Have Stargates Become Pointless? 

Chevrons are pointy. Checkmate.

Ok... DAD!

Hexagon bestagon.

Ha!

Circles also have infinite points (vertices) depending on whose maths you're using.

Huh, carrying Stargate around and placing them on useful planets like seeds… sounds familiar… 😂

near instant colonization also

well, in stargate atlantis, you could step through a gate and... land in orbit. without even a dialing device.

@@robertheinrich2994 in atlantis they explained this as part of the wraiths actions to prevent culling worlds from communicating outside and allowing easy access for ship based use for the gates. This allowed the wraith to isolate and prevent rebellion when they began hibernating due to the lack of sustenance for how large the wraith population had grown

@@unadultratedtrini okay, makes sense that the wraiths would do that.

However this was using a less advanced reactor. With a more advanced Asgard reactor it would be a lot faster. The ZPM wasn't magic, the hyperdrive could do it, they just weren't ready to manage a more powerful reactor design.

@@RikkiCattermole And to be honest...it is only a matter of time, until Earth can make it's own ZPM.

@@FlaschenJoe11 my bet would be within ten years they would have a science station next to a black hole. From there it is infinite power just gotta make the zpm at that point. They moved really fast and apparently had a pretty good understanding of ancient technology by the time SGA ended.

@@RikkiCattermole Helped they could get first hand records at times, with teh complete Atlantis Archives and the records of what O'Neil did both times he played "Lantean USB"

The replicators made a mothership unimaginably fast - and it was just "dump more power into it". Jack monkeyed with the controls on a cargo ship to make it way faster than anything else - again, without using 10x the power.

on your last point, heavy equipment size. right now they are built like that due to the way they are used. if gate travel was a reality and became popular to use then equipment would be designed for it. like the puddle jumper. ships today have a "Panama Standard" size, basicly is it small enough to fit through the locks in the panama cannal. well SG size standard would follow suit

There's a book series Pandora's Star which centers around a vast Commonwealth of planets linked by trains which travel through gates like that. (Yes, literal track and rail standard gauge trains.)

I’d do mag-lev rather than track and rail, in case there is some shimmy from crossing, the mag-lev is self stabilizing. But there is a question about the speed (and size) of the train. How much of an object has to be committed, before the whole is yanked through?

@@nela9994 gates don't yank anything through, they've used items (and people) extensively to prevent it from just shutting off up to it's maximum they stay open up to 38 minutes as long as something is being fed through at 38 minutes it'll either shut down or require immense amounts of energy consumption the way it works however is that it absorbs everything and then transmits it in one piece, so a train couldn't take more than 18 minutes (technically 19, but you don't want to cut it that close) to get entirely trough or the thing would simply be destroyed along with everything/everyone on board

Only problem with trains as an example, the gate only materialises the train once the whole thing has gone through. But yes, you could use a set of detached trucks etc.

I would suggest a ship allows you to explore without hazarding your world. That whole blackhole thing.

@@icecold9511 Fair point. However in all fairness...Safety is always best when layered. There is a certain chance of opening a gate to a black hole or something similarly destructive and there is a chance of travelling in a ship to a hostile planet and not coming back. Or even accidental issues causing problems(Prometheus ejecting the hyperdrive core and the planet thought they were attacking so they launched missiles at the ship) Then there is the likelihood or % rate of either of these happening and how we handle them. We know how to deal with the black hole issue for now so while it has larger possible implications...it can be solved without loss of people. So awareness of these types of situations is required and we roll the dice every time. it may happen in either case...awareness, prevention and readiness to counter the threat if it does happen is key. A long range scanning sensor array(such as the ones on the Daedalus class and used in Atlantis) deployed on safe planets could be used to collect data in the surrounding space and planetary systems so we know which areas are safe to gate or fly to. So we are explorers...how fast we want or need to explore is balanced out by how safe we want to explore :) Peace fellow SG fan.

@@heathb4319 Yes, but that is risk to one ship and crew, not everything.

@@icecold9511 ...Agreed losing a ship is bad...losing a planet is way very bad-er. However in this setting...we can stop the black hole with a shape charge(A Matter of Time episode) And now that we know how to, while it is a potential great danger, it can be solved rather simply with no loss of life. A black hole is a black hole...it will not change it's mind or act different....we can beat it easy enough. On the other hand...we can find a planet full hostiles and they lie, trick and deceive us until we lose our planet anyhow...Such as the Ashen.(or politicians) it's all dangerous...how we handle it is up to us. So which is actual more dangerous threat. According to show lore and logic.

