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How the Angels Burnt $1 Billion 

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Arte Moreno just announced he's selling the Angels, but his two decades of ownership have been nothing but a disaster for the city of Anaheim and Angels fans.
Here's how he burnt $1 Billion
Chapters:
What are the Angels? 0:00
Peak of the Kingdom 0:50
King Arte Takes the Throne 3:05
Burning Money 5:48
Fallen Kingdom 12:50
False Hope 17:11
The Awful Years 20:22
Sources:
Cot’s Contracts
Baseball Reference / Stathead
FanGraphs
ESPN
MLB Trade Rumors
LA Times
Spotrac
Statmuse
The Baseball Cube
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@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
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@madmadmadworld9387
@madmadmadworld9387 Год назад
16, i used to work at a liquor store across from gene autry hotel, when the players would stay and spring train at the local stadium, right next to the high school.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@madmadmadworld9387 Did you ever meet any big time players?
@madmadmadworld9387
@madmadmadworld9387 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball i worked the register, yes, only guy i remember reggie jackson. remember eating in the bar at gene autry hotel with pops and watching the players, all polo'd out, sweaters on , get smashed and not get laid, they tried though. we would run through the dugouts and steal ..gloves , jackets..still have one angel jacket hanging in closet, very vintage looking.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes I apologize, I know I throw a lot of information out very quickly. It can be tough to pick everything up if you don’t already have a baseline understanding of Arte Moreno’s impact on baseball. Still glad you enjoyed the vid, though!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes yes, “the Los Angeles angels” is just “the the angels angels”
@LqdSanity79
@LqdSanity79 Год назад
I'm a life-long Cardinals fan and a Pujols fan but I was glad we didn't resign him back in 2011. He simply wasn't worth the money. When I heard what they were paying him, and for how long, I remember thinking "Good, let someone else ruin their team. Glad it wasn't us." We paid $14 million for his prime years and and won two World Series. The Angels were paying him $25-$30 million for a fraction of the output. And now we have him back at $2.5 million and he just hit his 700th HR. Part of being a good GM is knowing when to let a good player go.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I think the cardinals only offered up to 7 years if I remember correctly. They definitely didn’t want to get sunk by a bad deal, and this situation has played out basically perfect for Cards fans. No bad memories of Albert for y’all.
@Capsule71420
@Capsule71420 Год назад
Pujols single handedly finessed the Ångels.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@Capsule71420 Angels finessed their fans
@SuperSmashBrosKing33
@SuperSmashBrosKing33 Год назад
That’s cold
@LqdSanity79
@LqdSanity79 Год назад
@@SuperSmashBrosKing33 Pujols was definitely worth $30 million his first ten years, and the Cards got him at the bargain price of $14 mill. He simply wasn't worth that much the next ten years. If I was in his shoes, I would have absolutely signed with the Angels. HE did the right thing, and so did the Cardinals. The Angels, however, overpaid and got burned in the end.
@cedricrebullar3698
@cedricrebullar3698 Год назад
As a lifelong Angels fan, this is by far the best mini documentary I’ve ever watched.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
That means a lot to me, thanks for the support!
@Caper1144
@Caper1144 Год назад
BlueJays fan here. I totally forgot about the Vernon Wells trade. My god he sucked in Toronto for years. I remember thinking... "what are they thinking?" I was so glad the Jays got rid of him. Jays had a tighter budget then and I'd keep looking up his garbage contract every few weeks to remind myself how long I had to wait for for this monstrosity to expire. Still shocked Angels took him.
@VidaBlue317
@VidaBlue317 Год назад
The Anaheim Angels of California, Los Angeles
@GymnasticsCoach83
@GymnasticsCoach83 Год назад
@@VidaBlue317 LMAO yeah really haha. Might as well be. Still despise the name change YEARS later.
@MrJPar2
@MrJPar2 Год назад
Wasteful contracts to bartolo colon, gary matthews jr., vernon wells, yes even the great albert pujols got too much, hamilton, david freese and now anthony rendon have sunk this franchise. Hopefully this irresponsible confused adult-child Moreno goes away and they FINALLY rebuild and Ohtani & Trout gets into the playoffs for us
@jkelly86
@jkelly86 Год назад
I'm an Angels fan who had season tix 2004-2010, I was there for many great and horrifying moments during those years. The last 12 years have been simply abysmal and us Angels fans can't wait to move on from Arte. Hoping for brighter days ahead.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Hopefully the 2020s will be more like the 2000s than the 2010s
@calworthington4308
@calworthington4308 Год назад
@@tonyjt0151bayarearep just switch to the giants while we suck. We’ll be back
@jkelly86
@jkelly86 Год назад
@@tonyjt0151bayarearep I feel for the A’s fans, too. Lots of my friends are from the bay/grew up fans (great fans) and your owners are trash.
