@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 Eh, most Robins show more skin than Harley XD If I recall, there are several storylines out there where HQ is actually considered a member of the Batfamily, after her switch to being an Anti-hero...there's even one arc were she ends up being the therapist for the entire Justice League after a major tragedy. There's also the Injustice timeline (specifically the games) where she's basically Batman's right-hand gal in policing Gotham and taking down Superman's extremists. Basic idea though: as an Arkham psychotherapist and psychologist, HQ would probably have been a Batman ally in some capacity a long time ago, except for the Joker's interference, leading her down the path of trauma, abuse, and betrayal, before finally coming out of it at the other end by dumping his pasty white butt.
DCEU Harley also became one in the first Suicide Squad movie,her solo film and her SS sequel. It was by choice in her solo film and even briefly in the first SS film just before the final battle against Enchantress when she could have just left after the bar scene. But she chose to fight the Enchantress because she knew she posed an even greater threat then her and the other villains.
The worst part about it, Bruce does help with housing and other program in Gotham though charities like the Wayne Foundation and The Martha Wayne Artist Fund. He has even taken Business men to court who want to buy up older and poorer neighborhoods and tear them down.
@@ianr.navahuber2195 that's half way Batman is there. To deal with that corruption. But Brice doesn't just use chairty. He set up jobs, training, and getting good people into the proper or right position. Granted he can do so much food to comic but despite he play boy act he literally does good. If it wasn't for the stupidy of people and the writer he would be happy by now.
😍😍♥️🃏 I got to admit Harley Quinn looks Super Sexy in Robin costume . Harley Quinn in the robin costume look sexier than any of her another Harley Quinn outfits ♥️♥️🃏
True, but in both hindsight and retrospect Harley did have a point because let's face it even for a kid what kind of person in their right mind would wear shorts that are *THAT* revealing? a dumb question i know because we're talking about fictional characters here, but it's still a fact.
I’ve always liked the idea of Batman and Harley working together- In most media, Batman has pity for her as he can see the reality of her toxic relationship with the Joker, and attempts to reason it out in most occasions. And with her being a therapist, that’s just a bonus
@@ipsitahansdah7428 The batman animated series? With Mark Hamill as the Joker. I think it is also the one that introduced Harley's character to the rogue gallery of Batman.
@@ipsitahansdah7428 batman the animated series. from the 90's. i think it was the third season, it was a harley focused episode where she got outta arkham but had a bad day and relapsed.
Even worse considering it’s clearly how Batman remembers Harley back then so it’s filtered through personal bias. So she’s looking at an exaggerated version of her past which is honestly worse
Obviosly sharing a trauma related to loss also Batman and Harley Quinn being clingy types in their relationships results in a unique frienemies bond. They can relate to eachother and have some values in common. I would love to see how their friendship develops in further episodes!
@@wolfness27 Disagree, Joker full on manipulated her while she was treating him at Arkham, made her believe she was truly helping him, and then slowly twisted her perception of what helping him was. Definitely gaslighting, definitely not willing on her part.
Harley and Batman have legitimate chemistry as a duo. Not romantically obviously, that's just fucking weird, but they're honestly the best thing about the Injustice storyline in my opinion.
And her recognizing how bad she was. I mean sure she's still a villain, but man comparing old Harley and this Harley makes you realize she really has become a lot better.
What I love about this scene is it shows Bruce’s instinct to run away from that night. Anytime that night crops up, he jumps into the memory of Batman to hide like in this moment. Take away Batman, and Bruce simply can’t cope. Now Gotham faces a true horror. A Batman with no boundaries or restraints. A morally “flexible” individual who will stop at nothing to bury the trauma.
i really love how powerful this memory of joe chill is. Most people don't know him other than non superpowered goon with gun but this makes him the scariest thing Batman has ever encountered.
Joe Chill is the scariest thing Bruce has ever encountered...Batman on the other hand salivates at the opportunity of getting his hands on Joe Chill. It would have been cool if this depicted that. A scared out of his mind Bruce Wayne, being ferociously protected by Batman. Like a baby being guarded by a rabid Rottweiler.
