Has Identity V Become Unbalanced? - Ft. DianeRaindrops 

Thanks Diane for the conversation and for the gameplay (yes I am aware I accidentally uploaded the same match twice... oops)! If you want to check out her content, here are the links: Twitch: www.twitch.tv/dianeraindrops Twitter: twitter.com/DianeRaindrop

Thank you again for the invite. I had a lot of fun, let me know if you wanna do more like this.

Petition to make a podcast of Diane and Phoenix talking about the game cause wow was this relaxing to hear

i dont like bringing back Doom shock even being a main hunter, because the whole match will be just luck, like "oh i had luck, free win" the game shouldnt base on rng

Identity v : Ah yes my game is sooo balanced Also Identity v: *Unbalanced Survs and hunters*

Current state of idv is, if u play non meta u gonna have a hard time, if u play meta or tournament viable u are good to go. So I'd say idv now is pretty competitive

I remember coming to the game when it released in my country (end of 2018) and damn the game was just so much more fun. Even getting to higher tiers was fun. The hunters felt scary and a bit too strong, but it only added the extra seratonin to know that you won against an op hunter. The thing that got our attebtion in survivors was how op gardner used to be. When the hunter had to bring adnormal to fix a chair... but then we left for 2 or 3 seasons due to personal reasons and ping (some things never change) and when we came back, we werent happy to see that emma was no longer op. I got into hunters, and then season by season the situation got worse and worse. Cipher rush is constantly buffed by decoders, decoders get unfair buffs (lawyer is no longer weak, AND still has the terror shock immunity) more and more hunter nerfs, and who knows how many are yet to come. The game is just not fun anymore. Survivors are complaining because they just need to decode all game, and get no hunters, and hunter side is becoming smaller because hunters are bullied. And dont get me started with madeyes. The last time i saw him was when i faced him on his release. I faced him EXACTLY one time because noone plays him.

I’ve never thought about adding doom shock back, when I heard about it I was like wow good thing that was removed but now it makes sense for it to be added back

I would love to see big balance changes at least Once per year where all S tier Survivors And hunters will get nerfed, and the weaker ones get buffed, or even tho Its a lot of work, Once per year look at every Character in the game and either buff or Nerf them

Playing Hunter Rank is Depression

The cipher rush has gotten so bad that survivers don't even need to rescue becuase if the person does an ok kite by the time they die 2 ciphers left then by the time you hit someone else "cipher machine primed" and then borrowed time goes on and the survivers get an easy tie with out haveing to leave there ciphers and its a little bit sad.survivers abilitys have gotten so op that perfumer and female dancer ,priestes and prospecter can just kite entirely for 30s enough to get them a win by just running and spmming there abilitys they honestly don't even need pallets anymore espaccialy perfumer who I think they really need to implement a nerf on.

My gf got me into the game back when Joseph and soul weaver were S tier, and things like doom shock used to make me so mad and I remember being happy that they removed it, but now that I'm an experienced player and now that I play hunter rank more I get mad that most of the time I'm fighting for a tie and I would love for them to add it back. Like it's super frustrating being a hunter in rank when I know for a fact I'm playing well and I barely get the tie. Makes me not want to play hunter rank anymore. There's has to be change immediately because I'm at a desperate point rn were I'm honestly considering looking into other games to put my time into

I would love the idea of camping chairs being not meta and cipher rush being nerfed. it would be more enjoyable

i will like to see at least 2 things that will balanced the game a bit 1. a buff to the panic talent in a way that reduces more porcent of the decoding speed (at least to a 5% to a max of 15% or 20%, that way the survivors have to heal instead of just rush ciphers, making mid game more towards the hunters, until accelerated decoding) and a comeback of the animation when a calibrations fails, there is too many times when survivors still decodes even when a hunter is near because there is no fear of getting hit by the animation as past seasons. 2. there is still and more than ever not many main hunters at least in na/eu because of the nerfs and i think this important issue, the way the game introduces hunters to the new players, i consider that hell ember shouldn't be the first hunter to a new player, the gameplay and his viability is not something for a new player, a hunter like ann or gamekeeper that a better chase and are more viable (at least in low tiers) will give the player a more fun time and the posibillity to just no try playing as a survivor most of the time. also there is the problem with how much the characters cost, ¿Why a hunter cost +1500 clues more than a survivor? it feels that the developers want players just to buy survivors and making harder to just go as a main hunter and try new characters ;;

