To be fair though, a song about the idol worship of a baseball player is not exactly Punk. If that's what that song was supposed to be. I don't care if Sid Vicious was singing it it's just not Punk
@@charlesandrews2360 how come? I mean the overlap of sports and music goes far beyond the surface. Charboneau was a cult hero in Cleveland. I would get it if it was a song worshipping a widely recognized player, but as a former punk rocker (not that this gives me 100% authority) I think creating a song about a player such as Charboneau is punk af.
@@nomorefielders it's just an opinion. I was at disco demolition so I am familiar with the crossover music and sports. I was not a fan of that radio station but I was a die-hard White Sox fan happy to get into the game for $0.98.
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When I was in college I stepped out of my dorm room and walked right into Joe. Apparently he was friends with the guy living across from me. It was just after his rookie year and everyone at BGSU knew of him. I asked him to sign my yearbook from high school since that was the only thing I had . He signed it.. "Keep your grades up and your c*ck down ". I know injuries ruined his career but I still have an x rated yearbook memory from meeting him.
Joe gave me hitting lessons when I was a teenager. While I never made it as a baseball player, I had a lot of great memories with Joe and my father growing up.
@@zeldafreak1975 yes. he is in movie throughout in any sort of team gathering. his most proficient scene is a head first slide into third base near end of movie during playoffs or final game.
Amazing that you’d pick Joe Charboneau to feature. In 1980 I was a photojournalist with a suburban Cleveland newspaper and we were working on a big feature story on Joe. He generously agreed to meet me at his house where I photographed him with his 1950s hot rod. Although I was just a couple years younger than Charboneau, I was early in my career and felt a bit intimidated meeting the rising star. However, I remember him to be very welcoming and down to earth. I only spent 20 minutes with Joe, but I’ll never forget it.
Where is Joe? He lives right down the street from me in Cleveland and we have a beer together every now and then. He is one of the kindest human beings you will ever meet. He has a heart the size of Municipal Stadium!!! If you would like to do a follow up I could talk to him. GO SUPER JOE!!!
I'd like to see that interview based off of this. Very intriguing topic, I'm sure he's a happy man despite the setbacks with injuries in baseball... also would want to hear his response to the folklore!
As a life long Pittsburgh resident who is 59 years old, I was playing little, pony, and colt leagues in the 70's. I can't believe I don't remember this dude. Thank you so much for such an interesting and well made tribute to this man. I'm very impressed !
To show you where, when and how I grew up: Born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Japanese-American (showing HOW I grew up). What happened to Grady Sizemore? I thought that he was going to be a longtime star. And, speaking of a former Cleveland, I think that Ben (The Frenchman) Broussard got SCREWED in Seattle by Mike Hargrove. Made him a bit player. Broussard could have been a 20 HR player, if he got to play regularly. Not to hijack too much, but I don't feel like Mariners fans ever fully warmed up to Mike Hargrove (that crusty old grouch).
@@brianruyack7632 I remember the whole Super Joe thing but you wanna know what I remember more? Cory Snyders absolute cannon. He could throw the ball to fucking mars
@@unappealingundesirable2826 So the first thing you do is pathetically race-bait and then expect a response to the rest of your, otherwise appropriate, question. Pathetic.
I was 7 years old in 1980 and it was the first year I really became aware of what was going in sports. I'll never forget . I always wondered what had happened to him
When I was growing up in Cupertino, my best friend's mom worked with Joe's mom at Kaiser Hospital in Santa Clara. We knew about Joe early on and I was able to get his autograph on a Spartanburg Phillies farm team envelope. Of course when he made it big I treasured it..... and still have it today.
I graduated Cupertino High School in 1981...James Harley...one of 4 Harleys that graduated CHS...Go Pioneers...delivered Papers to Steve Jobs...watched Kurt Rambis as a Junior High Schooler because my brother was class of 77...sister class of 1979...Kurt was larger than life...future Laker...Lived my first 17 1/2 years in Cupertino California. lived near Vallco Mall...I followed baseball and definitely looked forward to the box scores in the morning paper in those days. GREAT TIMES!
@@jameshar9592 Monta Vista 1980 grad. Also saw Rambis play Monta Vista many times. That area was a hotbed of basketball talent. Also saw Mark McNamara from Del Mar play many times during that same time. Did you know either of the Watt boys? Beth Falkowski? Jeanie Fitsimmons? All went to CHS and graduated the same year as you or close to it.
I lived in Cleveland when Joe appeared. Those were exciting times! Another amazing player was Ron Blomberg with the Yankees. When he came up to the plate, he looked like a giant playing a boys' game. He burned fast and brightly.