@@jrob4795 even through his career, even once bruce triumphs over his fear of bats, the fear he holds for That Night will always hold dominion over him. Indeed, the fear of That Night is what consistently keeps him from being a valid user for a green lantern ring. Joe Chill? Chill is just some dude, Brucie Wayne can deal with that. Batman even has, in a few different cases. But That Night? The man who killed his parents? That fear sticks with him, and the version of chill from that night is a fear even Batman can neither beat nor escape.
@@danieljames1868 Except... We got a glimpse of how Bruce would have turned out if he got a Green Lantern ring in Dark Nights Metal. A Batman powered by rage, and a Green Lantern ring was... Not pretty.
@@danieljames1868 Exactly. When he's Batman and beating on some fool, he's able to be at that night, protecting his parents. He felt so helpless and powerless when he was just a child and those he loved were ripped away from him. It's his therapy. And even he knows how unhealthy it is, yet he still does it. As Batman he'd put Joe Chill in a wheelchair for starters. But back then Joe Chill was the worst monster imaginable.
No, it's dumb. Bruce Wayne does a lot to try to improve Gotham that doesn't include him wearing a cape, and trying to act like that isn't true because "Hurr, rich people bad" is a disservice to Bruce Waynes character.
@@planguy9575 It's obviously dumb, but it's fitting for the comical version of Bruce. And I like it precisely because it's not "rich people bad". It's more like, "rich, traumatized, ninja kid is disconnected"
@@planguy9575 also it implies that Gotham doesn't already have cheap housing like that should be the one thing Gotham does have because that explains why people live there cheaper than Metropolis or New York
@@DusBeforeDawn2008 well in the White Knight universe they are married, and I'm pretty sure she's a member of the bat-family in the mainline universe for now.
It was while he was under the effect of some drug or poison ( I want to say tetrodotoxin) where he hallucinated they 1 they were married and two she was Robin at the same time
@@epsome13 no no no there is actually a comic book where batman is married to Harley it's in the batman beyond storyline not the TV show batman beyond the comic book batman beyond
@sashas xrealm no she was talking about Ivy because she was talking about the "love of her life" and Joker said that it's too bad she'll miss her wedding.
This show is so good at writing these characters in such a different/fascinating way. Not that there hasn’t been deep dives into Batman and Harley and joker before because there has been, but this show presents it in such a refreshing way it’s almost better than live action in some ways. You can just do more with the animated format, you can show the more ridiculous side of comic books in a way you really can’t in live action unless you have a massive cgi budget.
@@MommyHelpU It's a nightmare if you're a comic book purist though, but it's nice that people who aren't as concerned with the source material, and power levels have something to latch on to.
The psychology in this show is masterful. If they keep up this level of quality, Harley Quinn will be remembered as one of DC's greatest triumphs, right up there with Batman: The Animated Series. They just need to be careful not to give this series the Game of Thrones treatment.
it's really good at balancing the comedic parody tone that allows it to do stuff that makes no real sense while still taking itself seriously enough to have real emotion and feel genuine
The fact Harley honestly sees the good in Batman and understands his pain shows how great a person she is, craziness and all. She recognized her weaknesses and vulnerabilities + toxic coping mechanisms, and sees the same issues in Batman.
@@Cugastratos Yeah, it's good to see her using it. She succumbed to so many issues herself and it took forever for her to dig herself back out. The irony that she could actually point this version of Batman in a direction that is super beneficial for society is kinda interesting. "Affordable housing" Bruce: Wait, what?
@@l0sts0ul89 He is a hero yes. She never saw the "good" in him before. Just him being a pest in her life. Her seeing the impact of his actions, her seeing the "good" in him combined with the inner turmoil he feels brought her to a new understanding. Plus you could argue, as she brought up with the housing, he could do a lot more to curve the crime rate if he invested in the city and people living there. But his style of fighting crime is also his drug for coping with his internal issues. It's not meant to be super effective, it's meant to enable him.
Not really, that point kinda ignores the part when the whole point of Gotham is how corrupt it is, and if you try to do things that way the money will just dissapear at some point, probably into a pocket of some crime family, who can't be removed by legal means.
@@i.cs.zamodits at the same time though, it is implied that bruce is so rich, he could basically buy a third world country. So using his money and wealth effectively could technically remove the need of being a batman. Remember, in the White Knight, Joker with a lot less resources managed to clean shit up in gotham as well...
