In which I praise one of the most popular and enduring serials in Classic Doctor Who, OMGERR SPICY HOT TAKE!!! / stubagful Freesound.org: cmu sound design - footsteps tommcann - explosion inspector j - Vacuum cleaner
-Why is there smoke coming out of your oven, Davros? -Uh... ooh! That isn’t smoke, it’s radiation. Radiation from the giant mutant clams we’re having. Mmm, giant mutant clams!
I've never heard the expression "Giant Clams" before. No, uh, it's a regional dialect. Oh, really? Because we're both from Skaro and I've never heard that expression before. Oh, not from around here no, it's a Darren expression.
@@stevebishop9468 i bet you also say that black lives matter are the real racists because they make white people feel bad. youre an idiot. anitfa are anti-facist; its in the name. if youre seriously attacking a group whose only goal is to dismantle fascism then you need to reevalute your worldview.
@@TomuDesuKa "its in the name." National Socialists. Democratic Republic of North Korea. Just because it's in the name doesn't mean it's accurate. ANTIFA use anti-democratic methods (intimidation, political violence, destruction of property, terrorism) against targets who frequently are _not_ fascists. Fact is, there just aren't many fascists around. So instead they target conservatives and liberals.
The Time Lords: We want you to prevent the creation of the Daleks. Also the Time Lords: *Send the Doctor back to a point after the Daleks have already been created.*
Probably because barely any records exist of the Kaled/Thal war so it was probably hard for them to gather information on the precise details leading up to their creation
Retro Rich Skaro’s history may have been in the pre time for all we know which is a part of history that is forbidden for Timelords to go to (newer TARDIS models even prevented travel there altogether) and the time period from Genesis of the Daleks was the latest that they could access. Also this was an off the books operation so the CIA probably would’ve wanted to have dedicated as little resources to this as possible to prevent word getting out
Michael Wisher was always one of those background character actor regulars on dr who. But can you just imagine, one minute your a secondary character in carnival of monsters and voicing a dalek or two, but then you go on to play one of the most iconic characters of the show, but then in revenge of the cybermen, you go back to playing one of the background characters on the gold planet Voga like nothing happened.
I love how he was the voice of the Daleks and when Davros gets angry he slips into the Dalek voice. It really shows you how close Davros is to his creations.
This is maybe a really obvious thing to point out, but I always appreciated how Genesis is basically a prequel to all other Dalek stories, but it avoids a lot of prequel problems by having the current Doctor time-traveled into it. It's a rare case of the classic series using time travel for more than just getting to the setting because the Doctor's and the audience's shared foreknowledge about the Daleks is crucial to the story.
They should have done that more, they did it in spare parts the big finish story where they go back to the origins of the cybermen and it's a prequel of the cybermen stories, it's also really good and a lot of people seem to like it as much as genesis of the daleks, it is a really good story and really creepy
What people tend to forget is that Michael Wisher was the voice of the Daleks in the Pertwee episode "Death to the Daleks", so in a very real way Davros was giving voice to the mindset that gave rise to the Daleks. An apt symbolism. I do wish he was a one serial character. Davros afterwards never klicked with the same resonance ever since.
I have really enjoyed Davros' appearances in the new series, but I think that Genesis should've been his one and only appearance in the entire show. The fact that he made the Daleks so evil, so utterly without compassion, so unwilling to accept orders from anyone, and so single-minded in their pursuit to destroy all non-Dalek life, that it ultimately resulted in the inevitable conclusion of them killing him just feels like the perfect ironic death for him
Agreed, although once they'd let the genie out of the bottle I guess it was hard to put it back. It's much easier to write for a character like Davros than the rather limited Daleks.
If they made some effort, having a couple of unique Daleks take Davros's place would be easy enough. It would make the race more interesting as well, to my mind.
Agreed. Davros has not been served well since his first appearance. The character’s story was told and brought to its proper conclusion. Wisher’s final scene was perfection. Keeping him on certainly diminished the Daleks in their 80s appearances.