Stargates are also a better general transportation tool, allowing economies of planets to interact more easily. You can start shopping on one planet, visit a mall on another planet, and still be home for dinner.

Then the number of stargates on the planet needs to be proportionally increased to the size of your star nation. Remember your stargate can only connect to one other stargate at the same time. For an empire controlling millions of stars, you’d need thousands of stargates on EVERY planet to maintain an effective communication network. Yet most planets have only one stargate. That’s stupidly inefficient. Were Ancients stupid or was it an oversight by the show creators?

@@apollodiomedes203 lol, inefficient compared to what? Not communicating at all with another planet vs. Instant contact with another planet. Now, we might as well not bother and just send subspace messages and hope they get it and get back to us.

@@apollodiomedes203 The ancients may well (in fact I'd say almost certainly did) have had other ways to maintain communication between all of the planets in their massive sphere of influence, but that doesn't mean that stargates wouldn't remain incredibly useful for communication for lesser races who haven't figured all the same tricks out yet, even if they're not perfect for the application. That having been said, for the Tau'ri, by the end of the original SG-1 series, IIRC, we had already obtained subspace communication technology (from the Asgaard) which allowed near-instantaneous communication from anywhere to anywhere anyway, even between different galaxies, so the stargates are really pretty unnecessary for communication for us as well, at that point.

​@@foogod4237They did have another way with the communication stones. They allow people to switch bodies instantaneously no matter how far apart they are. Destiny was able to remain in constant communication with Earth because of these stones

@@apollodiomedes203 Are we just ignoring the fact that it's mentioned several times in the show that a only one stargate connection per planet can be maintained at a time? Several attackers even used this as a means to deny their enemies a chance to send their leaders through the stargate to escape. If you have multiple stargates per planet you can still only use one at a time, thus it's pointless to have more than one. It's honestly weird enough that Earth had two in the first place, and that was just because the goa'uld who brought the second one didn't know about the one the Ancients left behind.

Maybe gate tech can be reverse engineered and combined with ring tech to create long distance travel? It is probably easier to create small wormholes than big ones. Ring tech is very underrated.

@@the11382 The Ori already do it with a ring that transports them to their capital city of Celestis.

@@the11382 Yes this can be done and has been done in the series. Also done by Merlin to avoid the Ori super weapon from being captured

The Ori also solved the issue of too small a Stargate by simply building a new much larger Stargate as numerous arcs transported and self-assembled such that they could move full size Ori warships through a gate located in space for their attack on our galaxy. That means we, too, could likely build much larger custom gates if we really wanted to as we should have the knowledge between what is known from the Ancients, Ori, and the Asgard races (especially given our possession of the complete Asgard library of knowledge after it was gifted to us before their demise).

@@ethanpoole3443 the ancients most advanced form of hyper drive that came too late for them to win the war. was their wormhole drive that functions like a stargate, but doesn't need a fixed gate on any location. If you build that on to all your ships you won't need stargates anymore. and Rodney was able to finish building it at the end of Atlantis series to beat the wraith back to earth. so if the series had continued they would likely find ways to integrate that into their other tech.

imo... you'd still want fast ships for defensive purposes. The limited exploration can be done through political means.

Yeah but didn't they wipe out the Goa'uld in one of the time lines they managed to make contact with Earth and the other time they were after more Stargate addresses, I don't think they were expanding slowly by choice rather due to a lack of options.

Probably more likely they avoided a conflict with the Asgard and other possibile races The Asgard are often in the milky way because of their protected planets We did see one advanced race who was hostile but was trapped with I think it was the first earth ship in the one nebula or what it was The gouald were wiped out by the ashen

The scheduling really becomes a much bigger issue than the capacity at that point, yeah. Although… probably best to use maglev trains. I know I wouldn't want to be responsible for rail alignment at different gates. …And how would train interact with the gates' buffer-and-send architecture, anyway? Would they have to buffer the whole train before transmitting any of it? Would this run into capacity limitations?

​@@DaraelDraconis you're right, people had to go all the way through. Someone could stick their hand in and hold up the gate but their arm didn't actually go through. But I think I recall a puddle jumper getting stuck once partway and rematerializing partially but it's been a long time...

