finding out that guttermen are powered by prisoners of war sealed inside a casket and forcibly kept on the brink of death made the big blundering oafs far more horrifying than i expected them to be
The name of this song is dedicated to Guttermen. Guttermen themselves don't dream, but the humans inside them, who are constantly suffering being stuffed inside metal coffins, unable to move, kept alive by minimal life support, with metal pipes piercing their bodies, they probably dream only about eternal sleep and the only thing they want is to die. Update: guttermen do, in fact, dream of eternal sleep. Their lore got even darker
@@voltable yes, I know, but the original is "Do androids dream of electric sheep?" I explain why Hakita decided to change electric sheep to eternal sleep - because it's gutterman's song and guttermen have people in them who want to die
And the worst part is, that the Guttermen are in no way outside of humanities limits of cruelty. If blood worked as it does in ULTRAKILL in real life, we would see things like this in the world wars without a doubt.
I think it’s also about machines in general. Can we create something aware of death? Can we actually ever create something alive, aware, something that knows it’s going to die?
@@ultrafun2227humanity created guttermen to kill and butcher, but the song opens up the question, did they have a choice? If you were created by an inherently evil species to drain the blood of their own kind and fight a meaningless war, how would you feel? The song ponders if the robots were conscious or aware of what they were doing and would be disgusted of themselves or as heartless as they look?
God the distant gunshots and explosions at the end of this one are just kinda haunting. 7-2 uses the nightmarish spectacle of war to *incredible* effect.
@@maximeleninja4029 Probably not the actual reason, but my guess is that the enemies attacking each other is a reference to the violence against self. As opposed to uniting against V1, which if you've ever become marked for death in the final room of 7-3 you know they have a pretty good chance of succeeding, they instead fight amongst themselves. While that is violence against others, it is also a violence against the self because you are allowing by far the deadliest robot, V1, to kill you without even putting up a fight, instead attacking what should be your allies, ensuring the machines' destruction
@@maximeleninja4029 We know that Hell (which was proven to be a sentient entity in the P2 ARG) views what happens within itself as entertainment (in the same way the terminals consider the Cyber Grind entertainement) and is capable of teleporting husks and machines alike as well as locking doors to create fights for V1. Additionally, Hell appears to be more connected with V1 in the Violence layer (which is implied through the blank book in 7-4 written in red much like the text that is displayed on V1's screen at the first blood tree in 7-3), but that's not true for all machines, as the terminal before the chamber of Sisyphus in the Heresy layer has been corrupted (eg. the "have fun" or "as is you had a choice" parts) From this, we can theorize that Hell is capable of influencing the enemies in the Violence Layer to make them fight each other to recreate the Final War and thus entertain itself. Perhaps Hell's influence over those within it grows the deeper they go, but it may also depend on their power, as a supreme machine like V1 is only starting to be affected now.
@@lightoftheworld6578 If i recall corectly, the robots are trying to feed blood to the trees like v1 is. They read the sign at the start of the level and were doing what it says. Hakita mentioned something about this at least, i coult be wrong.
I deeply appreciate how, despite ULTRAKILL's more tongue in cheek tone, you didn't shy away from the tragedy of layer 7 in your music. Rather than sweep it under the rug you kept an excellent balance between maintaining ULTRAKILL's established tone and acknowledging just how horrible this all is.
@@2goober4uAfter getting the 'big boom' and returning to the rubble area, there's a gutterman accompanied by like 1-2 guttertanks and the gutterman doesn't have a coffin on it's back, presumably being the same gutterman that wrote the poem.
Well if the theory that the final war actually began in ww1, then it perfectly reflects the naive optimism of humanity of it being a quick but honorable war Oh how very wrong they were
Do robots dream of eternal sleep? When they fight, do they consider the possibility of death? Do they fear it? Were they programmed not to do so, or did they possibly even develop the awareness of their mortality themselves? 2-S implies V1 is aware of it. Are other machines? If so, why do they still fight? Is it truly the only way for them to survive? Or is it simply the only thing they've ever known? Needless to say I love this song.