If anything the only way Davros would have worked was prequel stuff like I, Davros. That is if we were serious with having him not appear after Genesis.
I always assumed that the peaceful "Thals," we see in, "The Daleks," are descended from the surviving Kaleds AND Thals we see here. This means they finally end up finding a way to live together peacefully. Over time they forget that they were on opposite sides and only remember themselves as one people, with the Dals (daleks) as the enemy.
I mean yeah, Genesis is just that good. I was afraid I was just nostalgic for it, I was one of those who's first episode was Genesis, but thankfully it holds up and then some. Plus I think we can all agree this is one of the few, if not the only, Doctor Who 6 parter with good pacing
I applaud you for not succumbing to the urge to compare Kaled society not only to the Third Reich, but also to current events on my side of the pond. Especially the bit about how it's easy for a nation to gradually slip into fascism, as a significant portion of the population barely notices, and then ultimately supports it, not realizing what it is they're supporting. "Speaking of fascism and Nazis..."
He didn't need to did he, because it was a stone cold certainty that some dumb ass would do it in the comments section. ......... And you did, didn't you. Lol
@@PeterCamberwick Yes, that's right. I'm a dumbass. Good for you for pointing it out. What a wonderful display of moral as well as intellectual superiority you've demonstrated with your impeccably astute use of name-calling. Bravo! :-)
I will say the recurrent theme of both sides on Skaro eventually resorting to whatever means to wipe out the the other side (including the death of unaffiliated third parties) with the Doctor in the middle trying desperately to save lives and having eventually to make the choice of potential genocide is a rather effective unintentional foreshadowing of what the Time War will become. In that sense it makes for an interesting parallel of the Doctor and Davros having both chosen (for entirely different reasons) to have wiped out their own people during their respective long wars.
My first Classic Serial was An Unearthly Child. Cause in HMV in 2011 I didn't know much about Classic Who, so I just bought "The Beginning", as well as Battlefield, to get a sense of the beginning and end of the era.
Speaking of Terry Nation, what are your thoughts on Blake's Seven? It may have had a shorter shelf-life that Doctor Who but I thought it was one of the greatest sci-fi shows of all time!
One thing that really holds me back from this episode is that the Kaleds just look like Humans. I understand that the Thals do as well, but the Thals were in the Daleks' first episode as well, that's consistent. I'd be fine with this if the two of them weren't explicitly stated to be different species.
My first Classic Who serial was “The Chase.” Fell in love with the old show from there. My first New Who was “Tooth and Claw” and my first Big Finish was “Sword of Orion.” Same story
Just before the daleks shoot him, Davros makes it to the destruct button and extends his hand to press it. He has sufficient time but, even now at the end, he hesitates. He can't bring himself to destroy his lifes work...
This was my first classic who story, I was a nuwho viewer, a huge Tennant fan, my dad grew up with Tom and he saw this and said “it’s got Daleks, and Tom Baker! We need to buy it!” So we did, I couldn’t be older than about 6 or 7 at the time but it’s a memory I’ll always cherish for that connecting moment with my dad, as we don’t have a whole lot in common, it’s really special to me, and it’s a great story too to boot
It says something when this story is so amazing, despite the fact the title monsters isn’t even in the story for a couple minutes. God this is such an amazing episode
I love the videos where you talk about the stuff you love. Your positive DW reviews, Bojack and Rick and Morty videos are some of my all time favourites
When this was first shown here on PBS in Milwaukee, sometime in the late 70s, early 80s, this was the story that got me hooked on Doctor Who as a kid. It's still my favorite to this day and I wish this was Davros's only appearance as Micheal Wisher nailed it so well here. Great stuff!
Great review of an undoubtedly classic Doctor Who story. I can clearly remember this story on its original broadcast in the 70s and it was shocking and absolutely gripping. My first Doctor Who story was Spearhead from Space on its original broadcast way back in 1970 and the Autons absolutely terrified me.
