Hantek 6022be For Automotive? | Oscilloscope Diagnostics | Mechanic Mindset 

Thanks Billy, glad you’re enjoying the videos! You too 👍

Happy I’ve help you make a great decision! How are you getting on with it? 👍

@@MechanicMindset Actually I haven't bought it just yet but definitely going to go the Pico route when I do. Thanks again for the great content in the videos..

Glad you're enjoying the channel! More to come

Thanks for watching Stephane, hope you and the family are all good 👍

Cheers, I'm gonna check that HScope out - only heard of it before but never looked in to it. Your 4x attenuator sounds interesting, I take you have a video for this? I had bookmarked some of your videos this week to have a browse through now the weekend is here! Cheers

@@MechanicMindset I do Darren, but was hesitant to post it (sometimes frowned on) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CoH1s9XZVAI.html Take care, Denis

I bought HScope, and the automotive features, but it doesn't work right with my Android 10 phone and a Hantek bl scope.

@@tonyfremont Tony, look for us on the TELEGRAM HScope Group and I or someone else smarter than I will help you out...

Another vote for Hscope. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. 👍

Thanks! Yeah, I think the 1008C is a great start, but you may out grow it quickly. I’m am happy with the small Pico, but agree; 4425 would be nice. We have a bout 20 of them at work! Glad you’re enjoying the channel, more to come! 👍

@@MechanicMindset 20??? So jealous!!! I'm still trying to get the shop to buy 1

Good to know, I will check it out. Theses things take time to pick up. It was the same with Pico. Yes, I will be looking at HScope for sure, only just been made aware of how flexible and powerful that software is. Thanks for the insights! 👍

What do you mean? I haven't found that record function. Are you talking about the official software?

Haha! Yes, choose carefully. If you are serious, you could out grow a scope like the Hantek quite quickly. Check out Pico 2204a, my best budget option 👍

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video!

Yeah got to give that a go. I had heard of it but never looked in to it. Looks great! Cheers

Thanks for watching 👍

You're welcome John! Glad you are learning from the channel. This is my intention!!

Don't be so sure :-) My advice would be to check more comments on this video (or to check some other reviews of that oscilloscope).

Haha, I was the same, I bought this years ago! I must admit, single trigger mode is the correct way to capture the RC test results. i also found out that normal trigger is better to use than 'auto'. My problem was I am treating it like PicoScope software! enjoy!

Awesome! I just bought myself the 1008c too to give it a go. 12bit resolution which is great! Yes the same rate is low, I am going to do a video hanging signals on it to see how it goes - buckaroo style 😅 It’s a great place to start and it sounds like you are doing great! Cheers Darren

Cool, how did you get on loading it up with the full 8 channels? Got to love the Pico products; they’re great to use and have some nice features 👍

@@MechanicMindset Running windows 7, so I didn’t have any issues. There are a few videos on RU-vid that walk you through loading the software and drivers on newer versions.

@@MechanicMindset I’ve only used 4 channels at at time and it didn’t slow down or anything.

@@steveburgandy2680 Ah ok cool. I wouldn’t know what to do with all those channels 😂

Cheers. Yes I suppose you would just have to adapt to using this scope! I don't like how when on a long time base you miss the shot on pause. It almost like you'd have to hit pause before you start your test to capture it. Not too bad for the money I suppose (£35 back when I bought it!).

And I see what you mean, use the single shot with the long time base. I had to think abut that as I have been spoiled Pico products and German OEM Diagnostics scopes!

Hi Javier! Unfortunately the Fiesta is gone now. I might do something in the future on O2 sensors. Cheers 👍

Glad you’re enjoying the channel! 2204A is an amazing little scope. Plus the software is pretty much the same as the Auto software; so many great features! Thanks for watching 👍

Sample rate looks impressive. However, still only 8 bit vertical like the 2204a, and I am not a great fan of the Hantek software 😬. The software is one of the biggest wins for PicoScope, so powerful!

Thanks for sharing John! I’ll have a play 👍

Awesome! Agreed, the Hantek software is t great. I know of HScope, are you in the Telegram group? I bought a cheap tablet earlier in the year but sent it back and never got round to getting another. What tablet are you using? It does look like a great bit of software, and so accessible you can just message the owner of it - Martin. Cheers for the nudge, will try and get back on it!