@encinobalboa
@encinobalboa Год назад
Arte has done nada except change the team name from Anaheim to Los Angeles.
@kylergoodson1961
@kylergoodson1961 Год назад
@@tonyjt0151bayarearep you guys are making me feel better being a mariners fan. Believe me i feel your pain, can't believe we never won with Griffey
@iamshevanel
@iamshevanel Год назад
Still convinced this all started when Kendrys Morales broke his leg on a walk off grand slam (I unfortunately, was in attendance that afternoon) in May 2010. To me, that was the nail in the coffin for the momentum the Angels carried into 2010 , after the "deep" run in '09. Great work on this video! Subbed.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Morales injury is one of the most brutal things ever. Really derailed his career, glad he won a ring with KC tho.
@MrLogistician
@MrLogistician Год назад
That reminds me of the Pittsburgh pirates 2011 season. They were tied for 1st in the NL central and a blown call by Jerry Meals cost them the game in the 19th inning. Their entire season AND THEIR NEXT SEASON both were crap after that one bad call on that play.
@SnobbyRobotMultimedia
@SnobbyRobotMultimedia Год назад
Ultimately that moment should’ve been a clue that it was time to rebuild. The Angels had lost so much talent from that ‘09 team that couldn’t be replaced. The lack of depth in seasons after that is tied into trading talent to plug holes rather than starting over.
@daygloman
@daygloman Год назад
I was at that game as well. The whole stadium stopped when it happened!
@daygloman
@daygloman Год назад
@@MrLogistician Meals is a POS umpire. I've NEVER understood the attraction MLB has with him?
@ra3975
@ra3975 Год назад
It feels so bad to be an Angels fan. It's like being married to someone that keeps relapsing into addiction or a compulsive liar.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
That's the reason I discussed them instead of the Pirates or Rockies. Those teams are just hopeless, but the Angels always have a reason to watch at the beginning of the season, just to have the same problems as always a few months in.
@daaaaabearss
@daaaaabearss Год назад
Hey, you leave Josh Hamilton out of this! 😂
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@daaaaabearss mannnnnn 😭😭
@c.garcia3737
@c.garcia3737 Год назад
I feel your pain stopped watching them because it hurts so bad
@randomkidonyoutube1617
@randomkidonyoutube1617 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball PROFIT FIRST OWNERS
@andrewclarke8630
@andrewclarke8630 Год назад
As an Anaheim resident born & raised - and longtime fan of the California & Anaheim Angels, Bravo, sir. Bravo.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
It seems I’m now the people’s champion of Anaheim
@RetroBaseball
@RetroBaseball Год назад
This is going to be 23 minutes of greatness.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Lets goooooooo
@itsmealex8959
@itsmealex8959 Год назад
I wish. It was oy 22:56 minutes of greatness ;(
@donlaney2837
@donlaney2837 Год назад
I've promised 23 minutes of greatness before and I didn't deliver
@NamesSimba
@NamesSimba Год назад
Thank you for this video, I’m an angels fan and this is all on Arte Moreno. He’s the dark angel for this franchise and I can’t wait for him to sell the team.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I had this vid planned before he announced the sale, I’m so glad there’s a light at the end of this tunnel now
@NamesSimba
@NamesSimba Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball I sure hope with a new owner the culture of the franchise is changed entirely for the better. I’ve known for years that Moreno cared more about the ticket sales and merchandise over the teams success. Some of these moves felt like it was him making these moves and not the GM. When Eppler lost out on Gerrit Cole in the 2019 offseason the rendon signing felt an act of desperation for his job. Every GM has felt like his puppet. Although I do some some light with a young up and coming rotation doing well, and emergence of a few young guys (ward and Rengifo). The team just needs to solidify a SS and add depth to the bullpen and position wise and hope things change for the better.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@NamesSimba couldn’t have said it better myself
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata Год назад
@@NamesSimba Yeah, my whole life has been witness to this slowly dying franchise and it sucks. When I was a kid, people mentioned the Angels alongside the Dodgers, Giants, and A's as the big teams in California. Now the Angels are just an afterthought and only known for Trout and Ohtani. It's sad, and I hope they can turn it around.
@johnpineda8478
@johnpineda8478 Год назад
A new owner isn't going to fix this many of the top free agents don't want to play for the angels most of them go to NY or Boston
@HSB81898
@HSB81898 Год назад
I'm a lifelong angels fan and I never considered this perspective, but after watching your video it makes a ton of sense. I never understood why Arte wouldn't spend big money on reliable pitchers, the thing the angels have desperately needed since the Weaver/Wilson era. But you found the missing puzzle piece - reliable bullpen arms don't sell jerseys.
