Has The Covid Disc Golf Bubble Burst? | Debate Night 

Thank goodness Google put the Covid disclaimer on this video. 🤦‍♂

the attendance on the pro tour is down because they increased the price of attending with like 500%.

Commenting every week until Uli is on the show

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of “fling golf”

People go to our course because of fun, Udisc, and You Tube, never because of pdga. Recreational players will never pay a dime for their services.

Brodie doesn’t understand the difference between a rebuttal and interrupting 😂

It might be unpopular, but I’d say Brodie is the debate night goat. Hes a good debater and brings lots of entertainment to the show

I agree with Brodie on most takes, but he makes it seem like a player can never get worse over the years. Regardless of age. It’s a fact that some players hit a peak early in their careers.

One MAJOR thing the PDGA does that people often forget, they take care of insurance for sanctioned events. A lot of courses and parks require a certificate of insurance to allow events and tournaments. Someone gets hurt at an unsanctioned event? The TD gets sued. Someone gets hurt at a sanctioned event? That's on the PDGA.

For me who lives in Sweden and work a lot of weekends live golf sucks! So I allways go for Jomez.. And I love the chasecard check in! So more of that please..

Catrina and Paige were definitely better, more consistent players 5 to 8 years ago than they are now. By contrast, Kristin is a much better player now than she was 5 years ago.

That's one thing that got me out of playing tournaments was the price increase it was like 25 to $35 for MA3 now you're looking at like 40 to 50. I'm sorry I don't want a player's pack I don't need any other disc I don't want a goodie bag for playing a tournament. Let's lower the price get more people involved.

There should be a 45 second rebuttal for each person at the last question of debate Night

One FPO player that gets overlooked and changed the level of FPO play is Valerie Jenkins , if you look at her career she could be in the GOAT conversation as well .

Dustin’s the debate night GOAT.

Greatest memories are of cruising blockbuster isles, smelling popcorn, picking movies to watch.

Netflix killed blockbuster

The point about companies/pros not using their stars to brand beginner sets is something I've been baffled by since I bought my Innova starter pack back when McBeth was dominating and it wasn't branded in any way. So its good to hear that maybe Disccraft has finally figured this out. How much extra money would Innova have made during the Bubble if their beginner sets were branded with Big Jerm and Sexton? It seems unlikely that the answer is "nothing," and there is no downside, yet they don't do it. The reluctance from companies/players to put their Stars names on, slow discs, understable discs, and even putting putters, is similarly confusing. I'm nowhere even close to a disc expert but it feels like a lot players, almost every MPO player but even a lot of FPO players, especially the top players, have signature discs are either drivers or overstable approach discs that are good discs for them and the small percentage of people who have pro caliber arms, but they aren't discs that the average player will ever bag because it is a useful disc for them. They rely almost entirely on a persons fandom or delusion to make sales. Why not put your name on a disc that is going to be a useable disc for the largest potential market? I'll just use Ohn Scoggins as an example. How does she not have a signature putter? Its actually stupid. She's been the best putter in FPO for a couple years now at minimum, but her disc is a Halo Champion Destroyer. I get it. Ohn throws destroyers all the time. But this makes zero sense to me from the perspective of Innova. Calvin is going to absorb a huge portion of the Tour Series signature Destroyer sales that are happening and we have at least 2 other players in addition to Ohn with destroyers, and a couple with wraiths and a tern and a boss and the T-birds and Thunderbirds. All of these discs filling the same uselessly overstable slot for a lot of players out there. You have the best putter in the world on your roster, give her a signature putter. This isn't rocket science.

The people that are watching disc golf are the same people that play disc golf. In my opinion, most people watch only the highlights or the content after they get home from playing a round or two during the weekend. I have heard pros say similar things; they are too busy to watch due to time constraints, traveling, playing, and living. We can listen to podcasts at work and while we are playing. We can watch highlights later, but live streams are different for this sport compared to others. Some other ideas would be to "highlight engagement post-play," "expand audiences beyond players," "adapt content for different platforms," "create content for downtime," and, all in all, "foster a balanced viewing experience for content consumers".

Lucas be lookin like Steve the Crocodile hunter

Fling Golf?! Never heard of it, but believe it. Foot Golf (soccer ball) is and has been around a bit and gets played by a few people.

i live in norway, and i heard of disc golf for the first time 1 month ago

The fact that they say paige is better then kristan is bizarre and when trevor said age doesnt matter actually made me pissed off lol like L take. Kristan is younger and it does matter lol. Kristan is just better. The courses got harder paige has stayed the same or maybe got slightly better but the fpo field as a whole is better. Kristan is playing harder courses and better players then paige was when she was winning. Its common sense

Like Local Government, Disc Golf likes yes people. Either conform to the pre-defined cult or get spit out.

