Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs management media availability, do you believe they will make significant changes to the team and a mini Gerry’s Percentages on if there will be change or not.
Players have kids and wives and homes. they’re people not property kiddo. Tell that to the NHLPA and record it so we can all see them laugh in your face
@@chadgrov The armed forces move all the time to new bases and they dont make millions of dollars so cry me a river that over paid kids who play a game dont want to move , Ask D N D what they think of what u said and watch them laugh in ur face .
No movement clauses are just players having consent to where they play. Cap models were based on 100+ million Salary Caps. Dubas never pivoted. All of the core 4 should have had 7-8 mill deals you could have used the extra 4 mill for each of those deals to add more depth. Losing Muzzin and Brodie regression was really painful. Get Andrew Lugerner from Vegas and replace him with Pridham. I would have tried to get a pick from Pittsburgh for Keefe and swapped Keefe for Sullivan if you could.
Hayes is spot on! No one cares if they bring back bertuzzi or kampfe. We care about the core 5. Agreed, I'm not convinced anything will happen. Waiting for them to prove it to us by actually doing something beyond a coach change
I care about Bertuzzi and Domi coming back, they play the style we need for the playoffs. Definitely need to move off Marner, and JT. Wouldn't mind seeing Rielly go at this point, too.
@@RobbieG17 we agree too but I know what he's trying to say. Basically saying we don't care if THOSE are the changes and only changes you make, in regards to either signing or moving on from those players. All we want when we say change is moving on from 1 or all of those 3 core players. I would like to bring both of them back too.
Hayes hit the nail on the head, the stands will be packed regardless. It has been like that for years. So why should the organization care? They could fill the rink with guys that were playing shinny hockey earlier in the day..... The stands will still be packed. The fact is nothing will change.
exactly.. I remember taking my oldest boy to our first ever NHL game. That was about 15 years ago ( sure as hell can't afford to go with todays prices). Toronto vs Edmonton. Leafs were in 2nd last place in the league and Oilers were dead last. So 2 bottom dweller teams playing that game. Stands were absolutely jammed packed. Insanity..
O DOG you are wrong wrong wrong !! Thank you Hayes for correcting him . you CANNOT compare the Canes situation to the LEafs .Not even close .The Canes won a Cup in 2006.ONly 18 years ago .And they have made the conference finals 3 times since that Cup . .It has been 57 for the LEafs .Cannot compare the 2 at all .If the LEafs won the Cup in 2005 and made the conference finals 3 more times after that fans would still be content even with this streak of playoff failures .i dont know about the rest of you but I just want to see ONE just ONE damm Cup ( or at least a Finals appearance ) in my lifetime .Then I will be happy !!
The worst thing possible that happened to Mitch was playing as part of the Leafs Core 4. I expect Mitch to get traded and win a Stanley Cup like Kadri & Kessel did. Leaf players win cups after they are traded out of Toronto. Can you imagine if Marchand mentors Marner to properly back check to his own net and play like Marchand in the playoffs. 😀
I know these players have contractual control however, apart from Matthews and Nylander being safe due to their new contracts taking affect, you have to do something with the other 3. I know there's a chance they all say no to waiving their clauses but there's a chance 1 , maybe even 2 of them do it. One of the problems with this core is they've heard for 8 years now that " they're untouchable". They never said they're safe or they don't think moving on from them is feesable. They've heard " they're untouchable". Take it for what it is, but I think you approach all 3 of them ( Marner, Tavares and Rielly) and tell them you have zero intention of bringing them back. You have 2 choices. First choice is to help this along, waive your clauses and submit a list of teams. Second choice is you say no, come back and play your contract out but the team/ organization is moving on from you and you're gonna play your last season here, on a contract year. Best case scenario, 1 or multiple players waive their clauses and you make appropriate/ necessary moves to better this team. Worst case scenario, they say no. So you run it back, suck it up for a year and let them walk. It sucks to let them walk for nothing but at the end of the day, you won't bring them back, you'll have a ton of cap room to so sign players needed. I'm not sure how it will turn out. I hope all 3 of them say okay, we'll waive and here's a list of teams. Problem is, I think everyone has to realize, those lists can be short and it may consist of teams that either don't want that player, can't facilitate a respectable trade or don't have the cap space to sign them. What if they submit a list of 10 or 12 teams and none of those teams can work out a deal? I don't know but I think a lot of people may be disappointed if/ when they come back and say no to waiving their clauses. Either way, I think you have to approach them and have that discussion. Not only for those players, but ALL players. You have to send the message that, even if you seem contractually safe, we will trade you or let you walk if you don't step it up and commit to this team .
Couldn't agree more. So frustrating they kept doubling down on this core year after year. Kept running it back with no proof it would lead to anything but failure and disappointment. 8 years of this ( 6 with Tavares) and nothing to show for it but 1 series win. 1 series win in 20 years. What an embarrassment. And now , like you say, you've wasted 8 years of these players for what?