@amazingkook143
@amazingkook143 Год назад
It looks like Arte Moreno is not selling the team, RIP Angels.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Unfortunately not
@mikayocc
@mikayocc Год назад
As an Angels fan and someone born/raised in OC, I thought I was dreaming when I woke up and the saw the news that Arte was selling. I pinched myself and slapped myself in the face just to make sure I wasn't dreaming. I still won't believe it until it actually happens, but I just really want Troutani in the playoffs. It PAINS me not to see 2 of the best living baseball players competing for a WS ring! Thank you for this video, and may the sale be completely SWIFTLY and to someone willing to spend $$$ to build a competitive team around Trout and Ohtani!!
@IvanYamilLopez
@IvanYamilLopez Год назад
Thank you for making me feel 23 minutes of pain. I wish your channel nothing but millions of subs.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks! And I wish the Angels a new owner who supports the city of Anaheim, is willing to spend, and doesn’t let his ego block smart baseball decision makers from doing their jobs.
@nicksatwr4538
@nicksatwr4538 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball it’s fine to only wnat to make money 99 percent of owners do the problem is he only cared about money and tryed to be his own gm
@nicksatwr4538
@nicksatwr4538 Год назад
If he acc let his front office do ther job they would be ok but he drafts players he sighs guys when it shoudl he gm
@nicksatwr4538
@nicksatwr4538 Год назад
And he refuses to spend over luxarry tax to make up for his mistakes
@nicksatwr4538
@nicksatwr4538 Год назад
So it’s liek he won’t let his front office do job makes teribble sighing and then refuses to go above 270 millon to make up for it
@BenDover4meplz
@BenDover4meplz Год назад
Being a Angels fan and seeing them win in 2002 gave me hope they could be a consistent winner. Now we are wasting Ohtani and Trout. Hopefully he sells the team to a person that cares about the sport instead of another Arte
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
If every sports owner cared about their sport, leagues would be so much better
@wiildn
@wiildn Год назад
Been saying this for years... though baseball is a business, it is more than that. But to Arte, it was *only* a business. Ironically I believe Ohtani wouldn't be in Anaheim (maybe even the MLB) if it wasn't for him; I wholeheartedly believe Arte made the deal to bring him over from Japan because he knew he could market the rare "two-way player" AND the excitement of Japanese players in MLB (I think the Angels were one of, if not the only team that was going to let Ohtani try to both pitch and hit everyday). Somehow, this ended up working perfectly for both Moreno and the sport as a whole. While I love that he has brought great names and excitement to the team, it's just disappointing year-in and year-out. I can't wait for him to sell the team. Unfortunately it'll take a while for the Angels to rebuild and free up some payroll from bad contracts but it's a necessity at this point. Feel bad for Trout as he will likely never win a ring, but on the bright side he's set for life and gets to live in a beautiful area. Though I love Ohtani and he's the reason I got back into baseball, I hope he doesn't choose the same route as Trout and chooses to go to a club that plays more than 162 games a year. edit- Forgot to mention how amazing the video was! You explained stuff I've had my theories about with full-blown math and not to mention great visuals and graphics. I was totally thrown off when I went to subscribe and you only had 1.6k subs- I felt like I watched a video made by a multi-million dollar company. Props dude!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Man I hope the Angels can have a quick turnaround to win with Trout and Ohtani, even if the odds are against them.
@OmegaTyrant
@OmegaTyrant Год назад
I believe the Mariners were also interested in letting Ohtani hit and pitch, but the Angels won out in the end, partly because they had the better outlook at the time and Ohtani wanted to play with Trout. Oh how Ohtani chose the wrong team...
@wiildn
@wiildn Год назад
@@OmegaTyrant True that he definitely chose the losing team in comparison to the Mariners, but can't say whether or not he would be the same hitter if he went to Seattle. I didn't know about him wanting to play with Trout, which obviously makes sense, but I imagine that he has learned a ton from him- whether it be from raw mechanics or even just telling Shohei how to approach different pitchers. IMO having Ohtani starting as a Mariner would put huge pressure on him to live up to Ichiro's career- whereas with the Angels, he got to join a club with Pujols and Trout (2 of the best players ever) and was actually given time to develop into an MVP caliber player under a lot less pressure.
@tootspogsforever5590
@tootspogsforever5590 Год назад
@@wiildn great analysis man😊
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
My bet? Shohei Ohtani will move and Mike Trout won’t. If the major contract extension is anything to go by, Trout values his team brand too much. That, and the money. Also the WAR inflation he gets by being on the team and the HOF’s love of a guy that sticks with one team forever. Ohtani, however, doesn’t care about any of that. He is incredibly frugal and also super self-confident. He doesn’t care about all the stuff baseball players usually seek. He just wants to win and collect all the records he can. And that will result in him moving to a more competitive team like the Astros or Yankees.