I gotta say, Kaley Cuoco does a pretty good imitation of Arleen Sorkin's interpretation of Harley. Tara Strong, who currently voices Harley outside of this show, might have some competition. Also, I really love that nod to BTAS of Batman and Harley in silhouette with a bolt of lightning while the theme song plays. And Harley looks really cute as Robin.
This whole episode is nods from BTAS, Burton films, Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, 60s show even makes fun of the amount of times we've seen the Waynes die this and the Lego Batman Movie are the best Batman Media reference machine
Tributes to both Adam West ("Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb") and BTAS (The theme and the lightning strike poses) here. It's great. You've also got Kaley Cuoco trying to do her best Arleen Sorkin impersonation.
“People pay for housing?” I love this line so much. People tend to forget rich people like Bruce even with good intentions. Are oblivious to thinks that are issues in the lower and middle class. They just don’t know.
As everyone in the comments section has pointed out, Bruce DOES help with housing. And also housing should be the one problem Gotham doesn't have since it's nothing but a crime riddled city and who the fuck wants to live there.
I mean Batman does do things like offer jobs, training, and help with building/reinvating adorable housing but the issue is unfortunately that at least like a 1/4 of his rogues gallery prefer the city as is and will try to undermine him in it.
I think most females in the classic Robin costume is hot…Which makes it all the more weird and funny that it was worn by a grown man. Granted it was just supposed to be acrobatic tights.
this was a really nice storyline, harley realizing batman is a pretty good guy, appreciating what he does and showing genuine compassion towards his inner child and trying to help him heal as a therapist, we also get to see classic harley in all her glory as foil to current harley
You know I can see this being a starting point for HQ to go full heroic route, help people. On the other hand you could see this as a stabilising germ Batman needed to deal with his trauma. Excellent character piece this episode.
Yeah you can tell she’s starting to lean towards the good side. The last ep with her helping batgirl and now this one with her saying stopping baddies is fun lol
I like how this implies the HQ Batman is like an amalgamation of all past Batmen. A bit of DKR, a bit of Adam West 60s Bats, Bruce Timm Bats, the list goes on
Yeah I thought I recognized the Adam west running with bomb scene was a lot of nice references to past Batman’s (and other joker design) with this memory stuff
To be fair, it's because Harley feels that she has changed, which in the end she hasn't. She thinks she's in control now but in the end it's not like that It is always a follower, it is never harley quinn and someone else following her. She hates her old self because she recognizes that she could have been in control, but chose not to.she regrets that decision and wishes he could have accomplished something by herself
Holy shit! That Adam West reference, I never thought I would see the day of that being brought back! I'm gonna LOVE this one! Edit: Watched the rest of this clip, definitely gonna love this. I knew that suit rides up!
Yeah, it's a common smoothbrain take that "Batman doesn't do anything but beat up the mentally ill, instead of helping Gotham" and outright ignores all the charity Bruce actually does, and the fact that Gotham is literally, in universe, just cursed as fuck by magic.
@@FalonGreyHell, doesn't Bruce literally own a construction company literally created to restore and rebuild homes and property destroyed during his villain's rampages?
“Holy sanitized cursed word!” and “Holy Post Traumatic Stress Disorder”, omg, these lines really cracked me up. Harley becoming Batman’s new partner is like the Injustice timeline. They both have a traumatic past, they really work well together with Harley being Bat’s right hand gal.
"PUT ME DOWN FOR THE FISH!" (LIGHTNING STRIKE). See THIS... THIS is why BTAS kept Batman mostly silent when it came to "snappy" comebacks & catchphrases 😄 Also, is this episode... of HARLEY QUINN... the most accurate insight into Batman/Bruce Waynce psyche that we've ever seen? That can't be right 🤔😂
This series actually has an excellent understanding of psychology. Even when they completely rewrite a character like Poison Ivy, they're smart enough to keep her internally consistent and ensure that her growth is a logical progression for the personality that they've given this incarnation.
0:26 Is he this ignorant of the real world because this is 8 year old or is Bruce Wayne just out of touch? Personally I'm willing to believe it's the latter.