One thing that they touched upon here is how the reaction from the fans et al. if/when they get going good again next season. This is problematic because I've been the opposite; when the Leafs get off to an average-ish start, I'm usually most critical, and what they've done every year has proven it. They come out and have pretty good seasons, not too great, as they're often nearer to the wild card position than the division lead. Look at Boston this year. They were fire hot to start the season, ended a little bit on the slower side, and only dropped out of first spot in the division near the end. They maintained home ice advantage though, and that's the one thing the Leafs have no had in the majority of these game 7s played, especially those against Boston. Another thing is despite the tremendous record that Keefe had during his tenure in Toronto as head coach throughout the regular season (over 60% win rate), you also have to consider the fact that a lot of these games are played against worse teams with fewer chances to win compared to the teams who can and will. Beating up on a San Jose team and some others will help your stats look much better than they are, but I'm willing to bet (and I haven't done any math to confirm this), but my hunch would be that if you examined the Leafs numbers vs contending teams, they'd actually be closer to the .500 mark. After all, given their track record, they're a sub .500 team in the playoffs. That's simply not good enough. Even Boston and other teams occasionally get a 4-0 sweep, or a 4-1 series win. The Leafs *SIMPLY CANNOT DO THIS!* My analysis: You have to get rid of Marner or Tavares, or both if possible, and especially if they can bring back decent returns, which Marner should be able to do, and Tavares most likely as well. Johnny T deserves a chance at a cup, and if he really wants to do it in Toronto, he'll train extremely hard this off season to look his best next season, if he's still around. He's 33 years old, and nearing the end of his career in all likelihood, but he's not been producing these past few years as well as he could have. Marner is great in the regular season, then doesn't show up in the postseason. I really do think a different environment would be more suited for him, though just the same if you look at players the Leafs had but no longer do like Zach Hyman, it's also a scary thought that these players might just perform better outside of the spotlight and scrutiny of the Toronto press. Frankly, I think Rielly should stay. He's far from the single cause of the Leafs failures. He's a D-man ffs. They don't generally score beaucoup goals, and while he was on the ice for the game winner vs Boston, that was a likely situation given a team only has maybe 6-8 d-men on the team. Somebody has to be out there when it happens! The lack of goal scoring is the crux of the issue here, not one solitary d-man who yes, is the longest tenured player there. They do need an improvement in that position, as much as they need a *NEW GOALIE.* Woll looks good sometimes when he's healthy, but just the same, I wouldn't want to give him the keys to the car. Knowing the Leafs, they'll s--t the bed this year on most of these things, make one or two minor (maybe one major) move in the Summer, hope the team does well next year and do their best to limp into the playoffs, maybe. We'll see...
Not enough cap space to build a winner. Too much tied up in 4 players. You can't punt JT to the curb like people suggest, It's just wrong. Marner and his reps are going to screw this team even worse than he did the first time, and the fans will just keep on paying and praying for a miracle. Since the round one loss to the habs, its been painless for me, because I have no more faith in this organization. I still watch, and I still quietly route for this team, but they'll never disappoint me again. I expect nothing, so they can't.
Just think how different this team would be if they had chosen Lou Lamoriello instead of Kyle Dubas as the GM. With Lou its all about the crest on the front of the jersey not the name on the back!!
Saw this happening the day they chose Dubas as GM and Keefe as coach. Both unproven and this is the end result. Honestly they need to trade everyone from Matthews to the bottom line players and rebuild the right way. Firing Keefe was a good start. Now make those necessary trades and don’t screw it up again
Leafs action plan this offseason. -Lean out the roster and attempt to move JT and Marner. Both probably stay until the spring. Replace some of the free agents with your Marlies players. Get defenseman and forwards back for Marner. You should have pulled the trigger on Boeser or Konecy when they were available. Hanifin or Chychrun as well. Get a pick and prospects for JT. Maybe you can swing Bennett or another Top 9 centre for JT. But you have to keep expectations realisitic. Get Chychrun or another Top 4 defensemen. Sign Stolarz and start Woll or Make a trade for Ullmark. You have 9 million off the books so you have a lot to play around with.
They have to publicly announce that they will not resign Marner under any circumstances. Put the pressure on him Doubt they will, being the gutless organization they are, thinking they can “win” a deal at this point. The cap space is the win
Trade Proposal A) Marner and Reilly for Dobson and Horbvat B) Marner,Reilly Tavares for Malkin & Karlson C) Marner and Reilly for Werenski, Marchenko, Sillinger a 1st and and 2 rounder
Maybe MLSE will only do something drastic when all the other Canadian NHL teams start surpassing them in the standings. The Leafs have no draft capital left and nobody in the AHL to use as a trade chips. Still have to wait on prospects Minten and Cowan. Eerily similar to Pittsburgh Penguins situation except their core players are Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Karlsson are much older.