Coincidentally (as I mentioned in a reply in another video) I watched it full today after getting it and some other classic who stories on DVD yesterday and the giant clams appear earlier than I thought they did and the wasteland was quite underutilised generally (possibly because I recently listened to I, Davros and therefore my imagination went well beyond anything from Doctor Who's budget in the 1970s).
The first classic Who story I saw as a kid was actually very random. It was "The Creature from the Pit". Hehe. It was a while before the PBS station I was watching Doctor Who on got back to Genesis, but it was gripping stuff when I did see it.
Man, this is an amazing video. I watched this high and it's made me appreciate the way you explain your opinions on this so much. I want to rewatch Genesis right now, do you consider it one of the greatest science fiction stories of all time? Over Owell, Welles and all else?
Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV is an excellent piece of Television, I'm surprised that you are one of the only RU-vidrs talking about that magnificent series. Fantastic acting, model effects, an absolute flawless storyline, it's just brilliant.
I would’ve really liked to see Jon Pertwee during this.. I Love Tom Baker already but Pertwee had something on him that made his doctor work. I would’ve loved to see his take during the scenes with Davros and later on when he was forced to tell him about the failure of the Daleks!
I can’t actually remember what my first Classic Who serial was, but I think it may have been _Remembrance of the Daleks_ back in the brief period of time when Netflix had a few Classic Who serials (which I believe was around the time they launched in the UK).
Yes - Guy Siner played Lieutenant Grüber. Also, the Thal guard who threatens to drop Sarah Jane from the scaffolding is Hilary Minster, who played General von Klinkerhoffen in the same show.
A great story and performances from all the cast. The only problem I have with it is a bit slow around episode 3/4 and the Daleks not having the original silver and blue paint.
9/10… I was bored and even annoyed by the Daleks during the last few serials they were on coz the plot wasn’t good and the Daleks annoying and even unneeded. But this one here really brought the excitement and fire back these Daleks needed. The design, the plot, the cast. Everything was on point. The origin of the Daleks and the introduction of their planet Skaro was really fascinating. OFC this mission came from The Time Lords lol What was really got me going and excited was the introduction of Davros! His setting, looks and characterization was frightening and really well written! He is definitely one of the best villains like everyone else was claiming before I started my DW watch. I’m on my first time watch of DW 1963 and now here. I was upset that Harry wasn’t more involved even though he did kinda saved the Doctor three times and had a lot to do in the first episode. Sarah Jane had a lot more to do. I was shocked about how brutal this serial was and people acted like we never had so much before which isn’t quite true. Especially during the Hartnell era there were a few heavy serials with a lot of moral and brutal outcome of it. But this one here was really something else in a good way! I was shocked that Sarah Jane’s escape plan did cost a few people their lives! The 4th Doctor was right not to kill off the Daleks! Because even with erhielt evilness something good will emerge and come out of it. Look how many people fought together, built a new society after their heavy encounters with them. I do think sometimes bad things have to happen to let you grow and become better. I was so positive surprised that they even brought up old encounters with the Daleks! Great twist at the end that they gained a will of their own and turned on Davros!
I'm one of those weirdos that actually watches the entirety of Classic Who in chronologicial order and exactly when I reached Genesis Of The Daleks, your Video went up...this is a weird fucking coincedence xD Anyway, don't have a hot take either, Genesis is really freaking good in Terms of... everything really: Worldbuilding, Pacing, Side Cast, Main Villain, TARDIS Team, themes, plottwists and it got some big teeth behind it. That Moment when Sarah Jane and the others get shot while climbing the tower and almost everyone Drops dead, Sarah not being able to move because of the Horror she is vitnessing and then only to Fall down right at the Cliffhanger... Fun for the entire family amirite ? :D Dx
I wonder if there has been anything written about the Timelords deciding to send the Doctor on this mission. If I were at Big Finish, trying to make repairs to canon, then I would think it would make sense for the Timelords to send a younger version of the Doctor who's known to be a rogue to get rid of the Daleks when they get desperate to get out of the Time War and feign ignorance in the timeline where the war never happened.
basically whatever's on my mind. I mentioned genesis in a series 12 review and ended up wanting to do a video on it. I feel like doing destiny at some point. basically whatever i feel like
@@StubagfulCool. While I'm here, have you ever heard of/listened to the Magnus Archives? You don't have to do a video on it, just think you might enjoy it.