@ProfessionalRalseiEnjoyer More than that, Mindflayers build purely cosmetic bodies which they value more than their own lives. Many machines copy the original Swordsmachine. Drones like shiny objects. While not quite confirmed, if many of the text pop-ups in the game are from V1, then that implies even it has a personality. Machines are, undeniably, alive.
@@LoserLilith Do you think that they're "alive" because they have a brain? The Earthmover has a brain, so maybe the true reason that machines need blood is because they have brains?
V2 does something that not even the demons and husks do, he runs, if V2 is capable of showing respect, pettiness and fear then the robots are pretty sentient
This layer was actually horrifying. Not only because of the jump scares but the themes and lore of the final war was horrible to learn about. Guttermen especially have a horrific story
The layer of violence is perfect when capturing the emotions of war. (also i believe the Guttermen are a Russian creation, not surprising something so horrifying yet so devastating as well comes from them)
@@mr.paragon1100what leads you to believe they are Russian? I have seen German writing on the GutterTANK, and thought that the Gutterman is also German.
@@joemama640 guttermen have russian lettering, and also it wouldn't really make sense for a country to design a counter for something made by their own country with the guttertanks
Jericho based the design round soviet machinery and similar old things. Plus, the usage of deserters is... pretty reminicent of Soviet Union, I'd say) And the accordion also reminds of it for some reason. It's definetly soviet, the 200 Year War started in 1900's, so it would be that
The Big Gutter Daddy is such a good enemy, since I have the knuckleblaster equipped for DPS and if I ever needed to launch a sentry at no stamina, but now there is an enemy that feels like it needs the knuckleblaster, even though you can get past them without it.
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"After he saw God he felt really good, for around a year. And then he felt really bad. Worse than he ever had before in his life. Because one day it came over him, he began to realize, that he was never going to see God again; he was going to live out his whole remaining life, decades, maybe fifty years, and see nothing but what he had always seen. What we see. He was worse off than if he hadn't seen God." My favorite PKD quote. Have fun and you did a great job on the music.
Philip K Dick. He wrote “Do androids dream of electric sheep?” Or as you might know it “Blade runner.” That quote is from a scanner darkly and it’s my favorite quote of all time. I figured it could be applicable to many things in this game so seeing PKD referenced in the title of this song led me to write my comment.
A scanner darkly is a book with a sympathetic view of people who are addicted to drugs(which was quite unusual for the 1960s when PKD was alive.) The man who saw god is a little bit of PKD as that man in the quote did a certain mixture of acid and other stuff to trip so hard he saw god. He was never able to achieve the same result and it ruined his life as he just kept doing drugs to either see god again or to kill himself to see him that way(guess which happened first.) PKDs had many friends who were drug addicts and he was a heavy user of amphetamines as well so later in his life when his schizophrenia started impacting his life giving him divine visions of god he put it in his books. At the end of “A scanner darkly” he lists where all his drug addicted friends are now in life. 15 were dead. PKD died of a stroke in 1982. A scanner darkly the last book he published while he was alive. Hope that helps!
Actually I take back what I said about it being uncommon to be sympathetic to drug users in the 60s-70s. Pre war on drugs stuff and also they were less looked down upon due to rights movements and hippies and stuff(I don’t know if the work hippies is offensive or not so sorry if it is.)
So I’m writing this on my phone andI can’t edit out the bad grammar, sorry about that. Anyways PKD was a sci-fi writer and I his works were really out there near the end of his life since it’s very likely he had schizophrenia. However he realized he couldn’t trust his own senses and that he was probably delusional and he wrote that into his books. Most of his books focus on unreliable narrators and he was able to write them really well because he had first hand experience with being unstable. I recommend a scanner darkly as it is one of the least insane books he wrote although it makes you feel insane while reading it. Ubik is good too along with android dreams(although it’s very different from the movies in terms of plot, the movies basically reuse some names and the killing robots thing.)
personally, what i think that the combat version of this song is trying to say, (due to its tone) is that once humanity made the gutterman, it was already too late update; the new book in 7-2 also confirms that yes, robots do dream of eternal sleep
Glad to see another reference to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", my favorite Vocaloid album is also called "Do Vocaloids Dream of Doomsday Birds?" (With my favorite song, named "Our 16bit warZ", which is kinda fitting too), very recommended.