Ron Blomberg ("Boomer" to his longtime Yankee fans like me) was something special. My memory of him was of two things: the bat always looked like it was made of balsa wood when he swung, and his line drive homers would take only a second or two to go out. His muscular strength was his undoing as he kept pulling muscles over the years. I worked in sports radio and interviewed him some years ago; there was still that tinge of sadness to him, that "what might have been" vibe. I collect Yankee memorabilia, and every Blomberg piece is also signed "First AL DH". I know he wanted to be remembered for so much more.
Great stuff! Really appreciate that you chose to celebrate a bolt of lightning rather than wax maudlin about the gloom that follows it. Thanks for the insights!
Thank for an interesting and well done video. The punk rock portion was the perfect device for tying the short but wonderful Charboneau era to the NE Ohio vibe of the early '80's. Kudos.
You tell a great story! I mean that in the best sort of way! You nailed the zeitgeist of that era and tied it to a baseball player. Love it! From now on Super Joe is SO PUNK! Well done!
** Cleveland didn't go bankrupt, it went into default. The reason is that powerful financial institutions in Cleveland, who held the City's loans, tried to blackmail the City into selling its public energy utility. Cleveland Mayor Dennis Kucinich said, we're not selling. This is the only time in American history that a city government so pissed off its loan holders that the loans were called in, causing a default. Kucinich has since been vindicated as Cleveland residents have saved millions on their energy bills.
Thanks for the correction. I’m definitely not an expert in local government so when I saw that the city defaulted on it’s loans, I assumed that could be categorized under bankruptcy. Thank you for the clarification.
This man is correct...Cleveland needed its heroes back then and Kucinich was the youngest mayor elected to a major US city and was considered a hero for the working man back then, Super Joe was a big deal that year, he was in left field the night Large Len Barker pitched his perfect game.
@@sludge4125 He was banned from at least Johnny Malloys and is currently forbidden from holding baseball clinics on Ridgeville’s complexes because of multiple incidents.
As a NYer in the 70s , I remember Joe C playing against my Yankees. Don't remember that shot into the left field upper deck, though. Interesting stuff on the Cleveland punk scene. We had Lou Reed , & CBGB,s did t know about the music scene in Cleveland. Nice job with this ..⚡
cleveland had The Waitresses "I know what boys like" Screamin Jay Hawkins I put a spell on you"The Moonglows ,The O Jays, Levert,The Dazz Band,.recently Kid Cudi < Machine gun Kelly, Bone thugz n Harmony,The James Gang,.Nine inch nails, Mushroom head,The black keyes,Tracy Chapman,Eric Carmen & the raspberries,Frankie Yankovi,Chrissie Hynde,Bull Moose Jackson..sooooo many national & international groups..........itz not by accident that the rock & roll hall of fame is there
Saw him play in Charleston. Great guy, just no pop left in his bat from the back injury . I have an autographed card and a picture with him during warmups one game. Chris Bando was also on that team
Thanks for an VERY entertaining video. I grew up in nearby Akron and the military sent me to Alaska after high school. The first visit back to Akron was with a new bride and Super Joe treated us to a big night of offense in old Municipal Stadium. The fireworks after his homerun is a great memory and a good way to start a marriage.
Me watching the part about punk rock: I really don't understand how any of this has anything to do with a baseball player. Me watching the Joe Charbaneu song: Holy shit I stand corrected.
i would have been glad to have only been a one hit wonder. I live in STL and have been a Cards fan with memories being old enough to follow them starting in 1960 and yet I remember Joe Charboneau with the Cleveland Indians, and they were in the American League. Good baseball story.
I DO remember Joe. We ALL thought he was gonna be the shit after his first year. Ah, well. That's life. " Where have you gone Joe Charbenou, our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you".
Charbs was the hitting coach on a team I played for and he was every bit the character the stories make him out to be. But he was also fiercely loyal, the type of guy who always has your back, a hard worker willing to help the hitters whenever or wherever they needed, and someone who clearly cared about his players and the job he was there to do.
I always remember this guy because Dave Stapleton was runner-up for RoY. Stapleton had a really nice season replacing an injured Jerry Remy. Stapleton would have won the award a lot of years. Stapleton got one standard divination worse every season for the rest of his career but if he had been on the field in game six of the 86 series my teenage years would not have been ruined
The closest thing to the next Reggie Jackson that I ever saw was Josh Hamilton, who unfortunately battled drug and alcohol abuse for many years. I saw Joe Charbonneau play when he first came up. Good player but I didn't think he was in the elite class of players......the only thing I remember about him was that he could drink beer from his nose.