@Maizeandbluekid
@Maizeandbluekid Год назад
The usage of Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 starting at 13:49 was simply masterful in showing the Sisyphean tale of the Angels since the moment the Pujols and TV deals happened.
@mjfanatic42
@mjfanatic42 Год назад
lifelong angels fan here. you nailed every point us fans make. the worst thing that can happen now is moreno going back on his commitment to sell team. have a sub - hope you get more views.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m glad you enjoyed!
@the.seagull.35
@the.seagull.35 Год назад
I love seeing the Jon Bois influence on a new generation of youtube creators. Awesome work
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Easily my biggest influence.
@josephh7897
@josephh7897 Год назад
Brilliantly made good sir. Unique, well articulated, and intriguing for all 23 minutes. Looking forward to more of what you produce.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
@hillcaps
@hillcaps Год назад
This video just popped up on my recommended feed and im glad it did. Beautifully edited and researched, can’t to watch more of your vids!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@anewt72690
@anewt72690 Год назад
The sprint to the finish on this was WILD. Like, I remember these things happening over the years, but condensed into 23 minutes shows just how much of a horrible cascade it's been. Amazing journalism.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed!
@SolixTanaka
@SolixTanaka Год назад
Worth noting that Beltre's slash in Texas was monstrous .330/.383/.555 vs. a much more tepid .268/.323/.482 in Angels Stadium. Texas also had a much more potent offense to provide him protection in the lineup. It's really a mystery of whether he would be able to sustain the hitting numbers he was known for had he signed with the Angels, which played in a much more pitcher-friendly version of the park.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I think this is somewhat fair, but either way, he would’ve been a massive asset for the Angels. Fantastic defender and still a good hitter, even if not as great. As for the lineup protection, he was still a pretty damn good hitter as he approached 40 with a really weak rangers team around him.
@brucerorty4014
@brucerorty4014 10 месяцев назад
@@AndThatsBaseball The marine layer tamps down a lot of would-be home runs, turning them into long outs.
@OCRay1
@OCRay1 Год назад
Thank you! I’ve been saying since year 2 of his ownership how much Moreno has ruined the franchise, disrespected the fans and mistreated the employees including the players. SELL SELL SELL Moreno!!!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Most local fans were probably suspicious as soon as he changed the name of the team
@rubal7577
@rubal7577 Год назад
im just here to say your background music choice is top tier lmaooo best one ive ever seen
@getTheSchmack
@getTheSchmack Год назад
Love the Kendrick Playing in the background. Subscribed keep it up! Great vid also I never caught onto this
@Matt.gaming1
@Matt.gaming1 Год назад
Unbelievable video. Really answered all of the mysteries behind what has really gone on with the franchise.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@myplane150
@myplane150 Год назад
Very well done video. Well researched and nicely presented. How about a series of the best or worst stretches financially for each team. If that is too much, could you do a video of the McCourt days with the Dodgers for this huge Dodger fan? That would be really interesting to see. Thanks, and again, well done...☺
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I appreciate the suggestions, but I’m def gonna try to find some more positive stories in the near future. Don’t want my channel to be all doom and gloom. Thanks for watching!
@MrRen610
@MrRen610 Год назад
I have been waiting for a video just like this one for awhile and you hit it out of the park!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@winstonkostrzewa1585
@winstonkostrzewa1585 Год назад
Dope video. Glad folks look into baseball stuff like this. Keep ‘em coming
@NWOWCW4Life1
@NWOWCW4Life1 Год назад
Knew a little with the UTree video but man, this delved into more. Not a baseball guy but for this and cause I like documentary videos like these, I gotta do a sub. You’ve earned this one indeed.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Tree’s vid was def an inspiration, he’s actually the person who sent me the link to the old press conference that I used throughout the video, but I think actually adding up the money separates my point from his. I’m glad people think of his vid when they see this, but I’m also glad people don’t think I’m copying him or something. Thanks for watching and subbing!
@NWOWCW4Life1
@NWOWCW4Life1 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball Oh that’s awesome
@PodClips-4U
@PodClips-4U Год назад
This video was insane. I think in a few years there will be a documentary about this, and it would be awesome if they gave you some credit for your work.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m glad you liked it!
@vjekobasic7059
@vjekobasic7059 Год назад
Very impressed by the quality of the video, keep up the good work!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
@respect386
@respect386 Год назад
This video is absolutely incredible. Excellent job with this analysis. Subscribed!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed
@Ethan_Coble
@Ethan_Coble Год назад
Wow... only 4.4k subs... This might be the single handed best documentary style analysis of any team over the past few decades and their ownership... As a lifelong Angels fan... Thank you for this video. Earned my sub!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I was at 1.3 before this vid, 4.4 seems like a massive number to me right now. I’m grateful for all the new people this reached, and I’m glad you enjoyed!
