I work with quite a few people who are educated far beyond their intelligence. I grew up on a farm; then, I joined the Marines; then, I went to college; then, I went to graduate school. I sit in meetings with people quite often who don’t seem to have any experience outside of academia. Many seem to lack self awareness, and I often wonder how some get through each day…
One of the major reasons why the education system is a dumpster fire in America is that almost every single educator and administrator involved has zero life experience outside of academia.
As someone who helped a childhood friend on his farm for 2 summers of my early teen life, I read "grew up on a farm" and the rest of the credentials didnt matter ... I hope one day a man like you might be president and have the respect and authority to make the changes this country needs.
@@crabbyalthegrump641 Well, that is a very nice thing to say. I have been a mayor in a very small town. I’d like to think we made a difference for some folks. But people like me don’t get to be president. Politics is a nasty endeavor, even in a small town at times.
Facts. As a academic I'm ashamed of how many ppl worship fornal education as if it makes you a prophet. Plenty of educated fools and manipulative wizards
@@kanesmillie40 aka working in education. I need you need attention with with your trolling but come on. At least have a insult in there. What makes it impossible that I could be that?
Good your grounded and open minded. There’s a advantage to academic education in the fact of knowing it’s not that great per say. You got the graduation process and you can socialize easily well via culture conversations like I went to this college you went to that one… joke joke and share… If you don’t go to upper level school you easily miss allot of social vibes. I know, I didn’t go. I’ve also hit over 1000 books on my own and know allot of things ect from exploring and decking in… Problem is as I stated earlier and one never gets a outer confirmation of accomplishments. School does do a good job of sealing that in. Too good sometimes when a fool with a degree is pompous she/he / they ect.
i'm a technocat and good intentions wont built technology or a functioning paradign hes experssing feelings feelings are dangerous they interfere with logic its why things are so mesed up people feel they dont think they dont know how society should be rin be experts like singapore is
His manner of speaking belies his lack of formal education, he’s speaking in vague generalities, about geopolitics as if the arts/and/or the THEATRE has ever solved such issues
How refreshing to actually listen to an interview where the interviewer asks intelligent questions and allows space for the interviewee to develop answers. When will this style ever return?
the problem with "in" is it's terrifying. not many people want to look. because you see death, there. you see inadequacy. you see all the ways the world is impermanent; all the ways that what we used to believe was whole, when we were children, is actually fragmented. and, most terrifying of all, you see the artificiality of this world that evolution has forced us to build, and how unsatisfying it is. yet, people who avoid "in" will also not realise the most valuable truth of all: that "in" is all that matters; and that it leads us to look outward at every one of our fellow human beings, and see that we are everything to each other. there is nothing else.
@@howard5992 While I currently work in a higher learning setting, I always personally felt that in most cases doing and experiencing should be at the fore, if nothing else suggests the contrary. Theory can be useful when we get stumped in practice or needs to investigate our own presumptions because something is not working, and certainly it can offer new perspectives and help indicate solutions or potential ways ahead. But at the end of the day, the world is more complex than theory and sometimes experience and the intuitions derived from it are just more useful than formal description which is after all - reductive. I guess it’s a Dewey-ish scepticism on my part. As a student I always used to gravitate towards teachers or voices in the field which had SOLID experience inform their application and use of theory but also had broad scientific or academic knowledge of the field.
We cannot abdicate responsibility to the formally educated. He's a street Hitchens. Absolute joy to find this. I've always admired his work. Now I admire the man
I got my MBA while working different shifts on the PD and going to court. That said some of the most arrogant, stupid people I’ve met wore their advanced degrees on their sleeve looking down on everyone else. My advanced degree got me a nice bump in salary and that’s why I did it. Mr. Keitel is absolutely right, much respect for him and many like him.