To me this song sounds so tragic, but in a way that is so difficult to describe. There's a yearning sound for something out of reach but almost in a calm resigned way like it is just a dream and nothing more.
The final war lasted about 200 years. The Guttermen were created during the first stages. Meaning that the prisoners have been in excruciating pain for almost two centuries, maybe more if we count the great peace. This is simply horrifying.
remember, the final war was an arms race, meaning the Guttermen would have been outclassed by far more superior machines (like Guttertanks and other machines we haven't seen yet) so most likely Guttermen would have stopped production. (however, people could have still been the fuel source for later superior machines)
@@CelestialityRWThat didn't happen. In the terminal, it states that the reason why guttermen have live feul sources strapped to them is because at the time, scientists hadn't found a way to keep the blood inside the machines fresh. So the machines needed a never-ending supply of blood. Once they had found a way to keep blood fresh, prisoners of wars and deserters no longer had to be in eternal agony by getting stuffed into machines, which led to robots like the Guttertank.
"DAY 57 OF SERVING FOR MY COUNTRY" "The last couple of days have been quiet from the opposing combatants. Only a few troops have been sent into our front lines; they seem to be preparing something. What could that be? I have no clue, but it must be something like a vehicle with weapons attached to it. I have no idea, but it must be something that benefits them a lot in the fighting. Gonna have to cut this short; I think they're shelling us." *"Those aren't bombs."*
Agreed. It's just slow and sad in all the best ways. It sounds of despair, like the last cry of life escaping from a dying race, slowly drowned out by gunfire and thunderstorms
@@lightoftheworld6578it’s just relaxing and calm. Like it’s somber and depressing but not a bawl your eyes out depressing but more a quiet introspection depressing. It’s very subdued and calm but that somehow makes it more impactful to me. Then there’s the fact that I just really like free reed instruments.
You walk, somehow finding your way through the eternal maze, now in the climax, the core, of the 1st circle. Walking outside, there's war everywhere, bullets flying, machines wrecking havoc, there is no peace. As you go through the eternal chaos.. This feels different. That labyrinth felt.. Peacefully agonizing, but this... This is truly the heart of this circle, blood is spilling, the houses, the structures, they are all crumbling. What are we even fighting for? Why couldn't there be peace? But alas, you accept that there will never be peace in Hell.
I really like how the people who listened to siren song call of the dead when it first came out can tell this song is going to turn into that as the level progresses, having a similar melody and tempo.
I think that the darkest parts of this is that the guttermen are still alive. Which means, the HUMANS are still alive. Mankind is still alive, but only left trapped inside these beasts of machines, trapped in a welded coffin, only hearing the sounds of machine gun fire and heavy footsteps as their blood is slowly drained from their body. Mankind is dead. This is no longer man. This is subhuman. Another thing I like about this song... is that it just sounds like... defeat. Acceptance. The human inside has accepted this is their life now. What more can they do? Fighting back will only increase the pain. All that's left is only acceptance. The song sounds somber, like the end has come. This is the final stop for the poor soul inside the gutterman. Towards the end of the track, we hear muffled gunfire and various other war sounds, as the human wakes up from their sleep, to snap back to reality. This song is the embodiment of the defeat and acceptance of the guttermans victim that this is their new life.
they are in hell, those are fallen guttermen which hell decided to keep in their eternal prisons, and even took inspiration from to make their mannequins, unlike drones, swordsmachines and both v1 and v2, the guttermen did not reach hell, they are having their torment in hell
Love how this song brought up philosophical discussion about Ultrakill lore in certain comments' replies. For my two cents, the song almost feels dreamlike at first, and then it sort of wakes up. The accordion almost like someone screaming, percussion like hands frantically beating on a door. The people fueling Guttermen are not in there by their own will, and this song emphasizes that feeling. But then the song ends, and with it the Gutterman- and in turn, its fuel source- is finally put to sleep for good. That's some eerie shit.