@Dermenscha
@Dermenscha Год назад
I remember as a kid being so excited to go to Angels games throughout the 00s, the team wasn't always great, but there was a lot of ambiance and fun in the stadium. When I finally got back again in 2019, it was dismal, depressing, and I spent the entire game thinking "I could be watching this at home right now". Hoping the sale turns things around.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
The 2000s angels felt like an actual ball club, the 2010s and early 2020s teams are a few stars playing with a bunch of minor leaguers.
@kaushiknair3850
@kaushiknair3850 Год назад
excellent video bro, i was hooked the entire time. great research and storytelling
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@melioda9554
@melioda9554 Год назад
The fact alone you have Marvin Gayes "I Want You" playing in the background is hilarious and earned me subscribing!
@basballer182
@basballer182 Год назад
Your channel is amazing man. You're gonna be up there in subscribers and influence with channels like baseball doesn't exist and foolish baseball in no time. It's so great to see amazing baseball content creators popping up left and right. Keep it up.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I appreciate that, that’s high praise!
@Coldstonesteveaustin
@Coldstonesteveaustin Год назад
As bad as the last 20 years were for the angels I feel with the new ownership around the corner we have some hope
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
It all depends on the new owner. If they're willing to spend and invest in the minor league system, development, and front office personnel, good things will happen.
@hubaldotorres4841
@hubaldotorres4841 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball if Steve Ballmer purchased the Angels, Angels will be competing for the playoffs every year
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@hubaldotorres4841 That would be an interesting one, would be 100x better than Arte
@b.a2102
@b.a2102 Год назад
First video I’ve seen of yours but incredibly well done!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@dontknowdocare
@dontknowdocare Год назад
Well edited and put together video. I got pointed to this by a fellow Angels fan, I hope the algorithm picks you up one day! Great work!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Love all the angels fans for supporting this vid!
@dekafumo9233
@dekafumo9233 Год назад
ive been a fan of the angels since i was 4 and always rooted for them, and realized when i was 12 how terrible arte is and now im about to be 20 and still a fan having hope for the team's success, now im in relief that he's selling the team and now i can see a brighter future for anaheim, i will call them anaheim angels till im dead
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad that you finally have something to look forward to with this team now that he’s selling
@LordBurger
@LordBurger Год назад
love the style tribute to jon bois. need more of this style from yt
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Easily my biggest inspiration. Some of my vids are actual rip offs of him, I feel like this one is more of my own style but still with clear influence.
@LordBurger
@LordBurger Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball this definitely is your own video and should be treated that way. and thats a great thing too 💪
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed!
@anyceeee780
@anyceeee780 Год назад
This is a great channel you got going on keep them videos coming
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
@Bupman2
@Bupman2 Год назад
Holy Jon Bois! This is a great video! Love the soundtrack as well
@LOTUSELISE340R
@LOTUSELISE340R Год назад
Have always complained openly to my friends how one team can spend SOO much on so few players be so consistently terrible. This was fantastic. Excellent work!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@nickcole1800
@nickcole1800 Год назад
I love this educational baseball video. I always wondered why the Angels were so bad even with their big signings. You gained a subscriber!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m glad you enjoyed!
@joshprice7527
@joshprice7527 Год назад
i loved this video it gave me secret base vibes! im happy i found your channel
@thunderstruck560
@thunderstruck560 Год назад
I always love finding new baseballtubers. This is great work and I'm excited to see more!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed
@LoveLawWill
@LoveLawWill Год назад
The thing about Arte is that this is exactly what the business plan was. Spend money to make money, spend money on the brand and the image, then sell the franchise for 10 times what you bought it for. This is the blueprint for team ownership. How does it always happen? We keep blindly supporting these nut job billionaires because of our loyalty to the brand, uh, I mean, team. How many comments say "As a life-long Angels/Cardinals/whichever team fan..."? I asked a drug dealer once when he was gonna stop selling drugs. The answer: when people stop buying them.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
It’s so tough to tell sports fans to stop supporting their teams. It’s an inherently emotional industry, and people like Arte take advantage of that.
@thegamingpigeon3216
@thegamingpigeon3216 10 месяцев назад
Also something you didn't mention: MORENO pushed for his gm to acquire Vernon Wells because he personally liked him.
@qshot9848
@qshot9848 9 месяцев назад
And that’s the terrifying thing to look at. Before Minasian, he may have been waaayyy more hands on than what we may ever truly know especially with Eppler and Dipoto who may have been GM in Name Only while he forced them to cater to his wants, kinda like a certain former NFL Team Owner…..