That's why some people get degrees, to legitimize looking down on everyone else. It's a formal excuse. And it's also why wars and crises of all kinds are being conjured up, as a reason to push some politics / economic changes / businesses, or shutting down competitors. Aka, how to transfer tax money to where you want to, and/or lock people up and destroy businesses, at will. (Under 'emergency condition protocol', aka self-righteous dictatorship practice.) 'We totally didn't want to, but the stats showed us we had to do it, to save lives. And look, the stats also show that we totally saved lives. We may have overreacted, in good will, but we did the best we could with what little information we had, in our humble well-educated expert opinion, that overrides everyone elses, obviously, and rightfully so.' And the ruling goes on. In a nutshell, the academia is there to deliver legitimacy to power. And the media delivers their message, whilst defaming everyone else. (#Excusonomy, #Lockdowns, #Tyranny)
Agreed, higher education and a 'degree' are no guarantee of any kinda 'superiority'. Though IMHO, Harvey's intellectual _curiosity_ is the exception rather than the rule among most lower income folks, who are often the most resistant to any form of 'change', and generally show a marked disdain for _edu-macation', if not outright 'anti-intellectualism' And apparently he was also able to overcome the other 'cultural' problems that often come with it, like the frequent chip on the shoulder, sense of 'victimhood', and 'learned helplessness', "I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious." -Albert Einstein
@@klowen7778 Interesting view, you have. The opinion that the educated community is more accepting of change is somewhat laughable. Though the continuous alterations to science, while never admitting the necessity, is fun to watch. The complete inability to admit that their education might be flawed, or incomplete, that a great many have been less than ethical throughout that education, that a majority of that education is regurgitating outdated and/or biased information, that the educators were taught the same information, these things make the less-educated question the value. From where you sit, yes, the lower life-forms do seem resistant to your changes.
I would say that whom or what you become educated by, is important. You can receive a wonderful education in a formal setting, on a farm or in industry. Being lucky enough to meet the correct mentors/teachers at the correct moment in your life is the difference between a full and happy life, or one you come to regret.
The only thing I ever developed through theatre was a stiff neck from looking behind me all the time to make sure no one was about to stab me in the back. However, the same can be said for med school or any other professional graduate program. (And you should meet the young seminarians I've been introduced to. It's all about who gets the wealthiest church by kissing the fattest ass.) It all just goes with the territory. My motto: knives out.
@@maxalberts2003 Hello from u.k. You are correct! Does not matter where you work or study, it’s the survival of the fittest. I worked for 35 yrs in a U.K.based, U.S. owned car assembly plant. Survival of the fittest, is an understatement! Talk about characters! Everyone apart from about 5 people in 35 yrs, turned In an Oscar winning performance every shift! ME included! DOG EAT DOG!
I used to believe that having a high degree of formal education was the mark of an intelligent person. After the last decade or so however, I’ve come to realize how arrogant and close-minded many of the people in academia are. Complete intolerance of diversity of views is the opposite of intelligence.
Education is not the end all be all, but it certainly helps. In psychology they talk about critical periods. During critical periods in your life, it is important to be exposed to appropriate challenges in order to grow. Education is a way to challenge yourself during the various critical periods in your youth. That doesn't mean you cannot be challenged in other ways during that period. Going into acting and such can also allow you to be challenged. However, for many not being in school during youth is not replaced by another challenge or experience.
great comment. But I think we should be careful of the tendency to discount formal education, because this tendency is used by those with power and money who don't want to fund public education. I'm no fan of public education as it exists, but I don't want to get rid of it. Generally speaking, educated people are a threat to entrenched power. In a democracy we need this, but this is a blind spot in American ideology (which goes with another blind spot: the misunderstanding that we Americans have no national ideology). It's also reflected in the lack of (or seeming lack of) intelligence and education on the part of our elected officials. Bush, Trump, Biden all display this. Bill Clinton is extremely intelligent and educated, but you wouldn't know it from watching him on TV. In America, those that show their intelligence and education lose elections.
Education helps. Being exposed to timeless questions by some of the greatest minds helps. Indoctrination doesn’t. Learning the new tenets of approved thought doesn’t.
there are plenty of educated idiots out there; sometimes theyre the majority. ive studied alongside them, ive tutored them, ive worked for them. they need you to believe the hype. edit: some of them call themselves "educators."
Statements like this are why we need more and better education. Otherwise, we end up with an antiintellectual utilitarian society that values money over everything else. Saying that we don't need education in philosophy, ethics, political science, sociology, history, etc. is about as narrow-minded as it gets. That's the kind of society where Harvard economists run the show, and they surely don't empathise with the 'common folks'
I remember painting a hotel and everyone knew Harvey was on the way but when he got there it may as well being anybody. He is a nice person like anyone else. The name was bigger than he was. He was a normal man just doing his own thing. Thats why i doint understand celebrities as being imported.. he didnt try to be important and thats the good thing about it
Wow! This blows your head off. He should have stood to be the President. As a fellow lower middle class, I love his his first line 'Herein lies the rub' (Hamlet).
As Hamas attacks Israel, and we all anticipate Israel going too far in response, this interview is suddenly very relevant. Does the RU-vid algorithm have a sense of this? Is that why it’s laying this before me?
I have Ph.D. Some of the smartest and wisest people I know do not have advanced degrees. They are insightful, enlightened, generous and filled with love. They have experience, a healthy skepticism, they ask lots of questions of the world and listen carefully for the answers. Formal education has a place, but it has a lot of room for improvement.