Blockbuster tried to adapt, for the record. That statement about the video store closing because they didn't change with the times was just silly. Video stores are ALL basically dead.

Company winners for me are now Innova, Discraft WITH all their really good players that someone is on coverage and relatable and then MVP for spending the money on the right players to make them relevant and respectable.

Hands down,… my favorite contestant on Debate Night is Brodie Smith. DEFINITELY the most entertaining. And I’ll say it again…. No Brodie rebuttals = no Debate Night.

I’m not seeing the link to submit topics for debate night

Had i known the DGPT was going to change their pricing and offers i wouldn't of ever gotten a PDGA membership this year. I can still play all the tournaments, you just pay an extra $10 fee but now entry fees are more expensive and the PDGA has no control over that and most of that money doesn't even go to the course, just mpo payout and TD, so what good is the PDGA for most local tournaments now other than having a website for tournaments near you. That needs to change fast I think because charging $75 or more to play 2 rounds in 1 day from ma2 and up is ridiculous especially if you arent getting any of that money in return for a top 3 finish unless its some ma1 and mpo.

Ricky Wysocki is on the branding for DD starter sets in Walmart.

I would really like to see scores reset when entering the finals. It’s always the winner is the person leading going into it. Both people need to have an equal chance to become the winner in end!

It only makes sense to get a membership if you’re 970+ and looking to compete in A tiers. If you just want to play the occasional local tourney and do weekly league/minis, I honestly can’t see a reason why you would pay the $50.

you could do an entire segment talking about kona and kristin signing the SAME AMOUNT, and then what they've gone on to do since signing for the same amount, but playing two different levels. the kona contract seems so fishy it's like money laundering, kona and kristin got the same contract, needs to be addressed

Innova continues to make solid discs. I usually only have one in my bag at a time, but it's always there.

I’m the GOAT of debate night. My opinions win every time.

I wouldn’t not have cared about disc golf until I started playing

Gary is the clear goat of debate night. I want those blue eyes on every episode!

I will beat Brodie before Trevor breaks 57

Tournaments to slow so i dont renew membership if I'm not gonna play tourneys

Brodie, we've been down this road before. Rebuttals are good, just do it after the other player's time lol

More like the economy has burst the bubble of having money in my pocket.....

My start was the brodie starter pack when he first joined Discraft. had a heat, buzz and magnet. i still have the buzz. Easily my favorite disc. the podcast about the goat brodie was talking about where the person said they play better now. it was tour life and uli said it

I bet Gary only picked Paige because he helped her get her van unstuck a few years ago. 😂

Brodie’s cam has gotten a GPU upgrade?

Handicaps are super important for golf and all tournaments and club games use a GHIN

This year the tournaments have not been full or near to what it was last year. Not sure if this is just my area but I see the numbers dropping. Either people are going back to work or not interested in competing as much.

Had never heard of fling golf, but had heard of balf; hit the golf ball with a baseball bat.

NFL, College, High School, 8 - man, Arena, XFL… point is football is able to operate without one singular association setting the “rules”. DGPT doesn’t need the PDGA, not a hard concept.

On the DGN thing, there is a perk that every tour card holder has that I bet they don't use. Each one gas 3 dgn subscriptions they can give away as tour card holders. @brody are you aware of this?

Nobody wants more pdga benefits, they would pay 5-10/yr tho

Hard to explain but the combination of DGN lack of quality, PDGA Live score and Jomez take over kind of made me more lazy to watch disc golf. DGN plays the biggest role there, got hyped up for the new player and quality improvements, but if anything, it got worse. Ended up dropping my subscription since I could almost never see the discs anyway due to pixelation... I'm not sure why they are going for 1080 60fps when they don't have the bitrate to do so.

Brodie is a MAN OF THE PEOPLE. ☕💚

Ohn was born in 1981 - 43 years old this year

This show is better when Brodie is fired up and cuts in, the lag wasn't even awful for this one and he could have pounced!

Great analogy with paige. She really is like the rousey of disc golf. She had someone come in and smack her around, that was it. She didnt retire like rousey, but she now acts like winning doesn't matter. We all know that was only the case after she was losing to kristin

What the heck is fling golf?