@foxtrot64
@foxtrot64 8 месяцев назад
As a lifelong Angels fan, I can honestly say that Arte Moreno is the worst thing to ever happen to the Angels.
@stevenschmidt4441
@stevenschmidt4441 10 месяцев назад
im a mets fan and that morales slam mistake broke my frucking heart man. my second favorite team is the angels i pray every year for a mets vs angels world series!
@JoeWayne84
@JoeWayne84 Год назад
Holy shit he broke his leg on a walk off grand slam … went from the best day of his life to the worst day of his life instantly.. man that’s so crazy
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Heartbreaking
@GymnasticsCoach83
@GymnasticsCoach83 8 месяцев назад
I came back to this video almost a year later, and can say...this video is still valid to this day as I type this--in fact, even more so than ever.
@markmaley7426
@markmaley7426 Год назад
Bro can we talk about the incredible music you’re putting on these baseball vids…. Huit Octobre 1971 is a deep cut mad respect
@robmarino314
@robmarino314 Год назад
Angels 2002 Wild Card World Series Champions were a special combination of ball players that peaked at the right time. That kind of chemistry is very rare, I'm glad I got to see it!
@THE_BEAR_JEW
@THE_BEAR_JEW Год назад
Same I lived by the Crystal Cathedral just around the corner of Edison field during those years and I’m glad I got to enjoy the Angels and Ducks winning chips. Those were great times.
@SmoothCriminal12
@SmoothCriminal12 Год назад
I dont see a ton of people talk about how deadly that bullpen was during that run. K-Rod, Percival and Donnelly were unbelievable. And they needed them with how inexperienced their starters were.
@kyleanderson512
@kyleanderson512 Год назад
i really hope new ownership can turn this franchise around, us Angel fans are as loyal as they come and we deserve bettwr
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m rooting for y’all!
@hubaldotorres4841
@hubaldotorres4841 Год назад
Steve Ballmer buying the Angels will make sense but that’s just my idea 💡.
@michaelschwan5243
@michaelschwan5243 Год назад
The title of this video pissed me off immensely but the comments made me watch it, and it's actually a great recap of the last 20ish Angel years.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Then both of my goals have been met. This shit should piss off any angels fans and baseball fans in general
@michaelschwan5243
@michaelschwan5243 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball I've watched the last 30 years of Angels baseball, already there, dude. 🤣
@forzendikar9908
@forzendikar9908 Год назад
Returning fan to the game, great video. I learned a lot!
@stevenschmidt4441
@stevenschmidt4441 10 месяцев назад
great research man really good loved this video!
@mickmebeify
@mickmebeify Год назад
Amazing review. It sucks to be an angels fan because it hurts yearly.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m certainly rooting for you guys to turn it around
@spraynpray
@spraynpray Год назад
I've been complaining about the Angels free agent signings and telling Angels fans their ownership is killing their team. They've mostly been in agreement. When Moreno decided to sell, stories like these have been put together. You did a great job. They always have the one or two biggest names, and play .500 baseball.
@jesusquicksaves
@jesusquicksaves Год назад
Subscribed. Amazing content
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
@sportsking6399
@sportsking6399 10 месяцев назад
Great video and trip down memory lane
@volt734
@volt734 Год назад
I don't watch Baseball but I watch a decent amount of baseball content on RU-vid and this was great, some of the editing reminded me of Jon Bois and chart party which was cool. Really hope you take off, you have the quality of video deserving of it
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, I really appreciate it!
@tbird8166
@tbird8166 Год назад
As a giants fan I noticed in your graph that in terms of ratio of money spent to burnt, the giants are pretty bad in this era yet I notice a lot of it comes around the start of their WS wins. Are they contracts that were good in the short term but they paid for after 2014 or was it a bunch of poor pieces we didn’t really use.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Zito single handedly skewed their numbers a bunch but I’d have to go back and check the data to see which other bad deals they signed
@tbird8166
@tbird8166 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseballyeah I’m looking at it and it’s almost entirely Zito with second place Cueto not even being half. I’m just even more impressed with that dynasty after looking at these numbers since whatever we bought we overpaid for. The championships were pretty much entirely homegrown.
@joePARKS
@joePARKS Год назад
This is SPECTACULAR work - well done 👊🏽
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@treyb387
@treyb387 9 месяцев назад
It's always frustrating when you realize that greed ruins sports and the teams you love
@karsonmapes
@karsonmapes Год назад
wow this was super eye opening, i knew they had a myriad of bad contracts but I guess I wasn’t keeping score. when you run through all of them over the years it is quite astonishing
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
It really adds up, especially 2012-13
@jamesweldon8118
@jamesweldon8118 Год назад
Your channel is gonna blow up with bangers like this
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I sure hope so lol, thanks for the support!