I really like what Harvey is saying. I grew up in a family where basically everyone had a fancy degree and they only respect other people with a fancy degree. Its funny when someone doesnt have that fancy degree but has so much experience instead. All Ive ever wanted was a career in music and most of my family thinks im a crazy person but they'll never understand the power that music really has on me and on the masses that care about the art form.
I didnt remember writing this comentaer but it Is exacly my expirience. Now i can only be piano tuner but still in a road to finish my music school and diplom . To be clear i didnt even start after me losing that posibility but now when i am grown up i know Its my goal. I love pianos and i was exceptionaly good at it . Finishing school kind of didnt match to tor comment but i mean Its two in one and also anybody Is apricieating it and it sad. They also dont find people without any education atrractive . Its very common between educated people. I preffer simple people instead
Lol, yeah that’s definitely the life of a musician alright… no one will respect you until/IF you find success . Comes with the territory. May the odds be in your favor. Good news is….the grass isn’t greener on the other side.
I find it attractive for me now when I am grown up just to do it only for myself. No competitions no shining no parents no friends no enything except Me and now it is pure i know this. I won't find any succes at classical piano music and it is even better. I only want to maintain my talent for me.
Sad to say, it's probably even harder to make a career in music now than it was in the 60s - 00s. Unless you want to pump out formulaic "content" (beats with heavily repeated, hyper-simplistic lyrics), your art will most likely fall through the cracks. Very few real artists get exposure anymore.
Hello from the u.k. Correct, my dad told me something similar on those lines when i was about 14 yrs old. Like listen to other people’s point of view. Even your opposites, and always put yourself In the other blokes shoes. Listen to people, and if someone rarely speaks and has an opinion, look at that it could be the right one.
Work ethic? You mean going to work at the same time to the same place with the same people day in & day out for decades, toiling away for some corporate entity's bottom line ?
@@TheRhNegativethat’s not what work ethic is. Work on yourself, for yourself, by yourself, consistently, as a way of life. Work ethic without understanding where is the best use of your time and efforts and what is just a means to an end is how you end up with people stuck the mindset and life you describe. It’s because they left school unable to think critically, which is essential to solve the problems of your own life This doesn’t happen at scale, by accident. State education produces what the state needs, and that’s what drives the design. It’s designed to produce millions of low skilled service workers who have written off their own chances before they even leave school.
I'm from AL, born in rural area 1980. I aced all tests in school and did not play sports or fit in very well. I thought all the people around me were simple, backwards fools. I left AL to go to boot camp in Chicago, then I was stationed in San Diego. People are the same everywhere. A lot of the "old country folk" are a LOT smarter (and even wiser in some cases) than I gave them credit for. Also, I've come to realize there are different types of intelligence for sure. And wisdom and knowledge are not the same! No sir they are not!
What an amazing guy. I did a couple of short acting courses. They were like an actual degree in 'psychology' - psychology in the latin derivation meaning, not the synthetic perversion of today. Kind of what he mentions
These words from ex-marine #HarveyKeitel about politics & education have as much resonance today as they did 30 years ago. Arguably even more so now, due to recent events.
One of the greatest actors of American cinema and theatre. Period. Education, whether formal or informal, needs to be ongoing as a result of curiosity. Harvey earned a PhD in Theater and Life studies.
It’s the piece of paper not the knowledge Look at how society views someone who drops out with 1 semester left before graduation vs one who completed it. The former has 87.5% of the knowledge of the latter yet the chasm of perceived knowledge in the public eye is not mere 12%
Some of the least “intelligent” people I’ve met are PhDs. Half of the smartest people I’ve met are working class, not middle class. It really upsets me how Americans are obsessed with a college degree as a mark of accomplishment. I dropped out and felt like a failure. I went back to school and got a masters. But the biggest education in my life came from life. In fact I sometimes think I would be smarter if I never went to school. Travel, work, having children, having a sense of wonder, thinking for myself, and imagination… these are the best educators. And they come free
I was thinking the same thing,and that this is an old clip judging by how young these two look,and also I was probably watching real time because I hardly missed him at the time.
Great sentiments by Harvey! So true that there is often great wisdom outside of the intellectual elites. And there is often stunning lack of wisdom among the highly educated. But it’s not fair to stigmatize either group. I’ve certainly known lots of small minded undereducated people also - and exemplary intellectuals. I tend to think education is great, but, more importantly, wisdom and kindness and openness to others is even greater. But having a bias toward learning and self examination tends to right the ship in life.
