"He shifted the baseline for reality" - Is James Stewart the GOAT of Supercross 

GOAT, for sure!

I agree. You finally called one correctly. I'd say you nailed it.

James is the goat, but I think Ryder D Danger boy and lil ferry will pass up Jett

Most sport-changing, culturally appealing, lightning in a bottle type guy who was the fastest to ever ride a dirtbike in SX. People tuned in to watch him do shit that nobody else would do. Think it boils down to whether you see GOAT and most successful of all time as one and the same. At the end of the day, JS7 has 2 Supercross titles. RC has 5, MC has 7. That's a pretty big disparity in terms of numbers and tangible, numbers-driven 'success'. GOAT is always subjective. RC is for me.

He didn’t take Supercross to the level McGrath took it to.

Very true!

Did he. He has the same amount of SX chips as Chad Reed and spent most of his career recovering from accidents. McGrath is definetly the SX GOAT followed by RC, Dungey and Villapotto as the all time records show.

​@@carisi2k11 Absolutely he did/was. Just comes down to whether you see GOAT as the same as 'most successful of all-time'. I reckon there's a difference between the two.

@@johnblenkin2078 there is no debate on what GOAT means. People are getting dumber

​@@willyjameshuff Why's that? 'Greatest' is a subjective term. There's no criteria for it. It doesn't solely mean most successful. It means different things to different people. It's like asking what is the greatest movie/song/artist of all time. The one that has the most awards? It's popular opinion that RC is the GOAT for sure, and I'm in agreement. But to some people, MC is. And to some people, JS7 is, for different reasons.

Perhaps like no other rider...

nailed it

@Nathan Crittenden

Bam.... You nailed it !!

No Doubt!

Pastrana is right up there too. The original Fox boys are all GOATS in their own right. Pastrana, RC and Bubba all made their mark.

Ricky routinely beat him

@@nathancrittenden8525 you missed his point

@@chrisbuehler6868 no I didn't I don't believe its true, Ricky is the fastest I've ever seen and come closets to how fast its possible to go

@nathan crittenden there was a season where James was still on a 250 two stroke vs Ricky on 450f... and it was still a battle for Ricky

@@richj54321 pffft your dreaming 😂 if you can name me a championship Stewart managed to take this god like talent you lot seem to give him to beat Ricky then we can talk but as it stands Ricky was head and shoulders above him every time

One of the best comebacks ever. Also 2007 Indianapolis.

Apart from when Ricky beat him every week?

@@nathancrittenden85252005? James was on a 250 wasnt he? 2007 i think is where james was all around better than ricky in SX. Ricky said if he raced the full season james still would have won the title that year

@Messiona outdoors ricky got him every year. As in sx as you just mentioned he didn't race the full season James rode over his head regularly wich is why he crashed out so much. You can't be the best from a hospital bed

@@nathancrittenden8525 That’s true I just think James at his best is the best of anyone

True story!

Dude was willing to literally die. He’d rather die than lose.

You do realize James is 2nd right below McGrath and above Ricky on the SX wins. Ricky even said that there was things James would do that he wasn't willing to do. Yes Ricky Carmichael is definitely a GOAT but I would have to say James has earned the title as well. ✌ and Thank goodness we were able to watch these two phenomenal riders who had enough Respect for each others skills and didn't try to wreck each other. As Johnny Hopper says Bbrrrraaapp ❤

"Most talent of anyone to ever throw a leg over a bike"? I'd argue that one goes to TP.

Nailed it

RC got his a55 beat by bubba.

Not the goat of supercross just overall

That’s the craziest part of it all. JS7 was/is so damn talented that he COULD race with a win or die mentality without actually dying. People talk about him crashing a lot etc etc but let’s be real; he hasn’t been on the ground much for someone who was willing to die to win 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

I think he is Bubba good. But so is Forkner and a some others. They are all so good now there isn't that separation.

@@MX-CO nice opinion mate👌

Personally I think it's peaked and maybe even gone a little to far. As far as how fast it's possible to go, they have passed the threshold of what the human body can take. Which is evident with the higher amount of injuries in the past 3 years. I think they found that edge and now they need to reel it back in a bit. The speeds are too fast in my opinion. For the sake of safety and for the good of good racing both.

I agree, it is difficult for anyone to have the impact that James had ever again. He combined the athleticism that Ricky brought with a skill level and flat out aggression unseen before. And the bikes have too much power now, should reduce power output to allow skill to be a more defining factor again.

@@paulbernard2397 yeah exactly! Who do we see hitting ridiculous lines every weekend in order to crush the field ?.. never! Yeah we’ll get the odd quad or triple here and there. But to compare the current 250 riders to bubba and even rc isn’t even close!

Wins? how many more wins does he have than McGrath? ...I'll wait.