@@MechanicMindset no problem! I recently replaced my laptop with a galaxy s6 lite. Great little set up really. I have the 8 channel too. Low sample rate but 12bit vertical resolution.

@@matth9359 quick question, are you running the scope with a tablet as the display? If so I would love to know how to set that up!

@@michaelcruddas623 for the whole software interface really. Just using the hantek as the hardware. It's impressive stuff. It's an app called Hscope

Awesome, yes I have recently discovered that this software works with the Hantek! Going to get a tablet and give it a go. Looks like it has some great features! Thanks for watching 👍

Keep an eye on the channel, I'm going to make this video next! Cheers

Thanks for watching 👍

The frequency is fine. The sample rate is good. 8bit resolution is the main limitation, but there are ways around. You can see me use the scope I’m lots of tests on the channel 👍

Hi, not noticed it myself, but came across an issue where a USB hub/extension cause big issues with scope signal. Like unrecognisable CAN signals! So yeah, USB can totally affect the signal 👍

I have it but need to play with it more myself yet 👍 there is a great Telegram group to join for HScope

Hi, it sounds like this might be a problem with the oscilloscope

Sorry, I can’t think what you are describing

@@MechanicMindset they are called spoon type back probes, the ones that go around the weatherseal in automotive connectors. Diagnose dan uses them but he hasnt replied :p

At the time, no 😂. My brain was still in Pico mode where I can just scroll back through. But yes, I know what you mean - I should probably follow up to give the scope a fair chance! 👍

@@MechanicMindset even with pico I use the single trigger. I do a dummy run to make sure my clamp is in correct polarity and all that jazz. I use the 1008c as well. I actually quite like it for secondary if ignition but anything I need to read voltage levels etc I use pico

@@stephenmarshall5302 Yeah, usually use it for capturing MAP sensors while revving the engine. Had a look at the captures people are getting with the 1008c, I think the sample rate is pretty poor (for CAN etc), how do you get on loading it up with all 8 channels?

Hi! The PicoScope 2204A would be my top choice for anyone starting with oscilloscopes 👍. Great to have you on the channel, thanks!

OK for sure! I had heard of HScope, but never looked in to it, and wasn't aware you could use it with this scope. I have been spoiled with PicoScope and manufacturer integrated oscilloscopes my whole career haha! I'm gonna check it out and see how I get on. But yes, this Hantek software isn't the greatest.... Thanks for the comment

@@MechanicMindset Really looking forward to that video now. 😊👍🏻

@@MechanicMindset I'm interested in that video too. I have a 1008c and uscope, but you have me looking at the mini pico. I just discovered the hscope too, and also have the similar owon 2 channel in mind. Love the videos.

Sounds good. You need a usb-b to usb-c cable 👍

Cheers! Probably because the software isn’t great! Check out HScope, this is my next purchase. It’s cheap, runs on android and they have automotive add on. See The Gibby channel and The Gadget Playlist channel 👍

@@MechanicMindset i am exciting to see the video . keep the good work Mate

Hi Paul, yes you will be able to look at cam/crank waveforms. The analysis capability of the software is where you might struggle. It would be better to get something with rotational/degree rulers incase your reference waveform was taken at a slightly different engine speed. I would recommend PicoScope 2204A; the software is very powerful! I have lots of videos using it in my channel 👍. Look for the slack timing chain video 👌

Hi, yes it will! I have a few videos using it (one about injectors and a review of the CC650)

Hello, these accessories will work with the 6022be; I have them too. As long as the connector is BNC type.

No sorry, I have just bought the 1008c to try though, but the sample rate is lower than the 6022be

DC only coupling is a pain too. For the price it isn't terrible. Pico gets pretty greedy on price when you go from two to four channel models. I don't like that Pico won't let you use the automotive feature software unless you buy an "automotive" scope.

No hack for Pico Diag software though

@@MechanicMindset allegedly there is some kind of hack to get their automotive application working with their cheaper scopes, but it looked like something pico would probably address pretty quick.

Hi, think it only stores one buffer. But you can zoom out and move around a bit depending what time setting you use. It’s not like Pico where you have multiple pages and I can’t work out how to save the waveform.

@@MechanicMindset ok thanks

I need to play with this scope more; It’s not obvious it has a recording feature

Hi, which scale is that you ask about?

the voltage and time scale with the numbers@@MechanicMindset

@@elipsonj Sorry, I don’t know 😂. It was already set up like that for default. They automatically displayed when I used the cursor functions

You can for sure. I think maximum input is 30 or 35V on this. If it’s a higher voltage, you just need the attenuator

@@MechanicMindset thank you Sir

Thanks for the suggestion. I will look in to that, I’ve not considered them before. What price would you expect to pay for one?