Thanks Darren, that was.... enlightening. How generous of you not to pick one side as being any better than the other. That's the sort of the magnanimity you couldn't have picked up anywhere outside of a top 50-rated liberal-arts college. And I don't think anything in particular leads to the right ship in life. Human society is pretty much doomed. It's staring us straight in the face, and it is by now abundantly clear that humanity in general as well as the individual human beings that comprise it, have not picked the right ship in life. Not even close. And it's difficult to point to anything nearer the beating heart of own imminent self-destruction than our formal/higher education system. It's nothing but a class system, that's all it ever was. A class system for the post-aristocratic age, and dispenser of de facto pedigree. And if anything has poisoned the hearts and minds, indeed the very fabric of modern western society, it's that. And it's that naked and totally undisguised chase for class and status, and all the amenities and security and comparative privilege and self-worth that comes with it.... and for which higher education, as well as the ensuing rapacious careerism and bourgeois elitism, is the principal vehicle by which to obtain it in our blessedly liberal and enlightened society, that will have destroyed us. So I'm just saying.... And I will add I wasn't really expecting to get this random Harvey Keitel clip in my RU-vid feed, but I'm happy to one-up his sentiments expressed....
While playing violin in the Orchestra Pit, in a College production of "the Music Man" Totally out of the Blue, I was asked to read for the lead part in "Picnic'.so I relate very well with what Harvey is saying here. We all Act out our parts in Life, but when you hit the Stage, there are no Illusions, nothing to Hide Behind. It was one of the most Real things I have ever done. A group of Strangers became a Family. We all had learned each other's weaknesses. So we could call each other's Bluffs. The big plus is that you can learn practically everything: Carpentry, Sewing, Painting, Set Design, Singing, Dancing, Electrical, Lighting, Sound, Marketing, Makeup, and have a lot of fun doing it. Tom Hanks's new novel on the making of a Film, explores this from nearly every Angle and is a Fun and Brilliant read. I recommend that anyone interested, seek out a local theater group and Volunteer.
I can't watch Charlie Rose without thinking about him getting up and then coming back naked in front of his female guests. I would love to interview him and ask if he was trying something new or if this is something that has worked for him in the past.
I couldn’t agree more. I’m a “learn by doing” type, I don’t mind having information to refer to, but always learned quicker by doing something rather than reading about it.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:32 📚 Harvey Keitel reflects on his journey into self-discovery and education despite leaving school at 16. 02:08 🌍 Keitel emphasizes the need for people to take responsibility for societal issues rather than relying solely on formally educated leaders. 03:35 🎭 He suggests that theater and art can provide valuable experiences that bring people closer together and promote understanding. 04:52 💬 Keitel questions the role of formally educated leaders in political conflicts and wars. 07:14 ✨ He discusses his transformation from a young Marine willing to fight for his country to a reader interested in mythology and self-discovery. 09:11 🤔 Keitel shares that he has no regrets and sees every experience as an opportunity for growth and self-discovery on his life's unfolding path.
Having a university degree or similar just tends to be a marker of someone who likes to learn and has a curiosity about the world. Not all of course, and not all uneducated people are incurious and ignorant. There are no hard and fast rules.
I have always looked up to this actor. His personality and integrity is in my opinion pristine. Too bad he did not appear in more movies. He must be a superb stage actor. His strength and skill stems from his honest approach to living ..
Much of what Keitel says is right. But his points on education should not be mistaken for approval of the current denigration of intellect and education while celebrating ignorance and more regretfully, willful ignorance - as if being uneducated is a badge of honor, and identifier as being a 'real American'.
Only oneself determines whether we want to be good or bad when we evolve as humans. Even the poorest of us know the difference 😢I came from a family of 8 to poor Irish immigrants in London. Not one of my brother's or sister chose bad lifestyles. One brother died on his sixth birthday and our Father died in his prime leaving my poor mother to raise the seven of us, no matter how bad life can be NEVER resort to the wrong decisions that will alter the life's of everyone around you. Be the absolute best you can and love yourself ❤❤❤
Mr. Keitel is absolutely right!👍🏻 I have 3 degrees, but did those degrees make me any smarter, wiser, or superior in any way? Absolutely not! I only went to school and got those degrees in order to make more money. Sadly, I found after all that hard work I only ended up turning around and taking whatever extra money I received to pay off the exorbitant student loans I was forced to get in order to receive them.🙄 I am far more proud of my life experiences and the wisdom I’ve learned through traveling and from all of the people I’ve met along the way on my journey in life. I would have to say that I probably educated myself far more than any education I received through schooling. I have made more friends and met people from every walk of life that do not have a formal education that have really taught me far more about life and myself than I could have ever learned in school. That is why it is so important to travel, try new things, be creative, develop one’s spirituality, and be open to many different kinds of people and experiences, as it is those things that will teach you more about the world and your place within it.🙏🏻❤️☮️
I left school at 16, and went to University later. I ended up with 2 Degrees and a Masters but those aren't the qualifications that I'm most proud of. I'm not a vocational teacher but I did a course in tutoring adults. That was the first time I understood that knowledge doesn't matter very much without communicating with other human beings.
