, yes you're going to be in trouble, yes, you will be confined to a psychiatric treatment facility and they will treat you & decide if you should be charged with anything at a later date & you may have to go to court & end up serving time in jail… would that have been better? Because that would have been the truth...

It doesn’t matter what mental state she is in afterwords all that mattered was the baby's safety

You pretty much answered yourself. She didn't know what the woman was capable of, and the baby could have died. The priority in that situation is getting the baby away from a mentally unstable individual as quickly and easily as possible. And the woman wasn't their patient either. As someone with a lot of psychological issues and diagnoses,(not any type of Doctor, I just deal with many many medical and psychological issues personally and in my family)I still 100% agree with what did. Better to lose her trust as a *possible* future patient, then to give her the slightest chance to harm the baby or someone else...

She wasn't there to help the woman. She was there to get the baby away from her before she could hurt the baby in her state. It would be cold comfort if the baby died because she was taking too long because she was trying to avoid actually lying to her. This is why you have police snipers. You can apologize later when the baby is safe. Her oath was "Do no harm". How do you think the woman would feel later if she actually caused the child's death in her state? If it was my actual child who needed medical attention, I wouldn't have a problem with doing whatever it took to get my child out of danger in the shortest time. Nor do I think would you.

@@justinchristoph3725 plus, she didn't technically lie. the punishment part? maybe. but when she said she would protect her, it did mean bringing her to a state where she wouldn't get further prosecuted for refusing to comply with officers / medical staff.

Their job is literally to help sick people

What was their version?

@@Kiss_My_Aspergers Like here, episode starts with baby disappearing and hospital going into lockdown. The B-plots come from whom everyone gets stuck in a room with (including a doctor who just stopped by to drop off the divorce papers for her soon-to-be-ex-husband, which leads to them having break up sex) and what they do to pass the time (from playing truth or dare to taking a ton of Vicodin). I find them all boring except House's. The culprit is a nurse having "complex seizures," not knowing what she's doing, but the review I read said the medicine surrounding her "seizures" was way off, i.e. the baby is found in a housekeeping cart, but it's not like putting babies in housekeeping carts was a regular part of her routine.

@Julia V. McClelland Thanks for the explanation! Yeah. I think most doctors have claimed that, of the era, _Scrubs_ was actually the show with the most consistently accurate medical takes.

Because it was their own flesh-and-blood of a new family member

However I'm not saying you're wrong to feel bad about all the mothers that have went through this but it's still considered kidnapping

@@EmoBro706. i know

Actually, Dr. Reese wants to see her rot in prison. She doesn't believe Joanna deserves mercy or love and care.

Its still kidnapping whether you leave with the child or not

Needlessly cruel

@@dogboyirI you obviously don’t have children.

@@dogboyirIuh no imagine if someone stole your child how would you feel you would want the worst things to happen to them especially because they took your child

@@midnight_x_edits exactly!

@@dogboyirI absolutely not. I would do unspeakable things to protect my daughter. Until you become a parent you'll never understand.

Agree

That doctor is sociopathic herself, no emotion. She will lie effortlessly just to get what she wants. But in this particular case she did the right thing, we don't know how disturbed the mother is, she could drop the infant or break his little neck in a heartbeat so the doctor did what she had to to save that little precious life.

Its not that simple. The woman lost a child, out of her own body for the first time and then her baby was suddenly gone. Grief, among other things are probably weighing her down, and she needed to have the sensation of having a child of her own in her arms.

When you're under a lot of stress and grieving, you don't think straight and you do very stupid things as a result of it. This poor woman should have had counseling - it's a very good thing this hadn't exploded i to something worse

That's not how grief works, it's not rational if severe enough.

She was grieving. Mental illness can mess a person up

It’s another case of “I would be a much better mother than the baby’s biological mother” or “I deserve a baby more than them”

Grief can be extremely damaging to a person's mental state

Sometimes compromising mental health conditions can cause people to think irrationally and makes it difficult for them to follow logic (as someone with an anxiety disorder, I speak from experience), which in turn causes certain behaviors to occur. It's still not ok, though. This video reminds me of a flashback in The Handmaid's Tale, before the rise of Gilead, when June is at the grocery store and a clearly mentally struggling woman or steals her baby from the cart and tries to run off with her. Security stops her and she gets arrested, and she is crying that the baby was given to her by God. It's a disturbing and anger-inducing scene, and it's harsh commentary on how society treats people who have reproductive difficulties or mental health issues. We can't defend the woman's actions, because they were awful. We can only explain the mental state that caused her to do what she did and hope that she gets help. The same applies here.

Grief does not play well with a rational mind. People under massive amounts of grief are under heavy emotional burden, and logical clear thought is nowhere on their radar sometimes. There really isn't any logic to be followed, bc its pure on the whim emotional impulse and short term thinking.

@@emilyhedrick2851 June not Offred.

@@MsLovestory01 Yes, my apologies. I was thinking in terms of the book, not the tv show, just to clarify.

Code pink is missing baby

@@bimblebury7105 Oh ok

@@bimblebury7105baby or child