Ever heard of Ricky Carmichael or maybe Jeremy McGrath?¿

@@rmudge13 McGrath was ahead of his time and if he was on a track now in his prime he wouldn't be what he is today

Yeah he definitely overhypes jett for sure

It honestly does no rider any favors when you put them in the same sentence as RC or Bubba. Let Jett be himself. RC Bubba and Patrana all won the outdoor title their rookie yrs at 16 so Jett is behind already lol

Yeah. Jett is obviously good. He may end up being the next guy to get tons of championships. But, he’s no James in this sport. We’d know already. Just not bringing anything new like James, who was scrubbing hard from day one in the pros

I remember it. It was insane!

@@GYPSYTALES 2011 Daytona SX encapsulates JS7. That wall jump and then crashing while leading. Getting up dazed and still pulling the trigger on the wall jump. The most exciting rider I've ever seen. JBo talks about seeing him scrub before it was called scrubbing.

Bro 2014 Toronto was the Supercross race of the decade

My favourite SX race of all time. He had a shit start and then went super saiyan . JS7 all day.

@@robertsothmann8110 he has his GoPro of that. It's insane

Idk if you saw it live or not, but the broadcast didn’t even do it Justice, I remember how crazy the atmosphere was in the rogers Center, nobody was watching anybody other than James , I remember being so stoked to go home and watch the broadcast and being so annoyed that they didn’t even really talk about James until he made it up to 4th I think

It seems those that became fans of SX in the 2000's only really know JS and do not realize how MCGrath forced everyone to change how they raced, if they did not copy him they were not going to be a contender. Hell he even retired, came back and still won 2 more championships, nobody has done that.

McGrath definitely brought the sport extremely far with whoop skimming and an unassuming ability to stay low over jumps and basically scrub before Stewart brought it to what it is today

@@snoochieboochies6957 agreed, but McGrath was right around the point where the bikes were getting quite abit better and the suspension tech was so much better than late 80’s early 90’s. And the suspension just keeps improving to allow the new gen to do things which would of been much more difficult ten years prior. I know it’s 80% rider but you gotta put some stock into the bikes performance too.

i feel like they talking bout stew. not the old guy.

No no no. McGrath. Do people just forget? 72 wins 7 titles. 15 wins in a season. It’s not close.

@@seaeff6428 RU-vid is the proof that history can be rewritten and people will go along with it

@@seaeff6428 yeah different bike style, different era. Modern era Stew & Carmichael are the best

@@seaeff6428 against who your brother and my uncle, nobodys bruh James is the goat of our sport and anyone who thinks otherwise is dumb and Villopoto is better then Jeremy stop this

James Stewart - MJ Ricky Carmicheal - Bill Russell

Agreed, McGrath jumped stuff no one else would do and won 7 championships and 72 races. I will admit that Stewart was probably the fastest Supercross rider ever. Outdoors he wasn’t in RC’s league. He never one time went 1-1 against RC and RC won 30 something races out of 40 against JS.

@@dennygamble4520 I mean it was James first 3 outdoor seasons on the big bike so the fact he even kept up with RC was insane, and he still has the second most outdoor overalls behind RC but ahead of RV and Dungey, and by the way he has 20 overall 450 wins outdoor with 6 seasons of him on SX only deals on Yamaha from 2008-2013, James is the goat of sx and probably the sport

@@zumptt James won 2 championships in SX and had 50 wins. How does that beat MC with 7 and 72 wins and RC with 5 championships and 48 wins? I will agree that he was best 125 Supercross and Motocross rider ever and the fastest ever on a SX track but championships matter if you want to be the Goat. In SX you have MC 7, RC 5 and RD and RV 4. In 450 class outdoors how many motos did he beat RV and RD? He has 20 wins and RD has 39. It’s not their fault he did SX only. If you add up total titles he isn’t close to being the goat.

@@dennygamble4520 yea but Bill Russell has 11 NBA Championships but he isnt better the Mike. I agree on a Goat list RC is the greatest but James is the best sx rider ever, and he's the fastest dirt bike rider ever. He's the only guy to win all 3 Anahiems, and hes the only guy to win the SX title with a DNF at A1. He's better then Jeremy I mean come on that's flat out ridiculous RC and RV are better SX riders in my opinion

@@dennygamble4520 and I know it's not Dungeys fault he didnt race outdoors but the wins list would be way closer then it is and he missed out on 6 chip opportunities 7 if u count his knee Knee and RC only had one broken Arm so yes RC was greater, not faster

completely wrong. 2 chips does not equate to mt rushmore status. You can't be on that list when there are 2 guys he raced against in his prime that have more SX chips then he does. To me James Stewart should have won the same amount of sx chips as RC for him to be on Rushmore. As amazing has he could be his career is one of missed opportunity rather then GOAT.

