If Arabella dies and Kagha is expelled, Arabella's mother tries to kill her at the tiefling party. Again, there's a huge difference in her demeanor depending on whether or not you've convinced her to turn on the shadow druids - but she always dies, unless the player convinces the mother to let her go.
Tbf, even if Komira doesn't kill her, she'd probably die in the wilderness via Halsin's banishment. Which is honestly the most fitting punishment for Arabella's murder. That way, she dies the same way as Arabella and pretty much the Tieflings she tries to evict.
I admire Halsin for one quality trait: he understands what it really means to be a Forest Warden, a protector of nature, especially in the faith of Silvanus. I should know, because I've had a D&D character who was an Elven Archer and a Silvanus follower. Halsin is correct that an idol is just a mere object, and a life is far more precious. Kagha's overzealousness needs to be a lesson for the others.
But she was persuaded by the shadow druids which have their own mindset of balance. Later once you go to baulders gate even halsin questions if they were actually right in their belief because of the filth and suffering he sees amongst the population in the city. He actually becomes very different once he gets to baulders gate.
I mean, Shar and Salune had idols, but they didn't emit a special auras like Silvanus's did, but it could be due to the druids, putting so much druid energy into the Idol for the ritual to happen
if both Arabella and her parents die, Halsin says something like “the parents should have decided your fate” so yeah he absolutely intended on letting Arabella’s parents kill Kagha. let nature decide her fate? murder is a natural cause
It wasn't until I was doing a Druid playthrough that I found out about the Shadow Druid subplot, and managed to make her see reason, and she named me Faithwarden for saving her and the grove from the shadows. From that point on, I swore to only ever save- not just the Tieflings- but every druid along the way.
@@FinestFantasyVI At the bottom right of the map, in the Sunlit Meadow/ Putrid Swamp, you'll find a broken wooden bridge leading toward a set of islands. You can jump to those and find yourself in a place called the Druid Sanctuary. You'll have to fight a few Ancient Mud Mephits and a couple Wood Woads, then go to the giant tree in the middle and pass a perception check to find a notch in the tree. There, you find a letter to Kagha detailing a plan by the Shadow Druids to take over the Emerald Grove, take that back to said grove, and confront Kagha.
Kagha was manipulated by the shadow druids, she can be reasoned with and i think truly regrets her actions, if you expose her. She could've payed more attention to the details, the aswers were literally all over the place, in the walls.
Omg Yes, this. I was a bit disappointed that the cool mystery evidence didn't lead to anything with him, the leader of the place. But oh well, maybe it's the Silvanus faith way if someone was already punished
He should have expelled kagha but at the same time gave her a chance for redemption, by fixing the shadow curse, turning kagha into a valuable companion
You find it in the big tree in the Druid Sanctuary, guarded by mud mephits and two wood woads (the place is South of the Hag swamp, past the bloody little camp. You'll need to jump across the water to reach it).
Kaghas not really bad, shes just scared and misguided by the Shadow Druids. The evidence to me for this is how easy it is to sway her back. The checks arent that hard, and multiple classes can say things that auto pass. Literally in some cases just reciting a line from her code gets her back. At the end of the day its as she says, she was just trying to do whatever it takes to protect her people and the things she thinks are important, she was just misguided on what was important.
@@CMiY0 Except its also insanely easy to convince her not to do that too. You can literally just say "ill keep her out of trouble" and she goes "yeah ok youre responsible now"
@@CMiY0 To be fair, she was relishing the idea of imprisoning a child. She was irrational and cruel, but killing the kid wasn't part of the plan. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the snake only bites if the player makes it happen.
Good point. I mean, she was objectively correct about the rite of thorns being needed. The Absolute's forces were planning to attack the grove, and without the grove being closed off, would have won. It's only because the player randomly happens to crash nearby and intervene, which no one could have reasonably predicted, that this doesn't happen.
@@maskydoo7871 Except that performing the rite of thorns is a direct violation of the tenants of the Emerald Grove. All three of them: "The Natural Order must be preserved no matter its form", which is violated by closing off the grove, "Forces that would disrupt the Natural Order must be destroyed" which is violated by hiding behind a barrier of thorns rather than taking proactive action, and "The Emerald Enclave must offer aid to the weary and injured", which is obvious. In every possible respect Kagha betrayed the ideals of the Emerald Grove, and had the rite been completed, that would have destroyed it more thoroughly than any external force could have. The correct course of action, if defending the grove were an impossible course of action which it obviously wasn't, would have been to evacuate it and either escort the Tiefling refugees personally, or attack the Absolute's forces with ambushes, making use of the superior familiarity a group of druids should have in the wilderness.
>abandons his job as protector of the grove >gets mad at the only person actually doing said job >leaves to go fuck around with the shadow curse Man hes a shitty arch-druid
He didn't abandon his job, so chill a bit. He found that drow with the parasite and connected it with the goblins (since the drow attacked him with them at the time), which were already attacking the drove in waves. Then he got captured and we came in Plus, fuk Kagha, Bart could do the handling just fine considering he kept her on a leash until we cleaned up the place
Being willing to kill a child to protect an inanimate object, sacred idol or not, is both objectively evil and not how druids work. Same goes with trying to banish the tieflings from the grove. It goes against everything the druids stand for. And Halsin never abandoned the grove. He went to investigate a threat to the grove and got captured, and he made sure to find a good successor before he left for good to deal with the shadow curse.
@@lordofthegeckos533 the idol is necessary for a magical ritual which would protect the grove, arabella stealing it prevents it being used for that. The tieflings likewise prevent the rite of thorns from being enacted and thus endanger the grove. Halsin left his position at a time of crisis to indulge his personal business with reithwynn, and after being rescued and finding out things did not go as he would have liked decides the proper course of action is to do it all over again, because surely after trusting kagha to take care of things and being upset about how she handled things trusting rath to take care of things will go just fine, clearly the mistake was trusting the person he kept as his 2nd the first time round, rather than someone lower ranking
Kagha also does not kill arabella, she imprisons her so she does not cause further issues and so she can be later held accountable for her actions. Arabella dies when she tries to escape.
@@lookielookie1393 he ran off to go looking for the nightsong because he cares more about the shadow curse than the grove he is supposed to lead, his abandoning of of grove - leaving it less defended and without centralised leadership since the tieflings don't listen to kagha - leaves it in a more vulnerable position, if he did his job people wouldn't have to try and use the rite of thorns, but he's an incompetent bufoon so of course he didn't do his one job