@@MechanicMindset There are two sub-models: the "regular" 1022 and a 1022i, latter being USB isolated. The regular one costs about $70 and an "i" version around $100. The "i" version price is a bit higher than it would normally be because recent demand on those is clearly higher than supply. I suspect that slowly but surely increasing popularity is the cause.

Cheers Pavel. That will be Amazon, maybe it’s not available. Just search 20:1 Hantek Attenuator on google and you should find one 👍. I’ll double check my links too. Thanks for raising

and can I ask one more question? I will use the attenuator if the measured voltage exceeds the capabilities of the oscilloscope, am I right?

@@pavel7311 that’s right 👍. Basically all injectors and ignition coils (anything with solenoid). Maybe some others too

@@MechanicMindset thank you, especially for your willingness and speed, I have ordered 6022BE👍

@@MechanicMindset hello friend, you are my mentor, which oscilloscope should I buy better, 6022BE or 6022BL, I don't know which one is better, I'm an amateur and I'm learning, thank you

Hi, I’m on Windows 10

Yes 👍

I have not experienced the same. Have you tried in another laptop?

I think if you want it as a stop gap, go for the 2405A, 4 channels, decent sample rate, only downside is 8bit resolution. You will have no trouble selling it I. Should you need to (to me! 😁)

@@MechanicMindset Thanks for the reply,typical of my luck that i pay for your pico class,i've got the cash sitting for a 4425 'then' i can't get one anywhere! ;-) It would just be a stop gap.

@@robbocop33r12 Great to have you in the programme! Hope you’re enjoying the lessons. Just set up a live session for Sunday 👍

Yes for sure, I completely forgot about using the single trigger for the RC test; so used to Pico! I understand the Auto trigger doesn’t work so well either, better to use the Repeat function. I will do a follow up on this to give the Hantek a chance, it is good value to be fair!

Hi, yeah the x10 probe would work. I am using the automotive leads and they don’t have the x10 switch. Also you can’t attach 4mm probes and clips to the x10 probes 👍

Hi, I can’t see the link, but Hantek scopes are a good spec. I prefer the Pico software, but there are other options for Hantek like HScope android app and Open Hantek software 👍

@@MechanicMindset it's the hantek 7064be automotive kit

@@DependableAutoTruck Good scope by all accounts. Not tried it myself

Yes, I struggled to get Open Hantek working with windows 10. I have now got an Android Tablet with HScope installed. Can’t wait to give that a go 👍 thanks

Thanks for sharing! The 6074BE seems a fair price for a 4 channel scope with decent specs. This scope was $35 when I bought it new; to be fair, it performs well for the price! Yes, I forgot about single trigger in this video, my mistake! 👍

Could be, the leads I used here don’t have compensation. Most automotive leads don’t as we’re not really dealing with high frequency very often. Which waveform are you referring to?

@@MechanicMindset The CAN waveform you were trying to get a trigger on. The signal was dancing about the screen. That's what it will do. It obviously depends what you are looking at a CAN bus waveform for. 99% of the time it's to see if it's distorted. If a specific ID or packet that needs to be viewed then a logic analyser is better than a scope. The PICO is far better than the Hantek but it is a tad more expensive. The Hantek is usable for auto but does have limitations especially when trying to do CAM / crank on something like a modern transit with the CKP signal being Hall effect and very narrow compared to the wider CAM signal. Like you said, very highly sample rate (and internal memory) are the things.

Haha, what do you know about me?! I have actually been skateboarding since I was 12 😃

@@MechanicMindset i saw your tattoo on your forearm and also the volcom cap :) I have been riding since at least 92 and still do :) Im looking out for a handheld scopemeter for doing some car amp audio, but also for growing with for other car stuff. The mustool caught my attention like mds8207, it good pretty decent reviews for that price. Do you allow me to buy one, or should I look at some other scope? Cheers fellow skatedude :)

@@Helikopterpop Haha, that’s the giveaway. I started in 96 (when Thrill of it all came out). Still skate too, mostly vert now, but only been once this year 👊 I’ll be honest, I’ve not played with hand helds much, or audio analysis. I’ve done a little bit of diagnosis with fixed tones, but not in anger. I know your after the hand held but the Pico had a spectrum analyser too which I would imagine would be useful for audio?