Thanks dawg

Beautifully stated!!! JS7 was pure Speed period.

The bubba scrub

It's like fmx. There was a time when there was full blown fmx with all bikes right side up. Then backflips came and backflip variations. Guys quit, simply because this was a whole other level. Now a backflip is almost everyone's entrance trick if not a front flip or body varial

sick man is that where travis rode his bike into the water?

@@AMM1998 YUP !!

@@pauldayton5285 dude thats ingrained into my childhood memories forever. So sick you got to see that! So badass that would never happen these days

In supercross, yes, but RC had him covered outdoors. From 2005-2007, James only won 3 overalls against Ricky, all those happened when RC went down while checking out in moto 2, after battling heads up with James. Yeah, James won quite a few 1st motos in 2006 especially, but Ricky would always win the second for the overall or go 1-1 on the day, which happened more times than not. 102 overall outdoor wins (76 450, 26 125), out of a possible 126 overalls... he lost 14 races in his entire outdoor career, and his individual moto wins is over 200 (205 I believe).. and never lost a single outdoor title, 10/10 from 125 rookie all the way to retirement and never missing an outdoor series due to injury. That's insanity... Eli has 5 total, 4 being in the 450 and he's sitting 2nd all time behind RC. His last 4 seasons: 2002-perfect season 2003- lost two races straight up going against Windhams 450, while riding a 2 stroke 2004 2nd perfect season (Hondas CRF450R's only premiere motocross title to date, Ricky also won Hondas last supercross title in 2003, on a CR250R, so the CRF450R has never won a supercross championship) 2005 won every overall 12/12 (Suzuki's first 450) but lost two motos 22/24 when he crashed while leading one, the other James landed on his back after being passed for the lead. 2006- 10/12 overalls, lost 2 against James after crashing the lead away in Washougal and Southwick 2007 won every overall he entered (6) before his partial season was over, 5 of those being against James.. possibly won all 12 motos aswell. Yeah, James had the edge speed wise in supercross, but not outdoors, a Ricky beat him more indoors than he beat Ricky outdoors.. RC: 450MX 7, 125MX 3 JS: 450MX 1 (the only other guy to get a perfect season), 125MX 2 That's 3 premiere class titles to Ricky's 7... or including Supercross and 125 outdoors, that's 5 national titles to Ricky's 15 (regional SX titles don't count, it's not a national title). 150 total AMA wins to James's 98 (Regional wins don't count either) Eli just hit 94 AMA wins after Saturday, already passed McGraths 89 total wins for third all time combined wins. With 6 more rounds to go indoors and all of motocross, he'll be the second guy to break 100 wins, I believe. James has two more overall wins than RC in 125 MX with 28 (125/250F outdoor record), while Ricky has 26 (2nd all time) and 1 more title. James has 2 more wins in premiere class supercross, but with 3 (maybe 4?) more seasons to do it in than what Ricky had to rack up his 48, that's an important variable in my mind... Where would James been with only 7 years in 450 Supercross? I hope someone does that, it'd be very interesting. Ricky is also tied with most wins in a supercross season, just one shy of the perfect season. Sorry for the rambling, but he had nothing for Ricky outdoors.. for people that didn't live through RC's entire career, they dont truly comprhend his level of dominance (Im not saying you didnt btw) and when James went up against RC outdoors, that was Ricky on his way out and one year RC had Epstein Bar and still couldn't beat him, even though James was in his prime.. just the next season in 2008 he went undefeated without RC there. I have all the respect for James in the world, but forget just what RC could do against him... he won every title he went up against James for. It seemed like James lost motivation once Ricky left, infact, he even kind of admitted to that.

I will say no one would touch him on a 125, he's hands down the best 125 outdoor rider I've ever seen

totally agree with you hands down

Cuz he was racing against nobodys

Then there's that! I don't think anyone made people want to ride more than MC though.

Just remember, he's the reason why people like Aldon started popping up, you had to do everything perfect to beat this guy and they lucky he wrecked man has 100 wins with l those wrecks sheesh man was literally like MJ

100%

Same

Beyond goat level. Carmichael didnt change the way people ride bikes. Rc changed peoples fitness thats it. Its easy to whoop on a party goers when your the only one training... james whooped on everyone on everything, everywhere amd made everyone change how they ride bikes. Easily GOAT

Rc changed the sport by making it more professional so it’s just a bigger leap as what James did and he finished more so he won more all without being on PEDs so that wipes out any Goat talk out of the picture.

@@D6onGPS lol absolute bs and you know it. Dr prescribed meds at that, so quit with rc bullshit. Rc did nothing more than force everyone to train. Stewart forced everyone to ride faster, change the way they ride, and even forced track designers to change the layouts and etc.

Nah James is the goat and Jeremy isnt even top 5 sorry