Healing Still Sucks in Dragonflight - Hope for The War Within 

that rolling 23 stacks of bursting clip is the most insane healing clip ive ever seen LMAO

Reminds me of the “stack clerics and spam Complete Heal” meta from EverQuest 20 years ago

I off spec healed a little during season 1 and found it to be pretty miserable. My job in raid was basically to wait for like 5 min then press all my cds when it was my turn. Everything outside of that was like "eh, do stuff if you want to but you're really just wasting mana"

the deep breath before the video starts says everything

feel like it went from slands disc sending every healer afk with spirit shell ramps to every healer having their own bs version of it and fighting each other for hps on the meters. Im seeing healers go oom in farm to try to outsnipe each other

I don't like the binary nature of the current health pools, where you either are at max, or you are susceptible to dying in the next random melee swing or mistake. Health isn't really a resource, which is should be for healing to be meaningful. There are usually few to no triage decisions to be made right now, especially as you increase content difficulty. The other problem is stemming from the talent trees. There's simply too little mutual exclusivity in a lot of the trees, and you are able to grab a lot of things which can stack in power. Some specializations had to make some tough choices in SL between several strong talents, whereas in DF, they can get them all. Other specializations were more or less locked in for a specific talent, with the others being very lackluster. When taken together, the variance in power skyrockets and creates a lot of unbalance. An insane amount of Shadowlands systems and legendaries were thrown in there as well. The end result: Mistweaver gets into DF with one major cooldown, whereas many other healers had access to 3-4. We are in dire need of nerfs across the board, so we can adjust the damage intake to be lower as well. This will also make healing checks far more interesting.

40 Rejuvs is usually a post-flourish thing when your rejuvs are ticking under once a second.. And it's been in/out of the game during blood lust since legion, but the fact that you can even high-roll into it outide of lust last patch was pretty ridiculous. But now flourish has taken like a 70% nerf, which is far ahead of other cooldowns because blizz just couldn't figure out how to stop slapping tick rate modifiers onto the spec for a year straight (making photo a viable path was probably the worst offender). Yeah though mana is just not really fun as it is. I think master shapeshifter is a step in the right direction. Trade off 3% throughput for a massive mana recovery tool. Also I dunno what to say about burst throughput, the druid one is one of the worse offenders, verdancy treant dump kind of doubles down on a lot of the big issues with dungeon druid and will probably result in yet another bfa-SL cycle of nerfing mastery into oblivion before buffing it again (lust+3x treant+tree form (5 treants total)+flourish+pot+cookie+7 mastery stacks) I'd say the biggest offender is the fact that 2 dps literally babysat themselves through it with blaze+defy fate+netherwalk. Granted I don't really like the whole druid in dungeons does infinite hps to 2 targets and 3 other party members cope that is df dungeon druid anyways. And a shaman pulling roughly 4-8x normal throughput for 15 seconds by dumping all his cooldowns really doesn't seem that extreme. Maybe hp bars really just are too small....

It feels bad that the raids this tier felt like you need 3.5 healers for 20man groups. It's in a weird spot where you really want to just 3 heal mythic to make the game enjoyable, but losing 1-2 healing cds becomes the difference of a wipe. Like the 4th healer could just stand around the whole fight, and only pop their CD's in the dire portion of the fight and that's all you need from them.

Before getting into DF the last time I played was when TBC and LK were live, so correct me if I’m wrong. I’m playing a holy paladin, ilvl 464 and running mid teens in mythic +. I feel like nothing I do except my large cooldowns makes any difference which is unbelievably frustrating, I feel like I can’t handle consecutive burst damage and only have 1 dispel that most runs and bosses I’m using on CD is stupid. But I don’t feel like I have mana issues. Maybe I’m not using my class the most optimized way? I’m still figuring that out. I will however say that I absolutely despise throwing every heal and CD I have at a raid and the meter is only showing 60k when I know I’m outputting closer to 100k. It’s all basically overheating, which I get but isn’t fair for any healer not topping the chart. Like you were saying it’s like I shouldn’t even be there. I do however don’t think healing is vastly OP and I’m having a lot of fun learning and doing it, maybe that’s just cause I’m newer to this current content