Harvey Keitel you are the man! I had a similar journey and education can be hitching oneself to a starbeam. Absolutely could not be done without friends - could be done without family, but absolutely my journey, any such journey, can never be undertaken with friends, good good friends.
No one should claim that education comes only from going to college. It becomes a playground to get educated formally and a training ground, though. Many go to college to get to the next socioeconomic level - they do not have resources to take a gap year or experiment with what the future should hold.
What Mr. Keitel is saying reminds me of two quotes: "Don't let school get in the way of your education." -- Mark Twain "Experience is the heart of wisdom." -- Leonardo da Vinci
You don't have to go to college to be well read. Being well read is the foundation of a good education, so I respect that. I know a lot of people with degrees who stopped reading when they graduated. This is much less admirable than someone who hadn't been to college but reads widely. And yes, experience in the real world is so important. And yes, the structures of society are everyone's responsibility - they shouldn't be left to the upper classes to do what they want.
True I find my curiosity has me exploring New to you You Tube, but my reading time is much reduced so I am not exposed as much to the art of imagination represented in stories which require an in depth personnel understanding of human nature by the Author.
I have a library card with no late fees. Anything you could possibly want to learn is at your local library and the wealth of information available through the internet can be infinite.
'It is necessary to speak clearly and precisely of the civilizing mission of art... It is also necessary to speak of the moral effect which a work of art produces on people, on the public, the moralizing strength of Art, [which is] more salutary, more pacifying than that of Politics.' Jean Delville - La mission de l'art (1900)
Winston Churchill wanted to be on the beach on D-day. Napolean was noted for doing this too, when called for. There is something honorable in risking your own life at the front of your armies.
Sure Harv, formal education can be blinding to much in the world, just as ignorance can bloom into hubris. If we all cooperated instead of locking into us-them, up-down, more-less we’d all do better. Go figure.
Hmm, as an academic from a middle-class family, education was my way to a better life with financial stability and a means to provide for my family. I also care deeply for my students. I don't believe in such a thing as "the superiorly educated" whatever that means. Not everyone wants to go to university and that's fine, but the one thing about an education is you keep it for life. People can lose money, power, and sadly health. But, when you earn your degree It's yours for life. Having said that my mother didnt go to college and was a very intelligent woman. Intellogence and education aren't one in the same. In Mom's case she was a very intelligent person, just not formally educated. In any event, statistically a person will make significantly more money in their lifetime if they have their degree compared to those without one.
I've thought about this before. I lived on campus for 4 years and a very good university and I learned much more from the people I met than whatever I learned in the classroom.
Working class folks know this. It’s the upper class that has no respect of the knowledge and skills of the working and lower middle class. We are constantly underestimated and shut out from participation in the structural organizations dominated by the “formally educated.” It wastes so much potential and oppresses the larger portion of society.
Thomas Sowell would agree with Harvey Keitel. But don't throw formal education away for suburban ignorance - that's been the greatest decline since 1970. Ignorance being "celebrated". Expertise is a real thing, as experience is ...
Hearing him expound at length on this at length is genuinely amazing, because that’s just *exactly* the way in which Scorsese has him play *Judas Iscariot,* as a Fulltime, 24/7, 365 grassrooots-radical Freedom Fighter /Domestic-Terrorist, operating on the local, grassroots-Level -
I worked in an office of high-powered academics. Some were kind, some were not. Some were useful. Some were not. The defining factor of less-than-savory behavior centered around the combination of classism and privilege. The resulting entitlement was so intimidating that many at the top got away with offences that we peons couldn't fathom.
If Harvey was better educated, he'd be able to analyse geopolitics on a less superficial level. He's a great actor, but he should stick to theatre and get out of politics and philosophy. Sorry, Mr. Bad Lieutenant.
I think his logic is good, but he perhaps lacks knowledge and therefore understanding. Religion tends to separate people by design. Different language, clothes, beliefs. It's about preserving a culture and controlling how people act. There's no way that people from different religions could come together and change, because their religion directly tells them not to.
I'm sorry, but this is pseudointellectual nonsense. I agree that not all education is formal education, but in this interview, he's clearly performatively speaking in a manner in which he thinks intellectuals speak; meanwhile, he says nothing perceptive nor coherent. It's an ignorant man's idea of piercing insight.