Alright, let´s talk about this a lil bit, state of this game is... bad, I am an S badge Hell Ember and I play all rank sessions (6 hours a day) most of the time, it´s super stressing, unmotivating, and forceful, 1 mistake will destroy ur entire game (as said in the video) and if you go against no weak characters, you are done for. Ciphers are being decoded super quick and it´s overwhelming, I had multiple games where I was sure to win, but lost... most common reason of losing is the last cipher being popped and dungeon. Hell Ember’s AI is usually broken, it can be juked if you know how, and if you want it to go somewhere to chip survivors it basically turns around with words : “fˇck this shit I am out” Honestly, this game is way too unfair towards hunters... I play this game since season 2, and started maining Hell Ember after his buff at season 4, still maining him to this day, but the more survivors there are, the harder it is to win, this game has enough characters and they should focus on balancing them, not making new ones !

I believe Rank is so cruel for hunters they're going absolute crazy in Duo mode and survs rarely get wins here :'D

"Has Identity V Become unbalanced?" Me, a streamer that's a top 10 Luchino who plays against meta teams: Y E S

I’m an A badge hell ember and C badge smiley it’s so hard to get wins

As a Mind's eye main, I can understand why the hunters get frustrated (since I'm a part of the problem :'>) but the only reason I'm a decoder is because that's all I can do, if the Hunter sees me I can't kite, if somebody's chaired I can't rescue, and since Identity can be pretty toxic I don't want to bring the team down either, since you never know who's gonna be mad. On another note I got Geisha once and wanted to start learning Hunter only for all the survivors to gather around me and kite me thru the entirety of the game, I don't remember what characters they were but I do remember there was a Cowboy so there's that. That made me never want to play Hunter again and I haven't, so the part that survivors are bullying hunters is very true.

I don't want doom shock back because it's luck based, not Skill based. I do think there should be more incentive for hunters to go away from chair, but cipher rush just doesn't allow it. I'd like a few things particularly: - accelerated decoding doesn't activate if no one is dead. It's so frustrating to see accelerated decoding pop up even tho you haven't gotten a single kill. This would also encourage not tunneling someone out. Risk: letting people die so that it DOES activate on the surv side. - borrowed time and detention are too stale. They limit the match flow as they are now. Survivors are incredibly limited in their persona choice. As hunter, if you want to invest in other things you can. As surv, you'll get criticrd for it. - detention is skill based, borrowed time is not. Cipher pop is timing based, yes, but BT heals people up for free, they don't have to do anything for it. Imagine if detention automatically inflicted one damage when cipher pops. Thats what BT feels like to me. My suggestion: once BT runs out, you get the damage back you had before since detention also runs out. Or: Buff the other personas or nerf BT. It should be an actual choice what to take and not... Default BT. Detention and BT are too integral to the match flow rn and I just wish there was more diversity. At the same time i understand why they exist for both sides and I don't really know how to change or discourage either truly without making the game significantly harder for the corresponding faction. - TT can't be countered by hunters. Merc you can just hit again but you can do that for TT. add that or nerf it after cipher pop. Nothing hurts more than endgame rescue with TT. - i want built in anti-cipher hunter stuff or AT LEAST persona stuff against ciphers. Untouched ciphers lose progress, built in abnormal, anything like that. Panic should stack if it doesn't already to encourage healing and limit cipher rush if they don't. - i want a hunter to counter the cipher pop strategy. Most non-main attack hunters kind of do (like naiads water downing someone, then pop, then normal attack potentially) but there's no punishment for what is essentially letting yourself get hit, and it just feels so repetitive and stale. Percy counters it because it still counts as a down but ..... It's Percy.