@@AkronBaja Yep. And the explanation was that the gates used a subspace buffer to collect an entire object before sending it, since transmission of matter is one-way and the Ancients didn't want someone who flinched to chop bits off themselves! Anyway my point is that this raises questions about a coupled train and just how much the buffer can hold. Then again, maybe somewhere hidden in the control channels is an immediate-send mode for just such a purpose.

@@DaraelDraconis No, I remember that much but there was an instance with a puddle jumper that malfunctioned going through the gate and got stuck because it's little engines didn't retract all the way and scraped its forward momentum to a halt. Most of it materialized on the other end of the gate, but not all of it and it's butt was stuck so if the gate shut off the crew would die in space. I want to say the loading ramp was still on the other side, but maybe it was still in the buffer?

@@AkronBaja I may be mixing it up with another episode but I think one side was in the buffer and they had to work out how to get the gate to expel the contents before they got overwritten by a different wormhole connection?

Not sure if that’s possible with beaming tech, but would be interested to see if it does work that way.

@@sg-24 The gate passes energy just fine. Beaming tech is just converting matter to energy and back.

@@sg-24 Merlin proved it is possible in The Quest twoparter.

@@the11382 that was build by Ganos Lal, not Merlin.

Excellent idea! Providing the beam can be narrowed down to fit. But it makes sense.

Wouldn't be necessarily resource intensive to support ppl on the ship. Can operate the ship with a skeleton crew, or simply minimal amount. Or design a transport ship specifically for that purpose, like 5-10 ppl max. And have minimal crew space as they don't need to live on the ship. Well ppl via ship is possible but not an effective use of ship transport. Just use a Stargate, doesn't take days, doesn't require air or food. Either design a transport ship with bare minimal human crew with very limited crew space, or current ships with skeleton crews for that purpose. I guess we are kinda saying same thing.... But just wanted to reiterate that ships and Stargate and both able to be used for colonization of planets especially when used hand in hand

You can just store people in the beam memory buffer like the wraith do.

@@Zoey-- Just make sure not to accidentally turn on the gate

Reminds me of that one Atlantis episode where they evacuate from a place where the people have their city in a volcano. The Daedalus has enough room to carry all at once, but the systems on the ship aren't able to keep them all supplied with oxygen.

The ashen demonstrated it perfectly with their harvester operation. Shame the idea never really got used again on screen.

i think you just set up a train system, put tracks on both sides and push it through.

Depending on the destination you could set up the containers to do different things. A ruggedized container with skids could be shot/dropped through a Gate and be expected to simply land on the other side, ready for a following crew to pick it up or unpack it. On a more established base you could have a magnetic catching mechanism, and for a fully established colony you'd actually have something like train rails set up to catch them on a regular basis.

Its possible there could only be one active supergate per galaxy, just like there is only one active stargate per star system.

@@nitehawk86 Plus supergates are expensive to build. And not in the sense of building material, but activation. You need a black hole every time you activate it.

Who needs a Supergate? Atlantis has a wormhole hyperdrive, which is essentially 'gate-speed, but on a city-sized spaceship'...

@Paul Chaisson true, but it got burned up in the jump to Earth. And I read that the writers only introduce it as a plot device to get Atlantis to Earth. Which is why they burned it out.

They just need to focus on galactic politics & alliance building, make the stories more dialog focused & centered around espionage, coups, & terrorism, with a bit of exploration sprinkled in.

Dont forget sgu and 3 movies

@@commoguru Pretty much the premise of SG-1 season 8. With all the big name system lords gone the humans of Earth had to try playing powerbroker between the various factions that took over bits of what was left. It is a shame that the writers decided to take a "same but different" approach with the Ori.

17 seasons is 7 too seasons too long. Or more because I forget what season that happened. After the system lords line came to an end they decided to rinse and repeat with new antagonist. That was boring.