They were the same golfers. The women's division is getting better.

Why should a governing body of a sport run a tour? If DGPT and PDGA were to split, why would PDGA need its own tour? Don't try to run governing body like a business, run it like.. a governing body.

Mostly agree on Innova, but... let AB walk, to their biggest competitor. That's a BIG L. The youngest superstar on tour, and they could have kept him for probably quite cheap.

It's a good thing Paige heard my words and felt inspired to win Portland. You're welcome to the disc golf community. 😂

Big boi card … good grief.

You guys are arguing over the word "prime." Conventionally, when using the word "prime" as in "someone's prime," you immediately think about the years someones body is at biological peak. That's what Brodie is saying. Trevor you are making the point that an individual could be having a successful period in their career, but that's not what "someone's prime" is typically referring to.

Someone keeps breathing into the mic. Hard to focus

Live disc golf is not close to as enjoyable as post production. Maybe because they still have a lot to learn but I don't like watching it.

Did innvoa lose out on market more share by letting Paul go to discraft by not paying him?

Love the Jomez coverage. The chase card check-ins are great. They are still the best commentators in the business. MPO and FPO (HONK!) The live coverage commentators are boring and too concerned about sounding like PGA Golf commentators.

Paige got paid. That's when her game declined. She didn't HAVE to win to live. Her priorities shifted.

PDGA needs to stop letting men play with women. Until then they will continue to see less and less people keeping membership. I will never be a member again until the ban men from women's divisions.

Page cat and Paul are worse today than 5 years ago.

If we're saying Calvin is the current goat, Paul was whoopin his ass by 10-20 strokes every tourney for years. Paige is a close one but I still give her the edge by a hair but probably not for much longer.

Brody, you are the reap dawg brother. I really appreciate your ability to take criticism and your willingness to be proven wrong. Most can't handle that heat

I got a fever! Hopefully it's not Covid... and the only prescription... is more rebuttals!

I really don't like the G.O.A.T. debate. "G.O.A.T." stands for Greatest Of ALL Time. Which means that includes the past, present, and FUTURE! There is no way you can call someone the G.O.A.T. when there are players still emerging that are better than the so called "G.O.A.T." If disc golf as a sport was to collapse and no one could play anymore, then I could understand the "G.O.A.T." debate.

Companies need to sponsor water hazards on local courses. I learnt during C19, and I put half my discs in water....everywhere. I bought discs like crazy during C19...partly due to supply issues....when I needed one disc, I bought 5 because I never knew when I would be able to get more. I have improved since then and am still working through my C19 haul of disks. If disc golf companies want to sell more discs, put water hazards everywhere...send a fleet of backhoes everywhere! :)

When talking about the PDGA and growing the sport it should be mentioned that I can go to my local event and play FPO. Rules like this are steering people clear of the PDGA and disc golf in general.

Kristin>paige easily for me

I’ve noticed that recently the disc reseller market has fallen way off. Premium plastic used discs that just a few months ago (and for a few years) were selling quickly on the marketplace for around $15 shipped are now lucky to get $10-$12 shipped. And folks are dumping a lot of new discs for that same $15 or even less. It’s as if folks invested in new disc “inventory” with the expectation of prices perpetually rising, and now they can’t even sell them for what I pay at the local shop. Is that the sign of the bubble bursting? Can’t say.

I'm a huge disc golf fan and buy tons of gear and merchandise to support my favorite FPO and MPO players. Having said that, I have never considered paying for a subscription to watch it live, etc. Just don't see the value. And I've mentioned before, I live in the Dallas area and the only opportunity to attend an event is Waco. (80 miles away) Here locally I have attended the Byron Nelson and the Colonial several times over the years (ball golf) Yes, it can be pricey..... but it's relatively easy to get your tickets and attend. (and I like disc golf tons better than ball golf)

Innova feels like converse back in the day, before MJ went to Nike. Converse had Magic Johnson and a lot of top stars but they didn’t adapt and stayed nostalgic. Will see if innova stays down this path.

Thank God Brody said he wasn't going to talk over any one....BIG improvement

To add to Brodies point on education, I would like to see "disc fittings" at more stores, what I see in my mind is tech disc booths were throws are made then discs are picked out based off arm speed, release angles, rpms, etc.