@GhettoGamestop
@GhettoGamestop Год назад
Great video man!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@JoshMeadows
@JoshMeadows Год назад
you’re just gonna blow up one day man I thought you had 100 K plus subs when I saw a video a few weeks ago you’re on the way man don’t give up
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks man, it really means a lot
@petuniasevan
@petuniasevan 7 месяцев назад
I don't hate Arte Moreno. Hating someone takes personal knowledge. I wouldn't know him from Adam on the street. I DESPISE Arte Moreno. For all he's done to destroy the Angels, their fans' hopes, the careers of star players, and the fact that he WILL NOT SELL like he said he would. Go to hell, Arte.
@iwantitall21
@iwantitall21 Год назад
Only thing missing from this was the curse of Nick Adenhart
@LULUThaCannon
@LULUThaCannon Год назад
Here before your millionth sub ❤️ great video!!!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks! I appreciate the kind words
@geck0milk
@geck0milk Год назад
I don't like baseball, so you making me watch an entire video about it is truly impressive. Kudos to you sir.
@rileymartin7193
@rileymartin7193 Год назад
Coming from an angels fan, it's awful. To make matters worse, he doesn't even show up to games anymore. He hasn't gone to a single home game all year
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Hey, that last part seems like a good thing to me. The more distance he puts between himself and the team, the better for the fans.
@solitude7566
@solitude7566 Год назад
I remember reading years ago that he was having a lot of negative responses from fans (I wonder why!) so it's not surprising. He has probably been thinking of selling the team for some time now.
@ryanc473
@ryanc473 6 месяцев назад
Apparently Arte is no longer selling... That makes me very sad as a lifelong angel's fan... Very sad indeed...
@DTMJR1987
@DTMJR1987 Год назад
Amazing vidya, earned a sub 🎉
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m glad you enjoyed!
@marbury77
@marbury77 Год назад
This video was awesome! Needs a part two maybe on how the angels can get back to winning on the field again! Great stuff. Long time angels fan here.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
A couple years from now, if they've turned it around, I'll def look back and evaluate how things changed.
@tagchristopher
@tagchristopher Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball it all started when Lacob bought the Angels 😊🫡
@ra3975
@ra3975 Год назад
I don't see the angels even begin to rebuild until they trade Trout and Ohtani. Yes Arte screwed them so bad they need to trade the best 2 players of our generation to start to be competitive again. I'm crying inside.
@kevinw.5149
@kevinw.5149 Год назад
Having the 2 best players on your team and sucking this bad should be a crime, no surprises the FBI were onto him.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Absolutely mind boggling to have two guys who are this good and not even threaten for a third wild card spot
@aaronware8880
@aaronware8880 6 месяцев назад
More and more I am starting to completely respect the old GM Bill Stoneman. He never made crazy moves. It didn't matter what player it was
@sarahgomez9727
@sarahgomez9727 Год назад
Thanks for making a very well made video. This is my first time watching your channel and going to sub. I have been Angel's fan since the days of Vlad. I been watching this year very closely on stuff, I feel we are about to get a crazy new era and the one with Moreano was not fun. I have remembered all those years when JB Shuck, Cj Cron, Wilson, David Freeze, Eric, Hunter, and etc and always thought why are they not that good even with this much money spent and good enough players to support other amazing players. This off season is I have no clue who will get the Angel's since many want him, but we should he careful since many could destroy this team even worse in instant. Also, I have a theory that another team may just trade off Ohtani or let him go for nothing depending if they are realted to another team. Also, this next theory may be the one I give a 45% chance happening is that if the Yankess don't sign Judge he may come the to the Angel's since this year from two reporters there have been reports of people wanting him. So many Yankess fans come to Angles stadium that it sells out easily. For me I always wanted Judge and Trout on the same team and when Ohtani came along I was like wowww. I don't think we are out of the chaos yet and this off season may determine it, I do like the progress with the Angel's getting better right now and certain players playing more and being used in limited capacity since many can't be in for too long. However, this is the Angel's and as my father said, we wait to buy season seats if they are good after middle season. Hope that Judge theory allows you to keep on eye if he hints the Angel's since some signs may point to it.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I'm certainly hoping the Angels luck turns around in the next few years, but as a Yankees fan, I won't allow Judge to leave here. I hope you understand. Thanks for watching and subscribing, though!