​@@WayneBraack 17 seasons is counting three different series.

you could line up a special train on tracks and then just drive though at a high speed, could probably get several thousand containers and a few hundred passenger cars though in 30 minutes, use some antigrav to lighten the containers and a standard loco could pull a serval mile long train at high speed (record for a 'unmodified' high speed train is ~300mph), With the tech SGC have you could have a maglev track with a 150 mile long train cruising though the gate at 300mph, which would be about 19,800 containers, which is more then the average cargo ship also I imagine you could backwards engineer the gate and had multiple 'local' gates on a planet/solar system

Yeap! Just need some Ikea ingenuity to get folded housing to the new colony xD

There is a fanmade story that uses it in a simmelar way. Just send trains trough, Plus it will always be a super strong military object. Want to ground invade a planet. Beam a stargate down somewhere away from enemies and just flood in an army.

@@mbos14 or other option, put stargate in orbit and fire a tungsten orb with a snail sealed inside through the gate

Hell, you could run a narrow-gauge train through one! Or a whole convoy of medium-sized trucks

That's actually an amazing idea. If you could beam through a gate then you could conceivably just have tiny little gates and fit anything through them. They'd be totally OP. Who needs a fleet of costly, giant, crewed space-worthy ships flying everywhere when you can just have a bunch of little micro gates constantly connected to different planets allowing instant beam travel back and forth?

yes, also the transport of massive amounts of objects like raw minerals or grain would be easy with ships: it could not take more than two weeks top even if you use "smaller" ships the size of x304s to load materials from the planet to a stupidly big sized super transport ship that acts like a cargo-mothership that transport everything at once so stargates could still work to transport people and quick materials, while ships could be for stuff that fits more of a secondary role

You're basically dealing with the same networking problem you'd have between planets in a solar system. You need a set of store-and-forward relay stations to handle the long-latency, one-way, and unreliable radio links. Same deal with the stargate network, except instead of the latency coming from radio propagation, it's from the time between gate diallings.

@@Roxor128 and, of course, the individual links in the Stargate network are not one-way for data transmissions, which simplifies the protocol work enormously since you can at least get one-hop acknowledgement of delivery in near-real-time. Means you can treat individual links as reliable while active.

That would require a custom gate on both sides, otherwise it would be like a supergate dialing a regular gate. I wouldn't want to end up in that situation.

Or a gate that doesn't need a ring to dial, we do know ringless artificial wormholes are a thing thanks to the finale of Atlantis. And needless to say that they would have to be pretty big to fit a ship that size. Say a group of partially ascended ancients split off from the main group and developed a civilization in yet another galaxy. They would be advanced to a different and likely more advanced level after spending possibly millions of years of near godhood level knowledge and abilities. Maybe a gate that just folds space or projects a doorway like an iconian gateway. It doesn't have to be the ancients of course, they can't be the only ones to have thought about such a device in the entire universe. And the Stargate universe is bigger than most in science fiction, the destiny has traveled a million light years or more per year and been doing it for millions of years so we're talking trillions of light years. That's putting it at about 100 times the size of the visible universe btw. Just putting the possibilities in perspective, the lore needs some new material and possibly a bigger threat. Artificially ascended beings like the replicators or other powerful godlike entities like the giant crystal skull aliens. Beings born from primordial energies made sentient, stuff like that. Or here's a thought, maybe make a show where you get to see the future of the Stargate program and what we've done with the advanced technology after a hundred years or so. A future where we have hundreds of types of ships of all sizes and have colonized hundreds of worlds and skipped type 1 and became type 2 civilization thanks to the shortcut of technological development. We can't build zpm's yet but we're halfway there level of development.

Galaxy gate to speed transitions between galaxies and offer fast ship travel to places outside the gate network and seed new gates in a human built separate gate network that hostile have no access to

why, because it looks like a ring that you can stretch so it can be about generic bs? the stargate was the best man could do before turning into gods. its a presumption that makes the universe interesting. bounds. this is like reading a x-treme marketing meeting. I like how it set limits that are plausible instead of treating the show like metaphysical malleable goo so that a cool sequence can be filmed. Like a graph with variables that reaches as asymptote based on physical coefficients. Physics.

In my Stargate fanfic SGC built tactical gates are created from nanites so that they have variable apertures based on the need for communications, personnel or small ships. Its a great tool in the arsenal and expanded fleet doctrine I designed for the story.

yep it is a dumb argument.

Actually, the Asgard DID use stargates. Their colonies in other galaxies had gates -- ones they made themselves. How else do you think Jack got to one? We see them come and go from Earth by the gate several times. We've even seen _ascended ancients_ traveling by gate a few times.

@Soul Index I heard about that, I hope Amazon uses his idea.