Definitely don't think discs costing 30-60 bucks is hurting the sport. You can definitely buy cheap discs and get going. Having signature discs is part of what makes individual players branding awesome, or a limited run of halo discs or something. That end of it is for the hardcore players who want to spend

Covid bubble has burst, and DGPT/PDGA has overvalued their worth, blown a major decision about a dude playing in the FPO, and the sport is regressing now. I can't say I'm mad. There were too many chuckleheads showing up at the course.

great golf course is $100 a round minimum. Great disc golf course $10-15? Any backpack will work as a bag. Cheap discs everywhere. Whats the entry price for ball golf, or hockey?

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

BRODIE!!!! Dude!! No rebuttal = No Debate Night!! What are we talking about here!!??

Thanks for introducing me to FlingGolf. Any Foot golfers out there?

Live disc golf sucks

Don't want to speak for Paige, but ever since she met her partner and got married, her game dropped off. Maybe she just has different priorities at this stage of her life. I don't see the same intensity in her game, and maybe if Kristen Tattar was playing back in Paige's prime, this wouldn't be a debate at all.

if ricky makes 1 mil a year, simon 1 mil a year, you think calvin is getting paid right by innova? Or you think calvin is too soft to say anything and he's getting taken advantage of? If rick simon and paul have gotten 1 mil a year, and kona panis got 125k a year along with tattar, then calvin should be getting atleast 400k a year if ricky gets 1 mil. if you thtink aboutt it calvin should get 650k a year if ricky gets 1 mil. BUT i feel this is not happening, and calvin may be getting something as small as 180-250k. he has to get smart and get that ricky kind of money

Lebron can never be the GOAT. GOATs don't flop around on the ground pretending to have been fouled. Grown men DON'T do that.

Brodie, Paige Pierce and Paul McBeth are both CLEARLY worse at disc golf than they used to be. With that being said, Tattar is still clearly better now than Paige ever was. Tattar is the BEST there has ever been, but GREATNESS needs sustainability, so Paige is still the greatest. Also, Trevor nailed it on the head. Your prime does not have to be tied to your age.

the success of a sport is circular. a sport gains an audience, the sport acquires sponsors to sustain, then continues to grow an audience, which then grows the sponsorship money, which elevates the product, which elevates the viewership, which elevates the sponsor money, and it goes round and around as it grows. a sport grows as it's viewing product grows. look at any sport, when more people start watching, more money floods in, and the sport grows. THERE'S A FEW ISSUES GOING ON. One of the main issues is Ian Anderson. Ian Anderson is a commentator who cannot commentate. He makes constant mistakes on the coverage, about one every 2 minutes you'll hear Ian say "oop correction" or "oop excuse me". I'm a MASSIVE disc golf fan, but watching Ian Anderson pushed me off DGN. If DGN does not grow, sport growth will be very very slow. Ian also has a very lame voice, and a very lame look, it's horrendous to have him on main live feed coverage. Another terrible factor of DGN is their cuts. DGN will have an amazing angle from green to tee, where they are zoomed in all the way on the pad, looking up from the green for an amazing view, then they cut to behind the player, then cut back again to the green shot. cutting mid flight needs to happen way way way less. The production, the cutting mid flight, the camera work is very amateur and needs a lot of work. PDGA needs to understand, disc golf will rescind to what it was pre covid if the viewership fizzles out and does not grow. When viewership goes down, awareness goes down, momentum goes down, sport loses sponsorship money, pros lose interest, everything declines if viewership does not grow. Ian Anderson must be fired from commentary, production needs to get way better no more mid flight cuts.

Page is still the goat. Page dominated for 10 years. Page is not the same player anymore. Once she missed out on her chance to hit 1000 rated she stopped caring.

plain and simple, is Ian Anderson the best possible face and voice of disc golf? absolutely not, he wouldn't be in my top 30 picks of commentary, so why is he commentating? Can they not find literally anyone so they have to go with Ian? by definition he's horrible at his job. you hear ian make a commentary mistake and says "excuse me" or "correction" every 1-3 minutes. He has a weak weak voice, he's a guy who should be behind a camera, certainly never in front, and never speaking. Ian Anderson's commentary is one of the all time reasons this sport's product will not grow, who the hell wants to watch and listen to Ian Anderson? I mean seriously. we need brian and big jerm, philo here and there, doss and sexton are fine, ian anderson must be moved to a new role, he will singlehandedly keep this sport in the shadows

Gotta remember Kristen was getting whooped by Paige 2017-2021, she’s only been better than Paige for the past 2-3 years

Dgpt burst the bubble with their idiotic paywall

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