I have mained a resto shaman since the beginning of the game and agree that it is in probably the best spot it has been all expac. I also have a holy priest that I keep up on and I was doing blue/green parses using the available rotation guides. The rotation with PoH makes sense logically with our 4 piece and talents, but something seems to be off about it. I know holy priest is considered bottom of barrel currently, so I changed up my rotation to be more single target specific with PoH used rarely. Now I am parsing purple and orange and not running out of mana like before. I was either beating or keeping up with other healers who were over 10 ilvls above my 468 when I was last heals just two days before with the same raid group. I also have a baby priest who is 438 and she beat a 476 mist weaver in raid using this rotation. So I am not sure what it is since I was going with all the guides before and doing poorly and now it is a noticeable improvement with just rotation changes.

Playing Monk the last couple expansions has lent perfect perspective on this issue, since we were behind the curve. In Shadowlands they added the Celestial CDs as baseline, then they more than doubled Revival healing with a few changes, then they added shields from Celestial, and they made Celestials a one-minute CD with talents, AND they added Sheilun's Gift, THEN they made it heal more targets.... Like, it's so obvious that they were converting Mistweaver into this botched modern design where the primary "skill expression" for healers is cycling/stacking CDs at the right time.

Great video! As a Holy Paladin I completely agree with your points about Holy Shock, and agree with everything else too.

What’s interesting is that because healing is almost never available - I don’t feel like a healer. I feel like a crappy DPS that gets blamed if people die. If healthbars could just sit low for a while man - let me go to work on them. Allow me to be a healer for 99% of the time. Take me to a time where my role isn’t so bastardized.

If you don't believe this, just make a tank alt, preferably a BDK and then run keys. I've been running on my BDK because of crest caps and I feel like I'm playing a different game. You can know every single dungeon and mechanic on a healer and it does not matter whatsoever, you NEED 4 piece, you NEED to master your class and you NEED to run certain talents, there is ZERO flexibility, I've tried, believe me! I tried healing without Adaptive Swarm, I tried without Verdancy, it's all a fail. PVE is so over tuned. They need to increase the stamina on the gear. Everything is so paper thin.

Hpal here a'd clearly, spot heal feels meh. I know in SL it was a bit over the top when you could have your wings and crit on WoG which instantly topped any non tank player and gave between 70 and 80% of hp to a tank. But now WoG feels like I am not doing much unless it crits. And even with crit on a tank, you still need 2-3 like that -_- And with 10.2 they increased mana consumption on everything it seems and even added mana cost to WoG which to me is an abomination. I watched a +20 where the hpal was healing normally and a boss that took like 3 mins emptied 80% of the mana. I know hpal didn't have much mana issues but to me you shouldn't go oom from a single dungeon boss. I think the mana cost increase was justified but it needs to be removed from WoG, you already need holy power for this and it's not that strong since the start of DF

No nerfs. But yes there is overhealing on envokers and druids and shamans

Eh i wouldnt say "WAY" to powerful, but maybe like 25% to much defensive power and 25% healing CD to strong. Maybe you consider that way more, but to me some of the "fast" pushing a health bar up is fun. Just not ALL the time.

Healing has got easier every season as it does every expansion. I’ve found S3 very good so far. Get the odd bad group every now and then but that’s to be expected in pug life.