what exactly in the Violence layer is cute to you?? Guttermen, that carry a coffin with a prisoner barely kept alive for fuel, Mannequins, that are similarily barely alive inspired by guttermen? is it the Earthmover, a mechanic mountain sith such raw power that it ended the war? Please tell me
The machine is very tired. It is eepy. The machine has had a very long day of splashing in blood and needs to take just a small sleeb. It eeby and neeby to sleeby. Mabchine sleeby and need bed by time. The machine is currently experiencing critical levels of being a sleevejy little thing and needs to go to beb. It is ver tired and needs to slep. Just a little sleejing time as a treat. Macshileline neebs to slek. Ver toired boio.Just a little thing. Machinininine needs its beaty sleep. Look at it go! It yawn bib cause it skeegy. Need to falafel asleep. Ni ni time. Good night, V1 the machine.
seeing the first enemy in this level and the weezer room in p-2 i'm gonna have to assume p-3 is gonna start with 10 guttermen the moment you walk out the door
ultrakill has the scariest lore ever, i always played the game normally and i actually never bothered myself to read the lore but i was in complete shock when i read the lore, all this time i thought i was playing with a robot that works on blood fuel but i never bothered to ask myself "who created this damn robot"
This song makes me so uncomfortable. It’s an uncanny feeling I can’t explain, it just doesn’t sit right with me. There’s something primal in it in that it tries to be a soft tune yet imposes a lurking, underlying maliciousness. It feels so unnatural, and I’m guessing that was the intention. It’s masterfully done. Very rarely do I hear a song that makes me feel something so intensely.
Are you trying to escape? Things have changed since the last time you left the building. What's going on out there will make you wish you were back in here...
I love the implications that the robots may dream of eternal sleep. I see it as "do robots dream of eternal sleep" phase 1 is the robots dreams maybe in storage after a battle and phase 2 is where they're fighting the whole time in the back of their "minds" is maybe its good if i don't make it out but they keep fighting because its all they can do its all they were made to do. Just like the earth movers reach to the sky before shutting down, perhaps these bots dream of the end of no longer being pulled by their programming.
v1, and his seemingly outstretched wings, over a skull. very well spelling the doom of any demon, machine, or angel that bears witness to the grandeur of a machine, who was hoped to become obsolete as war died down.
I personally really like this song, I think what it reminds me the most of is the concept of shell shock/PTSD, more specifically the one thousand yard stare, in which someone is experiencing so much trauma and stress at once that they end up dissociating entirely. And wether intentional or not, I think this track captures that feeling very well. As the ambient track gives a feeling of detachment in a sense, almost as if the song was somewhat hollow. It’s clear that the stress of the situation is still there, as the music reaches a crescendo midway through, but even then the song never gets to that point of feeling a rush of adrenaline. Just a feeling of detachment and horror, as the song fades out into distant thunders and gunshots.
There's so many questions that come up because of this song and so little answers. A very hauntingly beautiful theme, perfect for the layer it is in, the level it is for, and the chaos it hints at near its end
Wait that weird piano in the beginning reminds me of the album Hakita made a while ago inspired by Angels and Early Internet stuff- it's cool as hell and I wonder if it's actually the same instrument that he used
I find it really cool how in the cover art for 7-2, the war level, V1 stands in the center, because V1 and all the other blood-fueled robots were made for war
The whole "Do robots dream of eternal sleep?" Makes you question on if robots can feel emotions if they taking sleep if they can dream, And that is why I like this song. ❤
Do robots dream of eternal sleep? Do they wish for this eternal war to end? Finally able to be put to rest, duty and purposed fulfilled? The answer, well..... Why don't you go see for yourself......