I think they need to fix the ranking system+how they hand out points, losing a match doesn’t mean I played terribly :/

Some of my very first matches are very fun, survivors are new, hunter is also new, we don't know exactly what to do, where to go next, how to kite and when to prime cause everything is just new to you, you played by your real feelings, survivors were just trying to survive from hunter and hunter were just trying to stop survivors from escaping that's it, not for anything else. (My English is not very so sorry if i made mistakes)

I used to main Geisha and although I still love her, she still struggles. I personally think all the buff did was add more mobility and freedom. She still struggles greatly with a short hotbox, long animations, and an overall predicable kit

Great vid, Phoenix! I'd like to add, that there are too many characters nowadays, so it's quite problematic to ban only 1 character in legendary, since the same role can be played by more than 1 survivor (same goes for the hunters. I've seen a lot of people banning sculptor, but for that reason hunters usually switch to Bon Bon or BQ or whoever who's META now). In my opinion, Devs should allow the hunter to ban 1 character from each class: 1 decoder, 1 rescuer, 1 kiter and 1 supporter -- that would make a great impact on the survivor teams, forcing them to form new types of team combos, not just merc, ROACH and mechanic + this will certainly shift the most commonly used builds; survivors, on the other hand, should be able to ban more than 1 hunter (perhaps, 4 -- each survivor decides, which hunter to ban -- but there nay be other variants). Also, survivor side should not be able to create teams wich include the same character (2 or more mercs, seers or roaches) or the same class (each team must contain 1 decoder, 1 rescuer, 1 kiter and 1 supporter -- teams consisting only of decoders for easier cipher rush must be made unavailable) to make people switch characters. Survivors should also be able to see what hunter they are going against -- this would make them prepare more fastidiously and make the game actually TACTICS-BASED, not cipher rush-based. Few, I've written a lot, haven't I? I completely support all suggestions fearured in the video and am really looking forward to seeing the next part. Keep up the great work!

In my opinion, to balance this game they should make abnormal not a trait anymore and make the hunter can break the cipher just like break pallet, just like dead by daylight. That will be a lot more balanced i think in this "cipher rush" meta. Sorry for my bad english.

"The survivors are being coodled and hunters are being told to adapt." I've noticed this at an early point of me playing Identity V. Since I was low mammoth I think and it bothered me a little. I love winning as survivor but there's times where when I'm playing against a hunter and I see how fast we finish 3 ciphers BARELY under a minute and go "...Wait." Now that I'm dual faction I completely understand what hunter mains are talking about. This game is seriously unbalanced.

My friend have quit this game because of hunter nerfs and bad ping , i also just quit my game last week because i can't take it anymore , too much tie and so much stress when you play hunter

Interesting collab! Can’t wait to see more in the future!

i never win on manticore, so i leave this game. maybe hunter are leaving this game, idk. they doesnt need to buff hunter or something, they just need to nerf all survivor , or nerf the decoding speed and remove accelerated decoding. i have a match before , it end really fast cause there is mech and prisoner, i cant down anyone in China town with priestess and forward.

Honestly I really want doom shock back now, I didn't play back then when it was a thing but I want iit

Interesting talk! Looking forward to more content like this!

Oh my God the voice chat is going to be chaotic I can already imagine how that will go, let aside the fact that it's substantially a survivors' buff (in qm and rank at least)

9:12 That poor batter tho 😢. Honestly I really like these type of content. Hope to see more of this!!!!

This video earned my subscribe. Quality content while also helping the community gain voice💁🏼‍♀️

I have an idea to rework blink. If you would hit the survivor in 10 seconds after blink, the cooldown would remain the same. BUT if you MISS it would be slightly reduced. So new players would have more chance to blink if they miss and good players would have another chance if unlucky.

I think they should remove the notifacation nerf for dw

Now imagine the horrors the hunter mains have to go through when vc is added to the game, especially if survivors are actually doing their job. Developers might want to consider slightly buffing the hunters or I can foresee a lot of hunters choosing to leave especially the higher up you go.

oooh! I know diane! I was fighting for her S badge spot and overtook it for vio recently!

I used to be an A badge Joseph for last season, and i am never touching seriously hunter rank again. It is really stressful , but because i need the essences i have been playing friendly lately. His hitbox can be a 50/50 to get a surv, sometimes if you are too close you cant get hit them. Devs need to start giving hunters more love by giving buffs , points for the persona tree and maybe even some rewards.Lets try our best to make the devs give also more love to non meta hunters so they can become meta , and more hunters can have that mindset of winning.