Conventional reading is that the attempt to avert the creation of the Daleks was the first shot in the Great Time War simply because this story came before others. However in a war in which Time is a weapon, cause and effect go out of the window. I theorise that the Time Lords discovered that the Daleks had planned to send a duplicate Doctor with his duplicate companions back to Gallifrey to assassinate the High Council (Resurrection of the Daleks). The CIA would have kept a close eye on what the Doctor was doing and it was shown in Trial of a Time Lord that his Tardis was 'bugged' at some point. This would have forced them to consider the possibility of a future where the Daleks had become the dominant species and destroyed all others which in turn would lead them to conclude that it might be better for all concerned (including them) that the Daleks either never existed or evolved into less aggressive creatures. Perhaps it is easier to consider that the actions of the Daleks in planning an attack on the High Council and Gallifrey pushed the Time Lords into reacting. In a similar way the actions of Germany triggered a reaction from GB in WWI and WWII. I also wonder if the actions of the Time Lords in sending the Fourth Doctor to Skaro - where he in fact revealed the future horrors of the Dalek conquests, they changed history to such an extent that the Doctor's first meeting with them - when he knew nothing about the Daleks or Skaro never actually happened: that if they had left well alone Ronson and the others who were concerned about the direction of Davros' research, would have succeeded in changing that direction -leading to the far less powerful creatures (who could not leave their city) we saw with the first Doctor. It might account for the change in them when they first invaded Earth. It was not that they were an earlier version of the Daleks, history was being rewritten.
My first Classic Who story was in fact the TV Movie. Then random and out of order First and Second Doctor serial repeats. 3rd to 5th Doctor are largely unknown to me.
Alright, everyone: Should he have done it? He totally should have, right? Shame the Time Lords didn't sent in like the First Doctor or the Seventh, they totally would have, no questions asked.
genesis is so good I've got a review of it on my Instagram (whovian reviews) is there a possibility you could do a review of the caves of androzani it's my personal favourite classic story
I despise how this is the last we’ve seen the Thals on tv. Surely there should have been a mention of them during the Time War. What did the Daleks finally wipe them all out?
Here's something I find interesting: destiny of the Daleks doesn't add up to the events of their first appearance with the first doctor. Their city's in ruins, they come off more robotic, genesis definitely changed their fate. I never understood what happened then to the original timeline. Did it still happen as we know it, or is there an alternate timeline because of genesis's meddling?
Neon Genesis Evangelion is such a weird beast. You'll either love it for it's experimentation, or find it to be a pretentious incoherent mess. I'm somewhat in the latter, although I do respect it and I do love characters like Misato. I'd say that it's a bit too heavy, and recommend for something lighter but still has philosophical questions and requires analysis, like Fullmetal Alchemist 2003/Brotherhood.
@@englishgiraffe2124 I am watching the show on Netflix, but in it's original Japanese language. I heard the English dub was quite controversial, so I'll use the original translation when necessary. I'm on Episode 16, which is where the complex introspection supposedly kicks in. I found myself relating really well to Shinji's character and his struggle to overcome his shyness and find proper love. I found the character of Asuka to be quite annoying though. I was annoyed every time she got triggered over little things
@@verv5737 I already researched about the changes they made, and honestly, I'm not bothered by most of them. I'm still playing along with the story regardless
Honeslty, almost nothing has ever come close to emotionally effecting me on the same level that end of evangelion (movie version) has. I've watched it like 20 times now and a still can't get through it without bursting into tears at a few points.
Apparently, Genesis of the Daleks is now ruined because the official Doctor Who RU-vid channel made a 44 minute best moments video. The low bar of shitty Doctor Who takes I've seen on Twitter is alarmedly big.