@@sg-24 i dont know man. i dont really trust any modern writers to do stargate any justice. if they go ahead and actually make new stargate content im almost 100% certain it will just go the way of star wars, star trek, hell they even got lord of the rings, and that was amazon specifically. id rather they all stay far away from one of the last great sci-fi series.

You mentioned trains and made me sad. Yes trains are still used, but for transportation they aren’t as used anymore b/c of cars, and I like trains.

@@sg-24 True in USA. But in Europe and Japan, they are still used that way.

@@sg-24Rail networks still offer a considerable amount of efficiency if the surrounding infrastructure is suitable. Rail here in the US is hard because things are so spread out - in smaller countries with high density infrastructure though, rail makes a lot of sense.

@@sg-24 Because of all the subsidies and infrastructure for cars. Trains and light rail can be viable solutions for cities and can even make certain flight routes obsolete

@@sg-24 Go to Europe, China, Japan, India...

The logical thing would probably be to create a space station (presumably much cheaper than an intersteller ship) with beaming tech for local delivery. That, coupled with a stargate-train for the interstellar bit would work well

i like how its not a show about the coast gard. god forbid you empower a tactical team instead of admiralty

I mean it can be used to travel to other universe, but I wouldn’t say that was its primary function.

They shipped a large rocket through in pieces and assembled it on the far side in one episode. And they built an observatory and a paved road (with signs) on Cassie’s planet

@@mahatmarandy5977 Agreed, ship are good for find new planets and transport things too big for stargates. Once a planet has a stargate, you can send many vehicles and machines designed to be sent thru a gate to get the colony started, and they could built their own factories and be self sufficient in a year.

we don't know what happens if you abuse a star gate. it might just consider it unreasonable and dump it in space a light year away. tripped the breaker on it tryin to be smart

Stargates will become obsolete when doorways go obsolete.

So a Gate with a train built to go through it. I wonder how much data the gate can hold to reassemble on the other side correctly. Like can it hold 3 train cars or 50 train cars? Can you imagine doing that through the McKay-Carter Gate Bridge with a full train load about 2 miles long. Well the 24 hour quarantine in the middle may cause an issue...but still the possibilities are awesome.

You could build a train that takes 20 minutes to go in

I think also what people don't get is that a puddle jumper could literary cost like 50% of the GDP of a civilization for 50 years to make a few of, there is a misconception that it might be the ford van of the ancients, its actually a good design. it looks Ike a i-van, that must mean it is mass produced from factories. Could be cottage industry of hyper advanced systems made by craftsman that just don't scale made with the exotics of exotics. IMO that is the amazing thing about the show, and people don't realize that there is tech like that. WE don't have alot of it though. ground optical telescopes come to mind (years of just dealing with a hot piece of glass). We don't build things we cant mass produce because we still suck as a civilization. And we are not smart enough to figure out how to build really difficult things. Logically these designs should exist... but its not the 'of the masses' mindset that we like on earth. If someone actually made something unique and hard to replicate, it would make people rage because its 'not equal'. not compatible with our society, we find comfort in cheap shit that we might be able to afford one day, and people are stuck thinking that its the way it is. And we still have communists on our planet, they REALLY don't like 'unique' objects. Say you need some exotic matter (lets call it helium 8, 10mg/year is recoverable from 0.01% of stars, build requirement is 10000mg / puddle jumper). Half the planet considers that idea of that kind of design destabilizing to governments lol. I feel like there is a trend in scifi that says 'MAKE IT GRUEL SO THE MASSES CAN RELATE" I don't think alot of arguments knocking shows are even scientific arguments, its just making assumptions on what is possible in engineering based on social-industrial fantasies, in which unique objects are aggressively prosecuted. you could write the most outlandish bullshit, so long it deals with the masses, conformity and obvious group thinking it will be gobbled up as realistic (so it has to be in agreement with tiktok generic responses). You have people start to rant about mcguffins because they never had something that was not popped out of a mold and purchased at the 99 cent store from their noir existence. And you get thoughts like "their stupid because its not mass produced and made easy' instead of 'wow they managed to pull that shit off together'. I feel like its cancer in scifi. Can't keep your jealousy in check so people start talking mad shit. I love how people keep saying stuff is outdated but other then ranting about the lack of a nice UI for the computers, we can't pull off 0.01% of the stuff scifi portrayed even in 50's movies on any kind of scale, ease, reliability, etc. I feel like I am dealing with kids matching poorly lit contours of complex 3d objects to declare 'matches' when I read reviews. Does it make the pRC loook poor and stupid?! COULD OUR WAY OF LIFE POSSIBLY BE WRONG?! BAD SHOW