Man cipher rush is strong, maybe it would be fair if hunters have an option to kick ciphers causing them to regress( just like killers in dbd who can do that ), its enough to give them a better chance of winning. Afterall the hunter should be stronger than the survivor by all means, my thoughts and opinions

I see dianeraindrop twitch all the time! So nice to see her in one of your videos! Honestly idv is really hard for hunters I play non meta hunters and it's not easy to get wins and cipher rush doesn't make it any easier. I really appreciate the hunter mains

I just would nerf decoding speed,because it's really just too fast That's it, camping it's good otherwise you should rework some hunters that have a camp ability I play on both sides and it's just unfun You kite 60 secs? 3 cyphers done And in that situation accelerate decoding seems a middle finger to the hunter Like: "oh you didn't catch any Survs in less than 30 secs?, What a pity...."

When you want Diane and Phoenix to be the actual developers of the game and fix this unbalanced survivor sided game

Im trying to learn Mary and it's only been Pain

This game is full of toxic players and hunters & survivors that won’t shut up like I’ve seen even more unbalanced games, but this game specifically complains too much like survivors are literally always complaining about little stuff, honestly sometimes listening to them can make u lose brain cells.-- just because u don’t play well,doesn’t mean u should blame the other fraction?! As for hunters I feel like they’re always talking about the “roach” and I find it funny how hunters are so defensive like they would be talking about how survivors needs a nerf and then someone objects and the next second the hunter would be sh’t talking on them like , “you don’t even play hunter” ,”you’re PROBABLY a bee”, or “you are brain dead” “touch some grass” etc… like wow istg hunters in this game are acting as if they’re superior.

I hope things change soon. At least there’s a push to get better as a hunter but I mean it’s really annoying when survivors have the advantage and then they start emoting at palettes lmao. I get so frustrated it ends up just not being worth it, I’m having less fun and more rage

It’s very fun to play old soul weaver because when you put down the web and you hit the survivors they still have the web effect after you hit them so it was fun just watching the survivors trying to run when you are just recovering after hitting them

17:29 that's a DBD idea lol and i say yes to that 👀

"Smiley used to wield a chainsaw." Reminds me of a certain billy. Good times.

Stopping window back and forth would be so nice i friggin hate it with my life.

To this day even in rank as long as there in an enclosed space and the cipher isn't out in the open I still get to jumpscare

7:53 my biggest flex is that my first S tier skin was Cowboy's S tier, very proud of my luck

Just started playing this game. Its fun been faced camp back to back but i still try

I started playing 1 month after the start of the game. Main magician and feaster. Used to play feaster 80% of the time and it was hard but I would win. Nowadays it’s flipped and I play feaster waaay less because of how stressful it is.

i think this game is ridiculously expensive, if you want skins that is. sure you can get them with fragments in shop but its very slow to save them. i think it would be fair that you can get 60 of one essence on logic path so that you have a guaranteed skin reward if you play enough. but they basically make you buy echoes. and i think the chances of getting a skin have lowered since before me and most people i know got skins at 20-30 pulls but in recent seasons i had to get to 60 to get anything. its really unfair. but just a proof netease cares about only money. when was the lore last updated or when did it ever make any sense? why dont more characters have playable diaries?:/ its a reason why i switched to genshin mainly. but that aside its not even a horror game anymore since hunters are becoming weak and bullied.

21:13 MAD EYES BUFF WE NEED IT!!!

I honestly don't know why we still have aura reading talents. Like I don't need to find where my are when I can just use the mini map in the brought daylight. It's not just aura reading talents, but also other persona talents like Air Walk or Will to Survive. They're very situational and not that useful unless it's on the characters that already have those talents in the first place like Explorer as he can hide his tracks.

shout out to the mad eyes players out there you guys are champions

12:07 Well, that's explains it on why having a yellow ping is common in the game.