Druid isn’t even the graph you posted … that’s how bad they suck

You bring up reworks and honestly DPS feels the exact same, expect it's a fucking chasm. For instance, take Arms warrior (my main spec). Arms has the issue of having far, far too much rage and no good ways to spend it outside of mortal strike and the entire execute phase. In 10.05, arms got Ignore Pain back...and this was huge because it cost 40 rage and it was off the GCD, meaning it was now used as a dps button both to avoid overcapping and to fuel test of might and Anger Management (two talents that heavily incenstive spending rage)....well, in 10.2, blizzard, kinda rightfully so, decided that was kinda degenerate behavior and removed the interaction. But now, thanks to that, arms has the issue of basically having a completely bottomless, or "cosmetic" as some say, rage bar until execute, which feels horrible. Specs like arms have been left to the wayside and 10.2 genuinely made it feel even worse because now, well, we have no good ways to spend rage and rage management is literally more important as *FURY* compared to arms....the spec that's known for rage managment....And then you also have specs like BM and Havoc, who got a rework and now are 12-15% better then most other specs and do so much damage in a short amount of time in keys, specs like arms that take time to ramp up and need things to live....they get left to the wayside cuz things die within 20 seconds. I feel like blizzard are essentially picking favorites based on reworks across the board and whatever class gets reworked suddenly becomes overpowered as shit. Ret, BM, Havoc, Disc, Mistweaver, shadow priest, all of them have had their overpowered moments now and that just feels bad when just because the devs realized a class needs attention, suddenly it becomes 10% ahead of almost evrey other spec in the game to the point where you can almost guess what class is going to do good based on whatever got the most signicant changes. Please do not do this. We do not need balancing to become a game of "well who got a rework?"

Great video! Hopefully Blizzard listens to your feedback because I feel like you're hitting the nail on the head here.

Woah this Theun guy is really hot and cute

They're never going to fix these problems because no one working there knows how. We have been subjected to a never ending cycle of balance patches which don't bring balance, and we are not even slowly approaching a balanced state. There is no reason to believe the future will bring any improvement.

im going to wear your skin if you keep making these

Thank goodness, otherwise I wouldn't be able to carry my

Not sure what blizz is to do. The best players think healing is to strong, the bad players think its to weak. When blizz balances for either one large sums of healers quit. As of right now the healer shortage is people saying it to hard, to much health rubberbanding. I say this as someone who can kinda afk heal 20 and up m+ on a 472 r druid so it seems chill.

From a non healer: How about we take health x 5 for players and reduce healoutput to 25-35% of the current value and make healer impossible to go oom. We don't change anything else. Damage from dungeons and raid stays the same. Of course % health healing will be adjusted for non tank specs. Yes mechanics that currently kill you, will no longer kill you. Instead it will take a tremendous amount of effort to get you back up to full.

Mana is dated and not fun to play around. It’s a restriction on your gameplay that no other role has to play around

I like mana management, the problem is the placement of the management talents are garbo. Blizzard might as well still be in beta when it comes to the design of these trees.

this video is rdru erasure

I've said this elsewhere but it bears repeating. I play MW and for at least a few expansions we have had mana issues. Everyone called a meme spec , rejected us from groups and generally treated us like crap. It's funny now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone wants to talk about the 'mana problem' and says mana tea is not fair. Well to bad, it's your turn.

Here before a bunch of crayon eating m+ mains pushing 24s or whatever tell you that they don't need to make healers weaker in order to fix the game

I'm confused, there's nothing wrong with healing. Who's the twitter poster? Is he solo healing mythic bosses? In what ways are healers OP. I don't feel OP, I feel balanced. Flourish needs to revert back, nerf was too much. And no resto druid in his right mind even uses Tranq in m+. Convoke is an unreliable healing spell and in m+ you seldom press it for healing. You used 1 vid of a guy doing something once as an example of how powerful rdruid is. Kinda stupid

I wouldn't get your hopes up. The fact they are (seemingly) keeping Faeline Stomp while WWs complained constantly about how much they hated the ability throughout DF proves the devs don't listen to player feedback or care about their preferences. The devs have their own vision for class design and balance, any overlap with anyone's personal preference is just coincidence.

Your talking about the top tier, of this game. go look at average Parces if your going to be posting about this the average player doesn't do this lol. your goign to ruin this game for the majority. #LETTHEGAMEBEFUN

Your so wrong . Your obv rerolling to pally or something . A lot of your info was wrong. Example the shammy healing was due to a healing bug with innervate being able to heal that much Druids are weakest it’s ever been EVER… Terrible video