@@cdrom1070 Production of Ancient tech is a strange absence from the show. It could be that everything was built to order and by hand but even then you'd expect there to be plans somewhere in Atlantis. I like to imagine that the actualy industrial production facilities were on the outer edge of Atlantis so the Atlantis Expedition simply didn't get to them while the show was going. Now that it is on Earth, with a lot more manpower available they could find it sooner and learn how to make some of their technology. You could wind up with basically different models of technology being mixed and prefered by people. Goa'uld, Ancient, Asgard, Human styles like models of car.

I would agree with that, but the writers of the show admit that that level of tech was so OP that they broke it intentionally and plan to never bring it back.

Funny enough someone did the math on if and Asgard ship could reach the Destiny. I can’t really confirm it because I’m not that good at math. But if I remember right it would take a few seals by their estimate. Also the colonies, yeah I could have talk about that better.

to a point but there's so much time lost with the prep, embarking, travel time, then the debarking, etc. The point to point access of the stargate will always be faster. This topic really seems a stretch.

The stargate is not "exploration". Someone had to already have been there for the gate to be there in the first place. In SG:U, there were many "seed ships" sent out ahead to do the exploration and drop gates on interesting worlds.

@@jfbeam just because 'someone' has been there doesn't mean its not exploration. The point is WE haven't been there. It's the same if someone were to say they went out and explored the a city. Clearly someone has been there and build the city already, but the person saying is going out to discover themselves what it is that was constructed.

@@jfbeam That someone ('Ancients') wasn't SGC or humanity, so for us it is exploration.

people want to make it into rick and morty so it can be more edgy, aka marvel cancer

That is true, but keep in mind those were build by people way smarter than the people of Earth

Stargates are bottle necks though. Ships might have their own drawbacks but you can send a fleet and land it all over a planet

@@photoo848 Ehhhhh, they're both bottlenecks in their own way.

Ships also require specialized skillsets and large amounts of manpower. You need a large, fully trained crew to maintain and operate a ship of any appreciable size. Most gates can be operated by one part-timer, or 3-5 full-time employees if you want an iris guard on staff at all times.

@@photoo848 this is why i also brought up the super gate, they still have their unique uses, it would be stupid to get rid of one for the other in my opinion. because sometimes a gate address is blocked or the gate has been buried and can no longer function like they need, so to send a ship would be at least another idea that works.

True, unless they build more ships.

@@sg-24 building more ships would be required but dedicating ships and peoples’ time is way too costly over sending material over star gate. The human cost is just too high for shipping goods.

@@itsjustboarsley Yeah. Entire agrarian civilizations can run interstellar trade with stargates. Virtually zero infrastructure, knowledge, or maintenance needed. There's a reason Stargates survived the fall of the ancients and their ships did not.

Have you watched it recently? They were pretty inclusive, especially for the late '90s to early '00s. That used to be a good thing.

Good idea with the colony report. As for the ZPM the two week mark came from a ship without using one.

That is a real issue with space travel and does effect things like Star Trek’s warp drive. But with the hyperdrive that Stargate uses they enter into a different dimension where those issues aren’t really a factor. That may change in the futures like it did with Star Wars hyperdrive, but at the moment ships in SG don’t have to worry about space debris.

@@sg-24 that we know of. it's entirely possible that within a galaxy there are routs where can fly faster or slower depending on debris in hyperspace, but that we never see the charting of that space, and that the space between galaxies is much lower density, so you can use a much faster, but lower accuracy hyperdrive between them then switch to the slower one with more ability to maneuver around any debris or obstacles once you enter the other galaxy.