I’m team Hayes on this one. O’Neil can say whatever this team, that team… what he doesn’t understand that the bar is so low, people I just wanting them to win a fn round or two. How about starting with getting SHOTS! on the power play?! Is that too much to ask for?!
Hayes is right; nothing will happen. The sheep will line up to buy tickets and merch no matter what they cost and no matter who is on the ice. They always have, they always will, and the owners know that. Hell, I betcha Marner and Tavares both re-sign this year.
None of the big name players are getting traded. Maybe a Nick Robertson or Timothy Liljegren will get moved but none of the big names are going anywhere.
I always forget with these three guys, which one is Curly and which one is Moe....Come on you guys! Did you think that Keith Pelley was going to step off a plane after 8 years of being immersed in the professional golf world and fire Shanahan because the team lost in overtime of game 7? And what if he did fire Shanahan and replace him with someone else? What is that person going to do? Fire Treliving after one season? I get that you guys get paid to complain, not to think, but the guys who do get paid to think aren't going to blow up the team in a fit of distemper and be left with nothing. They fired the coach - that was easy and obvious and now they have to explore what is possible in the area of player changes to be ready for their next game - which is in October.
The overdrive guys should do this exercise to prove how futile the leafs efforts to win the cup are. Do a snake draft of all players that were excised from the leaf roster because of the core 4. For example Noel Ascari or ryan o reilly. You could even do it on a year by year basis. Through that exercise, you will find that you could build a stanley cup championship team with all the players they had for one or two seasons. What a waste of time and talent. Signed Maple Leaf SAP (oops. I mean fan)
Being one of the richest franchises doesn't guarantee you anything. The Dallas Cowboys is the most valuable team in the world, and they can't seem to get of the first round each year. All the other teams are going to have something to say about that, nobody is going to rollover for you because you are the richest franchise.
Marner for sure. Everything is just a joke for him it’s time for him to grow up with another team. Tavares doesn’t have the speed he used to but he’s still a great grinder. Reilly I’m on the fence. He really needs some help but he has given up some really bad goals that he should have easily been able to intercept. Sammy he is so hot and cold that if he was an automobile I would have traded it in a long time ago. Nylander when he gives a shit about playing he’s great but he really needs to start going after the puck in his own end when the other team has it. Matthews is fine but the other players have gotta start shooting more and not make it so obvious that they are just playing around trying to give it to him because they feel he’s the only one that can score. Seeing as we are stuck with Matthews and Nylander for the foreseeable future we should really try and free up the rest of those big $$$ players and start building a strong defence/goalie core so that every goal the Leafs score doesn’t go right back into their next 30 seconds later.
Pelley was there for one simple reason. To send a message that this will not be tolerated anymore. Everyone from the President/GM to the waterboy is on his radar, and results is all that matters. The honeymoon and grace period are done. Time for results... Go big or go home
Yes absolutely .The LEafs brass knows that the fans are dumb and will keep buying tickets no matter what .Cant really blame them really Think about it .If you own a business and you produce a crappy product ,and people keep buying it .WOuld you change it ?? lol
Doing it with some volume this time boys? The incompetence I see everywhere today blows my mind. Sports shows putting out half hour shows on youtube with zero volume...nobody bothers to check? Cell phone companies when you call them they treat their customers like crap. Shanny running the Toronto Maple Leafs for ten years with 4 superstars and getting past the first round once...barely...and still has a job. Blows my mind how all these people have jobs.
To me it has always been the coaching. The system the Leafs play is terrible for the skill level they have. Passing on the Defence is terrible. Passing on the Powerplay. To me Sheldon Keefe was a minor leage coach. He should have been gone 2 years ago when they lost to Montreal. Not having lines set by the playoffs is idiotic. Look at Edmonton and Vancouver when you get a good coach.
Dubas has ruined the leafs for years to come ! Hayes is SOOOO Rite and ODG is Sooo wrong .In the end the Laffs are handcuffed bc of BAD no trade contracts and BAD decisions that were sanctioned by ONE MAN SHANAHAN..........! IF we as fans know whats wrong and what has been lacking WHY didn't Shany who gets PAID to know it..! No trade to No snot Nylander and Marner ???????? Come onnnnnnn !!
Pelley copping to only a month of being there and not knowing about the last ten years of Leaf history let alone when Pelley worked for Rogers before he left for Europe. Cop out!
No because they are a Jersey Selling Regular season club that turn into crying bros that play Junior in the playoffs. Sick of them. 45 year Maple Leafs Fan and I have never wanted them to dump a contract for pucks like Marners ever. What a ghost in playoffs. No dipsy doodle fancy schmancy moves at all.
Pelley should have walked in and fired Shanahan, Treliving and Keefe. Start with a new vision that isn’t connected to Shanahan and his 1 playoff series win in 10 seasons. 🤡