I watched Hamilton as a rookie with the Reds and it was obvious in a second that he had rare gifts . Anyone with baseball sense could see it. That guy was a once in a lifetime talent
I know of him because It was my 1st full year of collecting sports cards, and being the 1980 rookie of the year, his card was one to have in 1981. Back in those days, his card value went from 10 cents to 2 cents in a year 😂
I saw Harmon Killebrew hit a home run there in 1970. Joe DiMaggio also hit a home run there according to old timers. This unobjective, unimportant, non neutral video is written by homers, aka Cleveland Indians fans.
On June 9th 1980 Charboneau hit a 3 run homer against the Yankees during a day game and at night sat in as a guest drummer for The Pagans. He then won MLB ROOKIE OF THE YEAR and a Grammy. Only Roger Maris was able to accomplish something similar when he hit 61 homers in 1961 and sing backup on "Runaway" by Del Shannon.
Little known fact, Joe Charboneau had a teammate friend named Kevin rhomberg, who was from Dubuque Iowa which is where I am also from. Kevin rhomberg was another example of a great hitter. Cleveland I think mishandled his career also. There's always too much pressure to give players of lesser ability south-of-the-border the first shots
Loved going downtown, a ten-minute bus ride, to see The Tribe in '80, paying a buck to go into the bleachers and, with Municipal Stadium being so empty, by the 4th inning me and my buddies would be sitting behind The Tribe's dugout. Loved the sound of his bat when Joe would hit ropes into the left field stands. Always will remember that sound.
Correct. The thing to remember is that visiting players did not get near as many chances each year as the home town player. And Mantle hit left handed most of the time.
I'm 66 and I remember Joe . Seems like he was hot for awhile and then disappeared. Too bad. Not sure he would have been the next whoever, but he was good. Also remember Tony Conigliaro, another great hitter who was unfortunately hit in the face with a pitched ball and never really recovered.
There's been lots of guys like this. If you're from Pittsburgh, like me, you probably remember Mike Diaz. Kevin Maas, the Mormon slugger, was gone from the Yankees in a heartbeat. Randy Milligan and Larry Sheets from the Orioles, baseball is a funny game and how guys careers disintegrate a fascinating subject...
It's true. I'm not sure why, but baseball, more than other sports, seems to have more guys who have one hot year early on, then just flame out and 5 years later you forget about them until someone reminds you.
I remember Len Barker's perfect game, but he kinda flamed out too. As a Tigers fan Indians always seemed to never be able to fully put it together in the 80's.
Wow! That's a name from my younger days. Thanks for memories. I spent a few months in Cleveland in the early '70s. The city with the river that caught fire. lol Ah, Cleveland. I don't miss that city at all.
@@WillieDuitt1 “I'll be a pharaoh soon Rule from some golden tomb Things will be different then The sun will rise from here Then I'll be ten feet tall And you'll be nothing at all”
Yeah, even near the end of his one good season, he was already losing it. But it was a great story for 2/3rds of the season, and he evidently was a great guy.
Spent the summers as a kid in Canton Ohio, remember the season, song and player well. Always wondered what happened to him as a player. Cool video, thanks
Frank Howard did indeed hit a tremendous homerun off Whitey Ford in Game 4 of the '63 Series. It happened, however, not at Yankee Stadium, but at Dodger Stadium. The first two games of that series were played in New York, while the final two were held in Los Angeles.
There was a movie called ship of fools that had a scene where a ballplayer relates how after an amazing rookie season it got out he couldn't hit a specific pitch and all he ever saw after that was that pitch. I always thought that was the deal here
In 1992 Brewers Finished 92-70 and was end of an Era but we had 2 of top 4 ROY vote getters including winner SS Pat Listache and P Cal Eldred. Brewers long time legends Rogin Yount, Paul Molitor and Jimmy Gantner were all calling it quits in Milwaukee after playing 15 years together. Brewers to there credit were stocking up on young talent to get ready for this day. With the 2 aformentioned ROY candidates. Brewers also had promising youngers in Power Hitter Greg Vaughn (26), Catcher BJ Surhoff (27), Darryl Hamilton 41 SB .298 BA (27) Power Hitter John Jaha (26), P Jim Navarro 17-11 3.33 ERA (25) and RP Doug Henry 29 SV (28) AFTER 1992 SEASON BREWERS WENT 14 SEASONS STRAIGHT WITHOUT A WINNING SEASON!!! When the Brewers refused/couldn't pay Paul Molitor to stay in Milwaukee after the '92 Season I was so upset with the Franchise and MLB I never returned as a fan. Sure I watched McGuire and Sosa HR Derby Season and Bonds HR Steroids Circus seasons but as a Fan I was finished. I'm still a Die hard Bucks and Packers fan but MLB is a rigged operations for the Large Market Teams and I just don't care. I attended dozens of games at Milwaukee County Stadium to root on the Brew Crew and loved every minute of it but I saw post season after '92 that MLB is for suckers. I love this channel because it brings back great memories but whenever this channel talks about what happened recently I zone out.
