GTX 2017 Smash 4 - FOX MVG | MKLeo (Marth) vs MVG | Salem (Bayonetta) - Wii U W.Quarters 

Still whining over bayo?

@@Lilhajxjk274 Bruh I left that comment three years ago and Smash 4 died a well-deserved death the millisecond that Ultimate released.

@@synysterdawn8913 sm4sh didn't deserve it. It was childish people.

pøllux I think mkleo does use dancing blade more than other Marths

dipistry Yea I agree.

Marth is a dumb character.OP.

EJJTM I know, I noticed it too. Superb stuff from him, seems like he gets out of combos very consistently here.

lol marth is a dumb character. . . as he is playing against a Bayonetta. . .

Because the edgurd was successful. That's why they complemented him.

No that’s why he won stupid xd

Sebastián Lara Thou whom doesnth poppeth balloon, will lose.

Maybe he's unstaling his moves

This has a new meaning now XD

qwertyman2002 It felt really mindless and like they didn't have any real insight, yeah.

Haha they weren't horrible but yeah, that was funny 😂

Is there even a good white smash 4 commentator? I mean Coney is even that good.

Finally we've reached John Madden smash commentary

Feels like they're paid to commentate in general but don't really know much about smash at all. They try to bring the hype but anyone who watches smash or plays regularly sees details they're unaware of.

Cifu El Pro Yeah smash 4 is a game of conversions my guy

Cifu El Pro Nah I just appreciate good commentary

Fuck that I want my 06 melee homemadewaffles shit

Johan Definitely the best commentary I've ever heard! 1337/10 would listen on mute again.

Cifu El Pro momentum momentum momentum momentum momentum

Nope, that's just Marth's hitboxes.

EnvyMachinery I know, as a Marth main, I really hate Marth's hitboxes Sometimes.

Not really. Maybe in advantage state but even then it's arguable.

Vincent Aguirre they know morr than you

And Bats Within as well

Just one move does not make a character the best in the game lol

In case of Witch Time, it still makes up a hell of a lot tho...

Not really.

asdbbt But I like hearing Bayo's screams of pain(~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

Their commentary ia great the only reason you dont like it is because you dont understand whats going on because its too complicated for tour tiny brain

Albert Valentine no she dont.looooooooooooooool. She overpowered.looool

Maybe not as good as you thought.

Dude just won EVO lmao.

Cusquenha it could also be that MkLeo is really good too

just because cheaponetta.. in this tourney he was one of the few cowards that picked her.. without her he doesn't have a chance. against anyone

@Art n Stuff You mean the guy that has won tournaments with only Samus?

not even close like zero s ddk

It worked. I mean it's not like Salem was really playing in a way that is good for dealing with them.

People really overrate how powerful she is. Shes easily the worst best character in Smash history.

Sonny NE You mean the most gimmicky best character in smash history. All the past best characters were extremely neutral based, and required u to be pretty much better than ur opponent

People just need to stop whining and learn the match up.

Sonny NE still get gimmicked really hard

This conversation is a little too civilized. Let's throw some wood in the fire. I'll start, >Marth is so overpowered and dumb. Like, it doesn't matter that Bayo can takes your stock off the top when all Marth has to do is spam attacks an get tippers. That's why I like ZSS, Diddy, and Bowser.

Pizza Shark But if you're Leo, it doesn't matter.

Apparently.

Bayo dominates many characters. It's good to see people learning to adapt to her.

IMO Diddy Kong and Sheik are more up there. Marth still loses against Bayo, but not as much as either of those two. In Leo's opinion, Bowser is Marth's worst matchup.

datautisticgamer Sheik beats Bayo and Diddy goes even with her dumbass

But Salem just won Tipped Off 12 recently using only Greninja hmmmmm

Except Tipped Off 12 was not stacked at fuckin all hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Jessica Flores Maybe because u r bad, counter has plenty of end lag for a punish, and shield break has more with startup lag

Late response, but it's easy to see where openings for counter are after a match is already over, but it's much harder during the match. As it stands, it's much safer to attempt an attack or airdodge, because if you whiff a counter, you're left open to strong punishes. Plus, excessive counters can get easily baited out. Shield breaker on the other hand has too much startup and endlag to just throw out, and like counter, can be baited out. It can be useful to use while on the ledge, as Leo sometimes does, and when you get a hard read.