@@MechanicMindset thrill of it all, welcome to hell, misled youth etc, nothing still to this day can compete with the feeling of watching those vids when they came out. But plan b second hand smoke and questionable video must be the favourites. All the tricks in the opening in splitscreen was better than any porn. Haha Okay well I hoped to avoid dragging around on a laptop to. I could get a real oscilloscope though maybe. But a handheld would be sweet. Do you actually solve lots of problems by hooking up the pico and test from the terminals? How much use would one have of owning a pico for instance? I have a pretty sweer autel computer type obd2 reader that can get pretty much information of the different sensors.

@@Helikopterpop 😂 Nope. Don’t forget 411VM! Yeah, the scope is a really powerful tool for diagnostics. In particular, identifying mechanical issues on engines, ignition systems, CAN bus, battery drains. The list goes on. Only hand helds I’ve heard people use are the fluke and Hantek models

I have heard that when the 1008c has more than 2 channels connected it starts to struggle. Either is a good start but I would recommend the PicoScope 2204a as a good start 👍

@@MechanicMindset ok I think so but picoscope is very expensive...

@@carlosvallejo4326 Ok, what I can see is the 6022be has better spec. There is also an Android based app which is automotive specific called HScope 👍

Ah ok, will give it a go. Have you tried HScope? Cheers

@@MechanicMindset I have the Hantek 1008 with HScope. HScope is nice but only works with two channels. I have a Pico 2204 on order also. Keep up the great videos!

@@magical40oz Interesting to know! Great news, love the 2204A! Cheers 👍

😅🤣 I’ve not tried it to be honest. Had a few requests. Will have to get one! Memory spec any good??

@@MechanicMindset As for memory spec, 64K waveforms, and I think on Pico it's 10K waveform memory buffer. Pound for pound (pound being $$$) it's punching above it's class. Like any tool, it requires some practice to develop muscle memory. Anyhow love the vids and best of luck in the new year.

Cheers, yes, I completely forgot about that at the time. Spoilt with PicoScope and the buffer memory 😂. Also the Auto trigger isn’t the greatest; best to use Normal 👍

Haha, I should have used the single trigger for the compression test. I have also found out that the Auto trigger doesn’t work as expected either

Yes, the Hantek software is certainly something I’d have to get used to. I think my trigger issues come from using Auto trigger too. I might look at some of the other software options for this scope. Cheers!

Hi, not a direct comparison. Just showing the difference of what you can get for your money. I think the sample rate specs are what make the bigger difference. And the Hantek software; which it seems they are still pushing with their later versions? A lot of people on a budget are still considering a decision between both of these scopes. What are your thoughts on both? 👍

I got one for a bit of self tuition, we use a IMIB at work ( I'm a BMW tech) which is good but don't use often enough, normally I use it for Lin Bus.

@@timtec3000 It’s great for starting out. I saw IMIB in action the other day. I didn’t see a time setting on it, just presets (ie LIN). I did my apprenticeship at BMW, there 10 years! Used to use DIS, the scope on that was pretty good 👍

I didn't across all your awesome videos, but I would like to know if already did reviews and test about Micsig scopes. All the best Darren.

@@AMGTOM Sorry, I don’t have MicSig. Check out Super Marios Diagnostics, he knows his stuff and has some videos with this scope 👍

Get what you pay for 😉👍

Hi, I’m good thanks. Check on Ali Express, it might be easier to get directly from China. That’s what I would do.

I did admit I am probably using the trigger wrong. Apparently it doesn’t work so well on Auto Trigger mode. The sample rate really isn’t great, and the compensation won’t correct the triangle effect on the CAN, it might be more square in a lower time base as the samples are used more effectively. The stock software isn’t great in my opinion; Open Hantek is an option but have tried to get this working with windows 10 with no avail! I did just buy a license for HScope, so will post a video of that soon, with both my 6022be and 1008c. This is all my opinion, and the truth is I bought this scope years ago (way before MM). I had a go with it, was a bit underwhelmed with the UI so it stayed in the box. The cheap Pico is really worth the extra; performance and software wise. But for the money, this does do the job with a little extra patience and compromise. Keep an eye for my HScope video 😁