@bruhmanofyear2 I think it's the latter because if Bruce wasn't out of touch he'd have solved poverty already which cleans out a bunch of crimes like theft
He does use his wealth to help deal with Gotham's poverty. The problem is that Gotham is endemically corrupt by authorial fiat, and constantly plagued by criminals whose motivations have little-to-nothing to do with socio-economic deprivation. Lowering poverty would be helpful, but guys like Victor Zsasz or the Joker are not going to become good on account of it.
I love the fact they referenced the Adam West Batman running with that bomb on the pier. That scene always makes me laugh for just how ridiculous it is.
@@jamman9569 would you like to elaborate? A tanget: I know, there are Batman stories (like court of owls) where he does try to make Gotham better, but 1. its by bulldozer Gentryfication that simply runs over grown community structures (even in Gotham, there should be some worth growing and enhancing) 2. The effect seams negligible, if even really something happens (the status quo is seldom touched, even less long term) At least this is what impression I got. And please don't start with Bruce Wayne and his charity-funds. Charity is such a big thing in the US, because the social systems are chronicly underfunded to a staggering degree. I do have by the way a degree in applaied social studies. So it is still legitimate of you to disagree, but you should know, that I do know, what Im talking abought. The problems in Gotham run extremely deep and are systemic in nature. That means, the answers must be systemic too. (Affordable and healthy housing, fullfilling and adequatly paid work, unrestricted access to all kinds of social life,... for every person) I know that this would rob us somewhat of the need for a Batman in the long run, but I appreciate that the series acknowledges, this conundrum and the shortcomings of the cities heroes.
@@felixheitzer2262 it better shown comic. Bruce Wayne does actual do stuff to cut down on crime.l and help the city. Proper funding for school with a wide verity of programs for the kids. Schooling for trades and other skills for convicts to get stable jobs. He doesn't just blindly throw money at it and leave thing to charity. I can't remember the comic but it been pass around tiwitter and Tumblr so if someone know what I'm talking about and can post it. A character playing vigilanty hero is working with a other hero robbing drugs from a gang that can be used to help people. One hero says that the other hero wouldn't be able to help people like this if they were with batman.( I think at this point people see Batman as a bit hero not helping the smaller scrimes) and the other hero pony out that she was doing this with batman. That she got tips and help from Batman to do the same type of job their doing now. Batman and Bruce do more that just beat up bad guys and do a very of ways to help people. Heck one aspect I love when the don't make Batman crazey Steve is how he acts with kids in horrible situation. Much like with ace from justice league unlimited Batman shows he creates character in those moments.
It’s nice seeing Bruce have someone kinda praise him for his work, Batman and Spiderman are two of the world’s greatest heroes in their respective verses, but they never really get over their trauma that often so it’s nice to have someone kinda, validate the good they’ve done Also Harley had robin’s suit look hot af, and she’s rocking that thong lol
Nice mentionning Spider-man there, Who is probably along with Batman in the top 10 of the most traumatized heroes, and one of those who does the most good. Both indeed lack acknowledgement of their good deeds
@@maellesaliou5871 That’s why if I ever wrote a spiderman cartoon, I’d end it with the city of New York praising/cheering Spidey on as he swings into to save the day from some issue to book end it(except Jameson ofc whose just ranting, but everyone just sees him as the alex jones/karen figure).
There is no way not to be impressed with a show that within a few minutes lampoons the Batman movie from the 1960's, the Batman movie from the 1980's and Batman the Animated series as well as the main character.
0:01 - I've only watched this series sporadically but seeing this scene referencing the _Adam West_ Batman and then _Batman Returns_ immediately after tells me that someone somewhere in the production team _really_ cares about the source material and the longrunning canon of the whole series. The dialogue can sometimes be a little jank but it's all coming from a place of love.
@@radbman5932 Not really a reference just a coincidence. Psychonaughts probably isn't the only one to have a premise like this but it was the one that immediatly came to mind.
It's also the best argument for why The Richest Man in the world doesn't throw money at the reasons people turn to crime. He was to busy becoming Batman to learn that those reasons exist.
@@sultanmalik9808 He does actually all the time in the comics. In the comics, he combats the roots of crime by sponsoring social welfare programs and providing healthcare and education to the poor. Its just the editors can't let his efforts succeed cuz a crime free Gotham isnt good for comic sales.
I mean Clayface is an idiot who thinks that getting pile drived several times could kill him, it wouldn't surprise me if he just thought the gas worked on him and that made him legitimately pass out.