I remember him very well, I was a kid and I been a Yankees fan since 1976 I definitely remember "Joltin" Joe Charboneu hit BOMBS!! He just faded away, I always remembered him though.Him and Mark the "Bird" Fidrych Were Super stars that popped up and faded away.
I can’t remember the year, around 1989 or close to that, I was visiting in Hawaii. Inadvertently went to a minor league game, forget the name of the team, you guys can look it up. Sure enough, Joe came to bat and clubbed a homerun
Watched the game on TV where Joe hit the ball into the upper deck in left field at Yankee Stadium. Guys would hit the ball into the upper deck in right field all the time but you never saw it in left. It was truly monumental. I was a 15 year old Yankees fan but couldn't help but to become of fan of the quirky young Cleveland outfielder.
I went to a baseball skills camp with Joe when I was about 10 in 1997 at the Broadview Height, Ohio rec center when they were converting it from a mental institution. Hell yeah.
I remember Charbonneau we called him "Joltin Joe" as in DiMaggio. I also remember game #4 of the series. Ford vs Koufax. Howard's shot was the only earned run off Ford that day. He lost the game 2-1 on Pepitone's error. The Dodger's swept the series. It was a bitter defeat for us Bronx guys.
Howard's home run was in Dodger Stadium, not Yankee Stadium. Howard never hit a home run in the upper deck in left. A rumor popped up in 1968 that Howard hit a ball out of Yankee Stadium in the rain off Mel Stottlemyre. Just as Stott threw his pitch, a downpour started. Howard hit it foul toward the upper deck on the third base side. Blinding rains came and the ground crew put up a tarp on the field. After a long delay, play resumed. The ball wasn't found because a fan took off with it. He possibly left for good as it was a wet miserable cool day in May. It's no fun getting soaked and then having to sit in a wet seat in 50 degree weather.
The Charboneau story was so puzzling. Pitchers who have a meteoric rise and fall are a dime a dozen. Jim Bouton, Mark Fidrych, JR Richard, Denny McClain, David Clyde, Herb Score etc. But everyday players are usually immune to that.
Boutin pitched in the major leagues for 15 years. McClain was a three-time All-Star and won the Cy Young twice Andy was the American League MVP in 1968. J R Richard its in the Houston Astros Hall of Fame. Mark fidrych was the American League Rookie of the Year in 1976 and got injured in 1977. The only one of those pictures you named who was a bust was David Clyde. And everyone knows what happened to Herb Score in his third season after going 36-19 with an era of 2.69 and over 500 strikeouts in his first two seasons.
And speaking of Herb Score, my father always said the funniest thing he ever heard was two guys talking about the injury that happened to Herb Score. 20 years after the injury, at work he overheard one guy telling another guy about the incident. He told him the batter hit a line drive so hard that when it hit the picture in the eye socket the ball stuck there. And the other guy asked him, "Is it still there?"
@@charlesandrews2360 whoa whoa whoa… Super disingenuous reply. Boutin, for example won 39 games over a two year span then proceeded to go 16-36 over the rest of his career. He also didn’t play a single game between 1971 and 1978, and when he did return in 1978 he pitched 26 innings total and was out of the league again. He also most certainly didn’t play for 15 years. McLain was mercurial, and fantastic from 1965-1969. Led the league in wins in ‘68 and ‘69, however by 1971 he led the league in losses. He went 55-15 in 1968-1969. Then went 17-34 from 1970-1972. He went from leading the league in wins to playing for 4 different franchises and out of the league in a matter of 3 years. Like you said, we all know what happened to the Bird. No one outside of Houston knows who JR Richard is. And you yourself didn’t want to defend Score or Clyde. So…I think her original post stands up quite nicely. I’m not really sure why anyone would feel the need to try and negate a perfectly reasonable and pertinent comment. Come on, all this shit is easily found on the internet.
"Super Joe "with all the hype and the Theme song......fun times. If everyone makes it, then there are no interesting or cautionary tales to tell...His 1980 Strat-O-Matic card lives on!