@@MechanicMindset It's not only using wrong trigger mode. You are using wrong time div scale, wrong trigger level, wrong probe multiplier, wrong buffer view etc. The oscilloscope is triggering on the signal which is far on the left outside of the view you are looking at, that's why the signal is jumping around even if the auto trigger worked. You are looking far away from the place in the buffer where there was the trigger point. The pulses you are examining are far away from the pulses that activated the trigger. For example, if there are many pulses and you trigger at pulse number 1 and then scroll at the pulse number 100 (which is what you are doing) then, of course, the position of the pulse number 100 would jump around because the duration of all the pulses before is changing. There is a mark in the x axis where you have to watch the triggered signal. You are saving the vaweform as .txt file and then you are trying to open it as .rfc file - how could that work? As I said, 150 kHz bandwidth $20 DSO150 is enough for troubleshooting high speed CAN BUS if you know what you are doing. This oscilloscope is overkill for what you've been using it for and it has more than enough bandwidth (sample rate) for the signals you are capturing. Square pulse has infinite bandwidth and both 10 MHz and 100 MHz oscilloscope would show the square wave as a triangle (expecially when using the wrong time div) but that isn't important. You must know how the square wave looks like if the cutoff frequency is 100 MHz or 20 MHz or 200 kHz or 100 kHz. For example 100 megasamples means the oscilloscope could capture SINE wave signal up to almost 50 MHz but every square wave pulse has INFINITE bandwidth - you would have to capture the sine waves up to hunreds of MHz to see the square wave signal as peftect pulses. BTW, switch the probe to x10 to get less distortion because x1 has more capacitance. And you can use the compensation capacitance knob on the probe while capturing the CAN signal, you are not limited in using the test signal only when compensating the probe. I don't have that oscilloscope but I was not only checking the high speed CAN signal by using just DSO150 which is a toy, I was decoding the traffic using it :-) If you are complaining when using 1000 times better 6022 for the tasks you did in the video then you are doing it wrong.

@@MechanicMindset And there is one more very important thing - you don't want to set the time div scale to capture many pulses and to THEN freeze the buffer (pause the picture) and to change the time scale only then - after capturing. In that case it is to be expected to get very distorted waveform because there aren't many sample points during the one signal period. That way you fill the buffer with samples and then you are using only 10% or 5% of the sampled values to analyse the waveform. You want to FIRST set the time div scale to use the full buffer for capturing the pulse (or a few pulses) of interest only and then there will be many sample points inside one captured pulse and the waveform will look much better if not perfect.

hi.. did you have YT channel for me to improvise my oscilloscope understanding?

Haha, welcome to Mechanic Mindset where the smart mechanics hang out 😂

You need to meet more mechanics lol

Your probably the guy who fcks his car on Sunday and calls a mechanic on Monday

do you have whatsup ? i need you to teache me about it i have one to check sensor car thanks ​@@MechanicMindset

​@user-yf1fe7ei7n Technician!! Not mechanic, anyone can call themselves mechanic. In 10-15 years we will be electrical engineers....

Should’ve used single trigger

If you can stretch for a 2204A, it’s definitely worth it. But you can see the Hantek will get waveforms. I need to follow up this video as there are some issues that I need to fix due to me; user error!

@@MechanicMindset I start a new job soon covid has held things up cheers for the info.

😆 she lives

No, I need to play with it more to understand it better 👍

For £35 I wasn’t expecting great things from this oscilloscope. But it did everything we asked of it right? The software is what lets it down. As far as basic ‘DIY’ tools go, spend a little more for a PicoScope 2204A and you have a very powerful tool for the money!

😂 There’s a feature I completely forgot about called ‘single trigger’. This would capture it easy. Brain fart on my part haha

haha, looks like he had more patience than me! Another way to do it (as Gibby mentioned), use a single shot trigger and it should automatically stop the scope when the trigger threshold is reached - need to have a play. I am also going to look at getting HScope, that seems to be the way to go with this 6022be. Keep it up with the scope, it will all come together the more you play with it. Thanks for watching!

Haha, I agree with the long time base problem. Have you tried an alternative software? I think for the purpose of automotive diagnostics, it’s ok. But Pico is my preferred scope. For such a cheap price, I am not sure what we should expect? 👍

Hi, for sure, there are some features I didn’t take advantage of here which I will revisit. I think I will even look at alternative software. But please don’t mistake my observations for complaining 👍