@sarahgomez9727
@sarahgomez9727 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball No problem, I think you shouldn't allow it, but for me if he comes many Yankess fans here won't mind. Also, if you're able within the future, I would love the most in depth look at every Angel's player since Moreano rain and see who has done the best money wise and should stay, leave, given a chance, should change their role to otching like Jack Mayfeild should try with his Kunckle Ball since Angel's have nothing to lose, and seeing through trades. To be honest if you would do this and see the very underlining issues of why the Angel's lost to each year, especially just this year since I suspect certain injuries played a part. I would say this would be the most in depth look at the Angel's ever. This may be too much to ask, but will ask any ways since I always wanted this question answered since I believe it's many answers each year but, for example Moreano is one peoce puzzle that stayed with most the issues causing others to happen. Thanks again and for the quick reply and hope this idea could give an idea of maybe a mega video on every Angel's player with Moreano time. Have good day.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I appreciate the suggestion, but I think I said all I’ve wanted to say about this team. Breaking down every single move a team makes isn’t really fair, sometimes bad luck just happens. I think I highlighted the trends that have caused this team to be so bad, though.
@sarahgomez9727
@sarahgomez9727 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball No problem, thanks for the video and your thoughts, I still think it's one of the best seen on the team like Urinating Tree. Have a good day and keep up more of the interesting and thought out videos.
@coachs8635
@coachs8635 Год назад
As someone who worked in this organization I’m very excited for everyone to see how poorly the high ups have been running this team.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I didn’t even talk about how poorly they treat their minor leaguers, I can only imagine how they treated their non-player employees.
@coachs8635
@coachs8635 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball historically one of the smallest front offices in American sports. A lot of over worked people with high turn over
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Classic. Why would they spend on their front office? Nobody buys a front office jersey.
@coachs8635
@coachs8635 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball that’s why the marketing never changes they don’t hire good people
@coachs8635
@coachs8635 Год назад
I’d also like to mention that the angels likely along with all teams has been lying about their attendance records for over a decade
@peganawanopeganawano1803
@peganawanopeganawano1803 Год назад
i don’t like videos like these as an angels fan but it’s a great video, i like how you acknowledge this is largely arte and higher ups’ fault
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, a lot needs to change for this team to turn around.
@MrJPar2
@MrJPar2 Год назад
youtubers can save the world from corrupt media. this video is a godsent
@adameblond3287
@adameblond3287 Год назад
Superb background music choice 👌🏽
@enthusiastofcute
@enthusiastofcute Год назад
I hope your Chanel gets more attention this is great stuff
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Me too, thanks for the support!
@gothenmosph5151
@gothenmosph5151 Год назад
Gotta say that as a Cardinals fan there was a lot of schadenfreude I've been able to enjoy over these years after they signed Pujols. Of course it turned out to be great for the Cardinals but I still enjoyed seeing them struggle. Pujols has done amazing work for the Cardinals this year and it makes me wonder what he thinks about his days in Anaheim. Eventually I got over it and now it's just sad. Trout has been to three playoff games his whole career, THREE. It's just a travesty at this point. Then you add Ohtani into the mix and it's so hard to imagine how they still suck so badly with their payroll. I hope their new owner gets them to the playoffs because Trout isn't getting any younger and Ohtani is only under contract one more year.
@bretthutchison9245
@bretthutchison9245 Год назад
Fantastic video. Very insightful
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed
@cpta03
@cpta03 Год назад
Excellent video. The math was interesting but gave me a headache. I’m not an Angels fan , but I have been puzzled by their free agent signings. You’ve answered a lot of my questions. Unfortunately, baseball is a business and many businesses spend more money on marketing than product development.
@raimarulightning
@raimarulightning Год назад
This is why, if you love something, you should never, ever sell it to a businessman. They ruin everything
@mattmapati6582
@mattmapati6582 Год назад
Love the vid man, you and Urinating tree cover all the Angels problems are spot on. Trout and Ohtani deserve better.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Tree’s vid is so good and it definitely inspired this one. It’s just crazy how much more has happened in the year since his vid came out
@mattmapati6582
@mattmapati6582 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball for real
@stulog
@stulog Год назад
As a Mariners' fan, I didn't conciously realize how many players/personel we've gotten from there Angels over the last decade or so
@Mr.Jtea3
@Mr.Jtea3 Год назад
Great video. Great channel !
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
@dosaa6062
@dosaa6062 Год назад
awesome video! thank you for exposing this menace
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m glad I could let at least a few people know what an awful guy he is
@curtiswilliams236
@curtiswilliams236 Год назад
As a lifelong Angels 😇 fan this video hurts. But it's the truth. I'm just glad I was able to see us win a World Series in 2002. But yeah Arte is a terrible owner. Well researched and well produced video. I hope you get many more followers it's well deserved.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m glad you enjoyed!
@peterbristol5604
@peterbristol5604 Год назад
Your breaking my heart, sincerely a die hard Oakland athletics fan
@joshs_stocks
@joshs_stocks Год назад
I did my Senior Honors Thesis on this topic a year and a half ago, pretty fascinating
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m sure your paper is great, but that’s from before the FBI got involved, so it’s not even peak absurdity of this team lmaooo
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