Haydn: Sinfonie Nr. 59 (»Feuersinfonie«) ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Andrés Orozco-Estrada 

He always looks like he's having a good time.

yea

The chances of Haydn knowing the Water Music - or anything else by Handel - as early as 1768 when he wrote Symphony 59 are next to zero; it’s a neat speculation though.

@@elaineblackhurst1509 how?

@@hjo4104 Haydn started to get to know Handel in the 1780’s through some of the Sunday morning sessions of ‘old’ music put on by Baron van Swieten in Vienna; these were the musical concerts that Mozart also attended (rather more than Haydn who was often away at Eszterhaza) and for whom he did his Handel re-orchestrations for example. The Handel bombshell really hit Haydn in England between 1791 and 1795 where he heard lots of big-scale Handel performances and was pretty much overwhelmed by the impact. Haydn before this may have known a few keyboard works, but it is very unlikely he would have come across any Handel occasional pieces like the Water Music - or Fireworks Music - as the chances of a performance in Vienna were pretty much zero. The Handel ‘Complete Edition’ did not appear until the second half of the 19th century in Germany (Chrysander), though there was an earlier Arnold edition in England published between 1787 and 1797, but this again is far too early in relation to Haydn’s Symphony 59. Handel was massive in England, almost cult status from the Royal family down to the most ordinary people at the Vauxhall Gardens - and everybody in-between; in contrast, he was barely known in Vienna, and relegated to non-mainstream sessions (as mentioned above) put on by van Swieten. My point was that Haydn *did* know a lot of music by Handel, but *not* as early as 1768 when Symphony 59 was written, and of course, stylistically, at this point, there is absolutely nothing of Handel in Haydn’s music itself which again is evidence of what I am saying.

Bravissimimimi

⁠@@simatic7253 Piano - pianissimo - pianississimo, et cetera.* It’s the issi’s (=very) that you that you multiply in Italian for very quietly, and very very quietly and so on as seen on musical scores (p pp ppp); it works similarly for forte = loudly. You can have bravo/i/a/e and bravissimo/i/a/e; never seen or heard bbb. * You can occasionally find pppp = pianissississimo, or even ppppp = pianississississimo, but now it’s just getting silly!

why is this funny?

His music is loaded with witty sense of humor, if you get it.

Medical Museum I don’t think it is, and all this stuff about Haydn being funny is repeated ad nauseam without much evidence - as shown by the reply to your original question. It’s better to think of Haydn’s treatment and development of motifs and ideas as ‘ingeniously playful’ sometimes; this rather better explains what is going on. Also, there is some influence of opera buffa evident in Haydn from the mid-1770’s - it’s in Mozart too (finale of Haffner symphony) - which is a better diagnosis of the point than ‘humour’ or ‘funny’ et cetera. Some of the playfulness can be witty, but again ‘humour’ which implies laughing and joking, is another over-used word.

@Alcina Interesting thoughts as ever. ‘Witty’ and ‘playful’ are of course two of the most frequently found adjectives used by the late, great HC Robbins Landon with whom I spent a memorable day at the University of Bristol in England in 1982; not sure I would describe Robbie Landon nor his writings as a ‘…very restrained ladies tea-time’ sort of person or writer. As you may have gathered, I struggle with the whole concept of humour in music generally - I find Mozart’s Ein Musikalischer Spass (K522) very UN-funny - my problem entirely, though I do think there are some genuinely comedic moments in Haydn’s operas. Other than the operas, I think the humour aspect - ie trying to make listeners laugh through comicality - is somewhat over-stated in Haydn, and what there is to be found, is little more than that to be found in Beethoven who is rarely tarred by the same brush. Perhaps I just need to lighten up!

Funny ? no ! I discover very often in Haydn's wonderful music his "joy de vivre". I admire always your comments on Joseph Haydn.

Haydn (+Mozart) = Classical (c.1750 - 1800).

The conducting is elegant, poetic and takes the orchestra to unknown Heights.

AGREE...IF I WAS A ORCHESTRA MEMBER I COULDNT FOLLOW HIM AT ALL....

That's why you aren't an orchestra member.

GIVES ME HOPE THEN,,,,IF HE CAN CONDUCT SO CAN I,,,,ALWAYS WANTED TO....I CAN SHOW HIM HOW ITS DONE.....@@richardnewnham1417

@@andywalmartdejá de hablar pelotudeces… seguro no sabes tocar ningún instrumento, andá a audicionar a ver si quedas