That's okay, we can disagree. For you first point while ZPMs were used to supercharge ships, it wasn't done all the time. When the Dedalus went to help Atlantis during the Siege it took 4 days to get there with the ZPM charging it, but after words when it was traveling to the Pegasus it did so only under the Asgard Hyperdrive. And the hyperdrives don't need ZPM to reach or jumpstart the speeds to get to Pegasus in two weeks. The Apollo was able to do it and it was never given a ZPM. For you second point this is just something I missed completely. For this video I was too focused on the trade and colonization stuff that I comply forgot that Stargates do have military uses to them. I do agree with you that stargates do have limited military use, someone else pointed out they do have some, and as such I plan to do a video about that topic later. For your third point, WHY DOES EVERY ONE KEEP BRING UP TRAINS TODAY! I joke that does sound like a really cool system to set up and the use of vehicle could solve some of the issues. Generally, agree most of what you said for this point, but I do disagree in one area. That being the issue relying on a single form of transportation, yes you can try and make bad aid fixes, but the issue still remains relying on one from of transportation. See I go the inspiration for this video after doing some work in a warehouse and saw an issue occur. See we had to ship these items out by 4 pm when the FedEx truck would show up, but suddenly he started showing up and hour early. It was creating a problem because we weren't getting enough item ready to be shipped out by then. Now it was a simple fix, the boss called FedEx and asked them to go back to the 4 pm time. But with the Stargate that might to be an option. In the current SG a lot of the trade seems very low level, but for the industrial side of trade gets a bit more complicated. And heck looking back on military use if the Lucian Alliance wanted to mess with Earth's trade, they could just keep dialing Earth (and their trade partners) over and over again. I did want to thank you, this was a really interesting comment, and it gave me some insight on this topic that I may bring up in the fallow up, whenever that comes out.

​@@sg-24 Well - Asgard hyperdrive is scalable thing - Thor managed to get between galaxies under an hour just in Thors Chariot... they simply had enough power to do so. but problem likely lies in what Hermiod said - it will eventually burn out the hyperdrive (not the reactor, the drive itself) if done too often. And lets be said - Asgard were, by far, best race in hyperdrive technology in that setting. If we go by the book then 10000 year old Vanir scout craft made it to Milky Way under a day. But - SGC ships likely could barely house one neutrino-ion reactor of rated power.

@Paerigos that’s a good point. But I’d argue while not the masters of it yet, Earth will learn to master the Asgard’s hyperdrive tech now that they have the core.

@@sg-24 Again its likely just question of scale. A ZPM is essentialy a bottled star a limited battery. Asgard reactors were just that - reactors which needed to be refueled eventualy. but those things on bottom of Belisknir were absolutely massive - like alone they would be size of X303 each. Earth simply doesnt have option to build on such scale and keep SG secret.

@Paerigos Oh I agree there’s no way they could do that and keep the SG a secret. That’s why at some point they will have to. And even then it won’t happen right away. They would need to be sometime to develop the tech, perfect it, and use it in this way. I think one comment said it may take a century to get to that point. Not sure it it would need to take that long, but it would be inevitable.

Ya now with modular building you can transport what you want to transport in pieces. My question how long of a train that can fit the star gate use the star gate?

I know the stargate has a width and height limit but does it have a length limit as well?

@Logan Shaw to my knowledge no, The only thing we see travel through the stargates with any real length is the puddle jumpers.

@@loganshaw4527 The answer to that is: kind of. It has a time limit of 30 minutes, so the limit of length is based on the length you can shove through in that timeframe.

@@sg-24 yes the ancient Vehicle designed for the star gate.

I was going to mention that in the movie Abydos was on the "other side of the known universe". In the show it was close enough to Earth to not be affected as much by stellar drift, that the stargate address still worked. I have to disagree on Ra just getting to Abydos from Earth for the first time since the Earth rebellion. The people on Abydos would have developed a completely different way of life if They hadn't seen "the gods" for that long. They were obviously used to regularly delivering naquadah to the pyramid. If it had been thousands of years since the gods had been there, those beliefs would have been long forgotten.

The pod was used to sustain him. There were still his guards, support staff all around. I never took it as a stasis pod as the same pod was used by Jackson to be revived. Ra in the movie even mentioned how easy it is to maintain a human body. I've watched the movie dozens of time and never divined that there was no type of ftl travel.

To be fair the original movie takes place in a different universe.

@@Joshua-ew6ks Is that your take on it?

At the same time, we saw plenty of examples of why it would be unwise to let that particular cat out of the bag

@@mahatmarandy5977 for sure, i just think it would be such a crazy scenario to live through. Imagine one day the goauld just showed up and to your delight, your government had secretly been building a bunch of weapons to defeat them. You survive an alien invasion AND find out that we are an interstellar species all in one day