As a Galatea main I agree with the nerf on the chisel throw and maybe the radius of it I think it's a reasonable nerf, but I also want hunters to get more love because I be playing hunter rank like every blue moon because it's super stressful nowadays🥲

My ping is usually 180-190 and I just gave up on keeping my A badge as wheel boy

I feel one of the best ways to help balance the game more is just remove the accelerated decoding. Most of the times as a hunter, chasing a survivor for a little too long will result in 3 ciphers popping without any buffs. plus you have decoders that can pop them even faster. Plus there's also a persona skill that increases their decode if a teammate is lost. So for a hunter to eliminate one survivor, they have made it harder to win. Unless you do amazing with the first chase and downing the rescue, it's very easy to make a mistake and lose or tie a match because of how fast the decoding is going. I'm really hoping whatever new traits Netease plans for the hunters will at least help with the current cipher rush meta. like slow down all ciphers for a limited time or be able to lock out one cipher of your choice for a little while. I know DBD has a lot of perks that deal with gen rush but the entity is also something that's built into the game's lore that can allow you to do that with those perks. IDV doesn't have that so I guess only time will tell.

11:10 what rank are you playing where there's once cipher left by the time accelerated decoding start because at griffin there's almost always 3 ciphers left by the time accelerated decoding starts. and 1 or 2 people have already been chaired and put out of the game.

The things that makes identity v fun when I play is that When I kite for 3-4 ciphers (because I am pretty bad at kiting) but now I can kite most of the time 2-4 ciphers so I am average

I wish I new to email the devs about the skin

I would like netease to hear the community like Nintendo did for Smash Ultimate Weird comparison yeah but in Smash Ultimate is pretty common that high tiers get Nerfed while Low tiers get buffed. Meaning that Nintendo actively looks for what can be improved in the game. If Netease did that it would have a much better balance and Low tier hunters and survs would be buffed and High tiers nerfed accordingly to the complaints of the community.

Im sad abt my first S skin and proud at the same time cuz it doesnt unlock a character but is a limited its Akechi Goro :v

I kind understand why devs. don't make decoders survivor due to the fact that makes cipher rush quicker. Things I suggest to change is the persona web both survivor and the hunter because there are some that is over use and some never use that give impact to the game current situation. In ciphers there's many possibilities they can do this instead of accelerated decoding they should accelerated base on how many survivor are decoding and extend the time they decode like 5 or 10 seconds more to make it difficult. The survivor and hunter rely on their own capabilities in the game. Lockers is not much used. Hiding to hunters is not an option to survivors its also a waste of time.

as someone who mains survivor, i feel bad for hunters 😭 the cipher rush is insane and many survivors have overpowered abilities. i win almost every survivor rank match

19:20 Thanos snap xD

I used to want to play as hunter but now I'm like... :(((( I seldom get a tie and mostly lose huhu

Also i can never play hunter in duo and the games good and fun for beginners but gets boring once you do all the stuff you wanna do and survivors need a nerf

What was everyone's first S tier? Mine was Ren Amamiya

i stopped ranking joseph season 16 it’s so awful with cipher rush, yes he can counter out but when you’re fixated on a survivor to knock you forget and before you notice it’s already too late and 2 ciphers are left 😭

I wouldn't say that IDV is unbalanced a 100%, but there are some survs that have unnecessary buffs like Dancers twirl thingy majigy, and pre-nerf ento was a headache. I wouldn't say much abt priestess tho tbh, maybe elongate her 3 portals cooldown? The other 'metas' are pretty counterable if the hunter has a solid strat from the start

In seson 1 evrybody played hunter

I'm searched this video. Thx

...I feel like they've not played Priestess. "She'll have another long one in 30 seconds. Just spits them out." Priestess has like a 2 minute cooldown on it.

Vote BBPhoenix and Diane to become CoA V Casters

JEEZ 50 ping, i never had something below 290

I have started in June 2018, it has bee more turn 1079 days and I gotta say, the game isn't as good as it used to be and that its veery sad

Pog diane

Personally survivor rank has been so stressful for me so I play hunter more often

Listening to this makes me want to stay in low tier, but i also want a c badge for acrobat :< Theres so many things wrong with this game, i dont know anymore. Ping issues has been getting worse for me and aaa im tired of complaining. Im only staying bc of friends, i joined back in feb and im bored + mad already;; i salute old players

Premium quality video

Playing rank match as a hunter demands you perfection (even with S or A+ hunters). This is why I don't play rank match as hunter anymore. I encourage hunters to no longer play rank match until they fix the problems, because really it is so frustrating.

They only do the changes in the China server where the hunters are god like well here servivers are god like so thats why thay buff servivers and nerf hunters alot

And the fact that the only way to have it a little easier in this game as a hunter is to play meta hunters (which r few in number ,literally there r 3 or 4 in S tier and even them got nerfed hell most hunters got nerfed) while survivors r getting buffed and higher in tiers really says a lot :D and even if u ban a survivor, there's an alternative for the banned one lmao Wish they would add something like dbd (it was like abnormal trait in this game) to slow down the decoding cuz by the time the first survivor is eliminated,literally 1 or 2 ciphers are left and they have accelerated decoding....if survivors have accelerated decoding why hunters don't have something to slow down the decoding they're not obligated to always carry abnormal they need other traits like blink for example or peepers and it's only useful when u use it for the first time....the more u use it the less effective abnormal becomes....

Everyone else’s arguments: Nerf cipher rush, bring back doom shock, etc.. Me, a Kurt Frank main: Give Explorer an S tier skin.

i just really don’t like accelerated decoding, and cipher rush. groundbreaking stuff i know /s, but seriously what is there to lose if it’s gone? decoders can be strong enough as is, and survivors being forced to promote cipher rush promotes having a static meta for both survivors and hunters. and speaking of hunters, there’s no wiggle room for who to chase and what mistakes you can make because if you don’t get anyone within the first 60 seconds you’ve pretty much lost. sure it was probably a good decision when it was released, but there’s no reason for this to exist in modern idv.

Identity v before : WAAA HUNTER IS HERE its sk fuuuuun Identity v now : *beauty pageant* and thr game is bit a toxic :/

In my opinion its neither of them. This depends on how you play your main characters. Just bought embalmer and training to main him. Everyone can be pro as long as you are strategical and good at predicting. Also kiting is all about mind game.I kited violinist 5 ciphers with enchantress because i kept running into objects.

"In chine they dont really cipher rush" whaaaa? I'm always comparing chinese gameplay and gameplay in our server, and at chinese server players cipher rush even more faster than here 🤔 Putting that aside, great video and ideas about how improve the game

Hey Phoenix! Can you wish me a happy birthday? It’s my birthday today on august 2nd. It would make my birthday a lot better :D

The problem with the game from my experience, is that they cater to simps... Characters that get simped will get a lot of attention from the developers and a lot of cosmetics in general. And I know why that is.. It's because many people simp for these characters, and those simps will buy whatever there is for the characters they are simping. But the main problem is, simped characters get frequent character updates and balance changes, whereas the characters that actually NEED balance changes are never touched, because nobody likes them. For example, Madeyes... Personally, I do not like him, because his design and idea are not interesting to me, but I still don't agree that he is to be left neglected like that.. In other games, when developers notice that a character is not being played often, they will look for why that is, and try to fix it, so that the character is on par with other characters, and so that the game keeps It's diversity. But IdentityV's developers? They only cater to simps and only care about the simped characters, sadly.

They just need to nerf the decoding speed on cipher and everything is solved

I wish the old seasons meta came back 😂 Ripper and spider being op as they were, the thing is that it was cool to play against them, unlike the current meta ( sculptor and dw ) that are just boring as hell to play against, not fun to kite, plain boring. For me they should remake the meta, nerf Dw, Priests, Mech, Merc, Seer, sculptor, buff old/weak charathers like Lizard, Ripper, Geisha, Undead, minds, postman, etc.

im in low rank and its fun since no one cares about winning or losing lol

The game has a clear survivor bias which leads to many hunters leaving the game, this results in the remaining hunters being highly skill veterans and thr remaining survivor mains being crutched players, my idea is making a season dedicated to hunters and nerfing the meta survivors and making the game more horror

i don't understand how being hunter is so hard?? First rounds of hunter I've played I won completely both times. Now I either win with a tie or a complete win. I really don't think survivors need to be nerfed I just think hunters need to be a little buffed just a little.